People commenting on the first page without having read the previous posts.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Do you remember the forum rules guidelines? Of course you should keep that in mind - so just report the post to the moderators and let them get the post deleted for being off-topic or of zero value.

The second point of the forum rules: Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ

2. No off-topic posts.

Another who hasn't read or hasn't understood. The post I am referring to is not off-topic because it is responding to the subject of the thread, what happens is that his response is based on a falsehood that has been dismantled a few posts ago.

I think it won't take long for me to lock the thread because it's pathetic to see how in this very thread we have examples of the same thing.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I had locked this thread, but I thought I'd rather unlock it than create a new one. I just came across another example.

The number of Bitcoin and other crypto ATMs has kept increasing this year.

It is clear what the title means, isn't it? Let's look at the OP:

There was a notable decline in Bitcoin or crypto ATMs, with the worldwide count falling from 39,541 to 32,471 by July 2023. But it seems the tide is changing and there has been an increase in the establishment of more crypto ATMs. Currently, there are 38,279 crypto ATMs, indicating that 5,808 machines have been added over the past 11 months.

Just this year about 2,564 cryptocurrency ATMs have been installed which is above the 2,861 machines removed last year. Bitcoin Depot, Coinflip, and Athena Bitcoin are the major ATM operators and Australia seems to be the country with the fastest growth in Bitcoin installation. Other countries such as Spain, Poland, El Salvador, Poland, Germany, and Hong Kong are also experiencing an increase in Bitcoin installations.

Bitcoin ATM might have its shortcomings but its spread is showing that Bitcoin adoption is growing even in the face of stringent government policies.

Source
Source

I have bolded something that doesn't add up. 2.564 is not bigger than 2.861 obviously and it is something that nobody has commented on. But if you look at the first comment:

This will happen for now because of some reasons I want to highlight here.

1. Bitcoin transaction fee with using its ATM is high and many will rather consider the comfort from their mobile device than using the ATM machine for making a transaction.

2. We can also consider the adoption and regulations over bitcoin and crypto at large by some countries as one of the major determining factors hindering the demand for the use of bitcoin ATM as some may require government approval before installation and do on, but only for countries like El-Salvador and others where Bitcoin is being supported by the government may have increasing demands on the use of bitcoin ATM.

You haven't even heard what the title says or what the OP says, you probably looked at the first paragraph that talks only about the decline in 2023 and ran to write the rubbish. Of course, no one who has commented on the first page has called him out.

Business as usual, I suppose.

[Lucius]

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You haven't even heard what the title says or what the OP says, you probably looked at the first paragraph that talks only about the decline in 2023 and ran to write the rubbish. Of course, no one who has commented on the first page has called him out.

Business as usual, I suppose.

Does that mean that everyone who wrote a post in that thread are regular sig spammers? If you go looking for such illogicalities, you will find them in at least 30% (probably more) of the topics in the Bitcoin discussion and in other boards. I won't say that it's not problematic, but I focused more on the fight against plagiarism, AI and on low value topics in that board and I definitely missed this.

[Alone055]

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I can find and post hundreds of such illogicalities where users have commented on threads without even reading the OP, they read the title and write their response according to it and don't care what is written in the OP. The point is, what after that? We are only going to waste our time doing this because this isn't going to stop. We can't report such things to moderators because they are not completely off-topic, but the answers are just a bit illogical and don't completely match the OP or its context.

We can only correct or call out as many as we can, or simply ignore them and move on because I don't see any clear solution for this problem.

[_BlackStar]

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I can find and post hundreds of such illogicalities where users have commented on threads without even reading the OP, they read the title and write their response according to it and don't care what is written in the OP. The point is, what after that? We are only going to waste our time doing this because this isn't going to stop. We can't report such things to moderators because they are not completely off-topic, but the answers are just a bit illogical and don't completely match the OP or its context.

When you find someone who doesn't seem to have read what was written in the OP - then you can report it to the moderator. Your job is only to submit report and you can never decide whether it is worth deleting or ignoring. Regardless of what the moderator decides about the post you report - your job is only to report it.

We can only correct or call out as many as we can, or simply ignore them and move on because I don't see any clear solution for this problem.

Ignoring such users only solve your own problem - but you can find a solution if you report them to a moderator. If you intend to contribute - then take your share to report such posts and become to top reporter.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Does that mean that everyone who wrote a post in that thread are regular sig spammers? If you go looking for such illogicalities, you will find them in at least 30% (probably more) of the topics in the Bitcoin discussion and in other boards. I won't say that it's not problematic, but I focused more on the fight against plagiarism, AI and on low value topics in that board and I definitely missed this.

I was one of those who thought that as the forum is supposed to try to take care of the quality of the posts, at least the people who write on page 1 should read the OP carefully and the subsequent posts before writing theirs but I dismissed it as mission impossible a while ago.

When you find someone who doesn't seem to have read what was written in the OP - then you can report it to the moderator. Your job is only to submit report and you can never decide whether it is worth deleting or ignoring. Regardless of what the moderator decides about the post you report - your job is only to report it.

In any case, what I report is up to me. And as Alone055 says the problem is that in these cases they have skimmed through the text, so what they respond to has something to with the topic so they are not completely off topic.

[AVE5]

There are many posts where users go away from the topic of the first post and quote those who responded recently, allegedly maintaining the meaning of the conversation.

Sometimes, it's usually a fundamental course that the topic and the body of the thread doesn't tally to be understood by the user. At times, OP of a thread do actually make it complicated so some forum members do jump across replies reading in between lines until they finds a reply which is understandable to them and then quote on it with their own terms.

[Viscore]

It is the race to be on the first page of the thread since it is often the only page that is being read. I'm not sure if the campaign participants today are being mandated to be on the first page of the thread but I'm not gonna be surprised and advertisers would like that.

I think OPs of a thread are to lock the thread whenever it reaches a certain number of pages and his question is answered already. If anyone does have anything else to say, he can create another thread for his issue.

I guess as long as your post is on-topic, that will never get you into a problem. But personally, I also want to post on its first page so that my answer won't end up like a repetitive one on the posters that have post their ideas ahead of me. Nevertheless, OP should lock the thread as soon as he is satisfied with those varied answers coming from different posters. That way, there won't be a lot of repetitive answers that will only end up spamming the forum.

[mirakal]

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You haven't even heard what the title says or what the OP says, you probably looked at the first paragraph that talks only about the decline in 2023 and ran to write the rubbish. Of course, no one who has commented on the first page has called him out.

Business as usual, I suppose.

Does that mean that everyone who wrote a post in that thread are regular sig spammers? If you go looking for such illogicalities, you will find them in at least 30% (probably more) of the topics in the Bitcoin discussion and in other boards. I won't say that it's not problematic, but I focused more on the fight against plagiarism, AI and on low value topics in that board and I definitely missed this.

Well, spammers are actually a lot in the forum. But I think what OP's point here is to discourage the forum members from posting immediately without reading first those posts from prior pages. Or just prevent posting from those threads who have long pages already, otherwise everything you've post were already mentioned earlier, so you end up bringing back the same ideas and explanation again and again. The best solution is to lock the thread, OP should always monitor the thread he created.

[Solosanz]

I have bolded something that doesn't add up. 2.564 is not bigger than 2.861 obviously and it is something that nobody has commented on. But if you look at the first comment:

Didn't mean to defend the users who replied in that thread, but the @OP is also wrong since he didn't use his logic and hurry to make a thread.

It's a mistake, but I think not a big deal, moreover the forum is getting softer from year to year. Probably the thread would be locked instead of moved to trashcan.

However, I don't understand why people are replying to old post...

[lovesmayfamilis]

However, I don't understand why people are replying to old post...

I support. I received a notification yesterday, and I saw that my post, which was written in November, was quoted. Furthermore, I think that such behavior shows more than ever how much people do not read the very essence of the thread, do not think about the meaning of raising the topic, and are just in a hurry to fulfill their signature quota. And this seems to be another problem.

There are many posts where users go away from the topic of the first post and quote those who responded recently, allegedly maintaining the meaning of the conversation.

Sometimes, it's usually a fundamental course that the topic and the body of the thread doesn't tally to be understood by the user. At times, OP of a thread do actually make it complicated so some forum members do jump across replies reading in between lines until they finds a reply which is understandable to them and then quote on it with their own terms.

This user showed by his example what the majority does.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Didn't mean to defend the users who replied in that thread, but the @OP is also wrong since he didn't use his logic and hurry to make a thread.

It's a mistake, but I think not a big deal, moreover the forum is getting softer from year to year. Probably the thread would be locked instead of moved to trashcan.

However, I don't understand why people are replying to old post...

It's very easy, because you didn't read what I wrote before replying either, and this is another example of several in this very thread. At least in this case what is relevant is on page 3.

See this:

I had locked this thread, but I thought I'd rather unlock it than create a new one. I just came across another example. <...>

I'm going to lock it again, and this time for good. It's mission impossible.

[Fiatless]

I had locked this thread, but I thought I'd rather unlock it than create a new one. I just came across another example.

The number of Bitcoin and other crypto ATMs has kept increasing this year.

It is clear what the title means, isn't it? Let's look at the OP:

There was a notable decline in Bitcoin or crypto ATMs, with the worldwide count falling from 39,541 to 32,471 by July 2023. But it seems the tide is changing and there has been an increase in the establishment of more crypto ATMs. Currently, there are 38,279 crypto ATMs, indicating that 5,808 machines have been added over the past 11 months.

Just this year about 2,564 cryptocurrency ATMs have been installed which is above the 2,861 machines removed last year. Bitcoin Depot, Coinflip, and Athena Bitcoin are the major ATM operators and Australia seems to be the country with the fastest growth in Bitcoin installation. Other countries such as Spain, Poland, El Salvador, Poland, Germany, and Hong Kong are also experiencing an increase in Bitcoin installations.

Bitcoin ATM might have its shortcomings but its spread is showing that Bitcoin adoption is growing even in the face of stringent government policies.

Source
Source

I have bolded something that doesn't add up. 2.564 is not bigger than 2.861 obviously and it is something that nobody has commented on. But if you look at the first comment:

This was a mistake from me and I take responsibility for that. I have corrected the mistake on the original post. Maybe most people who commented on the thread didn't see the error because the message was clear and understandable. It would have been better if you corrected me on the thread so that other readers would get the correct information. Anyway, thank you for the heads-up.

I have bolded something that doesn't add up. 2.564 is not bigger than 2.861 obviously and it is something that nobody has commented on. But if you look at the first comment:

Didn't mean to defend the users who replied in that thread, but the @OP is also wrong since he didn't use his logic and hurry to make a thread.

It's a mistake, but I think not a big deal, moreover the forum is getting softer from year to year. Probably the thread would be locked instead of moved to trashcan.

The mistake was a slight one that shouldn't change the main thrust of the thread if read carefully. The thread was not also hurriedly created, it was just an oversight. Apologies.

[uchegod-21]

But not reading the first page, especially if the thread is only one page long is a cardinal sin.

I'm about to send a PM to the manager so he doesn't pay him for that post.

What do you think about this?

Let me air my opinion. We have been in this forum together and see how things happen. It is not right to respond to a post while still on the first page without reading through the conversation. But there are some exceptions.
Take for instance, OP created a poll or a similar thread requiring individual unbiased answers. Someone could just read the Op and it is enough to give their answers.
The essence of reading through people's replies before posting is to ensure you are not repeating what others have said and secondly to check if the context of discussion had changed on the way. So, in such posts like polls or something similar, one can just read only OP and still be correct to post. So, check the nature of the post you were referring to in OP before reporting to the campaign manager if necessary.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Didn't mean to defend the users who replied in that thread, but the @OP is also wrong since he didn't use his logic and hurry to make a thread.

It's a mistake, but I think not a big deal, moreover the forum is getting softer from year to year. Probably the thread would be locked instead of moved to trashcan.

However, I don't understand why people are replying to old post...

It's very easy, because you didn't read what I wrote before replying either, and this is another example of several in this very thread. At least in this case what is relevant is on page 3.

See this:

I had locked this thread, but I thought I'd rather unlock it than create a new one. I just came across another example. <...>

I'm going to lock it again, and this time for good. It's mission impossible.

You're right. Incurable.

But not reading the first page, especially if the thread is only one page long is a cardinal sin.

I'm about to send a PM to the manager so he doesn't pay him for that post.

What do you think about this?

Let me air my opinion. We have been in this forum together and see how things happen. It is not right to respond to a post while still on the first page without reading through the conversation. But there are some exceptions.
Take for instance, OP created a poll or a similar thread requiring individual unbiased answers. Someone could just read the Op and it is enough to give their answers.
The essence of reading through people's replies before posting is to ensure you are not repeating what others have said and secondly to check if the context of discussion had changed on the way. So, in such posts like polls or something similar, one can just read only OP and still be correct to post. So, check the nature of the post you were referring to in OP before reporting to the campaign manager if necessary.

[Smartvirus]

It is the race to be on the first page of the thread since it is often the only page that is being read. I'm not sure if the campaign participants today are being mandated to be on the first page of the thread but I'm not gonna be surprised and advertisers would like that.

I got to find out that was a thing after a user got caught and even had the guts to come defend to having being doing that and didn’t take much of ot since everyone else was doing it. Like, everyone else, I really wished the user got to list his colleagues in this act but, I didn’t care to ask at the time.
I don’t know the validity this gives to these accounts especially when your going to end up with an off-topic reply or would have the edit timer labeled on your comment just to ensure your the first to have made a comment on a thread.

Am sure with threads being created against these behaviors and posting habits, users are taking notes, most especially managers but, first page sampling is the desired by managers so, what do a few care. In essence, you do more harm to your account as an individual than you would to the campaign.

It doesn’t make sense to not read at least the OP and preceding comments or the continued discussions on a more recent page before commenting. You miss out on the trending at the time and you don’t get to add more knowledge to your library as you have it.

The essence of reading through people's replies before posting is to ensure you are not repeating what others have said and secondly to check if the context of discussion had changed on the way. So, in such posts like polls or something similar, one can just read only OP and still be correct to post. So, check the nature of the post you were referring to in OP before reporting to the campaign manager if necessary.

Why I might agree on some context to this, actions and inactions could do a lot of validation.
Like, if you’re only going to just vote in the polls and not comment, you could be absolute on your response which is validated on the vote cast. Meanwhile like you said, having to read through ensures you’re not making a lot of repetition but rather adds to what has been said, well yeah. That goes too and it obviously means, you still get to read the comments from other users. You get the sense of direction which the thread can’t conclusively give and follow up.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Of course, no one who has commented on the first page has called him out.

Well of course not, because not only do people not read the OP of a thread, they don't read any of the posts contained within it so they wouldn't even have noticed a douchebag like that and his nonsense.  And even if the average bitcointalk member did read the post, what incentive do they have to confront some random shitposter about his lack of etiquette?

You know, members here do need to be called out or even given a neutral tag when they're obviously writing crap and doing no reading whatsoever.  The problem with calling them out in a thread is that they probably won't even notice it, as they'll have rapidly moved on to make dozens of other nonsense posts in dozens of other threads.

This forum is only getting worse.

It is not right to respond to a post while still on the first page without reading through the conversation. But there are some exceptions.
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So, check the nature of the post you were referring to in OP before reporting to the campaign manager if necessary.

I'll be the first to admit I don't read any thread all the way through before replying.  It's not because I'm in a rush to make a signature campaign quota but because I'm usually just dropping my opinion and have come to expect most replies to be mediocre at best, with the majority of them containing very little thought.  I do read the OP in full about 90% of the time (lol) however. 

Ah, reporting a member to their campaign manager is a better idea than giving someone a neutral tag, especially since most managers wouldn't care about a neutral when considering an applicant.

[Ultegra134]

~Snipped~

I'm not sure why you're surprised, it's actually a relatively common occurrence, this, along with gravedigging old threads and replying to the starting post, instead of trying to keep up with the conversation in the last few pages. I locked two major topics of mine for this reason, people were either posting nonsense that had nothing to do with the topic itself, and other users were replying to the first spammer making a chain of spam posts that are irrelevant to the topic.

I wouldn't be surprised if the users you quoted were using AI or had copied their reply from somewhere else (plagiarism). People do a lot of dumb stuff to appear knowledgeable and show up in the first pages, making sure their reply isn't lost among many others.

[Wiwo]

I'm about to send a PM to the manager so he doesn't pay him for that post.

What do you think about this?

You do not need to message his manager for now. This is very common on this forum. Just start to be checking the first page, you will see other posts that will be saying what others have posted in the beginning of a thread. You can first message them and warn them. If they do not accept warning or still doing like that, then you can report the person to his campaign manager.

Send a pm to such member sound most appropriate to me, but while at that, it is important to also make use of the report to moderators features,  since such a comment is regarded as repeatation and could drain the thread and put us off the main topic of decisions.

So having it deleted by the moderator and warning the member through pm will help stop future occurrence of such posting patterns.

[Distinctin]

I have bolded something that doesn't add up. 2.564 is not bigger than 2.861 obviously and it is something that nobody has commented on. But if you look at the first comment:

Didn't mean to defend the users who replied in that thread, but the @OP is also wrong since he didn't use his logic and hurry to make a thread.

It's a mistake, but I think not a big deal, moreover the forum is getting softer from year to year. Probably the thread would be locked instead of moved to trashcan.

However, I don't understand why people are replying to old post...

Exactly my thought. Replying to old post who has probably answer the question a lot of times, is just a waste of time, unless if OP was still not satisfied with the previous answers then everyone is free to add their insights and ideas on the thread. But in all honesty, when you see threads having long pages already, that needs not to prolong the thread anymore but find new threads instead that have not been seen making good replies.