Mixers to be banned

[OgNasty]

Anybody compiling any stats about how this change has already effected the community?  I'm curious if the amount of posts per day is down at all.  

Well, looking at the ninjastic.space graphs and without doing much math, the data looks very similar to previous weeks:


Therefore, I would say that there was not such a big impact on the pace of posts on the forum.

Very interesting.  Can someone explain the ebb and flow of this chart to me?  I've never really looked into or cared about forum stats before.  Are weekdays/weekends dramatically different and that's what we're seeing?  I suspect it'll take a while before any change in stats would show up, as I'm sure plenty of users are still delusional and think they'll be able to keep posting and change the forum's stance on mixers, or get accepted into another campaign (they probably will). 

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[NotATether]

Even funnier than that is the Contact page and the About Us link at the bottom leads to The Federal Criminal Police Office of Germany with the text 'Want to earn an honest living in crypto? Visit our career page!'.

...paid directly to your bank account via SEPA, wire transfer, or PayPal, after analyzing your ID, passport, criminal history, job history and doing a thorough background check on you using the country's intelligence agency, then yes, but it's not private, it's not really "crypto", and you'd be lucky if it was all "honest living".

[Medusah]

I suppose you are a partner of jambler, am I correct? That would explain your ease of mind

I am not paid by jambler to write in here, no.  I am pissed off about authorities shutting down mixers, but if you see the bright side, now people will make use of decentralized alternatives, which is the reason we have Bitcoin on the whole. 

[philipma1957]

I suppose you are a partner of jambler, am I correct? That would explain your ease of mind

I am not paid by jambler to write in here, no.  I am pissed off about authorities shutting down mixers, but if you see the bright side, now people will make use of decentralized alternatives, which is the reason we have Bitcoin on the whole. 

What I meant was the fact that they have a partner exactly with your username. However authorities are too stupid to realize that CEXs and banks are the biggest threats to their agenda as they operate with impunity, using bribery, exploiting all sorts of legal loopholes etc. Bitcoin just took that opportunity from banks and gave it to everyone willing to make the effort. That could be the reason as to why they are angry and why they sent their minion here to announce a take down.

I have to agree with you on one thing specifically, more they push, the more we succeed. Not to mention the biggest scam in 20th and 21st centuries is USD. go figure.

One could argue Nixon started to scam by leaving the gold standard that covers 1970 to now.

But off topic. I guess.

[Medusah]

What I meant was the fact that they have a partner exactly with your username.

I am, by no means, related to MedusaMixer.

However authorities are too stupid to realize that CEXs and banks are the biggest threats to their agenda as they operate with impunity, using bribery, exploiting all sorts of legal loopholes etc.

What you describe is a system which has given birth to the present authorities.  Bribing and lobbying is what makes the government so strong.  CEX and banks are not threats.  At cross-purposes, they can become their most effective weapon. 

[Synchronice]

I think it would be more useful to start to analyze the effects of this decision (on the community, not the mixers).

I think that ban on mixers and its signature campaigns won't affect the quality of content on this forum because those who are helpful and post genuine posts, are probably employed, have a good job in IT or programming and enjoy the time spent on this forum without signature campaigns.

Therefore, I would say that there was not such a big impact on the pace of posts on the forum.

All bark and no bite? Sure.

[joker_josue]

Very interesting.  Can someone explain the ebb and flow of this chart to me?  I've never really looked into or cared about forum stats before.  Are weekdays/weekends dramatically different and that's what we're seeing?  I suspect it'll take a while before any change in stats would show up, as I'm sure plenty of users are still delusional and think they'll be able to keep posting and change the forum's stance on mixers, or get accepted into another campaign (they probably will). 

Yes, the data is daily. And normally the number of posts decreases at the weekend, which I believe is a normal thing to happen.

In my opinion, I don't think we see much change because there are no mixer campaigns on the forum. Until 1~2 years ago, we practically only had the ChipMixer campaign. And that wasn't why there were fewer posts. So, I think everything will more or less stay the same. The difference is that some users will receive less money from the campaigns they participate in. Others, because of their level of activity on the forum, will prefer not to participate in campaigns with lower values. However, in the medium term everything will readjust and function normally, without major differences.

[Wiwo]

Anybody compiling any stats about how this change has already effected the community?  I'm curious if the amount of posts per day is down at all.  I'm also curious what the result for mixer signature campaign participants is.  Did they just move to other signature campaigns and continue their posting habits or did they leave the site altogether?  Has new account registrations been affected?  Are signature campaign managers being flooded with new requests?  Rather than continue to beat a dead horse about no longer allowing them to advertise based on money laundering, I think it would be more useful to start to analyze the effects of this decision (on the community, not the mixers).

Members of the forum are independent forum users,  and regardless of what signature they are out on,  it doesn't reflect much on their activities and posting habits,  unless for those who just want to go outside the box to act otherwise some time just a pay.

I haven't seen much change around since the December 31st deadline and I have seen the majority of those members who were one time promoting the service have worn another signature,  so I believe everyone has moved on, let's look forward to a positive 2024 because presently for the sake of forum members safety, we have to stay the way we represent.

[uchegod-21]

Anybody compiling any stats about how this change has already effected the community?  I'm curious if the amount of posts per day is down at all.  

Well, looking at the ninjastic.space graphs and without doing much math, the data looks very similar to previous weeks:


Therefore, I would say that there was not such a big impact on the pace of posts on the forum.

Very interesting.  Can someone explain the ebb and flow of this chart to me?  I've never really looked into or cared about forum stats before.  Are weekdays/weekends dramatically different and that's what we're seeing?  I suspect it'll take a while before any change in stats would show up, as I'm sure plenty of users are still delusional and think they'll be able to keep posting and change the forum's stance on mixers, or get accepted into another campaign (they probably will). 

Not only that, if you were kin enough, you would understand that quality posters in the mixer campaigns were already realigned by the campaign managers before the mixer ban was implemented. Also, if you check the service board there are campaigns still open to accept participants, but what really happened is that spammers will find it difficult to join campaigns as there is more competition in the forum.
Talking about people who are still posting with the mindset that theymos mixers decisions could be reversed, I'm not sure such people actually exists. Besides many people are already in the Altcoinstalks promoting mixers.

[rat03gopoh]

Can someone explain the ebb and flow of this chart to me?  I've never really looked into or cared about forum stats before.  Are weekdays/weekends dramatically different and that's what we're seeing? 

Yeah, I analyzed that the decrease in the number of posts occurred around weekends (Saturday-Monday), and special holidays.
I think we can't calculate the effectiveness of the impact of the mixer ban, if these statistics still include several boards that are excluded from being campaign spaces, usually altcoin (and childs) board.

[PrivacyG]

I am exhausted by the new rule already.  I absolutely HATE and despise having to live with a constant fear of getting auto banned for writing a post freely.

Already read the new changes many times and I keep returning to them almost every time I log in.  But I still do not understand a few things and I keep censoring myself to not trigger an automated negative event.  Can some body please reply with a yes / no answer only to the following questions,

Am I allowed to suggest other users to use Mixers as a way to Privacy?
I am allowed to mention Mixers unless their name is their website and I am allowed to discuss about them freely.  Right?

[JollyGood]

Thankfully many of us do not regularly write about mixers therefore we will not have to watch our steps as we write avoiding various words that include URLs (though mentioning mixers by name is allowed). It will be just a small number of members that will be worried about either being censored or being banned. As long as we post as usual but without promoting/endorsing mixers, there should not be any problems.

[BlackHatCoiner]

Am I allowed to suggest other users to use Mixers as a way to Privacy?

You're allowed. Discussion around mixers is allowed, and so is suggestion (e.g., I suggest you to look on that mixer from Jambler or BitMixList). What is not allowed is to promote them in signature space, avatar and personal text, or to post their URL using obfuscation techniques that would bypass their word filter measure.

I am allowed to mention Mixers unless their name is their website and I am allowed to discuss about them freely.  Right?

You're allowed to say "foomixer". You're not allowed to direct people to "https://foomixer.com". Probably just as you're allowed to say "Pirate bay", but prohibited from linking to their dark web URL.

Disclaimer that I'm not a mod, but this is what I understand from my jurisdiction.

[Cricktor]

I am allowed to mention Mixers unless their name is their website and I am allowed to discuss about them freely.  Right?

You're allowed to say "foomixer". You're not allowed to direct people to "https://foomixer.com". Probably just as you're allowed to say "Pirate bay", but prohibited from linking to their dark web URL.

Disclaimer that I'm not a mod, but this is what I understand from my jurisdiction.

As far as I understood theymos' current ruleset about mixers, you're allowed to say foobarmixer but not foobarmixer.io when the website of this mixer is actually https://foobarmixer.io. Apparently you're not allowed to direct users to this mixers by providing a working link with bbcode tags [url]https://foobarmixer.io[/url] or [url=https://foobarmixer.io]whatever describes foobarmixer[/url], nor you're allowed to promote or advertise foobarmixer in any way obvious.

Deliberate attempts to avoid or bypass the forum's wordfilters for mixers will get you banned.

This is mostly what BlackHatCoiner said, just a bit more specific to make it less ambigous.

My interpretation here in this post is not complete as I omitted the rules relating to personal text, signature space, personal website link, ...
I wanted to clarify what BlackHatCoiner said and ease PrivacyG's concerns. I'm not stressed by the mixer rules, I'm not happy either. Can't always have the cherry on the cake, have to move on.

What could be promotion? As general talking about mixers is still allowed, I wouldn't interpret highlighting the importance of mixing coins to make analysis of their exact history unfeasible or simply for own privacy reasons as promotion.

Rules that allow an interpretation wiggle room are problematic as everybody likely has its personal interpretation of it. It's not easy to find rules with little to no interpretation wiggle room and I only hope that mods and admins act fair with the ban hammer.

[LoyceV]

I am exhausted by the new rule already.  I absolutely HATE and despise having to live with a constant fear of getting auto banned for writing a post freely.

I don't think you understand what Autoban means: it's not automatic, it's just a (weird) name for a manual ban. Unless you put in an effort to break the rules, I don't think you have much to worry about! I'm pretty sure I can mention [banned mixer] and [banned mixer] (and yes, I checked the Preview for this, and then changed the URLs into [banned mixer] myself just to be sure) without getting banned, simply because the URLs won't even show up. You'll get banned if you start obfuscating the URL to avoid the wordfilter, so by promoting k.i.t.c.h.e.n.a.i.d.com for the best mixers (according to my wife). As long as you don't do crazy shit, I don't think you have anything to worry about.

[OgNasty]

Why is Jambler still allowed to advertise here? It is clearly a mixer that is advertising the creation of other mixers to users here. This is arguably worse than previous mixers because it is a serious exit scam threat if it grows in popularity. Do we have to wait for a hack to launder their funds through a jambler partner for them to get shut down and everyone have their funds seized before taking action on them advertising here?

[icopress]

Why is Jambler still allowed to advertise here? It is clearly a mixer that is advertising the creation of other mixers to users here. This is arguably worse than previous mixers because it is a serious exit scam threat if it grows in popularity. Do we have to wait for a hack to launder their funds through a jambler partner for them to get shut down and everyone have their funds seized before taking action on them advertising here?

Jesus Christ ... what a hypocrite you are.

After I made it clear to you that I would not follow your lead, you started running around the forum and sending spam.

I think this describes you perfectly as a person.

[Medusah]

Why is Jambler still allowed to advertise here? It is clearly a mixer that is advertising the creation of other mixers to users here.

Jambler is a tool that allows you to create mixers.  It is not itself a mixer.

We are the first platform that allows anyone to create their own business and profit from cryptoanonymization services, you can become both a partner and an investor. Jambler itself does not interact directly with clients. This approach is very similar to a referral program and avoids conflicts of interest between the platform and partners.

If we introduce a rule that prohibits from directing people to mixers then ban google, facebook and everything outside bitcointalk.

[arabspaceship123]

Jambler and Wasabi Wallet aren't banned because theymos said non mixing exchangers, CoinJoin supporting non custodial wallets & Monero won't be banned.

Why is Jambler still allowed to advertise here? It is clearly a mixer that is advertising the creation of other mixers to users here. This is arguably worse than previous mixers because it is a serious exit scam threat if it grows in popularity. Do we have to wait for a hack to launder their funds through a jambler partner for them to get shut down and everyone have their funds seized before taking action on them advertising here?

Examples of things that are not banned mixers include exchangers (unless they have a mixing function), CoinJoin-supporting non-custodial wallets, and Monero.

[OgNasty]

Jambler and Wasabi Wallet aren't banned because theymos said non mixing exchangers, CoinJoin supporting non custodial wallets & Monero aren't banned.

Why is Jambler still allowed to advertise here? It is clearly a mixer that is advertising the creation of other mixers to users here. This is arguably worse than previous mixers because it is a serious exit scam threat if it grows in popularity. Do we have to wait for a hack to launder their funds through a jambler partner for them to get shut down and everyone have their funds seized before taking action on them advertising here?

Examples of things that are not banned mixers include exchangers (unless they have a mixing function), CoinJoin-supporting non-custodial wallets, and Monero.

I can understand the stance on Wasabi wallet. What they are doing is different than a mixer, I agree. I don’t think theymos’ statements cover jambler though. It is very clearly a mixer no matter how they try to spin it and the only possible outcome for it in my opinion is being shut down and everyone losing their funds once a hack is laundered through one of their partners. After warning everyone about ChipMixer in advance and being 100% correct and then being the first person to say that the forum would have to remove mixers from advertising here and being 100% correct, it’s only right I sound the horn about jambler. Go against me if you want, I’m rarely on the wrong side of history.