DT system is centalized or decentralized? Poll

[Bitcoin SV]

DT system is centalized or decentralized? Poll

I think that DT is not decentralized as many try to present it to us
Because when someone is kicked out of DT - it happens instantly. How can decentralized decision making be instantaneous? Only a centralized decision can be so instantaneous

Overnight, tons of negative reviews are pours out on the DT-outcast.
I thought that decentralization meant both positive and negative reviews in different proportions. The presence of only continuous negative reviews from the accused is already a coordinated centralized attack from members of the system.

I'm not talking about myself. I want to say that Ratimov was treated unfairly

[Eternad]

Decentralized since no single person controlling it.

Everything is done via discussion on public thread and everyone can give their opinion about the subject not that it happened without any prior notice or discussion. The system is completely decentralized but some people might fight find it centralized if the unanimous decision is not in their favor.

PS: My opinion is not related to Ratimov because I don’t follow the full context of the issue. This is for the general use of the trust system.

[Bitcoin SV]

Isn't it obvious DT system is centralized?

So you admit that the DT system is centralized?

Then from now on I ask everyone to tag everyone who yells that the "DT system is decentralized" or "DT system becomes decentralized" as shitposters

[Charles-Tim]

I'm not talking about myself. I want to say that Ratimov was treated unfairly

It would have been better if Ratimov did not delete people's posts in his topics and also edited the topics to make it to become worthless. That is where it started recently.

He is not in DT, but if he continues to be the good poster he is, he will still be recognized.

I wished he just left those topics alone the way they are.

[digaran]

The active gang of DTs milking, exploiting, oppressing, bullying blatantly, are in fact a new sect. I mean come on, they don't give a single sat about anything but their own sig payments and other illicit activities.

If you dare, go open a topic on any of them, if you dare go question them as to why they support a certain somebody.
Of course when you do dare to do that, and when you reveal their unmasked nature, they  start attacking you by several alts and those in need of sig payments, support them.  Because it has been established long ago, "if everyone thinks x about y, then everyone is right"

And who is this everyone? Cult members, complementing each other with trust and merits left and right and laugh to our faces while suffocating this community.

Bottom line, racism and money is the rule here, because authorities don't want to dictate their opinions, hence the cult does that.

I mean for God's sake, they don't even allow you to defend yourself, and when you do, RIP. Funny thing is, they get caught red handed everytime they apply their double standards, but who cares, right?

What makes it worse, is the butthurt label when you complain.

[Charles-Tim]

So you admit that the DT system is centralized?

I can still say that trust system is not centralized, even if not seen as decentralized to some people.

Then from now on I ask everyone that you tag everyone who yells that the "DT system is decentralized" or "DT system becomes decentralized" as shitposters

What does this mean if you are in DT? This is bias.

I mean for God's sake, they don't even allow you to defend yourself, and when you do, RIP. Funny thing is, they get caught red handed everytime they apply their double standards, but who cares, right?

Correct me if wrong. But Ratimov did not defend himself? Instead he remained mute about what is going on. Which likely means he does not care about what is going on about what people are discussing about him recently on this forum.

[Bitcoin SV]

So you admit that the DT system is centralized?

I can still say that trust system is not centralized, even if not seen as decentralized to some people.

Don't talk a rubbish. Just VOTE

[FatFork]

I guess it depends on whether you're looking from an individual perspective or the whole system. The way I see it, the Trust System is decentralized for people using the forum.  Each user can change their own trust lists however they want, adding or removing members as they please and  this shapes how they view trust feedback on their end.  But zooming out to look at everything you could say parts of it are still kinda centralized.  There's central authority that can boot members from DT1, although they still have the right to vote.  

How can decentralized decision making be instantaneous? Only a centralized decision can be so instantaneous

That is not correct. The Bitcoin system is decentralized and operates on a consensus mechanism, allowing for near-instantaneous decision-making. This decision-making process occurs approximately every ten minutes, resulting in block confirmations and subsequent updates to the Bitcoin ledger.

[Bitcoin SV]

I think that the DT system is managed and formed centrally. There is no democracy or consensus on the forum.
All the necessary people are appointed from above. In front of you only creates the appearance of being elected or excluded to the DT system. Everything is done through a pocket DT-army. Look at the flags of the accused people? The names of some accusators in flags-supporting menu are not known to anyone - but they are in DT and have the right to vote. This is a DT-army which are controlled by one puppeteer

DT system is cannot be decentralized, because the administrator will never allow the power of the majority in the DT-system to pass into the hands of the opposition. This is why a personal pocket DT-army exists to remove unwanted people.

This means that the system is completely centralized

The system is so rotten and corrupt that it allows trolls like nutildah to troll with impunity. This gives these trolls a monopoly on trolling.

The system is rotting and does not clean itself in any way. The best are expelled from the system. And the most rotten people remain in DT

[digaran]

Please spare us the lecture, you can't defend decentralization when it's in your favour and bash it with your garbage coin when it comes to your pocket, you are the definition of double standard, you can't fight for the things you try so hard to take away from people.

But as we all know, even a thief appreciates the safety provided by the cops.  Your poll is rigged, won't participate.

[Solosanz]

It's decentralized, you can give any feedback to any user regardless it's appropriate or not, you can include or exclude anyone without need to ask someone else permission. If someone think DT system is centralized, what about Bitcoin that has a chance of 51% attack.

Look at the flags of the accused people? The names of some accusators in flags-supporting menu are not known to anyone - but they are in DT and have the right to vote. This is a DT-army which are controlled by one puppeteer

You can make an analysis and ask theymos to proceed an investigation, he did exclude someone who have 58 accounts to manipulate DT system.

After some investigation, this is a circle of 58 accounts, most of which have 10+ merit. IDs:
-snip-

They're all now excluded from the DT selection process, so if the goal was to manipulate DT, someone blew ~580 sMerit in order to ultimately fail doing so.

[Bitcoin SV]

You can make an analysis and ask theymos to proceed an investigation, he did exclude someone who have 58 accounts to manipulate DT system.

The admin removed the competitor only because only the admin has the right to have such an army to manage manupilate the DT-system

If someone think DT system is centralized, what about Bitcoin that has a chance of 51% attack.

Bitcoin has a chance to fork at least so that people switch to a more secure protocol. And this forum has a monopoly, forum is centralized, admin is a pharaoh, DT-members are vassals, and the rest users are garbage to them.

DT - is a feudal caste system

[shahzadafzal]

DT system is centalized or decentralized? Poll

I think that DT is not decentralized as many try to present it to us
Because when someone is kicked out of DT - it happens instantly. How can decentralized decision making be instantaneous? Only a centralized decision can be so instantaneous

Overnight, tons of negative reviews are pours out on the DT-outcast.
I thought that decentralization meant both positive and negative reviews in different proportions. The presence of only continuous negative reviews from the accused is already a coordinated centralized attack from members of the system.

I'm not talking about myself. I want to say that Ratimov was treated unfairly

While the Bitcointalk trust system may appear to act swiftly, its efficiency doesn’t necessarily undermine decentralization.

Instant actions can result from automated processes or a well-designed decentralized consensus mechanism. And for the matter of fact the negative reviews could stem from genuine concerns, and the absence of positive reviews might reflect the community’s standards rather than a coordinated attack.

It’s crucial to consider the broader context and mechanisms in place to appreciate the decentralized nature of the trust system.

Yes I agree that true decentralization involves a balance of perspectives, and the current situation raises questions about the fairness and impartiality but at the same time silence from other party and zero justification or no explanation whatsoever (about his questionable actions) will automatically produce baised results.

So you can’t really blame the trust system specially in this particular case.


Edit:

Apologies for going off-topic, but I have a quick question.

Are you associated with "Bitcoin SV"? Or you are the Bitcoin SV?

[Bitcoin SV]

Yes I agree that true decentralization involves a balance of perspectives

Finally

Apologies for going off-topic, but I have a quick question.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5262967.msg55201692#msg55201692

[digaran]

@Shahzad, the whole problem is that you can very easily game the system, in fact a positive feedback could be obtained with no cost at all, just like I could say: "I have observed Shahzad over the years, seems to be a trustworthy member."

The fact that you consider positive trust as a sign of trustworthiness shows you have been manipulated.

The concern is, why nobody cares when someone abuses the system? Because the gang frowns upon such actions, therefore nobody risks their reputation to stand on the right side, that makes the whole system vulnerable. Admin is not to blame IMO, you can't keep everyone happy. Those who'd claim to be the good guys, they would simply back down when a certain somebody is involved.


Sv, please accept our lord as your saviour, savior, salvatore and repent, let me sweep the streets around the pyramid, I have a second job at nights, which is to be a clown for their laughter, kings and queen I mean.😉

[rat03gopoh]

This is community-oriented centralization (@shahzadafzal explains well what I think in the 2nd line). However, the admin can act without it if in his personal judgment, the system is seriously damaged.

The system is so rotten and corrupt that it allows trolls

What you're talking about is the power of influence. And almost all DT members don't blindly take sides without looking at their background.

[Doan9269]

DT system is centalized or decentralized? Poll

I think that DT is not decentralized as many try to present it to us
Because when someone is kicked out of DT - it happens instantly. How can decentralized decision making be instantaneous? Only a centralized decision can be so instantaneous

You may be actually right, just as the criteria for being a DT member also is not decentralized, which means you're saying that DT is centralized and to join or leave is also a decision to be made by either the members or the admin itself, but we can also channel it as being decentralized in the sense that you can be added by anyone who trusted you and when such detrust you as well you get nucked out, though there's more to this in which i believe other experienced members could tell in explaining more to us about the way the system works.

[digaran]

This discussion is pointless, and I know I will piss off a lot of good people at heart, but listen to this joke:

After sin bad was announced seized, after it was announced that the funds in campaign escrow is to be considered as stolen funds and should not be touched to avoid legal issues, people were gladly posting their half finished post counts to get the payments regardless.

Check the signature campaign for sin bad after the announcement, check deleted posts edited posts, and see how many people posted their post count, and which one of them are on DT.

Then come here, or anywhere else talk to me about established and trustworthy DTs, they either were unable to understand what STOLEN FUNDS mean, or they didn't care if it was stolen/hacked money.

Now talk to me about trust.
End of joke, I'm sorry if this post hurt someone, but I had no choice other than slapping back.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Isn't it obvious DT system is centralized? After all the forum itself (just like most website) is centralized. Theoretically admin can change how DT system works or even remove it anytime he wants.

Yeah, and I have a better question: why is this even being asked?  Like you said, this is a discussion forum originating from a centralized team....and blah, blah, blah....there's just no relevance here.

I certainly have some issues with the DT system and always have, but if you understand it you would think this X vs. Y discussion (which is great for shitposters, by the way) is straight-up silly.

Also, Bitcoin SV is back?  How long of a break did we get from his trolling?

[DooMAD]

The poll appears to be lacking an option for "OP is a complete scumbag, supporting an identity thief who openly attacks Bitcoin users and developers with absurd lawsuits".


I vote that.


You seriously believe you can declare war on this community and then have the gall to come here to attack the methods we employ to prevent parasites like you from gaining influence?  Yeah, let's entertain that notion.   

If you had even a shred of honesty about you, then you'd acknowledge your only interest in this discussion is about how you and your verminous cohorts are perceived.  You've been making several posts lately about people who have left you negative feedback, so it's not difficult to determine your true angle here.  It's no surprise you'd want to complain about a reputation system that actively hinders you from gaining influence and ripping off more people with your trashy forkcoin scam. 

You are living testament to the fact that DT works exactly as intended.  Scum gets tagged as scum, so everyone can see it.