Mixing USDT

[virasog]

Well, we have enough information on this forum on how to mix the bitcoins and there are many good mixers also available / advertising on the forum.

USDT is the most widely used stablecoin but I never heard if anyone needed to mix the USDT to stop its traces and i never come across any service/ways to mix the USDT.

Any suggestions on USDT mixing are appreciated here. Looking for direct USDT mixing, i know converting to XMR and back will serve the purpose.

[mk4]

I couldn't really think of anything other than:

- swapping the USDT to ETH through Uniswap
- mix the ETH through Tornado Cash
- swap the ETH back to USDT

or if you just want privacy not from the authorities but just for retail tracking, then just use your preferred no-KYC centralized exchange.

[Darker45]

This is the first time I've heard of somebody who wishes to use a mixer for USDT. Mixer is for privacy. USDT is the opposite of privacy.

Anyway, I've searched a bit and read about The Crypto Mixer and also USDT-mixer-obfuscator.com. I haven't tried both, so this isn't a recommendation. I don't vouch for them. I can't even access both of them from my location. But you might want to learn more about these two USDT mixers.

But if conversion to XMR serves the same purpose, why the need for a mixer?

This isn't a Bitcoin discussion, by the way.

[dansus021]

I would recommend a tornado cash but  After the OFAC sanctions most RPC endpoints have censored deposits, make sure your wallet is manually configured to a working endpoint.

Yes you need to change the RPC endpoint on chainlist.org or you can use bridge app like https://wormhole.com/ by bridge your token your intially mixing your usdt.

and I dont think this is the right board for bitcoin discussion

[Apocollapse]

I mean, USDT wasn't built for privacy, so expecting a centralized coin or token to be used for privacy purpose is really wrong.

Are you want to become the next one of Tether's target? https://www.pymnts.com/cryptocurrency/2022/stablecoin-issuer-tether-freezes-1m-in-usdt/

We have an option to use BTC or XMR, there's no need to use other coin or token.

[OmegaStarScream]

I don't think there are any reputable mixers that exist for USDT, simply because USDT is way too centralized and your address could get frozen.

I'm guessing you're just trying to hide your balance from another individual? If so, then deposits/withdrawals to another address could serve the same purpose.

[zasad@]

I couldn't really think of anything other than:

- swapping the USDT to ETH through Uniswap
- mix the ETH through Tornado Cash
- swap the ETH back to USDT

or if you just want privacy not from the authorities but just for retail tracking, then just use your preferred no-KYC centralized exchange.

USDT is a centralized token and mixing it is sometimes pointless, because criminal tokens can be blocked.
If you use Tornado Cash, then your address will be marked as an address that uses prohibited mixers and, accordingly, all addresses for receiving and withdrawing funds will also be marked.

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Try eXch
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577207.0

But I would recommend using DAI because these tokens cannot be locked by the smart contract author.


Another way. You change your USDT (ERC 20) to
USDT (polygon), but indicate a different receiving address.
Then change back and indicate the desired address. This is not mixing, and specialists can easily figure out where the tokens were sent
https://rango.exchange/

[Synchronice]

Well, we have enough information on this forum on how to mix the bitcoins and there are many good mixers also available / advertising on the forum.

USDT is the most widely used stablecoin but I never heard if anyone needed to mix the USDT to stop its traces and i never come across any service/ways to mix the USDT.

USDT is the most widely used stablecoin in terms of storing fiat but in terms of transactions, USDT is not your best bet. People rarely make USDT to USDT transactions. There is not enough demand and it's not practical to mix USDTs, that's why USDT mixers don't exist. Bitcoin mixers exist because it's a very popular cryptocurrency. We call the rest of them altcoins, so, if anyone wants to use altcoins, they have Monero that doesn't need a mixer and offers the best possible privacy.

Any suggestions on USDT mixing are appreciated here. Looking for direct USDT mixing, i know converting to XMR and back will serve the purpose.

If I were you, I wouldn't use direct USDT mixers because if there exist any, they don't represent themselves on this forum and in case something goes wrong, you'll less likely be able to solve the issue and most likely the ones who exist, might be scam projects.

[digaran]

Nice to see when someone is asking how to launder money, people usually come in with their brilliant ideas, I wonder if you guys realize you are literally talking about different methods of money laundering on a public forum!
@OP, why do you need to mix USDT directly? Or some easier question, why are you using USDT, don't you know it's a centralized scam? So by using it you are contributing to that scam.

[Timelord2o67]

OKX has a double wallet - when you register you "create" a multi coin wallet (which you can then import into "trust"/"coinomi" wallet etc via passphrase) - essentially, you can then move those coins to the okx exchange and send from there (where they are part of a larger single wallet address) in effect the coins are "mixed".

You can send yourself any coin (not just USDT) direct to yourself via the OKX exchange wallet then withdraw to multiple addresses as well as your own wallet on the exchange.

e.g. send from three wallets to one OKX wallet, then withdraw to two wallets.  Essentially they are mixed.

[tabas]

Not gonna suggest something that could make you mix your USDT. But isn't it that the regulators are all eyes on mixers like in tornado cash and also the other mixers that we're having right now? At the same time, we all knew how Tether can freeze our funds. So what if instead of you successfully mix that USDT of yours, your address might be flagged for some reasons like money laundering? If you want to hide your privacy, it's just best to swap or convert that fund of yours into Monero which you already know.

[Apocollapse]

Nice to see when someone is asking how to launder money, people usually come in with their brilliant ideas, I wonder if you guys realize you are literally talking about different methods of money laundering on a public forum!

Bitcoin mixing is NOT money laundering, per se.

U.S. banks handled trillions of dollars in "suspicious" transactions, report says.

I only bring the real fact here, I won't listen to Bitcoin's competitors e.g. banks and governments.

OKX has a double wallet - when you register you "create" a multi coin wallet (which you can then import into "trust"/"coinomi" wallet etc via passphrase) - essentially, you can then move those coins to the okx exchange and send from there (where they are part of a larger single wallet address) in effect the coins are "mixed".

And you forget if OKX exchange has a mandatory KYC rule. I also skeptic whether OKX wallet is really non custodial and fully open source since there's a part in their github is closed source.

7.1 Account Registration and Identity Verification: in order to use any of the Services, you are required to provide accurate information for all fields on the registration page to verify your identity, along with affirming these Terms. By registering an account with OKX, You agree and represent that You will use the Account only for yourself, and not on behalf of any third party, unless approved by OKX. You agree to provide us with authentic information at registration and on an ongoing basis for the purposes of identity verification and the detection of money laundering, terrorist financing, fraud, or any other financial crime, including without limitation a copy of your government issued photo ID and evidence of residency such as a utility bill or bank statement. If any such information changes, it is your obligation to update such information as soon as possible.

[yhiaali3]

Personally I would never consider using a USDT mixing service, USDT mixing makes no sense at all because the concept of mixing conflicts with the concept of centralization.

The biggest risk in USDT is not privacy, but rather the possibility of freezing the balance by Tether because it is completely centralized and subject to the American authorities, so they can freeze your balance based on the government’s request, whether the balance is in the wallet or on central exchanges.

Why not consider decentralized stablecoins would be much better than using USDT mixing.

[Timelord2o67]

And you forget if OKX exchange has a mandatory KYC rule. I also skeptic whether OKX wallet is really non custodial and fully open source since there's a part in their github is closed source.

While I had failed to mention KYC (can't recall what I had to do to register other than create the wallet on my app) the principle remains of sending multiple transactions in moving them to the exchange's wallet then send from there to multiple wallets.  ^{(In reality, they wouldn't have to be USDT in or out - e.g. litecoin and doge in feathercoin, ether and usdC out)}

apps have the capacity for numerous wallets in app, so a person can have multiple bitcoin, USDT, ether wallet addresses and shift between wallets / exchanges at their leisure.

I've seen one betting site ( nitrogensports.eu ) will accept BTC, LTC, ETH, USDT/tether, usdC and binance and change them to BTC for betting and withdraw.  In essence they will buy your coins and change them (yeh, yeh KYC etc, but still a paper trail can go cold quite quickly - specifically if withdrawn BTC is sent direct to a mixer (or via a secondary in app multicoin wallet))


As ETFbitcoin pointed out, you only need a P2P instant exchange to shift coins from one in app wallet to a second as a different coin, then P2P to a third in app wallet back to the original coin type.

[noorman0]

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Any suggestions on USDT mixing are appreciated here. Looking for direct USDT mixing, i know converting to XMR and back will serve the purpose.

It's true that you shouldn't expect that USDT will allow it to be mixed up like privacy coins. Developers also don't want to take risks due to its centralized nature, any USDT suspected of having interacted with the mixing service will be frozen in turn.

[jrrsparkles]

AFAIK, there is no legitimate mixing service available for USDT and its pointless to mix a centralized token in the first place but for the record, there are many scam altcoin mixers exist and you will end up in one if you go with the google search results.

Just one of them: USDT Mixing and it's family of other coin scam attempt