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Hamas was never supposed to launch such attack on Israel, to be honest. Did they believe it would end up well for them and the people in the Gaza strip? If they thought so, then they are simply idiots. Specially since they aimed at civilians, they exchanged the future and the life of thousands of innocent people in order to brag for a successful and short attack in Israel territory. To me, whoever was in charge of this attack had no sense of strategy or military actions in the long term. Unless Hamas expected Israel to get scared and surrender that attacked territory to Hamas? It would be pretty foolish to even consider that was a possibility. They have the support of USA...
This is a very sensitive matter for me because it involves the lives of innocent civilians who are being killed in a war where they are collateral damage. I don't like to take sides in a war, because in the end nobody really wins, as there are damages on either sides and the enmity can linger on for years. Having said that I believe that every country in this world owes it's citizens the right of protection, so if an external force attacks them in their territories, they have the right to defend and respond in equal terms. So on that I can not blame the IDF for responding to the killings and threats on their citizens, because if they don't greater calamity from the enemy can befall on them. Only it's very unfortunate that in the process of driving their enemies, innocent citizens of Palestine, are victims of their defense mechanism. I hope that the war will come to an end soon, because of the innocent lives that are lost.
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December 02, 2023, 10:22:23 PM |
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Don't be on the neutral side, you're only helping the oppressors which is clearly the IDF
Don't you think taking sides is what has dragged this war on for so long? If everybody had condemned violent acts from the beginning do you think this war would be on today? IDF attacks Palestine and Israelis and their supporters cheer. Hamas attacked Israel and Palestinians and their supporters cheered. And so the circle continues. Israel has been an oppressor for long and they've had support from a set of people and countries. Palestine has also had support from certain countries and people. That is why the war will never stop. I agree we shouldn't be neutral, when you're neutral it means you don't care, but we should condemn every violent and inhumane act committed by both parties. IDF has to right to do what it's doing in Palestine. We agree Palestine is the oppressed but because Palestine is the oppressed doesn't make it okay to kill Israelis because, at the end of the day, civilians will be victims.
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Having said that I believe that every country in this world owes it's citizens the right of protection, so if an external force attacks them in their territories, they have the right to defend and respond in equal terms. So on that I can not blame the IDF for responding to the killings and threats on their citizens, because if they don't greater calamity from the enemy can befall on them.
Palestinians aren't an "external force" in their own country that is currently occupied! That would be like saying "Russia has the right to defend itself inside Ukrainian soil that they occupy like Crimea"!!! Just like Russians have no right to be in the occupied lands in Ukraine, the Zionist regime calling itself Israel, doesn't have any right to even be in Palestine let alone use any force against the Palestinians (whether civilians or the armed forces defending them such as Hamas). In other words the Zionists are the "external force" that are occupying the Palestinian soil and killing people of Palestine. According to the international law and the United Nations charter nothing can impair the right of Palestinians from using any means necessary to fight against the invaders that are committing genocide in their lands. Be it in occupied Palestinian lands like Quds or the semi-occupied regions such as Gaza and West Bank.
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December 03, 2023, 06:13:11 PM |
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Finally there is some Ray of Hope for people of Gaza as Yemeni armed forces are capturing sea vessels belonging to Israel. They have till now 3 vessels in there custody. They recently released video of capturing seal vessels. It's also a matter of shame for KSA leaders that they are neutralising missiles fired from yemen towards Israel. Israel despite its so called strong army wasn't able to release its hostages by using force. There is a truce where 3 Palestinians were released for every 1 Israeli hostages. Its also shocking to see how satisfied and healthy Israeli hostages were while stories of Palestinians captives are unable to describe. If Arab countries like KSA want to accept Israel then they must demand something for Palestinians first. Accepting Israel just for there own gain will be big betrayal for Palestinians.
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December 03, 2023, 06:57:30 PM |
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It's funny that they're calling themselves defense forces. How are they Defending themselves in Palestine? I wonder what would the Jews say if someone entered their home, sat down in the middle of it waited? They'd most likely try to throw that person out and then the person would take out a gun, kill every attacker and say they were defending themselves. Israeli logic... I don't support Palestine either because you have to be insane to become a suicide bomber, or believe that there are virgins waiting for you in heaven, but let's not act like Israel is defending itself here.
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December 04, 2023, 12:54:23 AM |
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It's funny that they're calling themselves defense forces. How are they Defending themselves in Palestine? I wonder what would the Jews say if someone entered their home, sat down in the middle of it waited? They'd most likely try to throw that person out and then the person would take out a gun, kill every attacker and say they were defending themselves. Israeli logic... I don't support Palestine either because you have to be insane to become a suicide bomber, or believe that there are virgins waiting for you in heaven, but let's not act like Israel is defending itself here.
Though, you must admit that what Hamas did back in October does not help their case or the case of the Palestinian people right to have a place to call home. The Israel government can easily argue they are defending themselves from Hamas, by going after the members of that organization in the Gaza strip, actually it is an argument which has been accepted to much of the people who supports Israel in this unfortunate war. The name of a military organization or the mottos they use, in the end, may have little to do with the actual actions the carry out in the battle front, that is something I have personally learnt by studying the developments of the WW I. One must have a clear idea between the differences of Hamas and Palestine.
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December 04, 2023, 05:01:31 PM |
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IDF tortures innocent children in prisons.
Seems like they're terrorist confirmed.
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December 05, 2023, 12:47:45 AM |
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Lately I have seen some accounts on Twitter/X, which belong to people who seems to be mostly pro-Israel in some way. They have been implying heavily that those children and babies which appear to be victims of the bombings by the IDF in the Gaza strip are actually dolls which are imported from China to be used to misguide and fool the international media about the colateral damage of civilians and innocent children. Mostly, the replies to those accusations have been negative and people mostly lashes at them by calling them monsters and stuff like that.
To me, it is very creepy either way, the fact one cannot longer trust one's eyes (in the case the accusations are true) or the fact people who are pro Israel are willing to minimize the loss of life in such a disgusting way.
Has anyone of you have further information on those things? It has got me very concerned and curious since I read about it on Twitter/X.
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December 05, 2023, 07:22:43 AM |
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IDF tortures innocent children in prisons.
Seems like they're terrorist confirmed.
IDF activities is the same to terrorist no doubt, but sadly to say that they are attracted to bomb children and Women due to this is unexpected. IDF They can't give any reason why they are waging war, they are just killing common people., to call their activities terrorist.
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Why would you tag IDF that are fighting for there could terrorists when it is obvious that Hamas are responsible for this shits that is happening in Palestine. What I have noticed about this war is that, it look like the Palestinians support the operation of the Hamas that is why they allow them to plant ammunition and rocket launchers in their locality.
If the Palestinians never supported the Hamas, this war would have not started at all. Now we can see that the weaks ones like the children, less privileged, innocent people are the ones dying for what they have no idea about. If the world want the war to end as quick as possible, they have to tell the Iranians that is secretly sponsoring the Hamas to released the innocent people that was captured by the Hamas terrorist group.
For clarity's sake, Hamas is a Sunni Islamist political and military organization that is in control of the Gaza Strip. Wars are not declared by public opinion. I have never seen any country where the citizens are asked to come and vote on war issues. The planning and execution of the attack on Israel was kept secret from the public, so the majority of people in Gaza knew nothing about the attack on Israel by Hamas so you cannot generalise that Palestinians supported the attack on Israel. I don't think anybody would blame an average citizen for the war in Gaza. I think think we have s that thirteen hostages which include Thirteen Israeli citizens and 11 foreign nationals have been released today as part of the process to release about 50 women and children Israeli hostages. I think this is the first stage towards a peaceful resolution of this problem. There is no need for name calling or accusation regarding the war, this way need to stop. We have had enough death, it is time to stop the killing and seek for peace. I think he is speaking based on the news making the rounds that a Palestinian doctor, and a teacher kept hostages. This was made known by the released hostages. So in essence Palestinian were actually working together with the Hamas militias to carry out their attacks.
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December 07, 2023, 12:26:34 AM |
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Why would you tag IDF that are fighting for there could terrorists when it is obvious that Hamas are responsible for this shits that is happening in Palestine. What I have noticed about this war is that, it look like the Palestinians support the operation of the Hamas that is why they allow them to plant ammunition and rocket launchers in their locality.
If the Palestinians never supported the Hamas, this war would have not started at all. Now we can see that the weaks ones like the children, less privileged, innocent people are the ones dying for what they have no idea about. If the world want the war to end as quick as possible, they have to tell the Iranians that is secretly sponsoring the Hamas to released the innocent people that was captured by the Hamas terrorist group.
For clarity's sake, Hamas is a Sunni Islamist political and military organization that is in control of the Gaza Strip. Wars are not declared by public opinion. I have never seen any country where the citizens are asked to come and vote on war issues. The planning and execution of the attack on Israel was kept secret from the public, so the majority of people in Gaza knew nothing about the attack on Israel by Hamas so you cannot generalise that Palestinians supported the attack on Israel. I don't think anybody would blame an average citizen for the war in Gaza. I think think we have s that thirteen hostages which include Thirteen Israeli citizens and 11 foreign nationals have been released today as part of the process to release about 50 women and children Israeli hostages. I think this is the first stage towards a peaceful resolution of this problem. There is no need for name calling or accusation regarding the war, this way need to stop. We have had enough death, it is time to stop the killing and seek for peace. I think he is speaking based on the news making the rounds that a Palestinian doctor, and a teacher kept hostages. This was made known by the released hostages. So in essence Palestinian were actually working together with the Hamas militias to carry out their attacks. One needs to make a clear differentiation between those who belong to the extremist terrorist organization and the rest of the population in Gaza. What you say is a very wide generalization of the events, in my opinion. Only because a teacher and a doctor helped to keep hostages in the Gaza strip, does not mean the bulk of the population are helping Hamas to carry out their terrorist plans. There is nothing which prevents a doctor to join Hamas or a teacher to join Hamas, there has been terrorist members both in Isis and Al-Qaeda who were highly educated people, even doctors among them. There is also the possibility of Hamas forcing Gaza civilians to collaborate. The hostages may not be aware of it, because they would not understand their language, for example.
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Lately I have seen some accounts on Twitter/X, which belong to people who seems to be mostly pro-Israel in some way. They have been implying heavily that those children and babies which appear to be victims of the bombings by the IDF in the Gaza strip are actually dolls which are imported from China to be used to misguide and fool the international media about the colateral damage of civilians and innocent children. Mostly, the replies to those accusations have been negative and people mostly lashes at them by calling them monsters and stuff like that.
To me, it is very creepy either way, the fact one cannot longer trust one's eyes (in the case the accusations are true) or the fact people who are pro Israel are willing to minimize the loss of life in such a disgusting way.
Has anyone of you have further information on those things? It has got me very concerned and curious since I read about it on Twitter/X.
Of course it's not true. There are crazy conspiracy theories about every horrific event that happens. Zionists have come up with the most deranged and implausible theories I have seen. Even Alex Jones' theories on the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting look sane by comparison. Zionist propaganda has been debunked over and over again so they come up with something even more unhinged to try and minimize or outright deny the sadistic nature of their crimes against humanity.
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December 07, 2023, 07:19:18 PM |
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IDF tortures innocent children in prisons.
Seems like they're terrorist confirmed.
IDF activities is the same to terrorist no doubt, but sadly to say that they are attracted to bomb children and Women due to this is unexpected. IDF They can't give any reason why they are waging war, they are just killing common people., to call their activities terrorist. If your family where to be among the people that was slaughtered by the Hamas, how ouod you feel. Would you preay for the killers of your fily to be brought to book? Since the Palestinians had allowed Hamas to use them as a means of attack against there neighboring countries then they deserve to suffer the consequences of the attack they are getting now. The IDF is trying to bring the Hamas to book which are Palestinians. I will not support the attack on children and innocent people but this would happen because the Hamas are using children as a weapon of safety and now crying to the world to save them from the anger of the Israelites.
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December 08, 2023, 10:22:59 AM |
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If your family where to be among the people that was slaughtered by the Hamas, how ouod you feel.
Spreading already debunked propaganda will only make you look bad. Even Israeli mouthpieces have already confessed that it was IDF that slaughtered people.
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Why would you tag IDF that are fighting for there could terrorists when it is obvious that Hamas are responsible for this shits that is happening in Palestine. What I have noticed about this war is that, it look like the Palestinians support the operation of the Hamas that is why they allow them to plant ammunition and rocket launchers in their locality.
If the Palestinians never supported the Hamas, this war would have not started at all. Now we can see that the weaks ones like the children, less privileged, innocent people are the ones dying for what they have no idea about. If the world want the war to end as quick as possible, they have to tell the Iranians that is secretly sponsoring the Hamas to released the innocent people that was captured by the Hamas terrorist group.
For clarity's sake, Hamas is a Sunni Islamist political and military organization that is in control of the Gaza Strip. Wars are not declared by public opinion. I have never seen any country where the citizens are asked to come and vote on war issues. The planning and execution of the attack on Israel was kept secret from the public, so the majority of people in Gaza knew nothing about the attack on Israel by Hamas so you cannot generalise that Palestinians supported the attack on Israel. I don't think anybody would blame an average citizen for the war in Gaza. I think think we have s that thirteen hostages which include Thirteen Israeli citizens and 11 foreign nationals have been released today as part of the process to release about 50 women and children Israeli hostages. I think this is the first stage towards a peaceful resolution of this problem. There is no need for name calling or accusation regarding the war, this way need to stop. We have had enough death, it is time to stop the killing and seek for peace. I think he is speaking based on the news making the rounds that a Palestinian doctor, and a teacher kept hostages. This was made known by the released hostages. So in essence Palestinian were actually working together with the Hamas militias to carry out their attacks. One needs to make a clear differentiation between those who belong to the extremist terrorist organization and the rest of the population in Gaza. What you say is a very wide generalization of the events, in my opinion. Only because a teacher and a doctor helped to keep hostages in the Gaza strip, does not mean the bulk of the population are helping Hamas to carry out their terrorist plans. There is nothing which prevents a doctor to join Hamas or a teacher to join Hamas, there has been terrorist members both in Isis and Al-Qaeda who were highly educated people, even doctors among them. There is also the possibility of Hamas forcing Gaza civilians to collaborate. The hostages may not be aware of it, because they would not understand their language, for example. As much as I hate to generalize, it will be very difficult to differentiate between those that are extremist and the rest of the population because it is appearing that the rest of the population are accessories to these criminal acts, if not they should be outrightly condemning the acts of kidnap of innocent victims instead of keeping mute.
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December 10, 2023, 04:47:46 AM |
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So it's USA once again who VETOED cease fire resolution in UN Security council. Israel is doing all this because of USA backing and Israel can't survive a week in this region if he doesn't have USA survive. Even Mehmood Abbass who is puppet of USA is saying that current genocide going on in GAZA is due to USA. It's open terrorism and the world is watching silently. courtesy: facebook
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December 10, 2023, 06:09:50 AM |
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Palestine has been under an oppressive occupation backed by the United States far before 9/11. By this logic, every single American citizen is complicit in supporting decades of apartheid and 9/11 is justified. The United States once again vetoed a ceasefire resolution. There is no act of terror, commited by Israel, awful enough that the US won't support. Killing babies, massacring civilians in hospitals, and assassinating journalists are all perfectly fine by American standards. Therefore there are no innocent Americans and calling for their destruction is a perfectly reasonable response if we're holding them to the same standards that you hold Palestinian civilians.
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Spreading already debunked propaganda will only make you look bad. Even Israeli mouthpieces have already confessed that it was IDF that slaughtered people. Now this is just depressing, I don't care what the argument that Israel has on attacking Palestine, they need to be eradicated once and for all, maybe find a new holy land and steal from another country like a parasite. Israel is doing what their oppressors back in WW2 have done to their people and they're not that broken up about what they're doing, now they're fabricating stories to support this unholy crusade that they're doing against Palestine. It's such a sad thing that this is their price for having to defend their so called "country", if they weren't the inventor of UZI and efficient spy network, they would've been gone a long time ago.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv5s_VEmZd0As an American,... Yeah, Flatten Gaza.
You should put your money where your mouth is. I've heard Marines Corp is hiring, maybe try joining the Delta Force LOL. Don't come complaining when body bags flood back though or an aircraft carrier or two sink to the bottom of the sea. IDF is also hiring, I hear $6 million Merkava tanks are super safe and only 26 of them are being blown up every day in Gaza...
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