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November 20, 2023, 02:05:12 PM
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There is an opinion that the greatest dependence on gambling is formed at the moment of a big win. The player understands that money can be earned LIKE THIS. This is a fairly common opinion.

But I believe that the greatest dependence on gambling appears at the moment of loss, when the player admits in his head the idea that he could earn so much. He is disappointed, but wants to recoup. It is at this moment that the desire comes to play again and again in order to return to the previous state.

What do you think about it?

I think there are different circumstances when a person become dependent on gambling.  I believe it is not only through winning and losing but also due to the state of the person's emotion.  Like during the time of stress and depression, people who find gambling as means of diverting their attention from their problem is another major reason why people get hooked in gambling and at the end become addicted to it.

There are certain studies and many articles and stories of people who become addicted of gambling because of running away from personal problem.  According to this article[1]  here are the triggers of gambling addiction:

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Many people who develop a gambling addiction are considered responsible and dependable people, but some factors can lead to a change in behavior.

These could include:

retirement
traumatic circumstances
job-related stress
emotional upheaval, such as depression or anxiety
loneliness
the presence of other addictions
environmental factors, such as friends or available opportunities




[1] https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/15929#triggers
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November 20, 2023, 02:27:32 PM
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The reality there's nothing like that, when a gambler is winning, he will lose since the more you gamble the more probability you will lose. Either the winner or loser is gamble with self control, the result will not change.

Every gamblers are used to face losses, but not every gamblers can comeback and beat their own feelings/emotions.

However, self-control can be exercised if someone has the strong feeling for it. everyone is agree if emotions are a difficult enemy to fight for ourselves. When we try to follow our emotions, we will continue playing until our money runs out for the day. Meanwhile, when we try to control ourselves, our emotions remind us of defeat and lead us to the desire to "play again for a while." This one opportunity can make emotions more bad when the person experiences another loss.

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November 20, 2023, 02:28:49 PM
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Gambler loses control because of various things that may not be in the game itself, like mental health, or circumstances when they play.
Chasing losses or earning money from gambling never triggers me to lose my self-control since I pretty much only see gambling as a game. As Gattuso said, "Sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit." So the moment they play gambling not for fun, but want to get rich, they will likely have that problem.

For me, I sometimes deposit more if I get rekt too quickly... For example, when I deposit $100 usually lasts forever, but sometimes it will only last one hour, if I'm not yet satisfied, then I probably will deposit more.

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November 20, 2023, 02:39:53 PM
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Winning or losing are two events that can make gambler lose control when gambling.
But it is bigger and it often happens that gambler loses control if they experience loss like you said, they lose certain amount of money and their emotional feelings increase so they cannot accept the loss until they try to recover it.
In conditions like this, gambler forgets the risk of forgetting limits and they are not aware that emotions have controlled them to continue fighting for victory in order to get back the amount of money they have lost.

There are quite lot of cases like this that have happened and been experienced by gamblers everywhere, in fact most of them even worse, have actually experienced financial ruin and all the wealth they had was lost in gambling.
It is very sad to hear that gambler has experienced ruin or bankruptcy just because of gambling, but all of this has consequences from the risks of gambling and they have to accept it.
Wonderful, you have a point, however, the winning and the losing time can control a gambler as you said and still, the most active time that controls the mindset if a gambler is when he or she is losing in gamble.
At the time of lose an addicted gambler or a new time gamblers will want to win, the gambler will be so dem desperate of winning. Although during the time of winning a lot of gamblers still continue gambling, but that is not a good idea, because as long as you have double you money then the best option is just to stop the gamble.

It is easy to lose while gambling but it is hard to win, I don't really know why it is so but that is what really happened, it might be because we put in mind all the time we gambled that we will win big or I don't know.
In my little gamble experience, I have observed that the most times I win is when I don't put in mind to win a dime, so sometimes I do try my best to stop thinking about money or winning when I want to gamble.

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November 20, 2023, 02:41:21 PM
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Those who want to chase defeat then it will lose more without us realizing by continuing to deposit a lot of money that is worse because uncontrolled they have no responsibility when they have lost at the beginning, but this is the addiction is still very difficult for those who have habits like this.

Lust, emotional so that's what must be kept sometimes we ourselves are difficult to hold it, I know how when you have deposited but the money has run out, while you want to be long in the game then nothing else we do is have to be disciplined because if you pursue defeat for recovery will feel very difficult.

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November 20, 2023, 02:59:28 PM
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I was playing uncontrollably just because my gambling buddy got a big win, while I didn't get it. At that time I played together with my friend through the same site, the same bet amount and the same game, it was just that our luck was different. The victory that my gambling friend got, this made me even more ambitious to continue the game, and continue to make deposits, even though my gambling friend had decided to stop for a moment and enjoy the victory. And my stupid thing, I borrowed money from my friend, so that I could make a deposit to continue the game to be able to get a bigger win, than what my gambling friend got.


And as a result, even though I continued to extend my playing time, I still could not get the victory. And in the end I resigned myself, and considered that gambling was not something that could be expected. But even though I didn't get a win, but there was something I got and that was the most valuable thing, because departing from that incident also made me a slicker player again by playing naturally.

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November 20, 2023, 03:05:05 PM
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That's the nature of gamblers and there is no one from whom they can take advice because greediness already took their heart. This is the result of wanting to have huge amounts of money fast and spending most of their time in the Casino. That's why you really need to know where to go or who to accompany because there's no doubt that they will eventually lead you to the place where they always hang out. In that case, if you are poor and don't have money better not to befriend someone who is addicted to gambling rather look for somebody else who can benefit you a lot when spending time with them.

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November 20, 2023, 03:12:09 PM
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For such subjects as this, my opinion will always remain the same, and that is that, gambling is an activity which anyone can participate in if they so wish, it is actually important for us to understand that, we all do not behave or react to situations the same way, it is commonly said that as our faces are different, so is our desires and wants.

The way I react to winning a big amount of money from gambling may not be exactly the same way another person will react, and so it is with losing a big amount of money as well.

For some people, winning a big amount of money may be the reason they continue to gamble even harder than before, because they believe that they can win even more, while for some others, winning a big amount of money may be the end of them ever gambling again, because they wouldn't want to lose a dime from that which they have won.

And it is also this same way to losers in gambling, some gamblers will lose a huge amount of money and decide to leave gambling forever, while some other people will lose a huge amount of money, and continue to gamble even harder in hopes of atleast, winning back that which they lost.

So, in conclusion, this completely depends on the gamblers attitude or believe of gambling.

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November 20, 2023, 03:15:42 PM
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If a gambler is winning most likely he may keep winning and even if he has lost control and start betting higher then it is to his advantage because he keeps making money.

So someone who is winning his bet is likely not to change his system indicative of being in control but a losing person continuously changes system, indicative of losing control.
The reality there's nothing like that, when a gambler is winning, he will lose since the more you gamble the more probability you will lose. Either the winner or loser is gamble with self control, the result will not change.

Every gamblers are used to face losses, but not every gamblers can comeback and beat their own feelings/emotions.

I have heard of lucky day in gambling. This especially happens when you are in offline gambling place and some gamblers kept winning and they believe that is happening probably because it is there lucky day. I have quite heard of lucky day in gambling so that is the point I was making that a gambler could continue gambling but would run away if that turns out the other way. I won't have big winning and at the end of the day I allow myself to lose it all and that is being in control of yourself.

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November 20, 2023, 03:23:55 PM
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There is an opinion that the greatest dependence on gambling is formed at the moment of a big win. The player understands that money can be earned LIKE THIS. This is a fairly common opinion.

But I believe that the greatest dependence on gambling appears at the moment of loss, when the player admits in his head the idea that he could earn so much. He is disappointed, but wants to recoup. It is at this moment that the desire comes to play again and again in order to return to the previous state.

What do you think about it?
The greatest dependence on gambling is actually activated at the point of a win. It doesn't matter whether is it a big win or a small win. Why, because at that point, all our happy emotions have kicked in and we are not thinking straight. We become very overconfident that we can win again if we bet again. And due to the fact that we want to keep experiencing the happy way we are feeling at the moment, as they call it the "thrill", we keep on gambling. This is the onset of gambling addiction.

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November 20, 2023, 03:27:23 PM
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When I was addicted, if I win I continue to gamble, if I lose, I still continue to gamble. Why? Because I want to earn money. That is the cause of the irresponsible gambling.

I was not also having gambling budget which was another mistake.

One of the worst time is the time of losses, you will continue to deposit into your gambling account and continue to lose. It even happens that some people will not have any money left and start to borrow money which is a very bad idea.

Gambling the budget solves this. Just 5% of weekly income is enough for gambling.
Not having a gambling budget could indeed have a grave impact on your total well-being as a gambler and that also is the beginning of possible addictions,  but then also we have to understand that there is a clear line difference between being a consistent heavy loser,  and being and addicts and in the case you explain it seems that you may not be a full ledge addicts but almost becoming one.

I commend you always for being able to beat the addiction and coming out 100% clean and with a lot of lessons learned in the process because we can attest to the fact that being excessive will only lead to losses so no gambler should ever attempt to do that at any point in time to avoid such loses as mentioned and even possible addictions.
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November 20, 2023, 03:29:24 PM
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The both ideas of gambling dependence is true but I believe the first idea is the most occurring and correct reason for dependence in gambling, the excitement that comes from using a small amount to make a win more than 12x the staked amount is something else. It gives the gambler hope of making more wins, even for some who claim to gamble for fun, before you'll know it, they've turned to aggressive and irresponsible gamblers. Only few gamblers with the experience of big wins tend to gamble responsible, even if they experience some terrible losses. Aside that when gamblers experience some losses the idea of playing more to rise to their previous state is quite tempting but it can not be compared to when a gambler makes big wins. Mind you, gambling dependence and irresponsible gambling are separate thing so don't get it twisted.
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November 20, 2023, 03:33:37 PM
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There is an opinion that the greatest dependence on gambling is formed at the moment of a big win. The player understands that money can be earned LIKE THIS. This is a fairly common opinion.

But I believe that the greatest dependence on gambling appears at the moment of loss, when the player admits in his head the idea that he could earn so much. He is disappointed, but wants to recoup. It is at this moment that the desire comes to play again and again in order to return to the previous state.

What do you think about it?

I think the answer is very relative, depending on each individual or the gamblers themselves. however, there is nothing wrong with what you said. It could be said, in general, many gamblers get trapped when they get high wins. The desire to do it again and again will affect our minds and psychology which is formed from dopamine. repeating victory after victory is something that makes us happy, especially as our experience increases, our level of getting higher wins will form by itself. Well, things like that are usually common problems and are our shared experience. So, gambling is complex and not just as you say. there are many reasons, assumptions, in every gambler.

But let's talk from your side, yes I agree that addiction to gambling can be triggered when we experience loss after loss. In most cases, our emotions are unconsciously involved to a greater extent, especially with the emotion of anger. things like this often make us lose control of ourselves. When the time comes when our money runs out, then we realize that we have been carried away by a condition of anger that causes us to lose self-control. and believe it or not, this experience will almost be experienced by most gamblers. for beginners, they will feel disappointment, depression and so on. For those who are familiar with gambling and understand it properly, this is part of the risk.

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November 20, 2023, 03:46:07 PM
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There is an opinion that the greatest dependence on gambling is formed at the moment of a big win. The player understands that money can be earned LIKE THIS. This is a fairly common opinion.

But I believe that the greatest dependence on gambling appears at the moment of loss, when the player admits in his head the idea that he could earn so much. He is disappointed, but wants to recoup. It is at this moment that the desire comes to play again and again in order to return to the previous state.

What do you think about it?
I think the gambler loses control when he notices money can be made easily, through a simple click on his smartphone or computer when gambling. This aspect is even more powerful than the fact he realizes it's possible to hit big winnings. It's not exactly about the prize size, but about the possibility of generating easy money through simple clicks, without doing any effort on the process, at anytime. It's an instant method of making money at first impression. Things he accepted that would take him years or decades to achieve financially now have the possibility of being achieved in few days or months. However, that is just a temporary effect of the excitement gambling creates on him. It's so intense that makes the person disconnect from reality for a while, having megalomania delusions.

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November 20, 2023, 03:49:07 PM
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There is an opinion that the greatest dependence on gambling is formed at the moment of a big win. The player understands that money can be earned LIKE THIS. This is a fairly common opinion.

But I believe that the greatest dependence on gambling appears at the moment of loss, when the player admits in his head the idea that he could earn so much. He is disappointed, but wants to recoup. It is at this moment that the desire comes to play again and again in order to return to the previous state.

What do you think about it?

The gambling win will bring back anything in your life,if you want to own the new company for the business.This was the possible by doing the gambling and the big win from the same gambling sites.The gambler who had trust the gambling sites will win one day in the same gambling sites.But the patience was the key for the success in the gambling sites,many gambler will leave the gambling sites after the small loss in the gambling sites.The gambler should not depend on the gambling sites,he need to considered the gambling sites as the entertainment.The lucky gambler will earn the profit from the gambling site,the bad luck gambler will o learn of the game of the gambling on every loss in the gambling sites.
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November 20, 2023, 03:56:18 PM
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The both ideas of gambling dependence is true but I believe the first idea is the most occurring and correct reason for dependence in gambling, the excitement that comes from using a small amount to make a win more than 12x the staked amount is something else. It gives the gambler hope of making more wins, even for some who claim to gamble for fun, before you'll know it, they've turned to aggressive and irresponsible gamblers. Only few gamblers with the experience of big wins tend to gamble responsible, even if they experience some terrible losses. Aside that when gamblers experience some losses the idea of playing more to rise to their previous state is quite tempting but it can not be compared to when a gambler makes big wins. Mind you, gambling dependence and irresponsible gambling are separate thing so don't get it twisted.

This is correct when you are just beginning on your gambling journey but this changes to the later idea when you already experience winning huge amount using small amount but later on lose everything. That time will make more focus on recovering your losses rather than being optimistic in winning big.

Casino will surely win in the using house so the more you play the more chance you lose that will make you end up on chasing losses rather than focusing on winning for the sole purpose of profit.

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November 20, 2023, 03:57:47 PM
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If a person addicted to gambling was a super genius who didn't lose any bet and was in profit, he still wouldn't stop playing, he would continue playing until he died or a relative forced him into a hospital for treatment. against addiction. In other words, addiction is a disease, it doesn't matter if the person is making a lot of profit, that person still won't stop playing because in that person's mind, winning or losing doesn't matter anymore, what that person wants is the feeling that feel when playing, this can be seen if casinos allowed the addict to play without putting money in

and at the same time, the casinos must also allow the addict not to win money, but he could play without putting money in, we would see that the addict would not stop playing, he would continue playing every day and for many hours. So if we ask the addict: what are they gaining by playing in a casino where they don't put money in and don't win money either? I believe that the addict's answer would be that he plays because he needs to play to continue feeling good and without playing he doesn't see what he will do with his life anymore. In other words, while for a normal person the day has 24 hours and in those 24 hours they need to do many important things, for the addict the day has 24 hours and in those 24 hours they have to stay playing all day, they even don't like going to work , at school and anywhere else, they just want to play

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November 20, 2023, 04:07:30 PM
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At the moment we win, we usually think that we can possibly win more if we continue gambling. It turns out that our mindset of winning builds strong rather than thinking that we can possibly lose. But yes, it changes everything after suffering losses and failure, and the purpose of why a gambler continues gambling at this time is to chase the money they've lost. In the end, we become a victim of our own actions from the wrong mindset and uncontrollable emotions. It can possibly happen to anyone, especially for newcomers and I believe this seems normal until we realize and correct it.



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November 20, 2023, 04:19:34 PM
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At the moment we win, we usually think that we can possibly win more if we continue gambling. It turns out that our mindset of winning builds strong rather than thinking that we can possibly lose. But yes, it changes everything after suffering losses and failure, and the purpose of why a gambler continues gambling at this time is to chase the money they've lost. In the end, we become a victim of our own actions from the wrong mindset and uncontrollable emotions. It can possibly happen to anyone, especially for newcomers and I believe this seems normal until we realize and correct it.
Have to agree with you, I believe it won't be wrong to say that no gambler comes into gambling with the right mindset about gambling, most new gamblers come in with the mindset of winning a lot of money and becoming a millionaire over night, but unfortunately, this is not how it is in gambling, some do get the new gamblers-luck and win a good amount of money at the very beginning of their gambling journey, but generally, gambling is not a get rich quick scheme, and so many new gamblers after realizing this stops gambling entirely, while some other who have lost good money try to see if they can recover that money, and from there, they become regular gamblers, and some even become addicts in the process.

This is exactly my story too, I came into gambling to make money and become rich, unfortunately, I realized this wasn't as easy as I thought it was, I tried to see if I could win some of the money I lost and the stop, but I kept winning little and losing more, the little wins made me believe that one day, I could win big, so I kept gambling, and till this day, I am still chasing that big winning.

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November 20, 2023, 04:29:15 PM
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There is an opinion that the greatest dependence on gambling is formed at the moment of a big win. The player understands that money can be earned LIKE THIS. This is a fairly common opinion.

When you've just started to gamble and you hit a jackpot that's the start of you getting hooked on gambling because your mindset shifted to easy money and you think that you can do it over and over again, I have seen so many gamblers gettign excited even after winning a small amount, for me, it's better for a newbie to lose in his first sessions so he'll have the idea that gambling is not easy money and its a luck base.

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But I believe that the greatest dependence on gambling appears at the moment of loss, when the player admits in his head the idea that he could earn so much. He is disappointed, but wants to recoup. It is at this moment that the desire comes to play again and again in order to return to the previous state.
I think it's the other way around the beginner will rather think that it's hard to win in gambling so he will manage his bankroll and take it easy on wagering to keep the session longer and enjoyable, I started this way so I know that there are more losses than winnings in gambling.


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