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December 02, 2023, 08:16:53 AM
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Just a quick note @Op, merge all your recent posts together you’re making your thread look messy…

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December 02, 2023, 11:06:44 PM
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Our results (see case studies) should be much more decisive.

I was looking at your ponzi case study.

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Our analyzes showed that a total of ~ 42,000 Bitcoin were deposited.
This amount is offset by payouts to customers of ~ 21,000 Bitcoin.

Why so vague?   Why not post the exact numbers of bitcoin?   Then your potential clients could find it on the blockchain and verify your words.

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December 03, 2023, 05:21:05 AM
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Why so vague?   Why not post the exact numbers of bitcoin?   Then your potential clients could find it on the blockchain and verify your words.

Thank you for looking into our report.

There are several reasons for our "vague" information on this case.
I will only discuss the two most important ones here.

1. this is a rather complex case for which we have analyzed thousands of transactions. In addition, parts of the analyses are based on so-called "heuristics". Here, results that cannot be calculated exactly are estimated as accurately as possible by an algorithm. Therefore, no one can simply "look up" our analysis in the blockchain.

2 Of course, we do not want our publications to hinder investigations by the authorities or warn suspects in advance. This is another reason why the information is always quite vague.

As the U.S. DOJ has already brought charges in this case, I will link to them here.
The DOJ published the indictment on November 21, 2022.
Our case study on our website was published almost a year earlier and our investigation into it is of course even older.

Our case report (on archive.org, dated June 30, 2021):
https://web.archive.org/web/20210630052410/https://www.cryptorensics.com/en/projects/ponzi-scheme/

DOJ publication (dated November 21, 2022):
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/two-estonian-citizens-arrested-575-million-cryptocurrency-fraud-and-money-laundering-scheme
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December 03, 2023, 06:02:14 AM
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Why so vague?   Why not post the exact numbers of bitcoin?   Then your potential clients could find it on the blockchain and verify your words.

BTW, on screenshot number 3 on:
https://web.archive.org/web/20210630052410/https://www.cryptorensics.com/en/projects/ponzi-scheme/
image in full size:
https://web.archive.org/web/20210630052416im_/https://www.cryptorensics.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/deposit_vs_withdraw_2.png
you can see the exact amount of BTC.

And here once again in detail:

Deposits
Input BTC (total): 42511.22633490
Output BTC (total): 42511.19109140
Balance BTC (total): 0.03524350
Transactions: 660968
BTC Adresses: 326952

Withdrawals
Input BTC (total): 21131.33891676
Output BTC (total): 21129.57464535
Balance BTC (total)   1.76427141
Transactions: 247455
BTC Adresses: 35

Difference
Difference BTC (Deposit Input - Withdraw Output): 21381.65168955
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December 03, 2023, 06:21:42 AM
Last edit: December 04, 2023, 12:31:29 AM by Vod
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1. this is a rather complex case for which we have analyzed thousands of transactions. In addition, parts of the analyses are based on so-called "heuristics". Here, results that cannot be calculated exactly are estimated as accurately as possible by an algorithm. Therefore, no one can simply "look up" our analysis in the blockchain.

First, "heuristics" is a bio term; computer algorithms do not use mental processes (yet - see Elon).

Second, you contradicted yourself in your next post, by providing the exact results you could not calculate.  

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December 03, 2023, 02:51:09 PM
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First, "heuristics" is a bio term; computer algorithms do not use mental processes (yet - see Elon).

Second, you contradicted yourself in your next post, by providing the exact results you could not calculate.  

Of course, exact results were calculated.
However, the calculation of these results is based, at least in part, on heuristics.
Therefore, even if the values are accurate, they may not be one hundred percent correct.

It is perhaps best explained like a weather forecast.
This also calculates a temperature for the next day.
However, there is no guarantee that this temperature will occur exactly.

The results could therefore all be correctly marked with an ~ (approx).

Here is some more information on heuristics:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heuristic_(computer_science)
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