new law by theymos to disallow mixers in the forum

[SmartGold01]

Happy new month with a sad news from our 001 wey be Theymos carry tori come this afternoon about mixers and the information wey dey go on and how the law enforcement agency dey take seized mixers e no too go well maybe with wetin him consider as well come make am put head together to limit their operation from for this forum. I know say e go affect many of us but like almost everyone for the forum dey promotion them and na mixer campaign come plenty pass self, well make i no too go further because him don give us small grace from now till January 1 2024 to stop promoting mixers or even refer person to use am maybe even trying to copy any link that relates with mixers if them see such post that person go get ban. Any person wey mentioned mixers go get ban.. for general anything mixers avoid am from forum. So like this those our sister and brother wey promote mixers including me as well before 31st night I go remove my signature code all less him come change the otherwise I will say goodbye to mixers since general oga don yan like this..

So I quote am like this make you too for see wetin him cap for that thread..

Bitcointalk.org aims to allow about as much freedom as is reasonably possible. But this is not a darknet forum, and with mixers looking "grayer and grayer", it's no longer reasonably possible to allow linking to mixers. Even though "a cryptocurrency mixing service is not necessarily illegal," a clear pattern has emerged where mixers pop up, last for a little while, and then get taken down by law enforcement once they get too big. Allowing mixers to be posted on bitcointalk.org before they seemingly-inevitably get declared illegal and seized is not sustainable. Therefore, linking to mixers will no longer be allowed, just the same as linking to darknet sites is already not allowed.

To avoid disruption, there will be a grace period: Nothing will change until Jan 1, 2024.

Starting Jan 1, 2024:
 - Existing mixer announcement topics (and a few topics that have no value without mixer-links) will be locked and archived.
 - Going forward, directing people to mixers in new posts/edits will be totally disallowed, and doing so could lead to a ban. Many mixer URLs will be wordfiltered-out, and if you bypass the wordfilter, then that'll definitely be ban-worthy.
 - Any remaining mixer signatures (etc.) may be deleted. Anyone persisting in advertising mixers will be banned.
 - In most cases, old posts will not be deleted. Nobody should be banned for old posts.

You do not need to go edit/delete your past posts. Links will be automatically wordfiltered-out as of Jan 1, or in a few cases mods will archive or delete posts, but you will not be banned for old mixer-related posts.

It will continue to be OK to discuss mixers in a general sort of way. Just don't direct people to mixers: don't link to a mixer, don't link to a directory with links to mixers, don't tell people to "Google ASDFmixer", don't link to a mixer's telegram, etc.

Definition of a mixer

For clarity, here is a detailed definition of what we mean by a "mixer". Most people know intuitively what a mixer is and don't have to read this.

Something is considered a mixer if it meets all of these requirements:
 1. It has a feature advertised for taking property, improving its privacy somehow, and then returning roughly the same type of property.
     a. Even though you can sometimes use non-mixers to mix coins by depositing and then withdrawing, this doesn't make it a mixer because this is an incidental use of the service; the service isn't advertised as privacy-enhancing.
     b. If a site is not primarily a mixer but has a mixer function, such as a mixer function on a gambling website, then the whole site is considered a mixer.
     c. If the site takes coins, gives you a possibly-transferrable IOU, and will convert this IOU back into mixed coins much later, then the temporary conversion into a different type of property does not prevent it from being considered a mixer.
     d. If the site internally converts your deposit into other things as part of its mixing, but ultimately the point of the product is to get your original type of property back, then that's a mixer, not an exchanger.
 2. It is possible for the mixer to steal property passing through it. Assume that the sender does everything as correctly as possible. Also assume that no miners/verifiers on the base-layer cryptocurrency are evil. But assume that every other actor involved is evil (everyone able to vote in a DAO, every coordination server, every counterparty, every member of a multisig, etc.). Ignore short-term software bugs which are expected to be quickly fixed.
 3. The service does not collect KYC-type info from all users.

Examples of things that are not banned mixers include exchangers (unless they have a mixing function), CoinJoin-supporting non-custodial wallets, and Monero.

Abeg settle down read am before you go say you no see am especially those of our people wey no like to post for Meta no talk say you no get the update on time because I know say our people dey funny at times.
Na small update I say make i carry come home be that.

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[Makus]

Omor this news go really affect the forum well well, and as e be say na ogha naim talk am na to just dey prepare how to take drop the signature avatar and links, because if person go mistakenly carry this signature enter next year na wahala be that oo.  Abeg oo this one wey em just burst out come stop mixers make em no reason to also stop signature campaigns in general oo, because nothing wey em nor ho fit do oo. Chaiii, for safety reasons abeg make any body wey get that signature for account remove am before on the 30th oo. Op thank you very much for this update, you na correct guy.

[Richbased]

This is a very huge blow on people that are promoting mixers signature campaigns and considering the fact that most of our brothers are in Mixers signature campaigns makes it even more disappointing, well since this order is coming from the highest order for the forum wey be theymos make people wey dey Mixers campaigns begin to dey replan now before the ultimatum date go reach as Oyibo man no dey like Naija where be say when them give order then certain people go still dey prove stubborn dey do am. Na wa o, e hard o because now people wey dey Mixers now go dey run kitikiti katakata to go dey join other campaigns wey no be Mixers thereby it will be very difficult now for people like us now wey still dey build account to see signature campaigns wey we go enter when we don rank up. Chaii there is God o

[Lida93]

It's sad though there is nothing to be done other than this to save the forum from been affiliated with the illegal activities but that doesn't mean mixers are illegal.

Just as what @Brainboss... said, it's a new decoy by the government to frustrate the fundamentals and campaign for privacy among cryptocurrency users, they just by all means want to control everything we do on the internet and in our daily living. The government are always paranoid and anxious for nothing and whatever fruit that doesn't support their policies they look for a reason to bring it down before it germinates.

If privacy isn't very crucial as some of us assume, then why do the government always kick against anything that gives us privacy??? Think about it.

[Joy_learns_crypto]

I greet all of Una, me I think wetin theymos do no really bad, because we go all confirm say this mixer something don cause Many many wahala, and wetin happen with chipmixer the thing no come make sense.
This mixer something has client way get bad records and I think say theymos no want make the forum dey involved in any drama

[Jegileman]

Dis no make sense to many people wey dey actually advertise their mixing companies now in d forum. But to keep the forum safe, him suppose take dis hard decision wey him just yarn so now. If tomorrow we wake up come see say dem don seize d forum or e don dey seized to exist, e don do be dat o and na dat time we go dey begin vex say him suppose don do am tey tey. To keep d forum save for all of us and dos wey go dey affected if anything come happen in d future, dis decision no bad but I still dey wish say way go fit dey where dem fit regulate dis thing sha. But all is well and for d betterment of all in the forum.

[Cryptoprincess101]

Hmmm this matter tie wrapper o when e be say na this Mixers signature campaigns na in they pay pass sef wetin dey worry our government now abi Dem wan monopolize everything wey dey happen for the world? Them no even wan carry there ear hear anything about non governmental organization, anything wey no dey favour Dem na so Dem go wan bring the thing down, this one na big problem too o oya with the number of people wey dey represent this Mixers campaigns Dem how Dem go come do am now na, all this our government Dem just wan anyway wey Dem go comot food for our table but anyhow wey e b na God pass man as everything for this planet one day go get expiry date

[Mayor of ogba]

Omo, this one na late news for this week o, this thing go affects people wey they promote the mixer signature campaign when the deadline don reached because na the mixers signature campaigns most of our sisters/brothers they do. Make we try to remove anything that will make us look like wey they promote mixers before the deadline go reached so that our account will not be banned as person wey be number one man for the forum don talk.

[Y3shot]

This na very painful news but anyway our oga boss know the reasons why him no want make forum members promote mixers again.  Maybe boss go don see say this mixers fit get a negative side effect for the forum, but still nothing still spoil because we no too get plenty mixers campaign for the forum.  Majority of campaign in the forum na na casino campaigns. But name we no let this news  to disturb your mind nothing spoil. Whether campaign or not this forum go still be interesting place wey everyone go still enjoy.

[Agbe]

As you bring am come here e good because many of our people dey fear to enter Meta. So let them read am from here, omen that matter e get as e be but since na di forum admin nai take di decision so nothing go change again. We know say mixers signature campaigns nai dey pay well, and since mixers e no dey again which company go come over take dem. Though I'm dey try to make sure say make the forum e dey clean from bad bad thing. Because if im allow them to run in the forum USA government go come ban di forum because dem go accused am say, the forum dey promote criminal activities in the internet so for im to avoid all these kind of talk make im first ban dem so that authorities no go accused am again. Omen no be bobo juice, to use mixer dey mix coin dey sweet die. I used tumbler mixer to mix coin when dey come first on the first day. As some people make comment on the thread in Meta say, there are some legal mixers in google so anyone who want to mix coin go there and search for them nd use them. But you have to be careful because mixer na anonymous and nai make the ones wey been dey the forum were the best once to use. Because like this na, you know go bring complain from a mixer outside the forum come here and if you try am then you want to ban your account here. The oga kpatakpata don warn say make we no even bring a link of a mixer to the forum.

Make Everyone Stay Safe

[sokani]

Omo... I've been offline since morning, just came online few minutes ago only to see this message from Theymos. This na very sad news ooo, knowing that the time of mixers has to an end on the forum. No be the first time wey government dey seize mixers wey dey run their ads here, so for Theymos to reach this decision, e get how e be, but I believe na for the good of the forum. With everything wey dey go on concerning the lastest one wey government seized, I believe na to shield the forum that's why him come up with this big decision. This one na big blow to the community because na mixers plenty for signature campaigns.

[Wiwo]

Nice update,  and on time,  bad actors have taken over the internet and I am glad that the forum admin has clearly taken steps to disassociate the forum from all bad actors and darknets,  I am glad this is coming at this point because I am done worry well well because of this thing,  e better safe than sorry,  no matter how many mixers dey pay for the forum,  e no fit equal to person safety.

We know say privacy is gradually losing its place,  but then we hope for a better future that can guarantee the safe existence of both the forum and its members.

[Marykeller]

Na really a black Friday give the forum as peso talk for Meta board wia this post originated from.

Since the whole of today na about this mixer post I d read for Meta board and I d watch closely whether there will a change of thought towards am. None of such pertaining to that has happened other than all mixer campaign to be ban for the forum starting from Jan 1, 2024.

This can be hard for some people for the forum to accept completely but wetin dem go do than to deal with the fact that this is done to save the forum and the individuals identity. Em no go make sense for government agency to begin sanction the btt forum or shut it down completely all because em d promote a mixer wey d involve for money laundering.

Em better make we all deal with all mixer campaign being remove from the forum even em go pain us and look forward for better upcoming years wey the forum go excel more.


It is well for those wey people d existing mixer campaigns wey this go affect wella. Make una take heart. This is not done intentionally na to save the forum since the btt forum d for US soil

[GiftedMAN]

This na very painful news but anyway our oga boss know the reasons why him no want make forum members promote mixers again.  Maybe boss go don see say this mixers fit get a negative side effect for the forum, but still nothing still spoil because we no too get plenty mixers campaign for the forum.  Majority of campaign in the forum na na casino campaigns. But name we no let this news  to disturb your mind nothing spoil. Whether campaign or not this forum go still be interesting place wey everyone go still enjoy.

I believe say the decision wey our OGA for forum take na better one and na for betterment of the forum and her members even though say e go choke some of us because na the mixers dey pay well pass for the forum, one thing wey our OGA no talk be say weda na government sanction am to take the decision or em see the bad omen wey the mixers go bring in future as them dey get serious matter with government na why em gats ban them to avoid anything wey go affect the forum because of the problems wey dey associated with the mixers and government.

Mixers campaign no too plenty but the ones wey dey dey pay well na why I been dey saddened by this decision and another thing be say who knows wetin government go bring out again since them don succeed to take down mixers now them go really wam dey put eyes on Bitcoin it self again because they have never liked the existence of Bitcoin in the first place, make we see how the whole matter go end.

[Stable090]

I greet all of Una, me I think wetin theymos do no really bad, because we go all confirm say this mixer something don cause Many many wahala, and wetin happen with chipmixer the thing no come make sense.
This mixer something has client way get bad records and I think say theymos no want make the forum dey involved in any drama

Dis one na bad news for people wey dey promote mixer for here ooo, plenty people go lose campaign because of Wetin our oga wan do, but we all know say na for safety of the forum, dis one wey most of the mixers wey dem dey seize, dem dey always link am to forum, make e no come be like say e go later cause problem for forum, because we no sabi d next mixer wey dem go get issue with again, so e better make him just stop mixer campaigns. Anybody wey dey campaign wey be mixer, make him start to dey hustle for slot for other campaigns, any opportunity wey dem get now, make dem put head, but I dey sure say by next year, we go see more companies wey go wan market for forum here, work go plenty again. And for people wey dey campaign wey no be mixer, Abeg make we try carry work serious now, because most managers go dey shuffle people now, they will want the best people to market for them.

[rachael9385]

I really dey short of words when I come across that new rule by @Theymos, bit sha as I reason am e no bad because everything nah just for the forum to dey safe and secure so that the us government no go close am down or seize am like them do Sinbad.
Watin I go fit talk be say, we nah Africans and again we dey easily adapt to many things, so nah just with time things go still dey normal as e be say this new rule no be the first one for the way @Theymos done drop for here.
If mixer stop at least the forum still dey promote casinos, so I no really think if e go affect the forum in any way, but watin I just observe be say, a lot of competitions go dey, I no really know how but my instincts dey tell me so.

[Mate2237]

I really dey short of words when I come across that new rule by @Theymos, bit sha as I reason am e no bad because everything nah just for the forum to dey safe and secure so that the us government no go close am down or seize am like them do Sinbad.
Watin I go fit talk be say, we nah Africans and again we dey easily adapt to many things, so nah just with time things go still dey normal as e be say this new rule no be the first one for the way @Theymos done drop for here.
If mixer stop at least the forum still dey promote casinos, so I no really think if e go affect the forum in any way, but watin I just observe be say, a lot of competitions go dey, I no really know how but my instincts dey tell me so.

Im dey protect the interest of the forum so any company wey dey related to criminals activities, he would not allow to do any business with the company because it will affect the reputation of the forum. But he said, let two mixers should stay in the forum and from weti some people dey say there be say, he is trying to allow only mixers wey dey do KYC and dat one no be di real mean of a mixer. Though everyone dey surprised weti dey happened. Even Chip Mixer own sef na so di thing happened. But weti dey surprised people pass be say as dem refilled di wallet address naim everything Casablanca.

And like dis now e don be e don be. Mixers dey create traffic and quality poster na there dem dey go pass di average Posters. Now dat di matter be like dis those quality posters come dey drag spot with the average Posters lolz. Finally dem go receive 80 plus dollar.

[Majestic-milf]

 For me, it's better to dey safe than to be sorry. Although this news go greatly affect the forum and those wey dey try to advertise their business, but Theymos don see say e no go make sense to lose the forum all because say e wan save a few bucks. These law enforcement agencies eye dey red for where all these mixers dey and instead of a situation wer him go look like conspirators, e beta to comot body. I just hope them rectify this issue quickly and make e no go cause greater gone.

 To the Op, nah beta info you bring like dis but I feel say e no dey necessary. Some of us wey dey here fit don respond for that thread wey Theymos create for Meta and e go come be like repetition if them reply here and e go come look like spam. If them no fit go there read the stuff, and you see say e go dey helpful here, you for kuku add link so person go really know wetin dey sup.

[Makus]

Normally we no say na for the betterment of the forum, naim make Theymos take this decision so, and if to say na any of us dey for em shoe na the same we for for do unless say we no like make the forum continue to dey stand because, the issue wey dey ground big pass wattin only one individual go fight for, only Theymos no go fit go fight government, besides the matter sef na money laundering mater, so e better as em commot body if not, Dem for say em sef d y benefit from the money laundery act. So we suppose understand say as a leader e get plenty decision wey you go take wey fit no dey ok with em subject dem at first but with time dem go come dey see the reason why. Na everybody the thing dey pain both outsiders of this local board, so e touch everybody round. However make we just dey pray for more casino campaigns to come so that the campaign go reach everybody.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Honestly eeh, the ban on mixers na really bad news to be honest, me never promote any mixer through my signature ad campaign before ooh, but I dey always dey happy for other users wey dey promote them, since no be all of us gambling casinos go hire for their signature ad campaign, and where the thing even pain me pass be say, na mixers dey pay better money for their signature ad on this forum, this na really a heart breaking news sincerely.

But on the other hand, if theymos feel say this bad is really needed for the sake of the forum, that is, for the long term operation of this forum, then, I believe say we all have no choice but to stick with his decision, after all, na him dey oversee to the affairs of this forum, he possibly dey see wetin non of us here dey see, so personally, if this ban is really needed to make sure say this forum go continue to be online for as long as eternity, then, make we all take heart, Las Las, we all go dey alright.