(Any Guesses?) Are there many real (unpaid) people still posting here at BCT?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

There are people, who are just active on the forum and contributing the way that they can and not minding the payment, and their are still those, who get paid and still giving their best to the Community. Every person has different goals.

Absolutely, and it's always been that way as far as I can tell.

I'm currently not in a signature campaign (though I'm a member of Foxpup's merit cycling club, I don't have a post quota) and I spend a hell of a lot of time on the forum every day, whether it's reading through various threads trying to get some news, handing out merits, or just dropping some posts that interest me.  I did not come here to earn money back in 2015, and I'm still not here to earn money.  Sure, if there's a campaign that'll have me, why not get paid for doing what I'd be doing anyway?  Right now there isn't, yet here I am, blabbing away as if I had a crazy character quota.

However, I still think that most newcomers to the forum have been enticed by the prospect of joining a campaign or bounty, which is why merits are still so important.  But whatever; it's been that way for years.

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[Casdinyard]

Pretty sure there are still a few thousands of them who are not getting paid either because they want to, or because no signature campaign wants to take them due to posting habits, merits, or previous flags.

There are people, who are just active on the forum and contributing the way that they can and not minding the payment, and their are still those, who get paid and still giving their best to the Community. Every person has different goals.

Absolutely, and it's always been that way as far as I can tell.

I'm currently not in a signature campaign (though I'm a member of Foxpup's merit cycling club, I don't have a post quota) and I spend a hell of a lot of time on the forum every day, whether it's reading through various threads trying to get some news, handing out merits, or just dropping some posts that interest me.  I did not come here to earn money back in 2015, and I'm still not here to earn money.  Sure, if there's a campaign that'll have me, why not get paid for doing what I'd be doing anyway?  Right now there isn't, yet here I am, blabbing away as if I had a crazy character quota.

However, I still think that most newcomers to the forum have been enticed by the prospect of joining a campaign or bounty, which is why merits are still so important.  But whatever; it's been that way for years.

Ahh Sir Sceptical, if only these anti-sigs thinks the same way as you do.

Signature campaigns have been the forum's bread and butter combo but as it stands the hate for signature campaign members seem to just grow by the day, and I'm not sure if I'm comfortable about it anymore. People stating in their posts that the quality of the forum's gonna shoot up if theymos stopped allowing signature campaigns from happening and the likes have bugged my meta feed for a while now and frankly I just don't understand the hate directed towards people who are given the chance to get paid for doing the same thing they would otherwise do if they aren't.

Matter of fact and this is a keen observation of mine, most shitposters in here aren't even from campaigns, they were those no-sig mfers who push out content shat by ChatGPT or stolen from the bird app to get merits and rise up the ranks, possibly to get signed up on a signature campaign, if they want to shoo shitposters away from this forum I think they should look into that instead of directing their hate against people whose posts are weekly audited and observed for quality.

[bitzizzix]

Hello, I have spent many hours studying the old threads at your wonderful forum, and I suggest to anyone they do the same. The amount of challenging, high-quality topics combined with no spam or sigs is a refreshing retro experience for me. As we quickly head into 2024, do you think there many real (unpaid) people still posting here at BCT? Have a great day.

Yes, for example me. And whether I participate in signature campaigns or not, I'm still active and posting what I want to post.
Because I consider this forum as part of my communication and activities to be able to search for information and also to develop my knowledge.
And I always read every hour or even second so as not to miss any information or anything important in it, and will also post if I want.
BTT is a good place to develop knowledge because there are many great people who continue to provide information and solutions to all threads so it is very interesting for me to make it part of my daily activities.

[Majestic-milf]

 Of course there are those who are unpaid here in this forum. I just wonder why you find it so important to ask the question yet haven't come to respond or possibly lock the thread because it's obvious you've gotten your answer. Before you do though; why are you asking to know if there are unpaid posters here? Curious to know if majority of us here are more interested in the money signature campaigns generate than just genuine interest in the forum? Or you want to know what drives those who aren't but still come here to post? Well, I guess some of them will have their reasons but for me I feel it's because this place is cool enough to compete with some social platforms, you learn , share ideas and still manage to stay anonymous.

[Hewlet]

Hello, I have spent many hours studying the old threads at your wonderful forum, and I suggest to anyone they do the same. The amount of challenging, high-quality topics combined with no spam or sigs is a refreshing retro experience for me. As we quickly head into 2024, do you think there many real (unpaid) people still posting here at BCT? Have a great day.

does it really matter if they are being paid or not? People have different reasons for joining the forum and for some, it's totally a platform of learning and sharing their wealth of experience with fellow bitcoineers while for some, they look at the pay as the central point of their existence in the forum.

As long as you could get some financial benefit for doing the same thing you will comfortably do at your convenience, would you reject it just because you came in for the knowledge sake?  And the thing is that you're not just being paid for doing nothing so it's not out of place to exist in the forum and actively participate in the forum discussion while receiving some financial accolades in return.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Signature campaigns have been the forum's bread and butter combo but as it stands the hate for signature campaign members seem to just grow by the day, and I'm not sure if I'm comfortable about it anymore. People stating in their posts that the quality of the forum's gonna shoot up if theymos stopped allowing signature campaigns from happening and the likes have bugged my meta feed for a while now and frankly I just don't understand the hate directed towards people who are given the chance to get paid for doing the same thing they would otherwise do if they aren't.

I might be blind as a bat, but I haven't seen much more vitriol directed against sig campaigns lately.  It used to be really bad a few years ago before the merit system cleaned a lot of garbage created by account farmers and whatnot, but has there been a call to end campaigns and/or an increased amount of posts directed against shitposters in campaigns? 

As far as the reason for the hate....well, I used to be a part of the group of members who were sick and tired of the campaign-driven drivel that polluted and still pollutes many sections of our beloved forum.  Maybe I've grown used to it, maybe the garbage pile has shrunk, I don't know but from what I can see things are a hell of a lot better than they used to be with respect to post quality--overall, I mean.

Matter of fact and this is a keen observation of mine, most shitposters in here aren't even from campaigns, they were those no-sig mfers who push out content shat by ChatGPT or stolen from the bird app to get merits and rise up the ranks, possibly to get signed up on a signature campaign, if they want to shoo shitposters away from this forum I think they should look into that instead of directing their hate against people whose posts are weekly audited and observed for quality.

If a shitposter isn't in a campaign, they're probably looking to rank up and get in one or have some other nefarious motive for cranking out generic, zero-value posts.  That's always been my view, though I don't have any data to back it up.

[KingsDen]

Hello, I have spent many hours studying the old threads at your wonderful forum, and I suggest to anyone they do the same. The amount of challenging, high-quality topics combined with no spam or sigs is a refreshing retro experience for me. As we quickly head into 2024, do you think there many real (unpaid) people still posting here at BCT? Have a great day.

I rightly understand your question that it is about to quench your curiosity. However there is a misappropriation of word in your sentence composition, I did not know if it was intentionally or an oversight but I think the former should be the case. You referred to those who do not wear signature as the real posters in the bitcoin talk forum. As Lovesmayfamilis had said, wearing signature doesn't mean someone is less passionate about the forum. It also does not mean that everyone wearing signature will automatically abandon the forum when signature campaign is stopped in the forum.

Even if I become a millionaire, I will still wear signature and get paid here weekly. If I have no need for the money, I can channel it to the charity. I cannot be an exceptional poster here and not wear signature. Signature campaign is like a brand here and it is also part of the forum as among the things that gives the forum vibes. I do respect those not wearing signatures and sincerely wish they can one day just like philipma1957 did.

[Latviand]

If a shitposter isn't in a campaign, they're probably looking to rank up and get in one or have some other nefarious motive for cranking out generic, zero-value posts.  That's always been my view, though I don't have any data to back it up.

If you observe newbies that are posting in Bitcoin Discussion, you can probably collect a lot of data from there although I don't believe that those accounts are really newbies, the way that they post about different bitcoin related topics might look janky to us but there's some hints that most of them aren't really that totally noob when it comes to the way the forum works, I have a conspiracy that this "newbie" accounts are created so there's more topics to reply from because they've been in a lot of campaigns for so long that they're probably running out of topics to reply to.

[KingsDen]

Matter of fact and this is a keen observation of mine, most shitposters in here aren't even from campaigns, they were those no-sig mfers who push out content shat by ChatGPT or stolen from the bird app to get merits and rise up the ranks, possibly to get signed up on a signature campaign, if they want to shoo shitposters away from this forum I think they should look into that instead of directing their hate against people whose posts are weekly audited and observed for quality.

There is a group of sh!tposters you guys are missing in your analysis. I have just seen that type recently in the project development board. A newbie account will drop a project they developed (real or scam), but likely scam and you will immediately see other newbie accounts as the first first to ten comments praising the project and testifying how they made alot of fortune from the project. Probably only one person has those accounts. That is another type of spam that non signature campaign participants generate.

If you observe newbies that are posting in Bitcoin Discussion, you can probably collect a lot of data from there although I don't believe that those accounts are really newbies, the way that they post about different bitcoin related topics might look janky to us but there's some hints that most of them aren't really that totally noob when it comes to the way the forum works, I have a conspiracy that this "newbie" accounts are created so there's more topics to reply from because they've been in a lot of campaigns for so long that they're probably running out of topics to reply to.

I have never heard of this, or thought about this. That someone would deliberately create a new account to raise shitty topics in order to easily complete post quota. I mean this forum is wide enough for anyone who wants to drop 50 posts a day. Besides, I have seen people who discuss in threads above 10 pages and get paid even when it is possible that those posts won't generate any view. So, what's the need for creating new accounts just to raise topics. Well, the idea doesn't sound like something that will not happen. It is just possible.

[Casdinyard]

Signature campaigns have been the forum's bread and butter combo but as it stands the hate for signature campaign members seem to just grow by the day, and I'm not sure if I'm comfortable about it anymore. People stating in their posts that the quality of the forum's gonna shoot up if theymos stopped allowing signature campaigns from happening and the likes have bugged my meta feed for a while now and frankly I just don't understand the hate directed towards people who are given the chance to get paid for doing the same thing they would otherwise do if they aren't.

I might be blind as a bat, but I haven't seen much more vitriol directed against sig campaigns lately.  It used to be really bad a few years ago before the merit system cleaned a lot of garbage created by account farmers and whatnot, but has there been a call to end campaigns and/or an increased amount of posts directed against shitposters in campaigns? 

As far as the reason for the hate....well, I used to be a part of the group of members who were sick and tired of the campaign-driven drivel that polluted and still pollutes many sections of our beloved forum.  Maybe I've grown used to it, maybe the garbage pile has shrunk, I don't know but from what I can see things are a hell of a lot better than they used to be with respect to post quality--overall, I mean.

Matter of fact and this is a keen observation of mine, most shitposters in here aren't even from campaigns, they were those no-sig mfers who push out content shat by ChatGPT or stolen from the bird app to get merits and rise up the ranks, possibly to get signed up on a signature campaign, if they want to shoo shitposters away from this forum I think they should look into that instead of directing their hate against people whose posts are weekly audited and observed for quality.

If a shitposter isn't in a campaign, they're probably looking to rank up and get in one or have some other nefarious motive for cranking out generic, zero-value posts.  That's always been my view, though I don't have any data to back it up.

Honestly could just be me generalizing all the hate anti-sigs have thrown over the years. Although earlier this year I saw quite a couple of those Anti-sig propagandists make posts about how the forum would be better without signature campaigns or something along those lines. So yup. The hate still exists, but you may be right Sir Sceptical, since the topics they have made so far aren't really as hostile as they were back in the days. Just some 'food for thought' stuff although you'd smell the propaganda from a mile away.

As for the shitposter content to rank up and be merited, the thing is that's counter-intuitive. You wanna get merited and rank up so in theory what they should've done is push out great content and focus more on the quality rather than the quantity, and I don't think they're getting merited either since I personally keep tabs on some of those mfers and I haven't seen anyone of them go past the Jr. Member rank. So it's not like these people are getting what they want.

Matter of fact and this is a keen observation of mine, most shitposters in here aren't even from campaigns, they were those no-sig mfers who push out content shat by ChatGPT or stolen from the bird app to get merits and rise up the ranks, possibly to get signed up on a signature campaign, if they want to shoo shitposters away from this forum I think they should look into that instead of directing their hate against people whose posts are weekly audited and observed for quality.

There is a group of sh!tposters you guys are missing in your analysis. I have just seen that type recently in the project development board. A newbie account will drop a project they developed (real or scam), but likely scam and you will immediately see other newbie accounts as the first first to ten comments praising the project and testifying how they made alot of fortune from the project. Probably only one person has those accounts. That is another type of spam that non signature campaign participants generate.

This is correct. Probably just missed to mention these as I have seen a couple of them as well. I stopped checking the Project Development board months ago because of this as well so I haven't kept tabs on these clowns who scam people as much as I check on the newbies I suspect of using ChatGPT and shitposting. I don't think they're getting what they want as well, it's not the first rodeo for most of us so it's not like we're gonna get scammed.

[SamReomo]

Honestly could just be me generalizing all the hate anti-sigs have thrown over the years. Although earlier this year I saw quite a couple of those Anti-sig propagandists make posts about how the forum would be better without signature campaigns or something along those lines. So yup. The hate still exists, but you may be right Sir Sceptical, since the topics they have made so far aren't really as hostile as they were back in the days. Just some 'food for thought' stuff although you'd smell the propaganda from a mile away.

If I'm not wrong then such users are only creating thread like that to promote hatred and nothing else, they really feel jealous by seeing other active members who have been active on this forum for many years making some income from the signature campaigns. That's why they create such thread to make drama that what will happen if the signature campaigns stop on this forum, will members be active if signature campaigns move form this forum, blah blah, just useless thread like that.

I think the best way to tackle those members is to avoid replying on their threads because if they receive replies on such threads then they might make similar threads again and again to get some more replies and in long run some members might merit their threads. If the signature campaigns are running on this forum and if members are trying to make good posts because they're part of those signature campaigns then what's wrong in that? I mean instead of making shit-posts or ChatGpt generated posts they're sharing the knowledge they have and at the same time they're trying to learn new things so they can make even better posts. I think it's a beneficial thing for the forum and for those members who seek information via this forum.

[skarais]

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I think the best way to tackle those members is to avoid replying on their threads because if they receive replies on such threads then they might make similar threads again and again to get some more replies and in long run some members might merit their threads.

If you find a troll posting something, remember the first rule; don't feed them.
Trolls are those who can basically bother you at any time, but when you ignore them and put them on your ignore list, then you will be much more comfortable surfing this forum without being bothered by them. Feeding trolls will not change their point of view, they are not users who easily change their mindset and whatever; it all ended in vain.

[EarnOnVictor]

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I think the best way to tackle those members is to avoid replying on their threads because if they receive replies on such threads then they might make similar threads again and again to get some more replies and in long run some members might merit their threads.

If you find a troll posting something, remember the first rule; don't feed them.
Trolls are those who can basically bother you at any time, but when you ignore them and put them on your ignore list, then you will be much more comfortable surfing this forum without being bothered by them. Feeding trolls will not change their point of view, they are not users who easily change their mindset and whatever; it all ended in vain.

Nice advice there, and I must say that I've been doing this well and it's working for me. Maturity entails a lot of things, it might be difficult or feel foolish at times but it is the best. You don't just give some people what they want so that they do not drag you into their folly. Silence, they say is the best answer for a fool, this could also be applicable to trollers and you can see a whole lot of them everywhere whether it's in this forum or anywhere else.

With my personal resolves, I decided to be of this decision since I took my time to look around and realise the behaviour of people, and also see how many parents are raising their children and I realised that people are not just the same. The path at which some people grow up is so bad, not to mention the kind of life they are leading afterwards.

Is this the kind of people you will be dragging with? We are better to let them be if we are wise.

[JollyGood]

If you see a post that does not have a link/logo in either their signature or personal website information, then they probably are not being paid. Unfortunately, that is what many puppeteers do, they build up accounts before monetising them therefore just because some accounts might not be displaying/promoting a brand now it does not mean they will never do it.

If memory serves correct, I applied to join my first signature campaign after I had made around 9500 posts but eventually joined my first signature campaign after I had made 10,000 posts therefore I mad over 10,000 posts without getting paid (though one of the victims of a scam did make generous gifts to some members including me that supported him when his funds were stolen by an exchange and he eventually had them returned).

Hello, I have spent many hours studying the old threads at your wonderful forum, and I suggest to anyone they do the same. The amount of challenging, high-quality topics combined with no spam or sigs is a refreshing retro experience for me. As we quickly head into 2024, do you think there many real (unpaid) people still posting here at BCT? Have a great day.

[ryannw]

Following type of users are posting here without the need to get paid

1) There are users coming through google search based on any crypto related problem they are facing and for which a thread has been opened here. They will share their experience also in the same thread. Since, this forum ranks very high in search engines, this constitutes a good percentage of overall members here.

2) Same way there are many members here just to improve their knowledge about crypto and to know the recent news related to crypto. That can be a bigger incentive for them than paid signature campaigns especially if they are investing big amounts in crypto.

[Latviand]

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I have never heard of this, or thought about this. That someone would deliberately create a new account to raise shitty topics in order to easily complete post quota. I mean this forum is wide enough for anyone who wants to drop 50 posts a day. Besides, I have seen people who discuss in threads above 10 pages and get paid even when it is possible that those posts won't generate any view. So, what's the need for creating new accounts just to raise topics. Well, the idea doesn't sound like something that will not happen. It is just possible.

Well, if I can think that there's a possibility that they might do this then there's a likelihood that they are really doing this, I'm more surprised with the fact that there's someone in this forum that can do 50 posts in a day, I can't even manage to do a 10 in a day and they can do 50? That person probably got no life outside of the forum because if they did then they wouldn't be churning out such ungodly amounts of posts even if they're spams and useless rants, the effort it takes is still too much.

[JollyGood]

What does it matter?
Should people who don't earn from the forum be rated more than people who do?
It's the quality of their post that matters. Some people earn on the forum but they're always ready to help out when you have a technical issue, especially Bitcoin-related.
I have asked many questions where I had issues and both members who earn on the forum and those who don't set me on the right path.

Some people don't earn from the forum but do their bit to make the community grow. They are also educative.
So I don't think people should be separated into earner and non-earner on the forum, it should be based on the quality of posts and their contributions to this community if you must distinguish people.

Well, in reality it does not matter however the OP did ask the question. If you look at boards (such as Bitcoin Discussion) ,in my opinion there has to be a large number of posts that are created with the intent they will hopefully be merited and they include all subjects.

This thread was probably created with the same intention because the one asking the question could merely take a look around the forum and see for himself how many were not promoting via campaigns now.

It is easy to not care about signing if you had 1000 btc at 6 bucks a coin.

Sold ½ in December of 2017 grabbing  500 x 19000 = 9.5 million.

then wait til 2021 and sell 200 coins at 65,000 or 13,000,000

thats 22.5 million and you still hodl 300 coins.

There are few people on this site at those levels.

They post for fun and are free from money issues.

Is this your own personal situation and you sold at those times in 2017 and 2021?

[EarnOnVictor]

What does it matter?
Should people who don't earn from the forum be rated more than people who do?
It's the quality of their post that matters. Some people earn on the forum but they're always ready to help out when you have a technical issue, especially Bitcoin-related.

Cool down, bro. I've grown to accept one fact, everyone cannot reason like me or I know the purpose of everything. For this, I've come to the realization of respecting people's opinions even if they look absurd at times, the writers might have their good reasons.

Like the one in the OP, I am sure it's so harmless, that I view it as a survey to which everyone is entitled. And those who see it as off could just maturely excuse themselves from the thread since it's not by force. The question might be to clear the doubt of the OP in what is making this forum active. Could it be the love of the forum/cryptocurrency or the money people are deriving from it? It's as simple as that.

I've noticed that this forum is so active due to the money derived from it by people irrespective of how pretending many users could be. You can see criticism when m!xers were sent off from this place and how many teleported to another forum for financial benefits. This is what I believe the OP wanted to establish which is totally within his right and also harmless to anyone.

[Doan9269]

Following type of users are posting here without the need to get paid

1) There are users coming through google search based on any crypto related problem they are facing and for which a thread has been opened here. They will share their experience also in the same thread. Since, this forum ranks very high in search engines, this constitutes a good percentage of overall members here.

There could be many reasons why a someone could get determined that they wanted to join this forum, some could be through their search on the internet, while some may be by their friends referrals, but the truth is, this is bitcointalk where we make discussions about bitcoin and get to connect with others from across the world in this discussions, posting to get paid will now determined by whom you're posting for, or who hired you or not for doing that, but on a general level, everyone should post here freely and without being obligated for being paid.

2) Same way there are many members here just to improve their knowledge about crypto and to know the recent news related to crypto. That can be a bigger incentive for them than paid signature campaigns especially if they are investing big amounts in crypto.

You're right, some already have been here over time without having considerations for joining a signature campaign and they enjoy it that way because they are not after that, some may as well reconsider to participate and that's not a problem, there are criterial in joining one, but what people must understand is the fact that this place is not a money making platform, we are only doing that as part of the benefits we got served with being a member and the main purpose is for bitcoin discussion, i think there are other threads discussions as well being allowed aside that for bitcoin discussion, like politics and society, altcoins discussions and gambling.

[Vod]

I did a quick (unscientific) test.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5486210.0

Complete nonsense post, and I got two replies from people with signatures who obviously didn't even read it.   I haven't been able to have a contributing conversation in a few years due to all the paid to post spam.