Theymos reputation thread

[Shenanigan]

Do I understand correctly that the reputation of forum participants is being discussed here?

Then I would like to discuss the actions of theymos, admin of this forum. theymos is also a member of the forum and must adhere to common principles of trust system. And this means he, as a user, is also subject to discussion. If the admin does not consider it necessary to adhere to his own trust system, then let him delete this topic immediately

Trust of theymos
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=35

This is not an accusatory topic. This is just a discussion of his actions. And questions to him

As we all already know, theymos banned mixers. In this regard, users have accumulated many questions, but the theymos does not respond to them

From everything I read on the forum, I formulate general questions that users have for the admin theymos

1) theymos, was there pressure to you from the authorities?
2) theymos, are you currently cooperating with the authorities?
3) theymos, do you have any unspoken agreements with the authorities?
4) theymos, will casinos be next to be banned?
5) theymos, do you plan to introduce KYC on the forum if the authorities so require?

Dear users, if you have questions for theymos, ask here, let's collect requests to him here in reputation section instead of clogging up the meta section

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[Gladitorcomeback]

1) theymos, was there pressure to you from the authorities?

You come here just to create fud? you should read all reply from Theymos and then make a thread. All your questions already answered so no need to repeat again.

Kindly read this

We've received no warnings or requests to change policy from law enforcement regarding mixers.

2) theymos, are you currently cooperating with the authorities?
3) theymos, do you have any unspoken agreements with the authorities?

answer is already given

Maybe Bitcoin will be banned in the US someday, and then I'll have to either shut down bitcointalk.org or find a way of moving it to some remaining territory of freedom in the world. That's the problem with centralized forums. I wish that more work was being done on creating decentralized, uncensorable, but also usable forums. I would love nothing more than to be able to shut down bitcointalk.org due to some decentralized solution making it obsolete. Find me a 501(c)(3) nonprofit working on this, and I'll donate to it.

[digaran]

If he was given a court order, he couldn't confirm it even if he wanted to. So all of your questions will not get any answers. What is it exactly you want to achieve? Don't you know he can't answer to those questions?

[Shenanigan]

If he was given a court order, he couldn't confirm it even if he wanted to. So all of your questions will not get any answers. What is it exactly you want to achieve? Don't you know he can't answer to those questions?

Do I understand you correctly that you forbid me to discuss this?

[digaran]

If he was given a court order, he couldn't confirm it even if he wanted to. So all of your questions will not get any answers. What is it exactly you want to achieve? Don't you know he can't answer to those questions?

Do I understand you correctly that you forbid me to discuss this?

No, you can question anyone you want, I'm saying if he was given a court order, he couldn't confirm it, do you understand that?

[Shenanigan]

If he was given a court order, he couldn't confirm it even if he wanted to. So all of your questions will not get any answers. What is it exactly you want to achieve? Don't you know he can't answer to those questions?

Do I understand you correctly that you forbid me to discuss this?

No, you can question anyone you want, I'm saying if he was given a court order, he couldn't confirm it, do you understand that?

By a court order, a person can only be ordered to prohibit engaging in any activity. It is impossible to prohibit a person to shut his mouth with a court order. Otherwise this is already an encroachment on the freedom of expression of a person, which is contrary to US law. Do you understand that?

[digaran]

Ok, here is what he said, I don't know if you can read between the lines or not, but I will give this quote, you better read it a few times, and go think about it what it actually means.

My goal is not to act in the best interests of the state. If that was my aim, I'd probably continue to allow mixers. My goal is to put in place as few restrictions as possible while keeping risks (for bitcointalk.org and its users) at reasonable levels. Centralized mixers have qualities which make them especially risky in ways which other things do not.

[Wapfika]

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The answer to this thread is simple. This is theymos forum whether we like it or not because he is the person in-charge since Satoshi and Sirius leave the forum. His forum is rules. We should create new forum if we want to follow different rules.

Banning mixer is not the end for Bitcoin. Maybe his decision is temporary until mixer find a way to operate that is acceptable to the forum standards. But for now, demanding answers to all our questions will not change theymos decision since he already provide his point on how he come up to the decision.

[Shenanigan]

His forum is rules.

Ok, then don’t tell any more fairy tales about decentralization on the forum.
Let's see what happens to him if all users leave the forum. Without users - a forum is nothing

But for now, demanding answers to all our questions will not change theymos decision since he already provide his point on how he come up to the decision.

No one has the right to prohibit discussing the admin's actions. If he doesn’t want to answer these questions, then that’s his choice. If admin's trust option is not blocked from distrusting or redtagging, it means he doesn’t mind being discussed. If admin was against being diststusted and redtagged, he would have blocked all these buttons on his profile. This means he doesn’t mind being discussed equally with everyone else.

[BabyBandit]

Do I understand correctly that the reputation of forum participants is being discussed here?

Then I would like to discuss the actions of theymos, admin of this forum. theymos is also a member of the forum and must adhere to common principles of trust system. And this means he, as a user, is also subject to discussion. If the admin does not consider it necessary to adhere to his own trust system, then let him delete this topic immediately

Trust of theymos
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=35

This is not an accusatory topic. This is just a discussion of his actions. And questions to him

As we all already know, theymos banned mixers. In this regard, users have accumulated many questions, but the theymos does not respond to them

From everything I read on the forum, I formulate general questions that users have for the admin theymos

1) theymos, was there pressure to you from the authorities?
2) theymos, are you currently cooperating with the authorities?
3) theymos, do you have any unspoken agreements with the authorities?
4) theymos, will casinos be next to be banned?
5) theymos, do you plan to introduce KYC on the forum if the authorities so require?

Dear users, if you have questions for theymos, ask here, let's collect requests to him here in reputation section instead of clogging up the meta section

Excuse me but what the fuck is this for psycho witch-hunt? Theymos isn't owe you or anyone else a dime or need to answer anything. If you don't like how the forum is running you are free to leave at anytime or create your own.
Think for it a bit. if Theymos have problem with the authorities at the moment, you guys don't think he is stressed enough and have other things to worry about? Where is the Thank You for all the years he's been running the forum? Give him a break and try to support him instead of this.

If the forum shuts down tomorrow it will not be the end of this world or crypto or Bitcoin, even if many of you seems to think so.

[Shenanigan]

Where is the Thank You for all the years he's been running the forum?

Thank You for what? Because he surrounded himself with close favorites (LoyceV, noorman0, ETFbitcoin, Little Mouse, PrimeNumber7, decodx, GazetaBitcoin, Royse777, etc) who do what they want here and no one scolds them for it. The forum has been dying for a long time. And the ban on mixers only exposed the long-standing growing mass discontent of users

Why are some given powers (LoyceV, etc) while others are forced to delve into shit? This is not fair.

[BabyBandit]

Where is the Thank You for all the years he's been running the forum?

Thank You for what? Because he surrounded himself with close favorites (LoyceV, etc) who do what they want here and no one scolds them for it. The forum has been dying for a long time. And the ban on mixers only exposed the long-standing growing mass discontent of users

What colour is your Forum? 

[Hueristic]

[Vod]

keeping asking questions:

6) theymos, are you stille here under account theymos? Please give us a sign that it's still you, not a FBI or SEC authorized person

I have it on pretty good authority that Theymos is dealing with federal agents now.  He himself is a nobody.

[digaran]

Lol, the image above is priceless, @Vod, I can really feel what you going through, I mean I just had 2 of my off topic posts deleted probably by admin(s), and I got so pissed that I wanted to leave this forum already, this shows that our smallest actions will definitely affect how others would react. I got over it after eating breakfast.
We all do things that we might regret later, I mean we might even say something to our loved ones but never apologize to them because of vanity.

I'm certain everyone feels the same, but this has to stop man, I have also decided to ignore those nobodies around here, but theymos is not one of them. You don't have the right to say that, it's out of character.

[owlcatz]

<snip> I got so pissed that I wanted to leave this forum already, this shows that our my smallest actions will definitely affect how others I would react. I got over it after eating breakfast.

You don't have the right to say that, it's out of character. against whatever made up rule there is in my brain that I disagree with.

FTFY.

[KingsDen]

Theymos reputation thread

This title is honestly catchy...it attracted me to this thread.

4) theymos, will casinos be next to be banned?

Casinos cannot be banned. Yea, this is because gambling has been in existence before this forum and bitcoin was created. But in the other hand, there is a mixer because there is Bitcoin.

5) theymos, do you plan to introduce KYC on the forum if the authorities so require?

Yes, theymos will do that if the authorities request. Alternatively, he will shut the forum of try to move it to another part of the world. He said it.

[SatoPrincess]

Casinos cannot be banned. Yea, this is because gambling has been in existence before this forum and bitcoin was created. But in the other hand, there is a mixer because there is Bitcoin.

I believe he meant gambling casinos advertising on the forum. No one could have predicted the events that have happened in the last couple of months. To be clear, signature campaigns can be banned altogether, that includes casinos, and other platforms advertising here. The forum doesn’t have control over what happens outside the bitcointalk community, if certain services are banned here, they can run their business and promotions elsewhere.

[arabspaceship123]

I'm looking at the reaction users are posting after theymos announced he's going to ban mixers from 1st Jan. It isn't the end of bitcoin it's a change to what's allowed in the forum.

We're using the forum so we're bound by rules. They're made by theymos because he's forum admin. The step he's taken to ban mixers means it another rule. If ppl aren't happy here they should find a forum that's making them happy.

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The answer to this thread is simple. This is theymos forum whether we like it or not because he is the person in-charge since Satoshi and Sirius leave the forum. His forum is rules. We should create new forum if we want to follow different rules.

Banning mixer is not the end for Bitcoin. Maybe his decision is temporary until mixer find a way to operate that is acceptable to the forum standards. But for now, demanding answers to all our questions will not change theymos decision since he already provide his point on how he come up to the decision.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

If he was given a court order, he couldn't confirm it even if he wanted to. So all of your questions will not get any answers. What is it exactly you want to achieve? Don't you know he can't answer to those questions?

Do I understand you correctly that you forbid me to discuss this?

He can't forbid you to discuss anything unless it's in his own self-moderated thread.  

Reading the quote from Theymos regarding the lack of requests from law enforcement (which I assume means any government agency, but who knows), I take it he's telling the truth and thus the question doesn't need to be asked again IMO.  Theymos has always been a stand-up guy in terms of freedom of speech and freedom in general, so this move he made with regard to mixers I interpret as him seeing what's down the road and trying to proactively protect the forum.  He's in a tight spot, you know.  With the US government (and others) cracking down on crypto and scrutinizing mixing services, he probably knows what would happen if mixers were allowed to kick off their businesses here.

It says a lot that he's taken such an extreme action when he's never done anything like this that I know of before--but older members, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Why are some given powers (LoyceV, etc) while others are forced to delve into shit? This is not fair.

Probably for the same reason some are hired as mods, some are made merit sources, and some are on DT.  Trust, time, and dedication to the forum go a long way here.