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December 09, 2023, 02:19:28 AM
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I will start with Hacksaw and Wazdan... In my experience, these two are the worst of them all! Almost impossible to hit some bonus round with normal spins, and most bonus rounds pays under x10...

But as you suggest more providers I will add them to the poll. So let's find the worst provider ever! Smiley
I will not argue with Hacksaw as from my own experience and yes the worst ever though this is just about the listed and our experiences but now about all of the Slot provider in the world and about the experience of others.

second to my list is No-Limit , similar problem with my friend that  not even going with their fairplay , in which what needed in slot machines that we are not allow to see what is happening inside the machine but just the result is what given to us.

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December 09, 2023, 12:57:53 PM
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I will start with Hacksaw and Wazdan... In my experience, these two are the worst of them all! Almost impossible to hit some bonus round with normal spins, and most bonus rounds pays under x10...

But as you suggest more providers I will add them to the poll. So let's find the worst provider ever! Smiley
I will not argue with Hacksaw as from my own experience and yes the worst ever though this is just about the listed and our experiences but now about all of the Slot provider in the world and about the experience of others.

second to my list is No-Limit , similar problem with my friend that  not even going with their fairplay , in which what needed in slot machines that we are not allow to see what is happening inside the machine but just the result is what given to us.
Hacksaw is a provider of slots that are very difficult to win. I've tried it in slot games from the Hacksaw provider but have never won big. Perhaps it's just a small win that doesn't even break. But I might still try playing slots from this Hacksaw provider, and hopefully, I can be lucky and get a big win.

No-Limit providers also find it difficult to win their slot games. But even so, I once earned two decent returns that exceeded my break-even point. And after that, it was very rare for me to win. But slot games from any provider will definitely be difficult to win because this slot game depends on the luck we have.

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January 27, 2024, 01:02:58 PM
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I don’t want to start a topic just to share my experience on a bad slot provider so I just want to drop my experience here to bump this thread and avoid multiple thread for same discussion.

I recently discovered a local online casino in my country using a mobile wallet app and I become gullible to try slot games from unknown providers. I want to specifically brought up here JILI and FA Chai provider since most of their slot games is bullshit and not even worthy to try. Most of their games offers only x1000 max win in average while the volatility is too high on this game which is very hard to win even small on normal spin.

I notice that this provider is already starting to spread even on big crypto casino here which I forgot the name. But beware on using this provider because it will just drain your bankroll hard without giving much return.

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February 16, 2024, 09:16:31 AM
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Hacksaw is a provider of slots that are very difficult to win. I've tried it in slot games from the Hacksaw provider but have never won big. Perhaps it's just a small win that doesn't even break. But I might still try playing slots from this Hacksaw provider, and hopefully, I can be lucky and get a big win.

No-Limit providers also find it difficult to win their slot games. But even so, I once earned two decent returns that exceeded my break-even point. And after that, it was very rare for me to win. But slot games from any provider will definitely be difficult to win because this slot game depends on the luck we have.
You need more money to be able to play longer if you choose Hacksaw provider to play, there the minimum bet amount is quite large and if you only have small amount of money then you will lose all the money without any wins that can be said worthy.
I feel that the slot games in the Hacksaw provider will only be able to be won by gamblers who are generous and able to use big money to really win, this is a real thing that I also experienced.
I tried the slot game provided by Hacksaw several times out of curiosity because it was difficult to win, but in the end all attempts to play failed and only left me with frustration because I lost the entire money deposited without any return.
Actually slots are games that have RTP, but in games provided by Hacksaw, it seems that RTP really doesn't apply and this is the most difficult game in slots.

But I wouldn't say that Hacksaw is the worst slot game provider because many big gamblers are loyal to this type of slot game, those who are able to play well will get big wins.
I will just say that the games in the Hacksaw provider are not the right kind of games for those little gamblers.

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February 16, 2024, 09:26:36 AM
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Hacksaw is a provider of slots that are very difficult to win. I've tried it in slot games from the Hacksaw provider but have never won big. Perhaps it's just a small win that doesn't even break. But I might still try playing slots from this Hacksaw provider, and hopefully, I can be lucky and get a big win.

No-Limit providers also find it difficult to win their slot games. But even so, I once earned two decent returns that exceeded my break-even point. And after that, it was very rare for me to win. But slot games from any provider will definitely be difficult to win because this slot game depends on the luck we have.
You need more money to be able to play longer if you choose Hacksaw provider to play, there the minimum bet amount is quite large and if you only have small amount of money then you will lose all the money without any wins that can be said worthy.
I feel that the slot games in the Hacksaw provider will only be able to be won by gamblers who are generous and able to use big money to really win, this is a real thing that I also experienced.
I tried the slot game provided by Hacksaw several times out of curiosity because it was difficult to win, but in the end all attempts to play failed and only left me with frustration because I lost the entire money deposited without any return.
Actually slots are games that have RTP, but in games provided by Hacksaw, it seems that RTP really doesn't apply and this is the most difficult game in slots.

But I wouldn't say that Hacksaw is the worst slot game provider because many big gamblers are loyal to this type of slot game, those who are able to play well will get big wins.
I will just say that the games in the Hacksaw provider are not the right kind of games for those little gamblers.

Most slot providers gear their slots to big gamblers as they do not care much for the small gamblers.Therefore any slot provider you will see that if you have a huge balance like 1000-2000 dollars will provide you more wins if played with 1 dollar bet rather than someone playing with 100 dollars and 0.20 as bet which is the min bet in many providers.So little gamblers should only try their luck by using IDR as currency and try the buy bonus.

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February 16, 2024, 09:36:26 AM
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I think that Hacksaw is very frustrating because the chances of winning, especially winning big, is much lower than the rest in OP's list of worst slot providers. I don't know the exact numbers or probabilities but it definitely is not just a feeling at this point. Its actually tangible. And looking at all the replies in this topic, most people seem to agree with that assessment. The slot provider should have included more bonuses, I think.

Some people here claim that while winning is rare, when you do win, you win big. I have not had such an experience yet, though.

Push also has low bonuses.

Although I think there are probably worse providers that are not in OP's list.


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February 16, 2024, 10:04:37 AM
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I think that Hacksaw is very frustrating because the chances of winning, especially winning big, is much lower than the rest in OP's list of worst slot providers. I don't know the exact numbers or probabilities but it definitely is not just a feeling at this point. Its actually tangible. And looking at all the replies in this topic, most people seem to agree with that assessment. The slot provider should have included more bonuses, I think.

Some people here claim that while winning is rare, when you do win, you win big. I have not had such an experience yet, though.

Push also has low bonuses.

Although I think there are probably worse providers that are not in OP's list.



The provider with less max wins than most others is surely Play n Go.They are very well aware of such fact and that is why lately they are producing slots with x40.000 or more possible max win and now with such slots they tend to be in the same line of other providers that offer most of x10.000 max wins like Pragmatic or Hacksaw and x10000 is somewhat easier to get in a slot that the max win is x40000.

On another note on Hacksaw it is true that when you win you hit it huge.Just see at the number of people playing their most popular slot "Wanted dead or a wild" and how a big number of people have hit it huge there.

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February 16, 2024, 10:41:42 AM
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It doesn't mean when games aren't working in your favour you say they are not good for others because there are lot of gamblers who's betting on those games you just mentioned and they are winning and also collecting the bonuses, even though it's not all the time but the winning rates and the losing rates might be the same or one of them will be more heavier than the other.
Moreover I haven't tried any of those games which you mentioned but as people are saying they are not working well for them I think it's just good to avoid them.

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February 16, 2024, 10:46:31 AM
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I will start with Hacksaw and Wazdan... In my experience, these two are the worst of them all! Almost impossible to hit some bonus round with normal spins, and most bonus rounds pays under x10...

But as you suggest more providers I will add them to the poll. So let's find the worst provider ever! Smiley
Hacksaw I do agree, it's really hard to hit the bonus, game like "Wanted Dead or a Wild". But I love those even if it very hard to hit the bonus, because once you hit it, chances are it might give you a good return as per may experience. Experience if you got those in the 5x5, for sure gonna be huge multiplier  Grin. I'm not familiar with Wazdan though. But I guess 'worst slot provider' will not be the term here, it could be their RNG and it really will take a lot of luck in your side to really hit that bonus and then hope that you will get a lot of multipliers to win big.

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February 16, 2024, 11:12:20 AM
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I think it's hard to realize who should be blamed.
The odds and RTP, volatility, the game graphics, payout structure, multipliers etc. are all set by the company that makes the slots. Same goes for the randomness, seeds etc as the slots run in their server.
However, it's also partly the responsibility of the casino to disseminate this information to the players. For example, many casinos will not properly inform about the odds of winning or volatility.

I chose to play at casinos that display the most information possible about their games. Not showing house edge and RTP is not good yet it happens very often. The slots providers give these info to the casino but often the casino doesn't give it to the player. Ideally there should be even MORE information. Like showing which multiplier combinations are possible and how often they're hit each.

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I will start with Hacksaw and Wazdan... In my experience, these two are the worst of them all! Almost impossible to hit some bonus round with normal spins, and most bonus rounds pays under x10...

But as you suggest more providers I will add them to the poll. So let's find the worst provider ever! Smiley
Hacksaw I do agree, it's really hard to hit the bonus, game like "Wanted Dead or a Wild". But I love those even if it very hard to hit the bonus, because once you hit it, chances are it might give you a good return as per may experience. Experience if you got those in the 5x5, for sure gonna be huge multiplier  Grin. I'm not familiar with Wazdan though. But I guess 'worst slot provider' will not be the term here, it could be their RNG and it really will take a lot of luck in your side to really hit that bonus and then hope that you will get a lot of multipliers to win big.

I was supposed to disagree on this since I made huge wins multiple times on Hacksaw before but recently they started to become shitty provider again by being hard to hit anything even small win. I believe they manage to improve their slot games few months ago but now they are back to being a worst provider.

I definitely don’t recommend this provider to newbie or low bankroll players since even I with medium size bankroll can’t hit anything significant on this provider. I have experience too that I spend 500+ spin without hitting any bonus round or anything greater than x50 multiplier. This provider sucks!



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February 16, 2024, 01:32:08 PM
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You need more money to be able to play longer if you choose Hacksaw provider to play, there the minimum bet amount is quite large and if you only have small amount of money then you will lose all the money without any wins that can be said worthy.
I feel that the slot games in the Hacksaw provider will only be able to be won by gamblers who are generous and able to use big money to really win, this is a real thing that I also experienced.
I tried the slot game provided by Hacksaw several times out of curiosity because it was difficult to win, but in the end all attempts to play failed and only left me with frustration because I lost the entire money deposited without any return.
Actually slots are games that have RTP, but in games provided by Hacksaw, it seems that RTP really doesn't apply and this is the most difficult game in slots.

But I wouldn't say that Hacksaw is the worst slot game provider because many big gamblers are loyal to this type of slot game, those who are able to play well will get big wins.
I will just say that the games in the Hacksaw provider are not the right kind of games for those little gamblers.
That's the problem where I don't want to add more money to play slot games from Hacksaw because that will increase my losses even more. I should choose another slot game that doesn't require too much money to enjoy the slot game. Moreover, I only play slots in moderation and don't chase wins because getting wins from slot games is very difficult, regardless of the provider. And until now, I have rarely played slot games from the Hacksaw provider because winning is very difficult. I used to play slot games from Pragmatic Play often, but then I realized that slot games from that provider were also difficult to win. This slot game requires a larger amount of money than other gambling games, and because this is gambling, we have to be very careful in choosing the gambling game, not have too high hopes of winning, and just try to enjoy the game.

Slot games from each provider try to provide entertainment for gamblers, so we must realize that we should not try too hard to play them because everything depends on our luck. If we are lucky, we can definitely win, but if not, we will not be able to win, and most gamblers have already experienced defeat. And we should limit our slot games so that we don't experience more losses.

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February 16, 2024, 03:06:48 PM
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I will start with Hacksaw and Wazdan... In my experience, these two are the worst of them all! Almost impossible to hit some bonus round with normal spins, and most bonus rounds pays under x10...

But as you suggest more providers I will add them to the poll. So let's find the worst provider ever! Smiley
Hacksaw I do agree, it's really hard to hit the bonus, game like "Wanted Dead or a Wild". But I love those even if it very hard to hit the bonus, because once you hit it, chances are it might give you a good return as per may experience. Experience if you got those in the 5x5, for sure gonna be huge multiplier  Grin. I'm not familiar with Wazdan though. But I guess 'worst slot provider' will not be the term here, it could be their RNG and it really will take a lot of luck in your side to really hit that bonus and then hope that you will get a lot of multipliers to win big.
There is no hard or easy thing if we talk about the chance to hit bonus, it is based on your luck 100%.
Even if you play in providers with low volatility and higher RTP, it does not give guarantee that it will give you bigger chance to hit bonus round.
I've played many different providers and all are mostly the same, sometime a provider could give me more bonus round but it could give no bonus round as well after several hundred spins.
Worst of best should not be based on our experience but it should be about how good is the UI, speed, features, etc.
If we consider a provider is the worst is because our experience especially just low experience, then I can say that all providers can be the worst.

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February 18, 2024, 06:23:29 AM
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Most slot providers gear their slots to big gamblers as they do not care much for the small gamblers.Therefore any slot provider you will see that if you have a huge balance like 1000-2000 dollars will provide you more wins if played with 1 dollar bet rather than someone playing with 100 dollars and 0.20 as bet which is the min bet in many providers.So little gamblers should only try their luck by using IDR as currency and try the buy bonus.
That true, but indeed providers target rich gamblers because there will be much larger turnover of money, even when emotions arise, the betting loss can be very significant and clearly this is the profit that every slot game provider really wants.
However, what needs to be understood is that not all gamblers are people who have more wealth and can use more money in each game session, in gambling small gamblers also take control over percentage of the total number of existing gamblers.
Just look at games that provide small bets which are much more widely used and this can be found on almost all existing gambling sites.

That's the problem where I don't want to add more money to play slot games from Hacksaw because that will increase my losses even more. I should choose another slot game that doesn't require too much money to enjoy the slot game. Moreover, I only play slots in moderation and don't chase wins because getting wins from slot games is very difficult, regardless of the provider. And until now, I have rarely played slot games from the Hacksaw provider because winning is very difficult. I used to play slot games from Pragmatic Play often, but then I realized that slot games from that provider were also difficult to win. This slot game requires a larger amount of money than other gambling games, and because this is gambling, we have to be very careful in choosing the gambling game, not have too high hopes of winning, and just try to enjoy the game.

Slot games from each provider try to provide entertainment for gamblers, so we must realize that we should not try too hard to play them because everything depends on our luck. If we are lucky, we can definitely win, but if not, we will not be able to win, and most gamblers have already experienced defeat. And we should limit our slot games so that we don't experience more losses.
But if you are really curious about winning the Hacksaw slot game then you can try by actually using the extra money you can afford to lose, this may seem very careless and too bold but it can give an answer to curiosity.
However, if it not possible then don't ever do it because money is also very valuable and can give you feeling of disappointment if everything fails and runs out without any left.
I also like slot games but it is much more possible to have fun when playing at provider of million people, Pragmatic gives us what we want.
Very low betting amounts and also the ease of getting multipliers or free spins, this is more fun and can make for much longer gaming session for just less money.

We just need to look for and use provider who can really provide the pleasure we need, don't force abilities but give regrets in the future.

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February 18, 2024, 07:22:52 AM
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each of them has bad and good experiences in each slot game, why do you say it is bad, because you haven't won it, but if you win you will say that it is a good slot, there is no benchmark for bad and good slots because everyone everyone has their own experiences, I don't think it's bad because maybe it's because you haven't won yet, just try to be patient and enjoy every round

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February 18, 2024, 03:18:29 PM
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But if you are really curious about winning the Hacksaw slot game then you can try by actually using the extra money you can afford to lose, this may seem very careless and too bold but it can give an answer to curiosity.
However, if it not possible then don't ever do it because money is also very valuable and can give you feeling of disappointment if everything fails and runs out without any left.
I also like slot games but it is much more possible to have fun when playing at provider of million people, Pragmatic gives us what we want.
Very low betting amounts and also the ease of getting multipliers or free spins, this is more fun and can make for much longer gaming session for just less money.

We just need to look for and use provider who can really provide the pleasure we need, don't force abilities but give regrets in the future.
No, I'm not curious about winning the Hacksaw slot game because I can't afford to use more money, especially if all the money I use will just run out before I can win. I should try to limit slot games and use other providers rather than having to spend more money. That's not feasible for me to do, especially since I'm still trying to reduce my gambling activities. And besides that, I don't want to experience the disappointment of losing a lot of money, and it would feel stupid for me because I can't limit myself to gambling. Pragmatic Play used to be able to give some money, but since there was an update that made it difficult for me to win some money, I left Pragmatic Play for a while.

Yes, by choosing the provider we want, we can enjoy the slot game and won't complain if we lose because it is our choice. Perhaps we can win some money someday, so we just need to limit the amount of money.

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February 20, 2024, 08:48:44 AM
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each of them has bad and good experiences in each slot game, why do you say it is bad, because you haven't won it, but if you win you will say that it is a good slot, there is no benchmark for bad and good slots because everyone everyone has their own experiences, I don't think it's bad because maybe it's because you haven't won yet, just try to be patient and enjoy every round

Yeah, if you want to have some kind of benchmark, then you would have to look at statistics, and not a single person playing in a single machine.

The expected return of gambling is negative, that is, the more probable outcome is that you will lose money.

Having said that, it's still fun to gamble, so you could still have a good time and spend some money. And hey, you might have fun and win some extra money.

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February 20, 2024, 09:12:20 AM
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each of them has bad and good experiences in each slot game, why do you say it is bad, because you haven't won it, but if you win you will say that it is a good slot, there is no benchmark for bad and good slots because everyone everyone has their own experiences, I don't think it's bad because maybe it's because you haven't won yet, just try to be patient and enjoy every round

Yeah, if you want to have some kind of benchmark, then you would have to look at statistics, and not a single person playing in a single machine.

The expected return of gambling is negative, that is, the more probable outcome is that you will lose money.

Having said that, it's still fun to gamble, so you could still have a good time and spend some money. And hey, you might have fun and win some extra money.

I think that if we see at statistics of all the providers I must admit the one provider who has given the max win more often is without a doubt Pragmatic Play.The other providers may have higher multipliers regarding their max win but surely won't be giving it as often as Pragmatic does.Of course I am talking in default RTP for all slot providers and not for some casinos who alter the RTP and we see something like 0 money during a bonus round in Pragmatic.

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February 20, 2024, 09:53:38 AM
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I think that if we see at statistics of all the providers I must admit the one provider who has given the max win more often is without a doubt Pragmatic Play.The other providers may have higher multipliers regarding their max win but surely won't be giving it as often as Pragmatic does.Of course I am talking in default RTP for all slot providers and not for some casinos who alter the RTP and we see something like 0 money during a bonus round in Pragmatic.

Yeah, that's a great point.

Is there any kind of standard for the amount of money paid by the probability of winning, or this number changes dramatically from machine to machine?

I wonder if there's any kind of standard that the casinos must publish. For example, what is the RTP you mention?

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February 20, 2024, 10:07:06 AM
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I was supposed to disagree on this since I made huge wins multiple times on Hacksaw before but recently they started to become shitty provider again by being hard to hit anything even small win. I believe they manage to improve their slot games few months ago but now they are back to being a worst provider.

I definitely don’t recommend this provider to newbie or low bankroll players since even I with medium size bankroll can’t hit anything significant on this provider. I have experience too that I spend 500+ spin without hitting any bonus round or anything greater than x50 multiplier. This provider sucks!

That's why Hacksaw is the worst provider of all, I had +300 spins with no bonus and very few big wins. I also played with the "higher bonus chance" feature and did not hit the bonus round in +100 spins. I have been buying bonuses, and all I can say is a complete disaster….

I have said many times that I will never play Hacksaw again, but there comes a moment when something attracts me to try them one more time. I guess it's watching all those "max wins" on social networks, more and more I think they are all sponsored. Anyway, a few weeks back was the last time I decided to try Le Bandit... a total catastrophe! I was playing normal spins, buying bonuses, I even bought 2-3 "All that glitters is gold" bonuses... I ended with a busted bankroll after 20 minutes.

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