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November 20, 2023, 04:42:02 PM
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But yes, it changes everything after suffering losses and failure, and the purpose of why a gambler continues gambling at this time is to chase the money they've lost. In the end, we become a victim of our own actions from the wrong mindset and uncontrollable emotions. It can possibly happen to anyone, especially for newcomers and I believe this seems normal until we realize and correct it.

This is true on most gambler that is still an amateur level even long time of playing. It’s really dumb to think about chasing loss on your current game but it’s unavoidable for those who can’t let go because they are using money they can’t afford to lose.

Chasing losses especially if the loss happened from different time is a punishment when gambling because your mind will not be enjoying when playing. In able to win on gambling, You should be positive since the real prize in gambling is the entertainment you will get from it using your money. Thinking about losses while playing will surely make your mind not at ease.

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November 20, 2023, 04:48:39 PM
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Both factors affect gamblers.

Loses is the worst of it IMO. If a gambler is winning most likely he may keep winning and even if he has lost control and start betting higher then it is to his advantage because he keeps making money. Moreover if he later start to lose, he is likely to run off with the remaining profit with him, at this stage he has the control to guide himself but not when he is losing. Losing in gambling makes you take even more wrong decisions because you want to either try other pattern to see if you will be lucky which is significant of the confirmation that you have lost control.

So someone who is winning his bet is likely not to change his system indicative of being in control but a losing person continuously changes system, indicative of losing control.

How many times do you think a person would continue winning his bets in a role without losing. That's where the win and lose syndrome comes to play with the instinct of the gambler. In a situation where he wins and along the line loses then wins again. Would he have the self control to stop playing and go home. It's like a more interesting day. And along the line the system begin to bring losses to him. The decision he takes during this period can determine the outcome of what would be his gambling experience that day; joy or sadness. As it's rare to just win consecutively without losing. But, players can lose consecutively, without having any win. In such a situation, then I'd agree with you, because he'll gamble more to see a win. And he'll greedily expect to see a big win. Most times the house would trick him by giving him a big win equivalent to all he's lost that day. At that moment if the player has strong self control, he can stop and try next time. But, because he believes winning follows after winning, he'll continue playing with same thoughts that before his bank roll exhausts he'll get a bigger win. There the house can sweep all the funds leaving him with nothing. In my previous response, you'd notice that even if the winner doesn't have the self discipline to stop, he'll blow it up and end up playing like he's been losing. That's why I'd suggest that both factors are alike and we must not be carried away by one more than the other. Although losing can be worst than winning, in taking decisions. Yet it still depends on the player.

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November 20, 2023, 04:51:12 PM
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If you are gambling just for fun for sure you can still control or limit yourself whether you win or lose. But if you are aiming to profit, for sure both of the scenarios given by the OP would eventually end up in the same outcome. If you win, you have the mindset of you have extra winning money as a reason for you to keep gambling, but if you lose, you have the reason to continue by trying to recover your loss, which can lead to addiction cause it would be a cycle. Plus if you started gambling without having a plan such as stopping at a $100 loss or win, for sure you would keep continuing gambling, don't hesitate to take profit, cause isn't that your goal in gambling, is to earn money? Gamblers also tend to lose their control when one of the two starts to act for every round, which is their mental and emotional, you would be pressured to never stop as you can't control both.

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November 20, 2023, 04:53:26 PM
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I assume that with "control" in the terms of gambling and betting, you mean the hability a gambler has to step off their chair or log off their favorite online casino and accept loses, move on from it and do not continue for the rest of the day.

I believe it is actually a mixture of those things you have mentioned: for a gambler to lose control he only needs to realize he can indeed have the chance to win money (by having a significant win) after it happens, the gambler will likely continue to gamble, leading to loses, he may even lose all what he earned. In this position, the gambler cannot accept the reality of his losing money we could easily earn and withdraw (but did not because greed) and tries to recover some of this money through intensive gambling whatever how much money is left in their pocket.
It is a sad situation to be in, honestly, I hope neither of you will ever go through such a state of mind...

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November 20, 2023, 04:57:19 PM
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But yes, it changes everything after suffering losses and failure, and the purpose of why a gambler continues gambling at this time is to chase the money they've lost. In the end, we become a victim of our own actions from the wrong mindset and uncontrollable emotions. It can possibly happen to anyone, especially for newcomers and I believe this seems normal until we realize and correct it.

This is true on most gambler that is still an amateur level even long time of playing. It’s really dumb to think about chasing loss on your current game but it’s unavoidable for those who can’t let go because they are using money they can’t afford to lose.

Chasing losses especially if the loss happened from different time is a punishment when gambling because your mind will not be enjoying when playing. In able to win on gambling, You should be positive since the real prize in gambling is the entertainment you will get from it using your money. Thinking about losses while playing will surely make your mind not at ease.
One of the greatest mistake any gambler will make is to try to chase a particular direction,  that open them up to higher level of risk and for sure it doesn't matter which direction you are chasing whether be it winning or losing direction is important to avoid that mental state and take gambling for what it is which is for fun and a temporarily result and the inability to repeat it results this is what make gambling to be a risky venture.

Much more also,  the best form of practices as a gambler os to always try as much as possible to always take a break after every game time which most likely going to be the baseline for you escape from losing your money while trying to be overly relying on your ability to repeat the trends at some point in time.
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November 20, 2023, 04:57:51 PM
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At the moment we win, we usually think that we can possibly win more if we continue gambling. It turns out that our mindset of winning builds strong rather than thinking that we can possibly lose. But yes, it changes everything after suffering losses and failure, and the purpose of why a gambler continues gambling at this time is to chase the money they've lost. In the end, we become a victim of our own actions from the wrong mindset and uncontrollable emotions. It can possibly happen to anyone, especially for newcomers and I believe this seems normal until we realize and correct it.
Yes, I'm sure almost all gamblers have experienced what you mentioned, especially beginners, and I have also experienced it and it was a very valuable experience that will not be repeated in future bets.
And in my opinion, this is one of the casino's ways of getting gamblers addicted, so that they have a sense of curiosity that makes them continue playing when they win in the hope of getting their winnings back. In fact, that's when they were tested in terms of self-control. If it cannot be controlled it will always result in defeat due to loss of consciousness. So gamblers must be alert when this happens and try not to repeat it and must change the way they play with full awareness when playing again, so that they can control themselves when they win and stop and also stop when they experience several losses.

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November 20, 2023, 04:58:20 PM
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Once things are out of hand; losses are no longer tracked & the gambler himself is needing help in particular with financial aspect. A gambler should be aware of his financial capability whether to still continue gambling or not. losing control is simply losing awareness of what is happening with his/her gambling activity. Lack of control with factors affecting one's gambling behavior is simply a sign that one is already losing control. Being unaware of consequences in every bet is also a sign for sure.

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November 20, 2023, 05:05:43 PM
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Chasing losses is very common among gamblers, either old or new and this is happening because not all gamblers have a way of making money, they scope around for some money and go back to the casino, when people chases money this way just know that they don't have a lot going on in their lives, they are living hand to hand or it's also possible that they are making too less money.

If you are making too less money from your job you should be risking too less on gambling, $1 is something you should afford to lose but they won't, the reward that $1 will bring them won't be life changing, they are greedy and jobless at the same time.

You can love gambling or the sports games that you bet on but know that the games doesn't love you back, bet responsibly or not at all, this is the right way when gambling regardless of how much you are making.

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November 20, 2023, 05:17:48 PM
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Once things are out of hand; losses are no longer tracked & the gambler himself is needing help in particular with financial aspect. A gambler should be aware of his financial capability whether to still continue gambling or not. losing control is simply losing awareness of what is happening with his/her gambling activity. Lack of control with factors affecting one's gambling behavior is simply a sign that one is already losing control. Being unaware of consequences in every bet is also a sign for sure.

He will get into the big loss,because of doing the repeated bet on the gambling sites.This was caused because the gambler had get into the continuous loss in the gambling sites.Some gambling addicted person will do the random bet in the gambling sites because of the mental pressure caused by the gambling continuous loss.The continuous loss was not the permanent one in the gambling sites,this was the temporary one in the gambling sites.But the gambler had wronglyt understand the gambling sites and start to blame the gambling and started to create the thread to blame the gambling sites.But the same gambler was not doing the blame on the gambling sites when they made the big win in the gambling sites.The gambler play the gambling for the entainment and don't blame the gambling site for random loss.

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Chasing losses is very common among gamblers, either old or new and this is happening because not all gamblers have a way of making money, they scope around for some money and go back to the casino, when people chases money this way just know that they don't have a lot going on in their lives, they are living hand to hand or it's also possible that they are making too less money.

If you are making too less money from your job you should be risking too less on gambling, $1 is something you should afford to lose but they won't, the reward that $1 will bring them won't be life changing, they are greedy and jobless at the same time.

You can love gambling or the sports games that you bet on but know that the games doesn't love you back, bet responsibly or not at all, this is the right way when gambling regardless of how much you are making.

Such gamblers always find it difficult to be responsible gamblers. They spend most of their time trying to turn gambling into a full time job. By participating extra hours, gambling with the little money they've left. They'll go to gamble with borrowed money and when they're not winning, instead of halting the game, that's when the eagerness to gamble more erupts. Relating them with what Op has on his thread, you'd see that they're those that lose control when they're losing. Don't know if they'll be greedy enough not to take their win immediately they win. Because, it could a golden opportunity. As they're aware about the next result when they continue playing games. Most gamblers looking for quick money don't need to test another luck, after seeing a significant win. Maybe in their next gambling session, they can increase a little bit the amount of money to wager. The problem about such gamblers also include, causing harm to their family and society, by wasting resources. Since they have in mind from the onset that gambling is the only way of getting their daily bread. They can waste family money on gambling. I wonder if they don't care about feeding with the money, instead of trying to multiply the money in gambling. In a nutshell, your response, also contributes to the fact that in Op's question, it has to do with the situation of the gambler. Not everybody would lose control, when they're losing or vice versa. A responsible gambler, will definitely think about his decision, whether win or lose.

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November 20, 2023, 06:27:18 PM
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There is an opinion that the greatest dependence on gambling is formed at the moment of a big win. The player understands that money can be earned LIKE THIS. This is a fairly common opinion.

But I believe that the greatest dependence on gambling appears at the moment of loss, when the player admits in his head the idea that he could earn so much. He is disappointed, but wants to recoup. It is at this moment that the desire comes to play again and again in order to return to the previous state.

What do you think about it?
everything you say here is completely true, when someone loses gambling then the only thing on their mind is trying hard to recover the capital they have, accepting defeat when gambling is not easy, especially if your income is really low, that's why always set a budget in Every gambling activity you do, don't do anything stupid by using your savings or emergency money to continue gambling, you are just wasting your time because when you try hard to return your capital, then it will always be difficult to achieve success.

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There is an opinion that the greatest dependence on gambling is formed at the moment of a big win. The player understands that money can be earned LIKE THIS. This is a fairly common opinion.

But I believe that the greatest dependence on gambling appears at the moment of loss, when the player admits in his head the idea that he could earn so much. He is disappointed, but wants to recoup. It is at this moment that the desire comes to play again and again in order to return to the previous state.

What do you think about it?

I think for me, it's more on when you experience that losing streak and then you may want to comeback again and again and to recoup. So like in 2 days of gambling, well yeah, you win some, but it's not enough for you. So obviously, you will go back and try your luck again and see if you can comeback and win or continue with that losing streak. So naturally, we all know that the odds are not going to be in your side, the longer you play.

So you loses all control that you have, your decision is clouded and all you want to think is to play and chase and hope that you are going to win.

But definitely that will not be the case for the majority of us. As compare to winning, maybe you may stop for a day or two and just enjoy the money or maybe you can even think that you will not play again because it's very hard to replicate that success.

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Not only in gambling, I think anything that has winning and losses in it, we humans find it very difficult to overshadow the feelings of it to put under our control. We always intend to gamble more to our satisfaction or dissatisfaction as the case may be(winning or losses) until we find a reason not to again at the moment.

That's why you would find some gamblers desire to gain profits no matter how little it is from their gambling involvement for the day. So whenever moments of loss or wins begin to kick into their bets, they find it hard to resist it but have the urge to recover or bet more from their losses or wins which they end up losing badly than they are unexpected to because they want to recoup their losses or being greedy.

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Not only in gambling, I think anything that has winning and losses in it, we humans find it very difficult to overshadow the feelings of it to put under our control. We always intend to gamble more to our satisfaction or dissatisfaction as the case may be(winning or losses) until we find a reason not to again at the moment.

That's why you would find some gamblers desire to gain profits no matter how little it is from their gambling involvement for the day. So whenever moments of loss or wins begin to kick into their bets, they find it hard to resist it but have the urge to recover or bet more from their losses or wins which they end up losing badly than they are unexpected to because they want to recoup their losses or being greedy.
"Desire", "Greed" if those two combines then that's when gamblerd lose their control and beyond their limit and boundaries, desire as they gamble and earn some they will desire more and more because it gives them the thrill and excitement and also money of course, greed, even they earn some quite an amount they will want more hoping that they can double or triple it. Sad reality but that is the nature of humans, they tend to want more then what they get and what they need which we know where it will get them, as a result they could suffer or fortunate, but if they for instance become very luck it will not stop them from betting more as they have more money. That is something that we can't fix in humans, and of course, for gamblers, unless they fix it by themselves, the only thing that could stop them is themselves.

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I'd say it also comes on greatest losses. People will want to recoup whatever they lost on gambling platforms, which will push them to play more and spend more in hopes of getting back what was lost. They will lose self-control due to this drive, which is extremely unhealthy and not something that is recommended for anyone to do.

Winning big also influences people the same. They think that since it's easy to make money this way, they will just continue on this path and all is well. That's not the case unfortunately, and luck isn't always guaranteed when it comes to gambling. You may be enjoying a lot of money due to some wins today, but it isn't guaranteed that you'll be enjoying the same wins the next time.
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I'd say both really. It depends on what the mindset of a player is at the time of the win/loss. Most of the time, it adapts to a mindset where they should just continue since they can still win/win more, so really, it's more like both. A winner would gamble more since he's, well, a winner. He can win more, so why not? A loser will try to play more to win since he already lost, they'd think it can only go up from there no? Eh that's not really how math goes though.

But both mindsets come from a desiring/greedy mind. You wouldn't really entertain the idea of betting more even if you've already lost your entire monthly salary in one session if you weren't greedy really.

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There is an opinion that the greatest dependence on gambling is formed at the moment of a big win. The player understands that money can be earned LIKE THIS. This is a fairly common opinion.

But I believe that the greatest dependence on gambling appears at the moment of loss, when the player admits in his head the idea that he could earn so much. He is disappointed, but wants to recoup. It is at this moment that the desire comes to play again and again in order to return to the previous state.

What do you think about it?

The moment when the gambler get too over confident on himself in a particular bet he thinks is too sure to loose, another one is on the occasion whereby they have to borrow money for gambling because they can't afford to and yet miss the bet and loose the game, lastly is when a gambler is so addicted to gambling and have no priority for other things than gambling and yet they can't show any proof for it.

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I'd say it also comes on greatest losses. People will want to recoup whatever they lost on gambling platforms, which will push them to play more and spend more in hopes of getting back what was lost. They will lose self-control due to this drive, which is extremely unhealthy and not something that is recommended for anyone to do.

I highly agree, that gamblers often loss control when they start a revenge gambling.  That is when they don't mind about everything and want to show the house that they will be the winner at the end.  Control is loss when a player is too focus on chasing loses and chasing win  making them forget about everything and only focus on his aim.

Winning big also influences people the same. They think that since it's easy to make money this way, they will just continue on this path and all is well. That's not the case unfortunately, and luck isn't always guaranteed when it comes to gambling. You may be enjoying a lot of money due to some wins today, but it isn't guaranteed that you'll be enjoying the same wins the next time.

Everything in gambling when we lose the ability to make a sound decision is the time when the gambler loses control.

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November 20, 2023, 11:52:11 PM
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What do you think about it?
I think a gambler loses control of his or her gambling habits when they begin to look and give excuses for every time they choose to gamble irresponsibly. This excuses may small even without the gambler noticing, and become overwhelming that they play in the gamblers head whenever they are about to make a wrong gambling decision or have already made the decision.

When a gambler starts permitting these excuses, he or she is already loosing control.

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November 21, 2023, 01:08:14 AM
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If you are gambling just for fun for sure you can still control or limit yourself whether you win or lose. But if you are aiming to profit, for sure both of the scenarios given by the OP would eventually end up in the same outcome. If you win, you have the mindset of you have extra winning money as a reason for you to keep gambling, but if you lose, you have the reason to continue by trying to recover your loss, which can lead to addiction cause it would be a cycle. Plus if you started gambling without having a plan such as stopping at a $100 loss or win, for sure you would keep continuing gambling, don't hesitate to take profit, cause isn't that your goal in gambling, is to earn money? Gamblers also tend to lose their control when one of the two starts to act for every round, which is their mental and emotional, you would be pressured to never stop as you can't control both.
I agree with you that gambling itself depends on people playing it. If they feel satisfied with the results they have achieved they will immediately stop and take whatever profit they get, but if they are not satisfied and think they can win more then they will continue gambling until get satisfactory results but that doesn't mean they can stop immediately, they feel that luck is still on their side, so sometimes gamblers who are filled with joy after winning won't easily stop unless they can control it themselves.

while gamblers who are covered in losses try to recover their losses by carrying out gambling activities continuously hoping they can recover the money they have lost so in conclusion gambling has different purposes, they use gambling depending on what they get if they can control their gambling properly. well then events like "losing control" will be handled by themselves.

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