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December 15, 2023, 07:37:55 PM
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This is the simple way I'm able to control myself. Gambling is the last activity I do for the day, I make sure I'm done with everything of importance and all my tasks for the day have been fulfilled. I then deposit the amount I want to gamble with into the platform. I already know that on no account would I deposit twice into the account for a gambling session. As funny as it may sound, I time myself before I start gambling and I make sure not to spend more than three (3) hours in a gambling session. As soon as my alarm goes off, I stop and withdraw all leftovers in the platform to my main account and that  marks the end of a session. It was difficult to maintain in the first period, I had to ask one of my female friends who lives close and hates gambling to collect my phone anytime my alarm goes off and I'm still in the platform. I guess I got used to it gradually, and sometimes I tend to extend my time intentionally, but my performance now is more moderate than ever all thanks to my new found formula. I'll mention that I don't gamble everyday as a way to curb addiction

Even though this strategy you created is effective for you, it also shows that you play constantly, you probably play every day and that's not good, if you were only playing a few days a week and had a few weeks without playing then you would have a lot of self control to the point where you don't need to use this strategy you created. I don't play those gambling games that depend on luck for the person to win, but I once played them, although it's been a long time, I can still remember the day I played those casino games. At that time I realized that slot games can make people spend many hours playing without them realizing that they have been playing for a long time.

Things like 2 hours become little time for people who play gambling games that depend on luck, especially when people deposit money and start hitting large multipliers, people start to think that if they keep playing they will be able to hit more multipliers and as a result they will make a lot of money, but at the end of the day they lose everything. In my opinion, people need to not play every day, people need to have life in the real world too. only play on days when they have free time and have no other entertainment in the real world

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December 15, 2023, 08:14:54 PM
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In this case if I answer your question then the first answer will be first of all you should take gambling as only purpose of entertainment not for the main purpose is to be earning. Then I wanna say that set a limitation that can be a gambling budget for a days or for a week or month. Keep in mind that if you cross over this budget, you will have to stop gambling for the day.  Moreover, of course, gambling should not be greedy.

You’ve got a point. I think if you’re someone who gambles a considerable lot, it would be safer if you made a budget for your gambling activities and strive to keep to it. That’s the best way on how to comfortably manage your finances so you won’t go over indulging yourself with gambling activities.
Starting with a week and slowly increasing to two weeks to a month, the budget would get easier to stick to and discipline would then set in.
Greed for more money can also make someone play using money not budgeted for such activities.
Budget allocation would be always recommended or something that would really be that crucial specially when dealing up with gambling.If you do find yourself that being impulsive when it comes to spending then there's something wrong with you and this is something that should really be stopped completely if you are really that making that huge spending into your money.
Gambling is for fun but on the time that you are already doing things which arent supposed to be done then it would really be always better that you should stop.
Bankroll handling would really be that important and if you arent discipline then you are really that close to disaster, this is why you should really be that careful.

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December 15, 2023, 08:25:13 PM
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We typically consider victories "free money". Its not free. At most, it refunds past losses. Remember that gambling is a cycle of wins and losses. Considering winnings free cash? A slippery slope. It distorts our value perception. Now we're wagering more, risking our earnings and possibly our cash. Mindset issues arise from this habit. We must be responsible with all our resources, not just the winnings. The key? Self-control and awareness. We must break the cycle, think large, and control our urges. Thats the true game - not at the tables.
Good point, you need to be focused if you want to stay responsible. You pointed out that it's a cycle of wins and losses and also a balance with how you manage your bankrol. It's not easy as we might be when you are already on the table playing, or you are already picking your team to bet with your sport betting, there are many factors that you needed to consider as it will influence the outcome of your sessions.

Be sure to have everything in place before taking your step inside gambling, knowing the limitation and properly executing your plans and strategy will help you to stay in control and to keep your bank safe.
Being aware of the cyclical nature of wins and losses is a fundamental understanding in gambling, because the outcomes are unpredictable and it needs to have a strategic approach rather than relying solely on luck. The point on how important to maintain a balance in bankroll management is a keen awareness of the financial aspect of gambling. Responsible betting indeed involves allocating resources wisely and avoiding impulsive decisions that could lead to significant losses.

Many Factors need to be considered when placing bets that can include factors such as team statistics, players performance, injuries, weather conditions, and other variables that may influence the outcome of a game. Taking these factors into account enhances the decision-making process. The importance of preparation involves setting clear limits, understanding personal barriers, and having a prepared strategy in place. Those can enhance the chances of staying in control and safeguarding their bankrolls.

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December 15, 2023, 08:29:13 PM
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In this case if I answer your question then the first answer will be first of all you should take gambling as only purpose of entertainment not for the main purpose is to be earning. Then I wanna say that set a limitation that can be a gambling budget for a days or for a week or month. Keep in mind that if you cross over this budget, you will have to stop gambling for the day.  Moreover, of course, gambling should not be greedy.

You’ve got a point. I think if you’re someone who gambles a considerable lot, it would be safer if you made a budget for your gambling activities and strive to keep to it. That’s the best way on how to comfortably manage your finances so you won’t go over indulging yourself with gambling activities.
Starting with a week and slowly increasing to two weeks to a month, the budget would get easier to stick to and discipline would then set in.
Greed for more money can also make someone play using money not budgeted for such activities.
Budget allocation would be always recommended or something that would really be that crucial specially when dealing up with gambling.If you do find yourself that being impulsive when it comes to spending then there's something wrong with you and this is something that should really be stopped completely if you are really that making that huge spending into your money.
Gambling is for fun but on the time that you are already doing things which arent supposed to be done then it would really be always better that you should stop.
Bankroll handling would really be that important and if you arent discipline then you are really that close to disaster, this is why you should really be that careful.
Why not just have a fixed deposit to avoid you going a-wall with your gambling habit because sometimes we tend to forget ourselves when it comes to managing our bankroll. As a gambler, the one most important thing that's keeps your habit in check is the ability for you to actually manage your bankroll because the moment you have lost control of that then be sure you are definitely heading to a one way road that's very hard to come back from.

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December 17, 2023, 05:40:50 PM
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In this case if I answer your question then the first answer will be first of all you should take gambling as only purpose of entertainment not for the main purpose is to be earning. Then I wanna say that set a limitation that can be a gambling budget for a days or for a week or month. Keep in mind that if you cross over this budget, you will have to stop gambling for the day.  Moreover, of course, gambling should not be greedy.

You’ve got a point. I think if you’re someone who gambles a considerable lot, it would be safer if you made a budget for your gambling activities and strive to keep to it. That’s the best way on how to comfortably manage your finances so you won’t go over indulging yourself with gambling activities.
Starting with a week and slowly increasing to two weeks to a month, the budget would get easier to stick to and discipline would then set in.
Greed for more money can also make someone play using money not budgeted for such activities.
Budget allocation would be always recommended or something that would really be that crucial specially when dealing up with gambling.If you do find yourself that being impulsive when it comes to spending then there's something wrong with you and this is something that should really be stopped completely if you are really that making that huge spending into your money.
Gambling is for fun but on the time that you are already doing things which arent supposed to be done then it would really be always better that you should stop.
Bankroll handling would really be that important and if you arent discipline then you are really that close to disaster, this is why you should really be that careful.

If you want to stay responsible better to focus with your bankroll, both time and money are important but most of the time its the money that you are using that leads you to overstay inside the house, when you are losing there's a chance that instead of stopping you will add more money and keep trying to recover as quickly as possible.

Wrong move as you are just following how the house wanted you to use their services, if you got hook expect that you will suffer to more losing amount, you need to be very careful and you should stay with your plan.

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December 17, 2023, 06:42:04 PM
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Well being financially responsible when it comes to gambling is something that goes hand in hand with my work (finance), so it keeps me in check gambling wise ..but I can’t lie I’ve recently been playing a little roulette, and that actually kinda scares me as I really just don’t trust it being legit but two , can’t make it a habit. Besides that, I’m all good in this area.

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December 17, 2023, 06:47:02 PM
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Budget allocation would be always recommended or something that would really be that crucial specially when dealing up with gambling.If you do find yourself that being impulsive when it comes to spending then there's something wrong with you and this is something that should really be stopped completely if you are really that making that huge spending into your money.
Gambling is for fun but on the time that you are already doing things which arent supposed to be done then it would really be always better that you should stop.
Bankroll handling would really be that important and if you arent discipline then you are really that close to disaster, this is why you should really be that careful.

If you want to stay responsible better to focus with your bankroll, both time and money are important but most of the time its the money that you are using that leads you to overstay inside the house, when you are losing there's a chance that instead of stopping you will add more money and keep trying to recover as quickly as possible.

Wrong move as you are just following how the house wanted you to use their services, if you got hook expect that you will suffer to more losing amount, you need to be very careful and you should stay with your plan.
Financial management will greatly influence gambler attitude of responsibility and discipline in limiting themselves to certain time for each gambling activity they undertake.
By having good financial management, we can easily determine when to stop just based on the money that has been set.
And one more thing is that we have to accept all the losses that occur so that we don't really think about trying to recover them, then indirectly we will be able to manage our finances very well and of course we won't experience too big loss.

As much as possible, we must control the gambling activities we carry out, lest the madness of gambling control us.
The house edge always offers attractive opportunities and can make us do reckless things like going too far by adding capital to bets in the hope of winning big.
We must be able to understand that gambling is full of uncertainty and of course we must be able to truly be wise gamblers where when we decide to just have fun then do as expected at the start.
Don't be lulled by the desire to win big because in the future you will definitely not win but lose.

Failure to manage money is one of the reasons why many gamblers experience downturns and failure to manage money is also major factor in gamblers often making mistakes.

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December 18, 2023, 04:39:24 PM
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you need to be very careful and you should stay with your plan.
One should have a budget that they can afford to lose and some free time, and gamble without any plan or anything. Experiment with your gambling, drag odds up and down along with bet sizes, try to hit insane wins, try games that make you have fun and have a smile, and have a time filled with joy and fun instead of worry and tension, that's how you can have the best experience in gambling, you will feel great, and the best thing is, you will only be addicted to the fun and not gambling in general which means you can leave it if you find fun somewhere else.

So, I suggest that people just gamble without putting too much pressure on themselves and their minds, and instead of always having the thought of earning profit one should enjoy the games they are playing which isn't what most gamblers do and I think they do it the wrong way.

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December 18, 2023, 04:55:03 PM
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You’ve got a point. I think if you’re someone who gambles a considerable lot, it would be safer if you made a budget for your gambling activities and strive to keep to it. That’s the best way on how to comfortably manage your finances so you won’t go over indulging yourself with gambling activities.
Starting with a week and slowly increasing to two weeks to a month, the budget would get easier to stick to and discipline would then set in.
Greed for more money can also make someone play using money not budgeted for such activities.
Budget allocation would be always recommended or something that would really be that crucial specially when dealing up with gambling.If you do find yourself that being impulsive when it comes to spending then there's something wrong with you and this is something that should really be stopped completely if you are really that making that huge spending into your money.
Gambling is for fun but on the time that you are already doing things which arent supposed to be done then it would really be always better that you should stop.
Bankroll handling would really be that important and if you arent discipline then you are really that close to disaster, this is why you should really be that careful.

If you want to stay responsible better to focus with your bankroll, both time and money are important but most of the time its the money that you are using that leads you to overstay inside the house, when you are losing there's a chance that instead of stopping you will add more money and keep trying to recover as quickly as possible.

Wrong move as you are just following how the house wanted you to use their services, if you got hook expect that you will suffer to more losing amount, you need to be very careful and you should stay with your plan.

By putting an amount that will not be too big a problem for your finances if the final result is really losing, bankrol management is very important but in my opinion not only that, but at the same time you also need to have the right understanding of gambling, because of course your management will not be useful if you basically have an aggressive approach to gambling in the sense of always overdoing it in search of victory. The right understanding will be useful to minimize everything including not losing too much and reduce the attraction to stay longer and get carried away in the cycle because the right understanding will be able to push you to a good awareness.

Restoring the situation to break even I think most of the actions will only end up in vain, very unlikely because when you do a new session then obviously the situation will also return to the beginning which means between winning and losing, while the house always wins.


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December 19, 2023, 01:07:42 PM
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You’ve got a point. I think if you’re someone who gambles a considerable lot, it would be safer if you made a budget for your gambling activities and strive to keep to it. That’s the best way on how to comfortably manage your finances so you won’t go over indulging yourself with gambling activities.
Starting with a week and slowly increasing to two weeks to a month, the budget would get easier to stick to and discipline would then set in.
Greed for more money can also make someone play using money not budgeted for such activities.
Budget allocation would be always recommended or something that would really be that crucial specially when dealing up with gambling.If you do find yourself that being impulsive when it comes to spending then there's something wrong with you and this is something that should really be stopped completely if you are really that making that huge spending into your money.
Gambling is for fun but on the time that you are already doing things which arent supposed to be done then it would really be always better that you should stop.
Bankroll handling would really be that important and if you arent discipline then you are really that close to disaster, this is why you should really be that careful.

If you want to stay responsible better to focus with your bankroll, both time and money are important but most of the time its the money that you are using that leads you to overstay inside the house, when you are losing there's a chance that instead of stopping you will add more money and keep trying to recover as quickly as possible.

Wrong move as you are just following how the house wanted you to use their services, if you got hook expect that you will suffer to more losing amount, you need to be very careful and you should stay with your plan.

By putting an amount that will not be too big a problem for your finances if the final result is really losing, bankrol management is very important but in my opinion not only that, but at the same time you also need to have the right understanding of gambling, because of course your management will not be useful if you basically have an aggressive approach to gambling in the sense of always overdoing it in search of victory. The right understanding will be useful to minimize everything including not losing too much and reduce the attraction to stay longer and get carried away in the cycle because the right understanding will be able to push you to a good awareness.

Restoring the situation to break even I think most of the actions will only end up in vain, very unlikely because when you do a new session then obviously the situation will also return to the beginning which means between winning and losing, while the house always wins.



Yeah, right, having that good understanding of the game is also a factor. Apart from bankroll management, the selection of games that you're going to bet will have that influence on the outcome of your session. If you know well, then it can be a positive outcome. It can be an edge for you while doing well with your money management. I can say that the chance that you may bring out some earnings can possibly happen if you know what you are doing, and you understand how gambling works.

However, if you fail to win, with that understanding, it can save you from being aggressive and stop you from keeping adding more money from your bankroll.

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December 19, 2023, 04:41:15 PM
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If you want to stay responsible better to focus with your bankroll, both time and money are important but most of the time its the money that you are using that leads you to overstay inside the house, when you are losing there's a chance that instead of stopping you will add more money and keep trying to recover as quickly as possible.

Wrong move as you are just following how the house wanted you to use their services, if you got hook expect that you will suffer to more losing amount, you need to be very careful and you should stay with your plan.

By putting an amount that will not be too big a problem for your finances if the final result is really losing, bankrol management is very important but in my opinion not only that, but at the same time you also need to have the right understanding of gambling, because of course your management will not be useful if you basically have an aggressive approach to gambling in the sense of always overdoing it in search of victory. The right understanding will be useful to minimize everything including not losing too much and reduce the attraction to stay longer and get carried away in the cycle because the right understanding will be able to push you to a good awareness.

Restoring the situation to break even I think most of the actions will only end up in vain, very unlikely because when you do a new session then obviously the situation will also return to the beginning which means between winning and losing, while the house always wins.



Yeah, right, having that good understanding of the game is also a factor. Apart from bankroll management, the selection of games that you're going to bet will have that influence on the outcome of your session. If you know well, then it can be a positive outcome. It can be an edge for you while doing well with your money management. I can say that the chance that you may bring out some earnings can possibly happen if you know what you are doing, and you understand how gambling works.

However, if you fail to win, with that understanding, it can save you from being aggressive and stop you from keeping adding more money from your bankroll.

Yes, in conclusion, of course, it is not only bankroll management that is needed in this problem but also the management of a directed mindset and the right understanding, because I think that's the only thing that will be a big driver so that they can manage well and maximize.

For the problem of earning maybe I don't really agree with your assumptions and ideas, it's none other than because after all even though you have excellent planning, management and bankroll management it all refers only to a prevention so that you don't suffer too much defeat with large amounts, and not that way then you will be able to get a decent or definite income in gambling, for that matter it will still depend on how lucky you are in every session you bet. So don't misunderstand the odds, the right understanding and also with good bankroll management only refers or is useful to minimize the risk of losing and does not mean that you can get more wins with such an approach.

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December 19, 2023, 05:14:50 PM
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This is the simple way I'm able to control myself. Gambling is the last activity I do for the day, I make sure I'm done with everything of importance and all my tasks for the day have been fulfilled. I then deposit the amount I want to gamble with into the platform. I already know that on no account would I deposit twice into the account for a gambling session. As funny as it may sound, I time myself before I start gambling and I make sure not to spend more than three (3) hours in a gambling session. As soon as my alarm goes off, I stop and withdraw all leftovers in the platform to my main account and that  marks the end of a session. It was difficult to maintain in the first period, I had to ask one of my female friends who lives close and hates gambling to collect my phone anytime my alarm goes off and I'm still in the platform. I guess I got used to it gradually, and sometimes I tend to extend my time intentionally, but my performance now is more moderate than ever all thanks to my new found formula. I'll mention that I don't gamble everyday as a way to curb addiction

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December 22, 2023, 07:35:54 PM
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This is the simple way I'm able to control myself. Gambling is the last activity I do for the day, I make sure I'm done with everything of importance and all my tasks for the day have been fulfilled. I then deposit the amount I want to gamble with into the platform. I already know that on no account would I deposit twice into the account for a gambling session. As funny as it may sound, I time myself before I start gambling and I make sure not to spend more than three (3) hours in a gambling session. As soon as my alarm goes off, I stop and withdraw all leftovers in the platform to my main account and that  marks the end of a session. It was difficult to maintain in the first period, I had to ask one of my female friends who lives close and hates gambling to collect my phone anytime my alarm goes off and I'm still in the platform. I guess I got used to it gradually, and sometimes I tend to extend my time intentionally, but my performance now is more moderate than ever all thanks to my new found formula. I'll mention that I don't gamble everyday as a way to curb addiction

So you basically gamble everyday or every other day which makes you a step closer to becoming a gambling addict.
You deposit amount every time you gamble and then withdraw it, which makes you lose a lot on transaction fees.
You asked your female friends to take your phone which made you rely on third person for controlling yourself from gambling.
All these are red flags which you should tend to avoid.
They are obviously not on the best shape but it seems they are making progress and that is what it matters, as if they can keep reducing the time and the money they use to gamble then they will reach a point in which their gambling urges will be completely under their control, and they will forget about any possibility of developing a compulsion towards gambling as they eliminate those red flags too, and while they are doing a good job the next step is to find another hobby they also enjoy and which they can use to diminish the amount of time they gamble even more.

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December 22, 2023, 07:47:36 PM
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Could you please share some of your honest experiences here and how you became a disciplined gambler, particularly in managing your bankroll? What factors do you consider to be satisfied and to stick with the game plan all the time?

That required a long time experience being a gambler. Being a disciplined gambler can't be learned right away at the start even a newbie is prepared mentally because the actual pressure of gambling can only be felt at actual gambling and not beforehand.

I'm sure while a gambler engages in gambling regularly, they can learn to be responsible and disciplined gamblers along the way.

That's where the professional gamblers today, started their journey.
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December 22, 2023, 09:25:23 PM
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If you want to stay responsible better to focus with your bankroll, both time and money are important but most of the time its the money that you are using that leads you to overstay inside the house, when you are losing there's a chance that instead of stopping you will add more money and keep trying to recover as quickly as possible.

Wrong move as you are just following how the house wanted you to use their services, if you got hook expect that you will suffer to more losing amount, you need to be very careful and you should stay with your plan.

The responsible gamblers will look at the bank balance at every point in the gambling.The curse to the gambling is the gambler will have the habit of playing the game till his last dollars in the bank account.He should hold some dollars for their family and play the game with the balance money.Because it’s not easy to manage the family expenses till the next earnings arrived your bank account.After the complete loss,the gamblers should ready to earn more dollars in different way.If the gamblers try to keep some dollars with the disciplined game,he no need to worry for the loss or winning in the gambling site.

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December 22, 2023, 11:01:43 PM
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Could you please share some of your honest experiences here and how you became a disciplined gambler, particularly in managing your bankroll? What factors do you consider to be satisfied and to stick with the game plan all the time?

That required a long time experience being a gambler. Being a disciplined gambler can't be learned right away at the start even a newbie is prepared mentally because the actual pressure of gambling can only be felt at actual gambling and not beforehand.

I'm sure while a gambler engages in gambling regularly, they can learn to be responsible and disciplined gamblers along the way.

That's where the professional gamblers today, started their journey.
If those who gamble have applied discipline from the start of their gambling, they can become disciplined gamblers even though it takes time to become disciplined. But there is nothing wrong if a beginner continues to try to discipline himself in gambling so that it can help him manage his gambling expenses. It's just a matter of whether a gambler wants to learn to be responsible for his gambling activities, especially since it's all for his own good. No one will pay attention to him when gambling, and only he has to pay more attention to himself.

When they can discipline themselves in gambling, they will see that they can manage the money for gambling and don't need to use a lot of money to gamble immediately. They can even enjoy gambling games as something that provides fun. And they also don't think about chasing victory.
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December 23, 2023, 04:17:39 PM
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So you basically gamble everyday or every other day which makes you a step closer to becoming a gambling addict.
You deposit amount every time you gamble and then withdraw it, which makes you lose a lot on transaction fees.
You asked your female friends to take your phone which made you rely on third person for controlling yourself from gambling.
All these are red flags which you should tend to avoid.
Reducing gambling activities will indeed be able to help us avoid addiction in gambling and also we must be able to manage our emotions in the game that we play so as not to spend too much income we have for gambling activities that we play.
If we have the desire to reduce the gambling activity that we play, it will be very good if anyone can help us, especially the female friend, of course they will really help us, and it would be better we can avoid it before things we don't want to happen to us.

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December 23, 2023, 04:42:35 PM
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Yeah, right, having that good understanding of the game is also a factor. Apart from bankroll management, the selection of games that you're going to bet will have that influence on the outcome of your session.

Some gamblers don't actually know how to manage their bets through games selections, when we want to make this happen, then we need to learn about how we can achieve the maximum understanding about what we do, then study the various ways we can manage our bankroll.

However, if you fail to win, with that understanding, it can save you from being aggressive and stop you from keeping adding more money from your bankroll.

Gambling is not about funding our casino wallet always, we must developed a means to control our bankroll we will take a check on how we have been gambling from how we loose or win.

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December 23, 2023, 04:54:33 PM
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Gambling is not about funding our casino wallet always, we must developed a means to control our bankroll we will take a check on how we have been gambling from how we loose or win.

This can be done for mature gamblers with a lot of experience in casinos. because usually when gamblers don't have good control, when they enjoy the game too much they forget that they have to stop when they run out of credit in their account. the result is to add more deposits and it will get worse when the ambition is to recover the losses obtained.
If you don't want to continue to be in a bad condition, gamblers must learn from the experiences they have had. Gambling is not just about how much money we deposit to have fun.


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December 24, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
 #220

Yeah, right, having that good understanding of the game is also a factor. Apart from bankroll management, the selection of games that you're going to bet will have that influence on the outcome of your session.

Some gamblers don't actually know how to manage their bets through games selections, when we want to make this happen, then we need to learn about how we can achieve the maximum understanding about what we do, then study the various ways we can manage our bankroll.
In fact it easy, every gambler only needs to determine the money they can actually receive when they lose it and of course, once this has been done, they can deposit the specified amount of money into the gambling site to bet on, whether on sports or games.
How much money is deposited, if it is acceptable to lose, then we only need to set time to spend the money, if we want it to last longer then use the lowest bet and we can have fun for longer time.
But remember that this money is money that has been prepared to be lost so that when it runs out we have to stop and immediately leave the casino instead of depositing money again to recover the losses.
Obviously recovering from losses is not the correct attitude and action in money management.

However, if you fail to win, with that understanding, it can save you from being aggressive and stop you from keeping adding more money from your bankroll.

Gambling is not about funding our casino wallet always, we must developed a means to control our bankroll we will take a check on how we have been gambling from how we loose or win.
Well, I agree with your answer and it is true that as gamblers we must be able to develop ways to manage money and also learn how we win and lose.
That way we can become responsible gamblers and have quite lot of valuable experience from gambling.

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