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November 22, 2023, 03:52:25 AM
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Chasing defeat is what makes it difficult for them to control themselves so they become addicted because they always think that if they keep doing it they will definitely get the results they want, indeed the saying once said "effort will not betray the results" so they continue to think that if they keep trying to chase defeat they will achieve victory. They shouldn't have thoughts like that because the concept is different, we can enjoy gambling happily if we don't think about winning and losing so that we can be more controlled in carrying out gambling activities comfortably.
Chasing losses can make gamblers lose control because they will think about their losses and need to be able to recover their losses. It wasn't good for him because with his emotions rising, he wouldn't be able to think clearly but would only want to recover his losses. He actually knows that this could pose a risk of losing more money but he doesn't seem to care about it because, with his increasing emotions, he just wants to get the money he lost by continuing to gamble. That is why a person must continue to practice self-control so that he can restrain himself from wanting to recover his losses and accept his defeat. If he loses at gambling today, he can still gamble again on another day, and maybe he can be luckier. But to recover his losses it would only make him lose self-control.

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November 22, 2023, 08:50:54 AM
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maybe some people have given a more precise answer, but from my assumption, winning or losing can encourage a gambler to continue betting to make a profit or restore the situation.

when a gambler gets a win he will be greedy and feel he will get bigger results than he got and that when he will lose control and continue betting but usually if he has won he usually not continue to get a winning streak he will even get a losing streak and trigger thoughts to chase defeat.
likewise, when a gambler experiences a losing streak, that when he thinks of chasing losses and making deposits to chase losses as I said above.

winning or losing can be an incentive to lose control but it all depends on the mindset of each gambler.

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November 22, 2023, 09:19:05 AM
 #103

There is an opinion that the greatest dependence on gambling is formed at the moment of a big win. The player understands that money can be earned LIKE THIS. This is a fairly common opinion.

But I believe that the greatest dependence on gambling appears at the moment of loss, when the player admits in his head the idea that he could earn so much. He is disappointed, but wants to recoup. It is at this moment that the desire comes to play again and again in order to return to the previous state.

What do you think about it?
Both results can make players become dependent on gambling, either when they win very big amounts of money or when they experience a big losses because both provide curiosity so that players find it difficult to stop.
When you lose, you feel curious about why you haven't gotten good results, you also feel like you need to recover the money you have lost, so you keep playing, and when you win, you feel the need to continue because you think it's your lucky time.
Gamblers who can control themselves well will stop when they feel the need to stop, regardless of the results they are getting, whether they are making a profit or vice versa, but those who cannot control themselves will feel the need to always play to get what they want, even when they have already got what they want will not immediately stop because he is still dissatisfied with his gambling.

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November 22, 2023, 01:08:31 PM
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When you do really put up yourself on the time that you are already that become addicted to gambling then it is really that safe to say that you are that someone who would most likely on losing up control on the time that you are playing gambling. Why? you are already that out of your sense specially when making up decisions specially with gambling. When you are already making
tons of losses but still you are deciding that would really be still playing then its a solid indication that you are already addicted to it on which this is really something that it is very bad.
You wouldnt really be able to assess whether its good or bad because you are already addicted to it on which you would really be always believing that you are really just that basically
doing just fine.
Yes, that's what happens to many gamblers, where they can't control themselves until they finally become addicted to gambling, and it's even worse than they imagined. It is true that when someone is addicted to gambling, they will not realize it and are still fine even though if other people saw it, they would think of them as a gambler with a serious gambling addiction. We will lose control when emotions provoke us because we have experienced many defeats. We can't imagine a gambler who can initially control themselves, and finally, after gambling often and experiencing more and more losses, they slowly lose control of themselves.

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November 22, 2023, 01:28:55 PM
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When you do really put up yourself on the time that you are already that become addicted to gambling then it is really that safe to say that you are that someone who would most likely on losing up control on the time that you are playing gambling. Why? you are already that out of your sense specially when making up decisions specially with gambling. When you are already making
tons of losses but still you are deciding that would really be still playing then its a solid indication that you are already addicted to it on which this is really something that it is very bad.
You wouldnt really be able to assess whether its good or bad because you are already addicted to it on which you would really be always believing that you are really just that basically
doing just fine.
Yes, that's what happens to many gamblers, where they can't control themselves until they finally become addicted to gambling, and it's even worse than they imagined. It is true that when someone is addicted to gambling, they will not realize it and are still fine even though if other people saw it, they would think of them as a gambler with a serious gambling addiction. We will lose control when emotions provoke us because we have experienced many defeats. We can't imagine a gambler who can initially control themselves, and finally, after gambling often and experiencing more and more losses, they slowly lose control of themselves.

That's why they say that ludoman is primarily characterized by the fact that he has to pay for relatives who are ready to endlessly pay loans and credits for him. But what is money for a ludoman? They have no meaning for him, they are just candy wrappers.
But I would like to note that any ludomaniac is curable if he knows how to empathize or who experiences shame or reflection.

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November 22, 2023, 01:50:38 PM
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Chasing defeat is what makes it difficult for them to control themselves so they become addicted because they always think that if they keep doing it they will definitely get the results they want, indeed the saying once said "effort will not betray the results" so they continue to think that if they keep trying to chase defeat they will achieve victory. They shouldn't have thoughts like that because the concept is different, we can enjoy gambling happily if we don't think about winning and losing so that we can be more controlled in carrying out gambling activities comfortably.
Chasing losses can make gamblers lose control because they will think about their losses and need to be able to recover their losses. It wasn't good for him because with his emotions rising, he wouldn't be able to think clearly but would only want to recover his losses. He actually knows that this could pose a risk of losing more money but he doesn't seem to care about it because, with his increasing emotions, he just wants to get the money he lost by continuing to gamble. That is why a person must continue to practice self-control so that he can restrain himself from wanting to recover his losses and accept his defeat. If he loses at gambling today, he can still gamble again on another day, and maybe he can be luckier. But to recover his losses it would only make him lose self-control.
The old 'chasing losses' routine! Serious gamblers consider it a rite of passage. Self-control loss? Friends, its game. Consider: whats a bet without an emotional ride? Gambling is unexpected, heart-pounding, and exciting. Self-control? Please. Not a monastery, but a casino. Riding the highs and lows is key. Accepting loss is for quitters. A true gambler knows the next big victory is imminent.

So he's confused? Good. Chess players overthink. Gambling requires gut instincts and some recklessness. The fun is there! Embrace turbulence, gamble, and who knows? Luck may smile upon you. Nobody talks about when they played it safe and went home.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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If you enter gambling out of desperation, it’s the same as simply throwing money into a burning fire. I will never go for such players. As for me, I bet on football matches to get a little fun and excitement in the game. It even brings a little joy, but not despair.

As well, gamblers who allow desperation to have a better part of them are those who gamble more than they can afford and so they try to chase back those loses. Gambling is not a source of income or living but a trier to multiply our bankroll so we can't afford to do gambling like all our lives depends on the winning for survival. Do a budget of the bankroll and when you exhaust it without winning then rest and play next time, this is the reasonable practice to gambling and that will not cause any gambler to be desparate but more people will get to that level if they keep depending on gambling to survive in this harsh economy.
Taking a break after a significant loss is smart, but reason can't always overcome our emotions. I would even say that almost never, this is the main idea of gambling. I know that some professional players who have been making money from gambling for many years (and we know very, very few of them) can continue to play even after a strong loss. Probably it was tilt, but this is what distinguishes a professional: this can happen to him no more than 3 times a year and he always says what he feels in order to understand whether tilt affects his decision-making or not. I stopped playing with high stakes because I know that I have no advantage with smart decisions over the gambling platform.

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November 22, 2023, 02:46:21 PM
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If you enter gambling out of desperation, it’s the same as simply throwing money into a burning fire. I will never go for such players. As for me, I bet on football matches to get a little fun and excitement in the game. It even brings a little joy, but not despair.

As well, gamblers who allow desperation to have a better part of them are those who gamble more than they can afford and so they try to chase back those loses. Gambling is not a source of income or living but a trier to multiply our bankroll so we can't afford to do gambling like all our lives depends on the winning for survival. Do a budget of the bankroll and when you exhaust it without winning then rest and play next time, this is the reasonable practice to gambling and that will not cause any gambler to be desparate but more people will get to that level if they keep depending on gambling to survive in this harsh economy.
Taking a break after a significant loss is smart, but reason can't always overcome our emotions. I would even say that almost never, this is the main idea of gambling. I know that some professional players who have been making money from gambling for many years (and we know very, very few of them) can continue to play even after a strong loss. Probably it was tilt, but this is what distinguishes a professional: this can happen to him no more than 3 times a year and he always says what he feels in order to understand whether tilt affects his decision-making or not. I stopped playing with high stakes because I know that I have no advantage with smart decisions over the gambling platform.

The fact is that not everyone can defeat their curiosity and their selfish feelings, indeed the best way is as you say that is to stop immediately when your gambling session is closed with defeat, but it is very difficult to do and maybe only some people can do it, because usually when you lose, your emotions will increase because the final result is not what you want, especially if you gamble with a large enough budget, and with that the curiosity is getting higher which is driven by uncontrolled emotions, which is why gamblers can lose more than what they originally budgeted, none other than because all the starting points of the problem are in the mindset that is too excessive in expectations.

In my opinion there are some significant differences between professional gamblers and novice gamblers, it is clear because in terms of how they play professional gamblers are more experienced and that means they will know better what to do and what to avoid in certain conditions, basically every gambler definitely wants to win but for those who are experienced they have ways to minimize the amount of loss one of which is by stopping when losing, they will not let emotions get the better of them, because of course if they let it then surely they will lose all control.

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November 22, 2023, 02:46:28 PM
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winning or losing can be an incentive to lose control but it all depends on the mindset of each gambler.
Yes, that's right, because mindset determines gamblers' behavior and how they play, whether gambling for entertainment and fun or seeking wealth or making gambling a source of permanent income, but when gambling doesn't have the right goal and mindset, it usually gets out of control, it's hard to determine where to go. which way we gamble, at least we have to know the purpose of why we have to gamble.

At least don't lose control when gambling because winning and losing are part of gambling, not something that should make your feelings go haywire, the point is to gamble responsibly and wisely so you can control yourself well when gambling because it is very important to be able to control yourself when gambling. while gambling.

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November 22, 2023, 03:09:22 PM
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There is an opinion that the greatest dependence on gambling is formed at the moment of a big win. The player understands that money can be earned LIKE THIS. This is a fairly common opinion.

But I believe that the greatest dependence on gambling appears at the moment of loss, when the player admits in his head the idea that he could earn so much. He is disappointed, but wants to recoup. It is at this moment that the desire comes to play again and again in order to return to the previous state.

What do you think about it?
I think that both factors influence the formation of gambling addiction. It's like a roller coaster - gambling then rapidly takes you up (positive stimulation due to winning or a big win), and then just as rapidly falls down (negative stimulation in the form of a desire to win back and return what you lost). This swinging swing is what creates a gaming addiction. There is no point in trying to separate one from the other, because both of these moments (both winning and losing) have an equal impact on the formation of this addiction in a gambler.

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November 22, 2023, 03:15:03 PM
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There is an opinion that the greatest dependence on gambling is formed at the moment of a big win. The player understands that money can be earned LIKE THIS. This is a fairly common opinion.

But I believe that the greatest dependence on gambling appears at the moment of loss, when the player admits in his head the idea that he could earn so much. He is disappointed, but wants to recoup. It is at this moment that the desire comes to play again and again to return to the previous state.

What do you think about it?

It depends on the gambler, some addictions start when in the early stage of their gambling they start winning big amounts and start to think this is easy money so they bet more extend their gambling hours, and try to establish a method either coming from tips from steamers or so-called gambling gurus and some started their addiction because of their loneliness and they find gambling as a relief from their boredom and loneliness.

Every experience is different for every gambler there are a lot of ways gamblers become addicted, but the most common is trying to make money because it is easy money because they've seen it on other gamblers, and they think they can duplicate it but unfortunately, luck is something hard to duplicate.

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November 22, 2023, 04:05:03 PM
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There is an opinion that the greatest dependence on gambling is formed at the moment of a big win. The player understands that money can be earned LIKE THIS. This is a fairly common opinion.
Unfortunately, people are caught up in something that is uncertain and even though most people understand that gambling is a condition of luck in producing a win.

But I believe that the greatest dependence on gambling appears at the moment of loss, when the player admits in his head the idea that he could earn so much. He is disappointed, but wants to recoup. It is at this moment that the desire comes to play again and again in order to return to the previous state.

What do you think about it?
Initially they will be given some kind of winnings at the start so that it makes people more interested in further gambling. After that, they will experience defeat which results in or forms a mindset to recover the defeat in the next gambling game. That's how addiction builds ideas in the human subconscious when gambling and unfortunately it is difficult to control when gambling becomes an activity that is carried out excessively.

It's no better and it's best to stop if you're not already addicted, unless you can be responsible for the money you use in gambling because when control is no longer stable that's where people will become more addicted.

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November 22, 2023, 05:26:58 PM
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If you enter gambling out of desperation, it’s the same as simply throwing money into a burning fire. I will never go for such players. As for me, I bet on football matches to get a little fun and excitement in the game. It even brings a little joy, but not despair.

As well, gamblers who allow desperation to have a better part of them are those who gamble more than they can afford and so they try to chase back those loses. Gambling is not a source of income or living but a trier to multiply our bankroll so we can't afford to do gambling like all our lives depends on the winning for survival. Do a budget of the bankroll and when you exhaust it without winning then rest and play next time, this is the reasonable practice to gambling and that will not cause any gambler to be desparate but more people will get to that level if they keep depending on gambling to survive in this harsh economy.
Taking a break after a significant loss is smart, but reason can't always overcome our emotions. I would even say that almost never, this is the main idea of gambling. I know that some professional players who have been making money from gambling for many years (and we know very, very few of them) can continue to play even after a strong loss. Probably it was tilt, but this is what distinguishes a professional: this can happen to him no more than 3 times a year and he always says what he feels in order to understand whether tilt affects his decision-making or not. I stopped playing with high stakes because I know that I have no advantage with smart decisions over the gambling platform.

Professional players continue playing due to their time limitation strategy. The number of losses can't change their decision to gamble for 5 hours. It's actually the difference and they can decide to reduce wagered amount. Not to fall for a pitiful loss. Which failure, can remove the concept of time limitation, and render little time frame for the player to enjoy his game. Chasing losses with huge amount of money, to gain back immediately a favorable win. Dwindles the money meant to last a duration of 5 hours. So, when we refuse to be controlled by the number of losses. We still have better hands over the gambling platform. As the house are two to three steps ahead of the player. Maintaining low wager is a game changing idea. The shabby trick, players fail to understand, despite being overused, is that the casino tend to give winning results with the little wager. It remains their familiar method of convincing the player, he could win better if he staked huge amount. Old methods used by the house still perfectly works, is the cunning and funny aspect of gambling. Any player who begins to monitor these known recurring methods, will definite outshine the house. But, as they devise their usual strategy, players childishly fall for them. Due to lack of attention, greed and being carried away. Even their emotional being don't remind them of the next action to take. Thereby leading the player to wager high amount. Once, the player understands those tricks, he'll see the displayed win as a trap. A pretty nice psychological way of swallowing the players funds. Hence, the player should calculate and think twice before making any move. Falling for the magic behind win or lose, isn't a right choice for any gambler. 

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November 22, 2023, 06:50:11 PM
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There is an opinion that the greatest dependence on gambling is formed at the moment of a big win. The player understands that money can be earned LIKE THIS. This is a fairly common opinion.

But I believe that the greatest dependence on gambling appears at the moment of loss, when the player admits in his head the idea that he could earn so much. He is disappointed, but wants to recoup. It is at this moment that the desire comes to play again and again in order to return to the previous state.

What do you think about it?
I think that both factors influence the formation of gambling addiction. It's like a roller coaster - gambling then rapidly takes you up (positive stimulation due to winning or a big win), and then just as rapidly falls down (negative stimulation in the form of a desire to win back and return what you lost). This swinging swing is what creates a gaming addiction. There is no point in trying to separate one from the other, because both of these moments (both winning and losing) have an equal impact on the formation of this addiction in a gambler.

Your statement is very precise and I agree with it, basically we cannot measure the percentage of the two factors as you mentioned above about which factor is more likely to allow gamblers to enter the addiction phase, I will not separate the two points above because they are exactly the same if we look at the impact of whether it allows addiction or not, but certainly no one point can be considered better, because basically in gambling if you win then you will be addicted and if you lose then you will be curious.

That is why they gamblers are always greedy when they get a win and never feel enough with what they have managed to get, instead of getting a bigger win but what happens is unexpected, yes all their initial winnings are back up and there is no other feeling they feel except regret. And also when they lose, they will be curious and continue to re-deposit with the intention as you mentioned above, like struggling to catch up with defeat with the aim of chasing a break-even point that never ends. So in essence there is nothing better they can do except trying to apply a lot of restrictions or even stop, that's better.

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November 22, 2023, 06:57:58 PM
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Many gamblers have many trigger point to be honest. But commonly it’s often seen that, after losing a large portion of the bankroll, the gamblers, losses control and go all in with the remaining balance to cover the losses. But at this point of time, they should have slowed a bit and could have analysed to bet further. But this is the time, it is often seen that you bet blindly without thinking the outcome. It’s very hard to control ourselves, when the hard earned money vanishes in seconds.

That is exactly what happens when losses have caused frustration. Most times gambling losses for someone who is an addict and doesn't control himself throws in all, that is desperation to get what has been lost.

Desperation is not a good element for gambling, someone that is showing such sign will keep losing because he has lost control for proper analysis and to continue or to stop at the main time.
Someone who loses a lot in gambling will never be capable anymore to think what is right and wrong. His only concern is to focus on chasing his losses so he can recover those lost money, and when his goal is not reached, that's the time that this gambler will eventually burst out out from frustration and stress. He gets desperate of the outcome he has been trying fix but still fail in the process. The reason why overspending in gambling is not good anymore as it can totally destruct a well-being.

However, there are still number of gamblers who still manage theirselves and still gain control when they are in state of losing. Those are the professional gamblers that have gained already various experiences in gambling that made them more flexible and stronger in gambling.
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November 22, 2023, 06:59:09 PM
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That is why they gamblers are always greedy when they get a win and never feel enough with what they have managed to get, instead of getting a bigger win but what happens is unexpected, yes all their initial winnings are back up and there is no other feeling they feel except regret. And also when they lose, they will be curious and continue to re-deposit with the intention as you mentioned above, like struggling to catch up with defeat with the aim of chasing a break-even point that never ends.
That's what chasing of losses is.

Most gamblers do that because they are looking at the part that they can make more money and if they're successful with that, they forget to secure their profits and do more as they think that there's so much more to do.

After that, when they lose everything and can't do that much anymore. That's where they realize that they should have never touched their profits and should have been contented on that when they're still on a winning streak.

So in essence there is nothing better they can do except trying to apply a lot of restrictions or even stop, that's better.
Even so, because those restrictions will be forgotten later on.

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November 22, 2023, 07:21:18 PM
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There is an opinion that the greatest dependence on gambling is formed at the moment of a big win. The player understands that money can be earned LIKE THIS. This is a fairly common opinion.

But I believe that the greatest dependence on gambling appears at the moment of loss, when the player admits in his head the idea that he could earn so much. He is disappointed, but wants to recoup. It is at this moment that the desire comes to play again and again in order to return to the previous state.

What do you think about it?

I think this happens when you were close to winning but didn't achieve it, for example when the last outcome in a multi-bet ruins it. This is a purely biological mechanism that forces you to try more, since the times when people hunted, the brain has become accustomed to giving strength for the last push (if the prey is close) so that a person achieves success. But now this is a trap that depletes gambling addicts.

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November 22, 2023, 08:18:27 PM
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There is an opinion that the greatest dependence on gambling is formed at the moment of a big win. The player understands that money can be earned LIKE THIS. This is a fairly common opinion.

But I believe that the greatest dependence on gambling appears at the moment of loss, when the player admits in his head the idea that he could earn so much. He is disappointed, but wants to recoup. It is at this moment that the desire comes to play again and again in order to return to the previous state.

What do you think about it?


A budget is really necessary when you gamble, because if you don't have it and you just keep chasing your losses, your money will really run out in that situation. Chasing your losses is a bad thing, you can get into debt or become addicted to gambling if you don't have self control.

I have been in that situation, I want to recover the money that I lost and after I recover it, I will stop but the opposite happened. Because of this thinking, my money just ran out that day and I also bet my car just to get my money back. I really regretted it.

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November 22, 2023, 10:20:36 PM
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Gambling addiction is a condition that usually occurs not after a win but after a high loss or losing several times in a row on a regular basis. In particular, in the two cases I mentioned the gambler generally begins to gamble more with the ambition of regaining the money he/she lost and as the loss increases the level of addiction increases accordingly.

We can see that especially people who make large winnings rarely become addicted to gambling because many gamblers don't spend it on gambling again when they make a large profitable profit. Of course, in some cases people who earn high amounts of money continue to gamble, thinking that it is that easy to earn money and unfortunately they may become addicted to gambling.

In addition to these two situations, we can see that gambling addiction occurs in some people with the ambition to make money. A person starts gambling with the aim of making a lot of money easily and becomes addicted to gambling due to his/her greed for profit.
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November 23, 2023, 05:13:46 AM
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There is an opinion that the greatest dependence on gambling is formed at the moment of a big win. The player understands that money can be earned LIKE THIS. This is a fairly common opinion.

But I believe that the greatest dependence on gambling appears at the moment of loss, when the player admits in his head the idea that he could earn so much. He is disappointed, but wants to recoup. It is at this moment that the desire comes to play again and again in order to return to the previous state.

What do you think about it?

I think in gambling an individuals losses his emotions and its normal because it is not possible that once you gamble then you will not be able to forget your loss and also if you win fortunately then will think to gambler once more to increase this amount. I never saw a person who will say that this present amount of money is enough for him because desires are developing day by day and never ends.

One way of reduction of addiction is that people should not use that amount again for gambling which he win and also should not spend money more than your budget. Gambler but not having bad addiction will gamble but not all the time but he gamble for just few hours in a day and will not increase this time ever.



 

 

 

 

 

 


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happen or be a part of it"

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