Where the mixers will promote their projects?

[Solosanz]

After read this thread Mixers to be banned, there's a question popped into my head.

Which site or forum that these centralized mixers will promote their projects?

Or these mixers will don't have any medias to promote except volunteering by themselves? maybe hire someone who willing to shills/spams?

AFAIK there's no rule to promote other site or forum in Bitcointalk, maybe if someone know about decentralized place, feel free to suggest and it might help the mixers.

[TryNinja]

Darknet sites, probably?

Drug-related forums, marketplaces, etc...

Basically: legit users will have a harder time finding legit ones; criminals will still have access to it.

[_act_]

Basically: legit users will have a harder time finding legit ones; criminals will still have access to it.

This is just it that you said. What I think more about what is going to happen is that legit users may not know about mixers again except the one users, but new users that have intention of criminality will still know what mixers are and they will still use it. The criminals will still see ways to do their work.

[CaptainLance]

Legitimate mixers won't have any issues promoting their services in various platforms. There are social medias whic everyone uses. Plus, a person who knows what a mixer is, definitely knows how to google search a legitimate mixing service.

[PX-Z]

I mentioned in on other thread, that they could at least make a PR, blog posts, vlogs, and other crypto-related websites that accepts ad posting on their sites. Since there is no paying signature campaign in other forums, say darknet forums, so i don't think they will keep promoting there like pay per post.

There are social medias whic everyone uses. Plus, a person who knows what a mixer is, definitely knows how to google search a legitimate mixing service.

They can create an account there for regular posting but there's no way they will be accepted to create ads for promotions.

[TryNinja]

Plus, a person who knows what a mixer is, definitely knows how to google search a legitimate mixing service.

You would be surprised.

The reason so many scam ones exist is because they make money.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Which site or forum that these centralized mixers will promote their projects?

Or these mixers will don't have any medias to promote except volunteering by themselves? maybe hire someone who willing to shills/spams?

There are other blog and media platforms, Review sites, other forums etc

Bitcointalk signature advertising was quite unique for them, but there are other places the mixers can advertise from. If you want to prove this, just Google up one of those old mixers that was not advertising in the forum like cryptomixer

[aioc]

Google is not banning mixers and platforms that review and advertise mixers so a user will just have to type the word mixer, unless Google filters out mixer keywords and platforms that advertise and promote mixers, you can still find them here in the mainnet not only on the darknet and other online communities discuss and promote mixers like Reddit.

Maybe in the future when US authorities request the major search engines to ban Mixers from showing up in search queries and request domain registrar and hosting to ban mixers that will be the time that we will not see mixers on the internet only on the darknet.

[salad daging]

Maybe they will turn to forums > bitcoinforum.com but I'm not sure the mixer will do promotions there. 

After knowing this maybe the mixer platforms will try to find a way to advertise again with some other forums or they can hire influencers to promote.

In the future we will know they announced about this advertisement, or maybe they will switch from mixer to BTC > XMR > BTC exchange platform as mentioned in that thread.

[LTU_btc]

For legitimate mixers it will be much more difficult to promote their services. It's not just Bitcointalk, but in general, mixers  now aren't welcomed on most of mainstream websites. I'm not sure that they can buy ads on Google, Youtube, Twitter or Facebook. Maybe Telegram is still an option for them, but when there is so many scams there, it's far from being perfect place. Same about Darknet. I'm sure that number of scams related with mixers is going to increase significantly, but as I understand that you won't be even allowed to make scam accusation about mixer on Bitcointalk.

Plus, a person who knows what a mixer is, definitely knows how to google search a legitimate mixing service.

You have way too good opinion about people.

[The Cryptovator]

There should be mixers monitoring sites like BestChange. So everyone would get the services from there, but it will be hard since Mixer won't offer any affiliates for that. However, they can still promote mixers in other forums, or they might run ads where it is accepted. But for users who want to use real services, they would be hard to find. Scammers will take advantage of disabling mixer services. Also, there are many mixer campaigns ongoing, and many forum users are related to them. So everyone will lose their campaigns. But we have to follow the forum rules anyway.

[khaled0111]

There should be mixers monitoring sites like BestChange. So everyone would get the services from there, but it will be hard since Mixer won't offer any affiliates for that.

This is a good idea! Not really sure but I believe there are some mixers which have affiliate programs and reward users for attracting new customers.
Maybe someone will do it for free without expecting any return or can add an address for donations!
The real question is where the monitoring site owner is going to promote this website? He definitely won't be able to promote it on this forum as even linking to a website that links to a mixer is prohibited according to the new rules.

[logfiles]

There should be mixers monitoring sites like BestChange.

Interesting. I believe some of such site exist in the darkweb. The problem is finding them.

The clearnet is just a tip of the iceberg compared to the dark web. The problem with the dark web is that it's just too wild for a normal user. Lots of all kinds of things there.

.... So everyone would get the services from there, but it will be hard since Mixer won't offer any affiliates for that.

They would be forced to create affiliate programs since there are no more bitcointalk signature campaigns. In fact, I think I have seen some mixers with affiliate programs.

Also, just because Bitcointalk has banned signature campaigns for mixers does not mean an end to them on the clearnet. There are sites like Quora, Reddit, guru99.com, YouTube, Yahoo Finance etc

[coin-investor]

After read this thread Mixers to be banned, there's a question popped into my head.

Which site or forum that these centralized mixers promote their projects?

It's not a question of where to promote as long as Google is not banning Bitcoin mixers and the authorities are not requesting or instructing domain registrar and hosting to host these Bitcoin mixers they will continue to exist, Bitcointalk is just one of the platforms out of hundred platforms like Reddit, forums and reviewers they will still have a presence, the question is how users are going to find out about which Bitcoin mixers are legit and are not because Bitcointalk is a place where you can discover legit websites.
There are so many fake mixers on the internet and Bitcointalk is a place where they expose, because this is a discussion community their presence will still be felt because it has a huge market

[Darker45]

Words spread fast these days. How do you think did the Lazarus group hear about Blender, Tornado Cash, Chipmixer, Sinbad, and others? Bitcointalk.org? I don't think so.

It's not as if this forum is the last bastion for all these players, not even in the surface web. And the surface web isn't probably the playground for the likes of this group. The deep web and the dark web are a wider playground for them. I think news about a new mixer would spread out pretty quick in those areas.

[NotATether]

There should be mixers monitoring sites like BestChange. So everyone would get the services from there, but it will be hard since Mixer won't offer any affiliates for that.

This is a good idea! Not really sure but I believe there are some mixers which have affiliate programs and reward users for attracting new customers.

I have some spare hosting capacity at Hostinger that I could allocate for this project, but I need to check to make sure my hosting account won't get banned for that (LOL!)

Obviously, no links to dead mixers, no Sinbad or other darknet sites, only the mainstream mixers.

I'm a bit concerned about posting an affiliate link though, because that opens up a whole new avenue of litigation (that merely advertisement does not).

[hugeblack]

I do not think that ads on Google will ban such services, and perhaps to a lesser extent some social media, but in the end the forum was the best place because of the presence of a large database and the ease of making payments in Bitcoin, so that there is a guarantee of some kind of privacy, while most other places will need to pay either through traditional methods or The database will be smaller than the current one.


The most important question is, will some mixing services make fundamental modifications to be compatible with the changes that have occurred to the forum?

[Synchronice]

There should be mixers monitoring sites like BestChange. So everyone would get the services from there, but it will be hard since Mixer won't offer any affiliates for that.

No, mixers offer affiliate marketing. For example, YoMix and Tumber have an affiliate marketing that you can check on their website.

Words spread fast these days. How do you think did the Lazarus group hear about Blender, Tornado Cash, Chipmixer, Sinbad, and others? Bitcointalk.org? I don't think so.

It's not as if this forum is the last bastion for all these players, not even in the surface web. And the surface web isn't probably the playground for the likes of this group. The deep web and the dark web are a wider playground for them. I think news about a new mixer would spread out pretty quick in those areas.

To be honest, I think that Lazarus group is a fictional group. It doesn't make sense for North Korea to have so talented hackers, even if they are protected by the government, it still doesn't make sense if we keep in mind the philosophy of that country. Also, Lazarus group has so much money and so many talented people, they could run their own mixer/coinjoin services instead of using someone else's.

I have some spare hosting capacity at Hostinger that I could allocate for this project, but I need to check to make sure my hosting account won't get banned for that (LOL!)

Hostinger is not a good idea, have much more look in depth. There are tons of pirate websites in Russia and it looks like Russian government is more than open to allow someone to host something that has a negative impact or is against the US policy. It would be wiser to use Russian local host that will allow this but it wont' be easy to find if you don't understand Russian.

Obviously, no links to dead mixers, no Sinbad or other darknet sites, only the mainstream mixers.

It's a bold statement to say no Sinbad or other darknet sites. In the end, every mixer will get the label that Sinbad got recently. It's me who thinks that I shouldn't be punished if I want to protect my privacy because others abuse this service.

[ABCbits]

maybe if someone know about decentralized place, feel free to suggest and it might help the mixers.

There are few decentralized place such as Nostr. Although i've no idea how mixers should promote their service on such place while remain on-topic on place they visit.

Google is not banning mixers and platforms that review and advertise mixers so a user will just have to type the word mixer, unless Google filters out mixer keywords and platforms that advertise and promote mixers, you can still find them here in the mainnet not only on the darknet and other online communities discuss and promote mixers like Reddit.

It wouldn't be fun job for those who tasked to perform SEO, they'll have to compete with other and fake mixers for top search result while remain looking convincing.

[rat03gopoh]

I have not found a clearnet forum that is worthy of being a competitor of bitcointalk except reddit.

To be honest, I think that Lazarus group is a fictional group. It doesn't make sense for North Korea to have so talented hackers, even if they are protected by the government, it still doesn't make sense if we keep in mind the philosophy of that country. Also, Lazarus group has so much money and so many talented people, they could run their own mixer/coinjoin services instead of using someone else's.

I kind of agree with this, I think it's just a result of investigators' inability to track crimes, why not just say that these criminals are in extreme areas that they can't access. Or (random thingking), it's actually a concocted "project" to confiscate the multimillion dollar money resstrained in a mixer.