Live my life as a mod

[Halab]

For once this topic is not going to be a topic of a member complaining about a moderator, but of a moderator complaining about the members of his section.

I could have written this topic in the Staff section, but fearing the lack of answers and finding the subject interesting to get as many opinions as possible, I'm posting it here.

A few reminders :
I'm too lazy to find the exact quote, but Theymos said "the aim of this forum is to be as free as possible".
Free of speeeech.
Voltaire: "I don't agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for you to have the right to say it."

I agree with all that. And I was trying to moderate as best I could with all these parameters.

Current context :
Since 7/10, the world has fallen further into madness.

User A : a member who has become radicalized and is absolutely against immigration to Europe and can be described as islamophobic. Of course he's a supporter of Israel and its actions.
User B : a negationist member who sees Jewish lobbies everywhere. Of course he's anti-Israel.
User C : an openly zionist member who can't even write the word god (he would write g.d)
User D : a troll alt account that only gives links to extreme right-wing sites that list violent acts committed by arabs or africans.

Mix it all up and let them do for 28 pages in a single topic. Imagine the carnage. Because yes, I have decided not to moderate this topic, or very little.

But this morning you wake up with your head up your ass and see :

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on october 7, the amalekites killed approximately 0.1% of the world's jews. to restore the balance, 0.1% of the world's mahometans must be killed.
g.d's law is clear, the sources are multiple :
exodus 21:23 to 25 : כְּוִיָּה֙ תַּ֣חַת כְּוִיָּ֔ה פֶּ֖צַע תַּ֣חַת פָּ֑צַע חַבּוּרָ֕ה תַּ֖חַת חַבּוּרָֽה עַ֚יִן תַּ֣חַת עַ֔יִן שֵׁ֖ן תַּ֣חַת שֵׁ֑ן יָ֚ד תַּ֣חַת יָ֔ד רֶ֖גֶל תַּ֥חַת רָֽגֶל וְאִם־אָסֹ֖ון יִהְיֶ֑ה וְנָתַתָּ֥ה נֶ֖פֶשׁ תַּ֥חַת נָֽפֶשׁ
leviticus 24:19 and 20 :  בֶר תַּ֣חַת שֶׁ֔בֶר עַ֚יִן תַּ֣חַת עַ֔יִן שֵׁ֖ן תַּ֣חַת שֵׁ֑ן כַּאֲשֶׁ֨ר יִתֵּ֥ן מוּם֙ בָּֽאָדָ֔ם כֵּ֖ן יִנָּ֥תֶן בֹּֽו וְאִ֕ישׁ כִּֽי־יִתֵּ֥ן מ֖וּם בַּעֲמִיתֹ֑ו כַּאֲשֶׁ֣ר עָשָׂ֔ה כֵּ֖ן יֵעָ֥שֶׂה לֹּֽו
deuteronomy 19:21 : וְלֹ֥א תָחֹ֖וס עֵינֶ֑ךָ נֶ֣פֶשׁ בְּנֶ֗פֶשׁ עַ֤יִן בְּעַ֙יִן֙ שֵׁ֣ן בְּשֵׁ֔ן יָ֥ד בְּיָ֖ד רֶ֥גֶל בְּרָֽגֶל

I'll leave the calculations to those who are interested, but we're still a long way off.

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Anyway
Collecting organs from palestinians is called recycling for the environment. It's good for the planet.

I give you access to my account for 5 minutes. What would you do ?
Are there no limits to everything, even here on Bitcointalk ?

(To be clear, I'm not jewish or muslim. I don't believe in any god. I deeply believe that we would live better without religions, but that's not the debate of this topic.)

Edit :
I can't ban an account directly.
The topic in question is already in the off-topic section.

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[mrust_mobile]

Do whatever you like?

You are the mod. You should decide.

If you want the forum look like 4chan, then let people post mass killings, death threats, terror propaganda etc.

If you don’t, then delete these posts.

[Despairo]

Damn, but aren't such words a kind of death threat? so these posts should be deleted.

8. No threats to inflict bodily harm, death threats.

But, since the moderators can make a mistake, why you're not try to delete their posts when you feel it's necessary to take an action? it's up to them to create a dedicated thread to complain why their posts are constantly get deleted, so you can restore these posts when the community say you're wrong?

[digaran]

OMG, why are you hesitant? Why are you even asking? You should ban them both, is that really so hard man? Do you need permission to do the right thing? Ban them and let them come here for appeal, THEY WON'T. believe me because the community will scar them for life if they appeal.

This is not about free speech, this is encouraging violence and is actually a serious crime, please don't let criminals roam this forum that easily.

[Mpamaegbu]

It disgusts me to read the quote in, "D". I don't even care about the nationality of the person. Organ harvesting is as disgusting as racist comments. Now tell me, how on earth will someone have such a mindset and their post is allowed to breath five minutes of readership all in the name of free press? Gosh! Kindly do the needful and delete them. A fair judgment to the best of my perspicacity will be to give temporary ban on those accounts so they all can cool off.

[OcTradism]

I can be wrong but I think those posts are not necessarily deleted. Moving that thread to Off-topic and lock it.

I think so because I see those posts are toxic but very general and moderators can handle those posts similarly like doxes. It is general and you can find it in many places on Internet but if it aims at a specific person, those posts must be deleted and those posters must be banned.

Q: What about deleting DOXes?
A: Nope, we don't delete them either as long as they comply with the following rules:

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1. Personal information must be confined to the new "investigations" board (under Scam Accusations), which is only visible to Members and above. Personal information is defined as anything which links a user's online identity (username, email, etc.) to their meatspace identity, excluding links that the person himself has posted. It is not allowed to post somebody's personal information in any other public place, including in signatures.
2. It is not allowed to post someone's dox if it is especially obvious that you're just using the dox as a weapon. For example, if there are no remotely-plausible trade complaints, then the person can't be a scammer, and their dox should not be posted.
3. As before, anything that the legacy insecure government/banking system requires to be secret is not allowed anywhere. This includes social security numbers, credit card numbers, and certain account numbers.
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Why aren't they deleted? Because such doxing is just compiling information about a user already available publicly, often via search engines.

[NotATether]

I give you access to my account for 5 minutes. What would you do ?
Are there no limits to everything, even here on Bitcointalk ?

Make a quarantine section in the local board called "Politics and Society" (but in french I guess) and just require all posts on the topic to be there or else they will go to the trashcan and also turn off notifications (for yourself) on that board.

This approach is very good for containing the BADecker types that never venture out of the Politics board.

[digaran]

I give you access to my account for 5 minutes. What would you do ?
Are there no limits to everything, even here on Bitcointalk ?

Make a quarantine section in the local board called "Politics and Society" (but in french I guess) and just require all posts on the topic to be there or else they will go to the trashcan and also turn off notifications (for yourself) on that board.

This approach is very good for containing the BADecker types that never venture out of the Politics board.

Some hookers + some drugs too. 😉🤣
What are you saying man? This is how extremist born, if you don't stop them, we might as well allow people to do sex video online and broadcast it here live, then we can all watch and circle jerk each other, what a f'ed up community would that be I wonder?

[acroman08]

user C basically made a death threat and as Despairo has said shared, it is against the forum rules and if I remember correctly, that is a bannable offence. also, I agree with ETFbitcoin to lock the thread instead of deleting it, what these people wrote needs to be out there to show how disgusting they are.

user D is a POS, that guy has never experienced what oppressed people have felt and their lives to be considered as nothing but objects that can be taken with a click of a button or pull on a trigger.

[Bitcoin SV]

Halab est un modérateur mauvais et paresseux. Connard et idiot

Nothing personal, just relaying what I heard from some members of our community

[NotATether]

I give you access to my account for 5 minutes. What would you do ?
Are there no limits to everything, even here on Bitcointalk ?

Make a quarantine section in the local board called "Politics and Society" (but in french I guess) and just require all posts on the topic to be there or else they will go to the trashcan and also turn off notifications (for yourself) on that board.

This approach is very good for containing the BADecker types that never venture out of the Politics board.

Some hookers + some drugs too. 😉🤣
What are you saying man? This is how extremist born, if you don't stop them, we might as well allow people to do sex video online and broadcast it here live, then we can all watch and circle jerk each other, what a f'ed up community would that be I wonder?

Extremists are born by the media they are shown on TV or video-sharing platforms. Bitcointalk is an old-fashioned forum where the only people typing this kind of stuff are the ones who've already been raised like that. If it was my forum, I'd probably delete all that stuff, but it's not and so it's Halab's decision to do as he sees fit with his local board.

[digaran]

 

Can someone show us those members mentioned 2 posts above?

[Zwei]

The topic in question is: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5469514.0

User C is: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=377987
User D is: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3563417

[SmartGold01]

I love your decision to have exposed the post here coupled with Despairo quotes reference to what mprep said it's against the forum rules hence should be deleted but since you don't believe in any God and you wouldn't to take laws into your hands you decided to share for a general overview., So in my opinion deleting is the best and those post aren't qualify to be left in a minutes because is against the forum rules.

[digaran]

Why post their profiles? Don't do that, don't expose them like that, if they are banned, they will never return here, it's not about opinions anymore, these words are considered a crime, legally.

[Bureau]

Freedom of speech does not mean that people are allowed to give death threats or talk about organ harvesting. This is disgusting and should be controlled by the mods regardless of what has been spoken by Theymos. There should line within that freedom that should not be crossed. Of course, everyone should be allowed to have a discussion but when it goes into the negative zone a limit should be applied to stop it from going further. I feel such discussions are way out of human morality and should not be allowed or encouraged in the forum.

A mods job is to stop such kind of shit discussion before it reaches a stage when personalization or pointing fingers starts based on religion. I do feel being in a forum that was meant to uplift the lifestyle of those struggling financially the objective of discussion should not be hatred based on religion but on financial upliftment.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

You are the moderator, and you are in a position to do the right thing or even consult the opinions of other moderators too. IMO, I have two suggestions: either for the topic to be locked and moved to the archive board or for a warning to be sent to the member who is making a death threat because it's against the forum rule to make a death threat on someone.

[Lafu]

I give you access to my account for 5 minutes. What would you do ?
Are there no limits to everything, even here on Bitcointalk ?
(I don't believe in any god. I deeply believe that we would live better without religions, but that's not the debate of this topic.)
Edit :
I can't ban an account directly.
The topic in question is already in the off-topic section.

I would delete all of this comments or threads and would be forward that to the Global Moderators and theymos and Cyrus.
If that comments and thing will be coming and be maked again i also would request a temp or perm ban for them.
This kind of things has nothing to do with Bitcoin or the Forum and should be also not in the Off Topic section.

[FatFork]

I'd likely delete all comments or threads with threats, hate speech, or incitement to violence.  Those kinda cross the line from free speech into infringing on others' rights.  I'd forward those posts to the main mods for penalties if that stuff pops back up. Freedom of speech is not without its boundaries. As a mod you have some duty to make sure people don't use their individual freedoms to infringe upon the rights and well-being of others.

[Faisal2202]

I give you access to my account for 5 minutes. What would you do ?
Are there no limits to everything, even here on Bitcointalk ?

I will send myself few trust and maybe merits hehe just kidding, well, I have read the first post by user C and I think it was made in BTC discussion and one another section, and it was totally off so I did not replied because I knew these posts will be deleted because posts other than English language don't stays there any longer.

You did the right thing, even if the forum has given us the freedom speech but we should not use that feature for spreading hate speech. World is full of religions, I am Muslim and religious person, I support Palestine. But still these words are so rude and harsh.

I am not a moderator, I don't know the rules, and what rules you guys have to follow but what I know is you have the right to remove there topics or any topic that is spreading hatred, if any don't like my support for Palestine or like me as Muslim then I can't do anything with it and it is freedom of speech, but if I starts to talk shit about other party's childern and started to disrespect them then that's bad for me, we are human but things are just getting out of hands for everyone (not talking about me). Let's just moderate these things.