Response to Icopress

[AB de Royse777]

This is much needed:

I will avoid replying to JollyGood, airfinex, Poker Player, decodx and GazetaBitcoin . Let's work on solving the problems Icopress have against me.

So instead of the other thread (where this post will be off topic), I have this topic to answer you.

I'll leave this here as a reminder for myself.

Three of my clients (I have not yet received a response from the rest) informed me that they received a letter from Royce in which he intrusively offers his services under the pretext of banning mixers on Bitcointak. Making it sound like I'm nothing, Lol.. maybe he thinks I can't take care of marketing to my clients outside of the forum.

What’s especially funny is that not long ago I was chatting about sponsorship deals with MegaPari, but when it came to launching a campaign, I refused and wrote to Royce to contact these guys.

For me this is extremely unethical behavior.

Edited: Four of my clients.

Come down man, it sounds like only your clients received those offers. I was sending the same PMs to some projects (active and none active both, so which ones were managed by which manager or even if any of them already had a marketing on the forum, was not in the mind). If you have doubt then ask julerz12, one of his client also received the same message and we both had a chat earlier about some other topic.

Don't consider yourself the center of the business. You and GazetaBitcoin really needs a break. Don't force me to go bad and expose what you two do behind the scene (the template, scripts - guess what I mean). Have in mind that I am also a campaign manager and I have connections with a lot of projects which I managed and not managed (I also have very very close connections with many forum members too). Time to time they tell me things too which I never thought to post like you did in public because it will not look good on you two.

What’s especially funny is that not long ago I was chatting about sponsorship deals with MegaPari, but when it came to launching a campaign, I refused and wrote to Royce to contact these guys.

I do not think it was unethical, as a manager you can reach out to anyone. I never did mind, in fact when clients or other members informed me I was just giving them a LOL (that's the best I could do). But since you think what I did was unethical (by targeting you campaigns, which was not) what I did is unethical then forget about past ones but just the recent one since you are proudly mentioning it - when you reached one of my client, shouldn't you reach me first because you know I am actively working with them? Anyway, not asking the questions to get answers but you really have a lot of room to improve yourself. I am your competition but not enemy. Don't come after reputation, I will not take it easily.

A bold statement is when someone brags about how much they earn and how much clients' money they keep.

A bold claim is when someone pays several participants a very high rate, and claims that it is the “highest paying campaign.”

This was your last message and it clearly means you have problems with me. If you indeed have problems then let's talk and solve it here or let's stay away from each others. Don't write something that could trigger me to response you. I never did any so far unless other day I saw the following conversation between you and another user.

[banned mixer] raised their payrate to 10 USD until end of campaign. Finally beating the payrate of CM.
Any news from MixTum? Asking for a friend.

Did you mean Tumbler?

This is just a trick... and it is unlikely that they could compete with MixTum if there had not been a ban since January 1 (in every sense of the word).

As for the campaign... the campaign is still ongoing, as I have not yet received a response from MixTum.
This week I even took on two new members to the campaign.

Isn't it a very bold statement to tell something like this for one over another one?
I was asked to make the pay rate $14 per post which I could do very easily since the money is not going out of my pocket but imagine would that benefit the project? No.

As a campaign manager I think our job is to balance the marketing budget and the ROI. Sinbad was a prime example of a successful brand until ...

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[suchmoon]

Uhm.... weren't you complaining at some point about someone messaging your clients behind your back?

[AB de Royse777]

GazetaBitcoin came because of this post from him or I would only use "you" instead of "you tow"

Time to time they tell me things too which I never thought to post like you did in public because it will not look good on you two.

Uhm.... weren't you complaining at some point about someone messaging your clients behind your back?

That was about user airfinex, Poker Player. None of them were campaign managers. Nothing related to icopress or any other manager. Manager to manager things should not come open like this, Icopress could just PM me and ask for reasoning since he thought it was about him only. It was not necessary to post it in several places like one here, another here. Who knows he was considering to make more posts about it in all of the places where he was considering would be look him good and me bad. He knows the best.

Did you use your forum account or an alt account to do it?

I see no point to use an alternative account when I am offering my service to anyone.

edit:
Just a thought came just now, airfinex is an alt. Who it could be? He leaves no chance unused to defame me whenever he gets a chance. The last one is Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week /Sinbad campaign/.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I didn't want to get into trouble and thought when I commented on the MixTurn.io thread that the fire would have been extinguished. But I would like to point out that I think Royse777 is right, that the discussion is more appropriate on this section, and not on the campaign threads.

What I'd like to expect from you two guys is that you don't get into a pointless escalation that ends up as escalations of that style usually do around here.

[AB de Royse777]

What I'd like to expect from you two guys is that you don't get into a pointless escalation that ends up as escalations of that style usually do around here.

I really hope it won't. I hope Icopress solves his problems with me in this thread if there is any. Because so far what presented here I strongly believe he has problems against me and in the recent time it exploded.

[Shenanigan]

Don't consider yourself the center of the business. You and GazetaBitcoin really needs a break. Don't force me to go bad and expose what you two do behind the scene (the template, scripts - guess what I mean).

I knew that Icopress was engaged in such shenanigans. I hate shenanigans

Now from this place in more detail, we are all very interested

[decodx]

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For me this is extremely unethical behavior.

That's so typical Royce! If the tables were turned, you'd probably find a whole new discussion about it in the Reputation section by now. Oh, wait... Now I have to move this post to his thread. Damn.

Uhm.... weren't you complaining at some point about someone messaging your clients behind your back?

Yep! He not only complained, but even made false accusations.

[AB de Royse777]

Yep! He not only complained, but even made false accusations.

airfinex? yes.

Edit:
Just realized you were talking about the screenshots.
How could you say those were false accusations, you only can say it if you believe Poker Player and don't believe what I said.
For me I do not see any reason not to think it was him until I realized it could be someone else too and I can not prove it. Poker player can not prove it too that it was not him. So later I removed any feedback left for him to give him the benefit of the doubt.

So when you are telling I made false accusations, remember you are telling everyone to see it from your eyes.

[decodx]

Yep! He not only complained, but even made false accusations.

airfinex? yes.

Stupid. No?

But, it's actually AnotherAnotherAnotherAlt! 

[AB de Royse777]

Stupid. No?

But, it's actually AnotherAnotherAnotherAlt! 

Well yeah it took me a bit time to understand you and the side you decided. Already edited before seeing this post.

Can we not change the direction of the topic? I hope we can.

[Shenanigan]

Don't force me to go bad and expose what you two do behind the scene (the template, scripts - guess what I mean).

Please tell me about it

[AB de Royse777]

Don't force me to go bad and expose what you two do behind the scene (the template, scripts - guess what I mean).

Please tell me about it

Sorry this is not my goal for this topic. My goal is to solve any problem that Icopress have against me so that we don't cross our path again like this and don't make each others a fool to many people who think we are doing a great job in the campaign management business including other managers. When managers are doing something like this in public then the reputation for entire campaign management looks bad.

[GazetaBitcoin]

You and GazetaBitcoin really needs a break.

No, u.

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[SamReomo]

Sorry this is not my goal for this topic. My goal is to solve any problem that Icopress have against me so that we don't cross our path again like this and don't make each others a fool to many people who think we are doing a great job in the campaign management business including other managers. When managers are doing something like this in public then the reputation for entire campaign management looks bad.

I strongly agree with you and I believe that Icopress and you should have a peaceful solution that would solve the issue instead of making it a personal attack on each other. The management team on our forum is doing very well and you both have played very important role as part of the management team. It's useless to attack each-other in public because that will allow those people to attack as well who just want to add oil into the fire. I respect both of you as managers of the forum and I believe that peaceful solution is the best path you both should choose. I hope that others would also like you guys to have a peaceful settlement instead of taking such matters to huge heights.

[GazetaBitcoin]

GazetaBitcoin came because of this post from him or I would only use "you" instead of "you tow"

Now, while I have no idea what "you tow" could possibly mean, of course I came, since you have no respect for Hhampuz, which is like a grandfather for all campaign managers here, nor you respect other managers. Let's re-read the line where you trolled Hhampuz, instead of having the decency to show him some respect:

Ed: This is why Hhampuz will always be taller than the two of us.

May be you are shorter, but I never told anyone about my height, neither I know how tall Hhampuz is

Perhaps you should start respecting more the elder campaign managers, such as Hhampuz, which was managing campaigns on the forum years back, while you were probably trying to cheat on your math exam in elementary school. And, nevertheless, respect the other campaign managers as well.

[JollyGood]

Uhm.... weren't you complaining at some point about someone messaging your clients behind your back?

You have a good memory, that is exactly what he had been complaining about 

Indeed, there were a bunch of names thrown around that allegedly contacted his existing or prospective clients. I cannot recall all the names that he (Royse777) himself threw around on and off but Poker Player and myself included in that list.

I knew that Icopress was engaged in such shenanigans. I hate shenanigans

Now from this place in more detail, we are all very interested

Quite clearly you are not a newbie even though you are using a newbie account. It seems you have created this account for nefarious purposes therefore I have added you to my ignore list.

<...>
For me this is extremely unethical behavior.

That's so typical Royce! If the tables were turned, you'd probably find a whole new discussion about it in the Reputation section by now. Oh, wait... Now I have to move this post to his thread. Damn.

Uhm.... weren't you complaining at some point about someone messaging your clients behind your back?

Yep! He not only complained, but even made false accusations.

That is definitely the case.

[AB de Royse777]

GazetaBitcoin came because of this post from him or I would only use "you" instead of "you tow"

Now, while I have no idea what "you tow" could possibly mean, of course I came, since you have no respect for Hhampuz, which is like a grandfather for all campaign managers here, nor you respect other managers. Let's re-read the line where you trolled Hhampuz, instead of having the decency to show him some respect:

Ed: This is why Hhampuz will always be taller than the two of us.

May be you are shorter, but I never told anyone about my height, neither I know how tall Hhampuz is

Perhaps you should start respecting more the elder campaign managers, such as Hhampuz, which was managing campaigns on the forum years back, while you were probably trying to cheat on your math exam in elementary school. And, nevertheless, respect the other campaign managers as well.

I think you forgot to quote the other part?

A bold statement is when someone brags about how much they earn and how much clients' money they keep.

A bold claim is when someone pays several participants a very high rate, and claims that it is the “highest paying campaign.”

Royse starts to look more and more like Ratimov Symmetrick in his best plagiarist era, while he was bragging himself everywhere.



It's ridiculous to brag everywhere with the money you hold and which are not even yours. And even if they were yours it would look ridiculous. You hold $1M in your pockets which are not yours? Congrats!

Regarding Hhampuz, you have no idea about our relationships. So, don't involve in the business. It's better you practice respect if time is indicator of respecting each others.

ah JollyGood

Finally you are here. I knew it and expecting you already. Carry on.

Edit:
I expect Poker Player too. But whatever you guys do, I will appreciate to discuss on topic please.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I think you forgot to quote the other part?

While I see you still have no explanation for what "you tow" could possible mean; and while I see you stated nothing about the relevant part I quoted above -- respective your lack of respect for other campaign managers, especially for one of oldest ones; then sure, now let's go to the part you quoted. Because, of course, you don't have to say anything while others have always to respond in front of you, right?

Now let's see...

Royse starts to look more and more like Ratimov Symmetrick in his best plagiarist era, while he was bragging himself everywhere.



It's ridiculous to brag everywhere with the money you hold and which are not even yours. And even if they were yours it would look ridiculous. You hold $1M in your pockets which are not yours? Congrats!

Uhm... what's the problem you point here? Since you are not stating which exactly the problem is, I'll only make an assumption: perhaps you believe it's decent to brag yourself in front of everybody, with all the money you have (and which are not yours, LOL!), just like Ratimov Symmetrick used to brag all the time? Such behavior remind me of those mimbos from various videoclips, wearing flamboyant clothes and thick gold jewelry, driving purple cars -- you know, those trying to look pimpin'.

If my assumption if wrong, please point what exactly disturbed you from my post.

Regarding Hhampuz, you have no idea about our relationships.

Perhaps I have no idea, but I'm starting to make one.

So, don't involve in the business.

Again, not sure what you meant here. Are you suggesting me to stay out of business? Of what business?

It's better you practice respect if time is indicator of respecting each others.

"If time is indicator"...? What are you saying? Seriously, have you previewed your post before submitting it? Those sentences make no sense.

[suchmoon]

Uhm.... weren't you complaining at some point about someone messaging your clients behind your back?

That was about user airfinex, Poker Player. None of them were campaign managers. Nothing related to icopress or any other manager. Manager to manager things should not come open like this, Icopress could just PM me and ask for reasoning since he thought it was about him only. It was not necessary to post it in several places like one here, another here. Who knows he was considering to make more posts about it in all of the places where he was considering would be look him good and me bad. He knows the best.

When you complained about Poker Player, if you had said something like "this would have been ok if you were a campaign manager looking to poach my clients"... actually it would have made even less sense to me but at least you would sound somewhat more consistent above. Now it just sounds like you're making up excuses.

I understand that this that way to you, i.e. others messaging your clients - bad, you messaging other manager's clients - good. However:

1) For the person sending the messages, it looks reasonable to warn someone that they're doing business with an untrustworthy (in their opinion) user.
2) For the person receiving the messages, a warning about someone's untrustworthiness they can just ignore if they don't care, or perhaps they didn't know and it might be good to know. A message from a competing manager... they can ignore as well. No huge difference although I personally would be more annoyed by promotional messages, if at all.
3) For an outside observer, no big difference either way. Someone messaged someone about the business they're doing on the forum. As long as it doesn't break forum rules (which promo messages might be more likely to do but I'm not sure).

Edit: When I say "no big difference", I don't mean that this is acceptable or unacceptable in my opinion, I mean that if you consider one scenario unethical/unacceptable/etc, then the other one likely is unethical/unacceptable/etc too. Consistency.

I know icopress to be a very reasonable person, and I know you're a great manager but perhaps a tad too sensitive when someone says something about you... I mean look at the threads you tend to create on this board. If you did nothing wrong, you did nothing wrong. Threads like these won't help you prove that - likely the opposite, having to defend yourself on something like this makes it look more sketchy than it probably is.

[decodx]

Yep! He not only complained, but even made false accusations.

airfinex? yes.

Edit:
Just realized you were talking about the screenshots.
How could you say those were false accusations, you only can say it if you believe Poker Player and don't believe what I said.
For me I do not see any reason not to think it was him until I realized it could be someone else too and I can not prove it. Poker player can not prove it too that it was not him. So later I removed any feedback left for him to give him the benefit of the doubt.

So when you are telling I made false accusations, remember you are telling everyone to see it from your eyes.

So, you're saying that you can't prove it and that you realized it could be someone else, but you still don't think it's a false accusation? Even though Poker Player has publicly denied ever contacting anyone about you?

I mean, I know you resent him for publicly exposing you as a liar, but personally, I have no reason not to take his word over yours. You, on the other hand, I can never fully trust again.