Restart, is it a good thing for humanity?

[digaran]

What is your opinion about a restart of modern civilization?
Where no internet, no satellites, no military exist? Of course we will still have land lines, TV, but no secret, no banking system, no fighter jets, no drones, no missiles, nothing.

Do you think we will change as a race to become better? Or do you think we can never change and are doomed no matter what?

Did we have so many wars and injustice in the world before the internet?
Are we truly becoming the slaves of our creation? Who will be our John Connor to shut down the skynet, or do you think we will never reach there in reality? What if we could stop skynet before it spreads? Or maybe whatever we do won't make any changes and we should wait for the inevitable to happen?
So many questions, yet 1 answer, we can only wake up to the truth, but we can never change.

Welcome to "restart".

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[Gozie51]

The point is whether we are going to do things differently at the restart civilization.

Human always want to explore and the environment is one tool to do that. Taking a leaf from the bible in the creation story where eve was asked to eat from the tree of knowledge and she herself wanted to know what would be the outcome of it. So humans always want to know outcomes and that is why we are where we are today.

Now, are we going to say that life now with alot of comfort is not better than the medieval times, the times that Thomas Hobbes described in state of nature.

I don't believe that things would have been far different from what we are witnessing now.

[~~Qu4nTuM~~]

I like the theory "we are just repeating previous civilizations" maybe billions of years ago we were more modern than now then everything disappeared suddenly because of our own technology. Yes, maybe now the "restart" is when whoever launches the nuke first.

[PrivacyG]

Where no internet, no satellites, no military exist? Of course we will still have land lines, TV, but no secret, no banking system, no fighter jets, no drones, no missiles, nothing.

Remove the Internet from our society and every body will go nuts.  Our society is not ready for a world with no Internet.  Particularly people born this century.  Remove the Internet out of their lives and all they know is Kardashian drama and 5 minute life hacks.

Do you think we will change as a race to become better? Or do you think we can never change and are doomed no matter what?

Even if we change for the better, it would be temporary only.  One day, some body who is smarter will raise up in influence again and will take the lead again with bad intentions.  This will always happen.  It has always happened along history.  There have always been wars, but maybe on smaller scales because a LONG time ago a lot of humans on this planet did not even know there were other continents.  Or maybe there were larger scale wars before no body has lived to write about.

I truly believe whatever we do, we will get to this point again one day.  It is never going to be better because some how the most influential are almost always the most ill intended.

[Familian]

What is your opinion about a restart of modern civilization?
Where no internet, no satellites, no military exist? Of course we will still have land lines, TV, but no secret, no banking system, no fighter jets, no drones, no missiles, nothing.

Do you think we will change as a race to become better? Or do you think we can never change and are doomed no matter what?

is it civilization that's the problem of humanity? Civilization made life simpler for us all, it's just a small number of men out of over 8 billion that decides to get too greedy and selfish wanting to have it all in the lead and that's how we all got to where we are now.

Supposing it's possible for a restart things will still move to this stage, maybe you will want us to be restarting over again each time we get to this stage.

[digaran]

I like the theory "we are just repeating previous civilizations" maybe billions of years ago we were more modern than now then everything disappeared suddenly because of our own technology. Yes, maybe now the "restart" is when whoever launches the nuke first.

Well, there will be no nukes to fire, because they will all be disabled, this restart is to take all the things we take for granted to punish us so that we appreciate what is left for us. If there are no mobile phones, people will use land lines. If there is no internet, people will watch TV.

I truly believe whatever we do, we will get to this point again one day.  It is never going to be better because some how the most influential are almost always the most ill intended.

True, but we will have equality, in fact all the powerful people now, will become the weakest and the weak will become the strongest. Every time humanity shows no change and correction, there has been such restarts many times, maybe God wants us to do it ourselves.  %80 of world doesn't deserve the comfort of technology, it makes them rabid. When they have to milk a cow every morning, they will understand what was lost. More importantly, no more injustice, all will be equal.

[PrivacyG]

True, but we will have equality, in fact all the powerful people now, will become the weakest and the weak will become the strongest.

To be honest with you.  Unfortunately I do not think realistically there was or ever will be equality among humans.

[aoluain]

See the problem factor in the idea is "humans"

We will as a specias endevour to outdo our colleagues and with that everyone will strive
to be better, faster, smarter, richer, stronger and greedier than others which will lead us to
having wars, technology, exploitation of other humans and nature...

Did we have so many wars and injustice in the world before the internet?

absolutely! right off the stick it started with hunter gatherers defending the best forging spots
in order to survive. Just from a quick pick there have been wars and invasions of ancient Egypt,
Assyria, expansion of the Roman empire, Viking Invasions, Expansion of the Mongol empire, The
Crusades, The Napoleonic Wars, Expansion and colonisation by the United Kingdom, Spain, France
and many other European countries in the race to carve up Africa, countless civil wars in probably
every country, WW1, WW2, Vietnam . . .

Slavery!

Will a reset really -reset- humanity, I truly doubt it.

[Hispo]

Only by removing internet access most of people will start to freak out and there is a very high chance riots and civil unrest would ensue all around the planet. In that sense, such a reset would not be possible without also resetting the way of living or the brains of the population, it would be like taking the population of the planet and teach them how to live in the early 30s, when there was not Satellites, Internet, social media, etc.

If this is a thread which is supposed to be about the rejection of modernity over the simpler times we learnt about in our history classes, I dont think it would be a good idea. After all, humanity is about advancing and trying to reach new boundaries with technologies as far as we can.
We just managed to successfully get energy out a fusion reactor. Why give up on such important advances.?

[btc78]

What is your opinion about a restart of modern civilization?
Where no internet, no satellites, no military exist? Of course we will still have land lines, TV, but no secret, no banking system, no fighter jets, no drones, no missiles, nothing.

A bad idea.

this is impossible a lot of people’s lives are already intertwined with the internet 

there are so many processes that require the use of technology and the internet and cutting it all off would leave such a huge impact to everyone's lives it will be harder to connect with people and it will disrupt a lot of systems

do you think those who have heavily benefited from the internet can suddenly live without it? can you even live without the internet? we depend so much on the use of technology and the internet and it’s not necessarily a bad thing yes over the years it has been heavily taken advantage of and allowed for exploitation and other bad things but let us not forget what the internet has allowed us to do

we are talking to each other because of the internet

Did we have so many wars and injustice in the world before the internet?

The answer is, yes.

wars have long existed even before technology was invented tribes were fighting each other for land and for resources

humans are naturally greedy and prideful wars have and will always exist the only difference is that those wars weren’t recorded because obviously there wasn’t anything or anyone to record it humans were fighting each other before learning how to read and write

[digaran]

You might consider another option, you will have internet in such event, but there will be no secure communications, that means, NO more secrets, all the secrets will be revealed( wikileaks style but worldwide). You could still have video chats but anyone could also watch and listen.

If we are to categorize people based on their beliefs and ideals, we'd have to kill half of population because half of the world is totally insane and indifferent, so the best option is to take away the things making them rabid like NPC/zombies.

Good thing about this, Bitcoin will survive and we could fork to expand it worldwide where we will have a giant network of miners keeping the chain healthy and several layers each doing a different task. A total decentralization of life and power.

[Kelward]

If we where to restart civilization,  will we restart the human nature? So far as the human mind is not tampered with, it's only a matter of time before we start thinking of another restart. The only thing that changed between now and early times is technological advancements. Man has always wanted to conquer is fellow man, there has always been good and evil, there has always been war, colonies, nothing much has changed in human character. In fact civilization has abolished some evils like slavery and reduced the influence of wicked and powerful individuals that will commit evil and get away with it.

Restart a thousand times might not be the solution to a better world, it is for us to be the change that we want to see.

[Jamestown70]

Going back to the days of no internet and other globalization mechanizism you mention still wouldn't change the human race to be better in humanity, before the advent of all this there was still some good amount of wars and conflict infact ignorance persisted more on the minds of the people but now that there is internet the mindset of the people has changed greatly take for example the Gen z generation are just to pre occupied with innovative ideas to better humanity than going to wars I believe if there was to be internet connection ever since we wouldn't have gone into some uneccessary conflict.

[uchegod-21]

Starting modernisation afresh? Nothing will change.
Curiosity will still make humans try out new things until they end up discovering and even producing things that will in turn be a problem to humanity. It is impossible for humans to live without trying to alter their environment. Humans will always be humans.

Humans are social beings and must interact with one another. Most times, while in the course of interaction, conflicts may arise, this has nothing to do with modernisation. It is in the human nature to disagree to agree most times. The only difference will be how conflicts are resolved  due to the fact that there will be no weapons of destruction. But know that humans are natural explorers and will explore till they advance technologically again.

[Jegileman]

We are so comfortable with modern civilization that we have forgotten about its drawbacks and how to avoid them. There will come a day when many people will be forced to reject modern civilization in favour of the ancient. I won't say the old age was better than the new age because I didn't spend much time in the old age and have already lived more of the modern age. All of this was done to make the world a better place, which it did, but we are now suffering from the negligence of its ramifications prior to the invention of all of these modern technological tools. Restart won’t be the best option but rather finding solutions to avert the problems that was accompanied by modern civilization.

[digaran]

First of all, I'm surprised to see some reasonable people here, which is a good thing, but have you ever thought about why the big flood occured? I mean aren't we close to that state? If we don't do it, God will decide, but if we try it ourselves, he will help us, we need to send the signal that we are still worthy of living on this planet, because history shows hundreds of modern and advanced civilizations vanished from the face of the earth over nights, we can only see their remnants, which should be a sign of warning.

Can you imagine what could have happened if satoshi was not forced to invent Bitcoin? I say forced, because he wasn't living in a palace with servants to come up with this idea out of boredom, no, a force from outside made him to make a move, and now what if we could destroy all the governments and their corrupted apparatus to build a decentralized government ruling the world? an AI  with admins being humans, or simply a network of nodes following a single protocol, with no discrimination when it comes to decide a course of action to be taken in order to have a result.

For instance, no favoritism in bureaucracy, or no bureaucracy at all, no control of wealth in to the hands of a few, but instead using the God given wealth to advance everyone's lives regardless of their color and "race", currently there is no justice, so we either fight for it, or lose everything we have.

[Y3shot]

I think their won't be life without all this, all this you mentioned have their own function to make life easy. People don't need the banking system accept money is not useful,  you don't need money to get a home , money is not needed  to get food,  money is not just needed to survive. I think the reason why have the military and the police to install peace and to put the society in other. If the society is a place that is peaceful and the people are law abiding their won't be any need for the military or the police. I think based on the nature of life their are somethings we can't really do without as humans.

[bluebit25]

The truth revealed at the present time is not enough to connect people more together, but I have to think positively that we are still on the journey to upgrade civilization despite the chaos. I think it's a trade-off to get what we want.

Regarding the Internet issue, I don't think things that appear in current life are the problem, but each of us is the cause of the problem. Because of greed, narrow-mindedness, ignorance, arrogance, cynicism,... but the wrong point of view keeps us stuck in a rather stereotypical lifestyle, and really, I only think about improving people's morality, which will change things for the better. But to operate it, I'm not sure, because balance with all when unity is the result we want is still the process we seek after many other civilizations together.

[Ucy]

What is your opinion about a restart of modern civilization?
Where no internet, no satellites, no military exist? Of course we will still have land lines, TV, but no secret, no banking system, no fighter jets, no drones, no missiles, nothing.

Do you think we will change as a race to become better? Or do you think we can never change and are doomed no matter what?

Did we have so many wars and injustice in the world before the internet?
Are we truly becoming the slaves of our creation? Who will be our John Connor to shut down the skynet, or do you think we will never reach there in reality? What if we could stop skynet before it spreads? Or maybe whatever we do won't make any changes and we should wait for the inevitable to happen?
So many questions, yet 1 answer, we can only wake up to the truth, but we can never change.

Welcome to "restart".

Guess you mean "no Modern Military" and "no Banking System" because Military and banking system are not really modern institutions. They have been in existence for many centuries, though the ancient ones may not be so modern compared to what we have today.

Secret is necessary unless in society where no evil exists and everyone is trustworthy. Things are kept secret mainly for safety reasons. If you are completely safe in a society where everyone is good no need to keep secret unless maybe for games/test.


Now to the topic, restarting humanity or society will only be good if the society will start with just/good law that must be followed always. A slight deviation from the law will definitely lead them back to the issues you highlighted. Besides, those issues are not unique to modern world. You can find them  worst in primitive societies.
In regards to the use of modern technologies, to be honest the issue is with the way they were designed or made, and the abuse/misuse of them. It's OK for society to be very creative/productive as long as what they produce is good/safe. There is a race by humans to be at the top and they believe having the best tech/stuff will get them there. And if you try to restrict yourself from producing such tech other people would do it and get there before you and probably have advantage over you. So, you see why it's hard not to be very productive in the world. You are always under pressure to get there first.

Unfortunately, the current world's way of advancement is preprogrammed to move in predetermined direction. Any invention you make that deviate from the program, no matter how good won't be accepted or would be modified to be compatible with the program. The goal of the program is to get societies to a point where they are completely controlled.

[DeathAngel]

To be honest I would not be keen on the idea. I enjoy life the way it is, the people in power, the true elites terrify me. All their ideas of a Great Reset & total control. I would not like any huge changes to the way we live other than the gradual innovation that we currently have.