Dear Timelord2067, was it really necessary?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

You're making an argument with a user that isn't even on DT currently so most will not even see the feedback. Sometimes I think you like the drama? Thick skin man, thick skin. Sometimes it's better to let it go.

Agree 100%.  Most DT members and others who fight scammers and various other scourges of our fair forum have plenty of negative feedback--retaliatory feedback, that is.  As long as it isn't from a DT member and so long as what's written in the feedback doesn't make a valid criticism, one ought not give it a second thought.  In fact, as long as you're not seeing the color of your trust under your avatar as red, I probably wouldn't even keep checking your trust page.  I used to do that years ago when I was new, but I stopped keeping track of who's left what feedback for me a long time ago.

And Royse777, I never had a problem with you personally as you know but others obviously have; if you think your reputation might in any way need some rehabilitation you probably should try to keep a low profile when it comes to issues like this one, which really isn't an issue at all.

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[dkbit98]

Here we go again, bitcointalk drama continues.  
I would not care so much about feedback from this member, he is well known for doing this, and I would just ignore him.
Opening new topic about this won't change anything Ryose, just sayin.

That's how the Trust system works.

Let me be perfectly honest and say that current DT system is creating more problems than doing anything good.
Prove me wrong.

[LoyceV]

Let me be perfectly honest and say that current DT system is creating more problems than doing anything good.
Prove me wrong.

In that case: just exclude DefaultTrust and set your Trust depth to 0. You'll only see feedback from the users on your own Trust list (which is currently empty).

[Timelord2067]

Democracy

Be honest for a change - this is hardly a Democracy with the current owner able to make changes at a whim without consolation (think removal of scammer tag or the introduction of merits) - the "employees" (paid or otherwise) are able to modify posts (e.g. merge two) or arbitrarily remove or nuke a user without consolation while one admin/mod will be unable to make a judgement call so leave for another who will (unban or act on a report).

In a true democracy all sides will sit down and discuss an issue, but what are you trying to do?  Silence anyone who has a view or opinion that differs from your own.


Democracy you say?

[dkbit98]

In that case: just exclude DefaultTrust and set your Trust depth to 0. You'll only see feedback from the users on your own Trust list (which is currently empty).

I might do that, unless you or someone else can give me some real arguments and examples how current DT system is making positive changes in forum.
There is a chance I could be wrong about this, so I am ready to listen.

[LoyceV]

I might do that, unless you or someone else can give me some real arguments and examples how current DT system is making positive changes in forum.

I don't really see the need to convince you. I'm okay with the current system, it's not perfect, and I sometimes don't like that my own Trust view is different from DT, but it works (more or less). If it doesn't work for you, that's totally fine too.

[examplens]

I might do that, unless you or someone else can give me some real arguments and examples how current DT system is making positive changes in forum.
There is a chance I could be wrong about this, so I am ready to listen.

I am sure of one thing, several members with good judgment insisted on leaving DT and that certainly did not improve the DT system, I would say the opposite. The current situation is as it is, ignoring it certainly does not help.


to stay on topic, Royce777, I don't see a reason for you to be upset that Timelord2067 renewed red feedback. In this way, you only give more importance to it, although his word has lost its importance. After all, other members have already suggested that you ignore the whole thing and move on, I agree with that position.

[dkbit98]

I am sure of one thing, several members with good judgment insisted on leaving DT and that certainly did not improve the DT system, I would say the opposite. The current situation is as it is, ignoring it certainly does not help.

Maybe they simply don't want to participate in bad Drama theater all the time.
Let me say that DT system is perfect for improving activity on Reputation board, and I have proposition to rename Reputation board to Drama board.
This is perfect place for waking up old flames and events that happened years ago, and we can all join or oppose this useless accusations.
Like any good drama series DT system will provide fuel for more and more pages/episodes of pointless discussions and arguments.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I am sure of one thing, several members with good judgment insisted on leaving DT and that certainly did not improve the DT system, I would say the opposite. The current situation is as it is, ignoring it certainly does not help.

Maybe they simply don't want to participate in bad Drama theater all the time.
Let me say that DT system is perfect for improving activity on Reputation board, and I have proposition to rename Reputation board to Drama board.
This is perfect place for waking up old flames and events that happened years ago, and we can all join or oppose this useless accusations.
Like any good drama series DT system will provide fuel for more and more pages/episodes of pointless discussions and arguments.

You mean there was no drama before? I'm sure when I registered there were already dramas around here and there was the old DT system.

[holydarkness]

I am sure of one thing, several members with good judgment insisted on leaving DT and that certainly did not improve the DT system, I would say the opposite. The current situation is as it is, ignoring it certainly does not help.

Maybe they simply don't want to participate in bad Drama theater all the time.
Let me say that DT system is perfect for improving activity on Reputation board, and I have proposition to rename Reputation board to Drama board.
This is perfect place for waking up old flames and events that happened years ago, and we can all join or oppose this useless accusations.
Like any good drama series DT system will provide fuel for more and more pages/episodes of pointless discussions and arguments.

One can simply be a DT and still ignore the bad drama theater all the time. They can shy themselves away from reputation board and still actively improving the quality of the forum by tagging scammers on marketplace, loan defaulters, scam projects, plagiarist, or hunting spammers on other boards. That activities doesn't make them involved in the DT politics.

[Timelord2067]

I couldn't have put it better myself, @holydarkness

[Timelord2067]

Democracy

Be honest for a change - this is hardly a Democracy with the current owner able to make changes at a whim without consolation (think removal of scammer tag or the introduction of merits) - the "employees" (paid or otherwise) are able to modify posts (e.g. merge two) or arbitrarily remove or nuke a user without consolation while one admin/mod will be unable to make a judgement call so leave for another who will (unban or act on a report).

In a true democracy all sides will sit down and discuss an issue, but what are you trying to do?  Silence anyone who has a view or opinion that differs from your own.


Democracy you say?

Well that didn't take long for you to post a contradictory statement...

Of course. Bitcointalk isn't a democracy:

theymos as our benevolent dictator

Unsurprising really given a couple of weeks ago you also said it's okay to lie in the forum... 🤨

[nutildah]

Well that didn't take long for you to post a contradictory statement...

He was not talking about the forum itself, he's talking about DT. And you edited his quote to leave out the "trying to be" part.

DT1 is (trying to be) a democracy. You can't step out of the democracy and still expect it to work.

Except for the randomness of who makes the cut each month - in addition to the blacklisting for obvious trust system abuse - it pretty much is a democracy. Everyone in DT1 (who are voted in by other members) has an equal vote on who else gets into DT1. Its not a perfect system, and neither is democracy itself... Its the worst system of government except for all of the others.