Mixers to be banned

[cryptosize]

How come nobody has uploaded pedo pr0n in the BTC blockchain as an NFT?

1. It was harder, and more expensive in the past. Now, there is a ready-to-use tool, called Ordinals client, which will make that easier, than it was before.

2. It was done in the past. There were at least links, but in some cases, there were some encrypted images.

3. Rule 34, and Rule 35 applies here as well:

Rule 34. There is pr0n of it, no exception.
Rule 35. If no pr0n is found at the moment, it will be made.

And of course, a fully-decentralized cloud storage, will also have it. But with sufficient moderation, and a good blacklist, and whitelist, it is something we can deal with. Take mailing list for example: it is moderated, so such things are not posted there, even if someone could send it.

Is there any visible (not encrypted or external link) pedo pr0n jpeg in the BTC blockchain?

If so, all BTC nodes are illegal by definition.

That's why I believe NFTs shouldn't exist in the first place (unless there's moderation, which could easily turn into censorship).

ps: Cost is not an issue if you're determined to destroy BTC.

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[stwenhao]

Is there any visible (not encrypted or external link) pedo pr0n jpeg in the BTC blockchain?

I don't know if it is, because it will not be exposed that easily, as long as Scanners are not widely deployed. But there were also some malware on the chain, some XSS attacks (because some web wallets and block explorers displayed blockchain data directly, so it was possible to attack them in that way).

In general, blockchain contains a lot of surprises. And if people want "decentralized" things, they usually don't think, that to reach it properly, they would need to send and receive a lot of data, which does not belong to them. This is one of the costs of decentralization. Instead of one central point of failure, each peer does the job of that centralized server, which means, each peer has to handle his own traffic, and also the traffic that is only passed to other peers, but never displayed.

Which means, if you want to hide your payments, you need a full node, which will send and receive transactions, made by other people. And the same is true in case of decentralized forum: you would need to send and receive posts, written by people you don't like, or don't care about (or a significant portion of the network would need to do so, because there should be enough full nodes, to handle all SPV clients).

And for many legal reasons, it is highly encouraged to encrypt data-related things. In case of payments, public keys and signature nonces are considered to be random (and they can be batched in the future, if too much data will be posted). But in case of cloud storage, encryption is a tool, to not be legally responsible for the content, that is passing through a given node.

[joker_josue]

Is there any visible (not encrypted or external link) pedo pr0n jpeg in the BTC blockchain?

If so, all BTC nodes are illegal by definition.

Unfortunately, there are already much worse things on the Bitcoin blockchain:
Child abuse imagery found within bitcoin's blockchain (The Guardian)

I don't even want to imagine what a lot of Ordinals that have been moving/registered have...

[SatoPrincess]

Unfortunately, there are already much worse things on the Bitcoin blockchain:
Child abuse imagery found within bitcoin's blockchain (The Guardian)

I don't even want to imagine what a lot of Ordinals that have been moving/registered have...

Some people are just sick. P.S. The link is not working.

[joker_josue]

Unfortunately, there are already much worse things on the Bitcoin blockchain:
Child abuse imagery found within bitcoin's blockchain (The Guardian)

I don't even want to imagine what a lot of Ordinals that have been moving/registered have...

Some people are just sick. P.S. The link is not working.

Link corrected.

Unfortunately, there are very bad people!!! 

[cryptosize]

Is there any visible (not encrypted or external link) pedo pr0n jpeg in the BTC blockchain?

If so, all BTC nodes are illegal by definition.

Unfortunately, there are already much worse things on the Bitcoin blockchain:
Child abuse imagery found within bitcoin's blockchain (The Guardian)

I don't even want to imagine what a lot of Ordinals that have been moving/registered have...

So I guess it's illegal to have a BTC full node... I wonder why the authorities have done nothing about it.

[NotATether]

Is there any visible (not encrypted or external link) pedo pr0n jpeg in the BTC blockchain?

If so, all BTC nodes are illegal by definition.

Unfortunately, there are already much worse things on the Bitcoin blockchain:
Child abuse imagery found within bitcoin's blockchain (The Guardian)

I don't even want to imagine what a lot of Ordinals that have been moving/registered have...

So I guess it's illegal to have a BTC full node... I wonder why the authorities have done nothing about it.

It's because you can't easily access an illegal JPEG from pre-Ordinals days from the blockchain.

[joker_josue]

So I guess it's illegal to have a BTC full node... I wonder why the authorities have done nothing about it.

It's because you can't easily access an illegal JPEG from pre-Ordinals days from the blockchain.

They go after those who identify and share the blocks where this content is located, and teach how to access it.

With Ordinals, things can become a little different. Because access is easier and the quantity can also be much higher. That's why this issue of Ordinals is more than simply using the network freely.

Anyway... we're already doing a lot of offtopic.

[LoyceV]

Guys, in decentralization if you mean that no post will get removed and no topic or subject will get banned, then keep in mind that many people might also post some illegal and unwanted things. That will bring more problems.

Of course, for that reason peer-level-moderation is needed. Which means that yes, some content can be removed, and even should be removed. And who should do that?

Theymos wrote about this a while ago: something like the DefaultTrust system voting could work. But without some moderation and Merit requirement, DefaultTrust could be overrun by a 51% attack. So when it's fully decentralized, that may happen.

Is there any visible (not encrypted or external link) pedo pr0n jpeg in the BTC blockchain?

If so, all BTC nodes are illegal by definition.

Bitcoin nodes don't show images, and the Bitcoin blockchain doesn't support images. Anyone can give an external meaning to data, but that meaning is irrelevant without using external software. And if you want to search for illegal images, there's probably easier ways than searching the Bitcoin blockchain.

[JollyGood]

Which post you are replying to?

That is insane.

Terrible news and terrible decision. Whoever is arguing in favor of it is effectively a government censorship and anti-privacy shill.

[stwenhao]

DefaultTrust could be overrun by a 51% attack.

If that would be the case, then signet would be flooded by 51% attacks. But because blocks are signed, it is impossible to abuse that kind of network. Which means, if you have a good blacklist, and whitelist, then most of the traffic is ignored, and only some messages are included.

Also, note that at the beginning, there will be little or no traffic, and any tools for censoring content, will be introduced gradually, when network will grow. Because you may not remember those times, but it was possible in the past, to write posts on Bitcoin Forum (that was not yet called "bitcointalk", this name was formed later), without logging in. And it was disabled later, when Bitcoin became more popular. In the same way, decentralized forum can be formed: during the first days, it is unlikely to be flooded, if something is new and unpopular. It is more likely, that people will ask questions like "how to connect to decentralized forum?" or "how to sign a post?", in the same way, as they asked "how to unlock port 8333 on my router?".

[Rikafip]

Which post you are replying to?

He is obviously replying to theymos announcement. When generally replying to the original post, no need to quote it.

[JollyGood]

There is nothing pointing towards anything obvious. To me, it did not seem like he was replying to the OP because he stated: "That is insane. Terrible news and terrible decision.Whoever is arguing in favor of it is effectively a government censorship and anti-privacy shill". It seemed his comment was directed more towards a recent post (hence the question).

I doubt he would return to the forum after more than two years of absence to call theymos an anti-privacy shill and call him someone who is advocating for government censorship, that is I asked him who he was replying to.

Which post you are replying to?

He is obviously replying to theymos announcement. When generally replying to the original post, no need to quote it.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

There is nothing pointing towards anything obvious. To me, it did not seem like he was replying to the OP because he stated: "That is insane. Terrible news and terrible decision.Whoever is arguing in favor of it is effectively a government censorship and anti-privacy shill". It seemed his comment was directed more towards a recent post (hence the question).

I doubt he would return to the forum after more than two years of absence to call theymos an anti-privacy shill and call him someone who is advocating for government censorship, that is I asked him who he was replying to.

Which post you are replying to?

He is obviously replying to theymos announcement. When generally replying to the original post, no need to quote it.

You are an entertainer LOL

When generally replying to the original post, no need to quote it.

General sense, isn't it?

So I guess it's illegal to have a BTC full node... I wonder why the authorities have done nothing about it.

You must be joking. Bitcoin survived 1.5 half decade. They could not do anything.

[freedomno1]

Came by to say goodbye to the Mixer Era, it was part of the wild west of Bitcoin as it starts to become more of a Wall Street asset class, I will miss some of those crazy days. I guess we got to put on some suits and do the corporate tax shelter way of finance instead.
Can't have the common folk learn about tax shelters can we now.
Prepare the tax havens and offshore accounts, time to get this baby set back to Ireland and get the Double Irish Arrangement remade just like Apple does it

[Rikafip]

There is nothing pointing towards anything obvious.

Maybe not for you, but for me its pretty obvious at who he aimed that post.

I doubt he would return to the forum after more than two years of absence to call theymos an anti-privacy shill and call him someone who is advocating for government censorship

Or maybe its just another alt account from someone who is pissed off that mixer campaigns got banned? It woulndn't be the first nut accusing theymos of crazy stuff like working with goverment etc.

General sense, isn't it?

You know how they say, problem with common sesne is that is not so common. 

[PrimeNumber7]

Chipmixer campaign participants were goats.

Say what?

A "GOAT" is short for Greatest of all time.

Can wordfilters bot be more effective in catching links inserted between bbcode? I think this is a useful loophole for a while for mixer-managed shills. I can write unclickable links without worrying about getting filtered this way, and it will stay there if no one reports it

Spammers have been using hidden links for years.

This should discourage any non-Newbie from trying:

bypassing the wordfilter will get you banned.

Other than using URL shorteners, presumably, established forum members attempting to bypass the wordfiler with the purpose of reporting the problem to get the wordfilter improve is acceptable? yes?

[JollyGood]

I doubt he would return to the forum after more than two years of absence to call theymos an anti-privacy shill and call him someone who is advocating for government censorship

Or maybe its just another alt account from someone who is pissed off that mixer campaigns got banned? It woulndn't be the first nut accusing theymos of crazy stuff like working with goverment etc.

True, I have seen members say extremely strange things. When it comes to fringe element yes but even those who should know better. Some of them are in one moment praising him and giving him credit (including on occasion undue or excessive credit) and the next they are attacking him either at the forefront or subliminally because they disagree with a decision.

A "GOAT" is short for Greatest of all time.

In tennis, in my opinion I would suppose regardless of the number of grand slams won by Nadal and Djokovic,  I wonder what "SHEEP", "CAT", "DOG", "BIRD" and "BUFFALO" mean 

[LeGaulois]

I've to read everything again but I'm confused about something.

This topic was considered OK from Theymos POV.
He said something like "we will see how things are going but there's not much problem"
To my understanding, I can continue to update it

What about this one
Should it be locked or I can keep going on it?
As you can notice, I removed any URL, I only mention the names and it has been say we can still discuss mixers.
Otherwise, in a random discussion, we can talk about a mixer but not allowed to say the name?

Late but happy new year guys.

[Xal0lex]

What about this one
Should it be locked or I can keep going on it?
As you can notice, I removed any URL, I only mention the names and it has been say we can still discuss mixers.
Otherwise, in a random discussion, we can talk about a mixer but not allowed to say the name?

Late but happy new year guys.

I didn't delete or edit anything in my topic, the forum bot automatically did it all by itself. And, as you can see, my topic stayed afloat too. Therefore, I think it won't be a problem if we continue to manage our own topics. The main thing is that there are no links and no user redirections towards mixers.

P.S. Happy New Year to you too