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December 08, 2023, 09:36:36 PM
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If anyone has gotten used to gambling through crypto casinos, it's likely that they've become accustomed to games like dice. With dice everything is crystal clear: You know your winning odds and how much you are going to win if you roll within your target.
However with slots, you never know your win chance. You don't know what increasing your wager or coins does to winning chances and it's generally all so opaque.

Instead of winning chances there's terms like volatility and RTP,  which make little sense unless to the individual gambler. Honestly dice was complicated enough, slots are just too much. Makes me think that it could be on purpose. Players of slots seem to be unlikely to look into these details due to how complicated it is.

Has that been your experience too?

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December 08, 2023, 10:01:56 PM
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Gamblers fight directly with the house tooth and nail in slot games, with the odds mainly against the gambler. The more you gamble the more difficult it gets to win. That's why as a slot player you must limit the time spent, gambling, as the house edge could be a 2% winning possibility for the player. So, no need to feel bad about losing too much in the slot, or the complications involved in playing slot games. In the slot, the terminology, enjoy gambling erupts. Because if you are the type who doesn't enjoy playing slot, you'll go home very sad, due to multiple losses. I experience this a lot and battle it with playing smaller amounts. The casino can try to change my strategy by offering me wins, so that I'll wager more amount. That's where we slot players test the mansion of confidence in us, whether it's well built or just vulnerable and can be swept away by the tricks of the casino. Additionally, don't switch from one slot machine to another. Try to understand a specific slot machine or slot game. Unless you know the house edge placed on a slot game by the casino, don't place too many bets on that machine or game. Most house edge is half of one percent, you can read or research on how housing edge can be calculated. It'll help you have a clearer view of what amount to expect from the casino and how much they'll make off every single bet you stake on the slot machine. I think with this information, getting the house edge right, you won't bother about the complex nature of slot games and just enjoy the fun. Like you're playing some video games expecting to win money some days.

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December 08, 2023, 10:05:08 PM
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If anyone has gotten used to gambling through crypto casinos, it's likely that they've become accustomed to games like dice. With dice everything is crystal clear: You know your winning odds and how much you are going to win if you roll within your target.
However with slots, you never know your win chance. You don't know what increasing your wager or coins does to winning chances and it's generally all so opaque.

Instead of winning chances there's terms like volatility and RTP,  which make little sense unless to the individual gambler. Honestly dice was complicated enough, slots are just too much. Makes me think that it could be on purpose. Players of slots seem to be unlikely to look into these details due to how complicated it is.

Has that been your experience too?
Recently, there was a thread regarding slots, and quite a few other users felt that they weren't worth it. Personally, I agree with what you've stated, and I believe it's due to the nature of the game that doesn't leave you with much wiggle room. Certainly, that's in favor of the casinos and not the user, as you're not able to choose your odds nor do you have any options.

Slots are an old-fashioned game that was extremely popular in physical casinos. Their philosophy is pretty straightforward; you just pull down the lever (or click a button) and that's it. Personally, I don't think they're worth it, and I avoid them like a plague.

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December 08, 2023, 10:29:47 PM
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If anyone has gotten used to gambling through crypto casinos, it's likely that they've become accustomed to games like dice. With dice everything is crystal clear: You know your winning odds and how much you are going to win if you roll within your target.
However with slots, you never know your win chance. You don't know what increasing your wager or coins does to winning chances and it's generally all so opaque.

This is why slots is more interesting to play than dice.  I used to play dice but when I tried slots game, I have forgotten to play dice.

Instead of winning chances there's terms like volatility and RTP,  which make little sense unless to the individual gambler. Honestly dice was complicated enough, slots are just too much. Makes me think that it could be on purpose. Players of slots seem to be unlikely to look into these details due to how complicated it is.

Has that been your experience too?

Why bother to think too much, when we can just enjoy the entertainment these gambling games gives.  There are explanation about volatility, and RTP of slots and they seems not hard to understand.  Just don't mixed it with the terms of other games and obviously we will get confused.

These features is purposely implemented to give players a different kind of gambling experience.  but if you look at it, it is the same as dice but with just an automatic adjustement of odds to win thus slots triggering different multiplier wins, unlike dice that have a linear odd result which can be adjusted manually.

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December 08, 2023, 10:40:23 PM
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If anyone has gotten used to gambling through crypto casinos, it's likely that they've become accustomed to games like dice. With dice everything is crystal clear: You know your winning odds and how much you are going to win if you roll within your target.
However with slots, you never know your win chance. You don't know what increasing your wager or coins does to winning chances and it's generally all so opaque.

Instead of winning chances there's terms like volatility and RTP,  which make little sense unless to the individual gambler. Honestly dice was complicated enough, slots are just too much. Makes me think that it could be on purpose. Players of slots seem to be unlikely to look into these details due to how complicated it is.

Has that been your experience too?

I think inherently they are difficult to understand because there is so much going on.  It's on purpose the lights, pictures and all the different ways ypu can win are all to keep you engaged and have an entertaining time.  But yeah I'm with you I don't play them for that reason.  Sometimes when I thought I won nothing happened and vice versa

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December 08, 2023, 10:43:14 PM
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Gamblers fight directly with the house tooth and nail in slot games, with the odds mainly against the gambler. The more you gamble the more difficult it gets to win. That's why as a slot player you must limit the time spent, gambling, as the house edge could be a 2% winning possibility for the player. So, no need to feel bad about losing too much in the slot, or the complications involved in playing slot games. In the slot, the terminology, enjoy gambling erupts. Because if you are the type who doesn't enjoy playing slot, you'll go home very sad, due to multiple losses. I experience this a lot and battle it with playing smaller amounts. The casino can try to change my strategy by offering me wins, so that I'll wager more amount. That's where we slot players test the mansion of confidence in us, whether it's well built or just vulnerable and can be swept away by the tricks of the casino. Additionally, don't switch from one slot machine to another. Try to understand a specific slot machine or slot game. Unless you know the house edge placed on a slot game by the casino, don't place too many bets on that machine or game. Most house edge is half of one percent, you can read or research on how housing edge can be calculated. It'll help you have a clearer view of what amount to expect from the casino and how much they'll make off every single bet you stake on the slot machine. I think with this information, getting the house edge right, you won't bother about the complex nature of slot games and just enjoy the fun. Like you're playing some video games expecting to win money some days.
First the difference between slot game and dice is in the luck factors and that is why,  gamblers have higher chances with dice more than slot because with dice all that the gambler need to have a winning is the luck factor and in dice the house edge is truly minimal this is why its easy for the gambler to have higher chances of winning when playing dice more than he will have with slot.

Sometimes you need some level of skill to play slot game and that is why the house have a high impact and interest in the game unlike dice where all that is needed is just to roll the dice and hit the lucky number to make a winning.
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December 08, 2023, 10:52:39 PM
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Has that been your experience too?
Slot has been more easier for some people to understand than some of her persons, and this is normal. Some game are naturally easier to some people to understand than some others. Slot is not for every gambler, to some gamblers this will be their interest, while to others the other games to gamble on will what will be of interest to them. If things are not like this, that is interest shared, some games will never be gambled on.

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December 08, 2023, 11:04:40 PM
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If anyone has gotten used to gambling through crypto casinos, it's likely that they've become accustomed to games like dice. With dice everything is crystal clear: You know your winning odds and how much you are going to win if you roll within your target.
However with slots, you never know your win chance. You don't know what increasing your wager or coins does to winning chances and it's generally all so opaque.

Slots are the fastest way to win or lose money!
However, they are the most fun and attractive in an online casino, both due to their diversity of options and their visual appeal.

Slots were not made to be understood, as each game variation has its own combinations and probabilities that change a lot from one to the other.

What you need to know is: Only play slots what you are really willing to lose, manage your resources well and don't waste too much time on them to avoid the risk of becoming addicted.

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December 08, 2023, 11:04:54 PM
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If anyone has gotten used to gambling through crypto casinos, it's likely that they've become accustomed to games like dice. With dice everything is crystal clear: You know your winning odds and how much you are going to win if you roll within your target.
However with slots, you never know your win chance. You don't know what increasing your wager or coins does to winning chances and it's generally all so opaque.

Instead of winning chances there's terms like volatility and RTP,  which make little sense unless to the individual gambler. Honestly dice was complicated enough, slots are just too much. Makes me think that it could be on purpose. Players of slots seem to be unlikely to look into these details due to how complicated it is.

Has that been your experience too?

It is easy to understand if you have time to read.The RTP is in a slot 96.50% the theoretical return to a player,this does not mean that if you deposit 100 dollars you will get 96.5 dollars back,no it does not work like that.The RTP is the total sum of all the spins made in the casino from all the players and out of all this sum the 96.5% is returned back to the players,this though is not in equal value,someone can get it all with a huge win and all other people can remain without getting anything,do not rely on RTP to win on slots,the only thing needed here is an insane amount of luck,only that  Grin.

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December 08, 2023, 11:09:15 PM
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It is easy to understand if you have time to read.The RTP is in a slot 96.50% the theoretical return to a player,this does not mean that if you deposit 100 dollars you will get 96.5 dollars back,no it does not work like that.The RTP is the total sum of all the spins made in the casino from all the players and out of all this sum the 96.5% is returned back to the players,this though is not in equal value,someone can get it all with a huge win and all other people can remain without getting anything,do not rely on RTP to win on slots,the only thing needed here is an insane amount of luck,only that  Grin.

i can agree with you here, don't stress yourself too much about your chances in slots because no one can calculate such possibility. even if there is rtp available to see, it doesn't mean, you will know your chances. you don't. this is why it is luck-based game by all means.
as long as the casino is provable fair, and not playing dirty tricks, you are good to go. but trying to understand your chances, you are just giving yourself a headache.

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December 08, 2023, 11:12:41 PM
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You could make a case for that one actually, considering that most slot games nowadays got so many bells and whistles that it’s starting to become so confusing when slots were supposed to be just linear and super easy to understand and play—you turn a crank, you wait for your a pattern to come out, and then earn the corresponding prize based on how great the pattern is.

More prizes more problems I guess, but I bet it would be nicer if we got the same old type of slots back in the old days that are easier to understand and easier to play.


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December 08, 2023, 11:16:33 PM
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I think it isn’t a correct comparison since both types of gambling games compared are independent of each other. Of course, comparing two different games and accordingly deciding which game to prefer is an important thing for a gambler but I think it isn’t possible to reach a conclusion with such a comparison.

Gambling games come in many different varieties and each game has its own way of playing. Depending on this playing style, the effect of the luck factor, probability of winning and risk rate vary in each game. So, each game has some advantages and disadvantages.

For example, to continue with the current comparison as stated in slot games it isn’t clear what rate of profit will be obtained in the next spin but it also has advantages such as high winning potential and free spins. On the other hand, in the dice rolling game it is known how much profit can be obtained compared to the bet amount in case of a possible win but the profit rate doesn’t increase without increasing the risk rate.
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December 08, 2023, 11:27:57 PM
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And that's one of the reasons why more gamblers like slot games. Finding the unknown multi-win and the unpredictability of what will come out, although I don't really believe that. Even in Keno, I don't think there's such a thing as RNG (random number generator) because if that is the case then we could've seen a lot of winners of those 10 number picks.
Slots may have different images but most of them have the same type of system. Then, they must also change how the multi-win will come out. There are only a few slots that I hate the most but the others that I've tried are all good when it comes to RTP. Yes, sometimes they don't give back for a long time but that is because they will give out a high multi-win. I witnessed that a lot of times so those who have deep pockets will certainly have a better chance to win than those who will just try once or twice.

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December 08, 2023, 11:35:24 PM
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Things are just the same for dice and slot machines; luck is the bottomline of all outcomes likewise with roulettes. No strategy would also work in order to secure a win or at least lessen the risk of losing. RTPs and all are just another terms for "will i be winning or not". just falls between the two, in general. That's just its concept and its simplicity hooked up its players. Not all gamblers are into analysis and strategies and that's just fine. We do have our own preferences of the gambling games we would engage ourselves with. Those who thinks that slots are too complicated should just move to other games 'coz no one forced us to play in the first place.

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December 08, 2023, 11:49:29 PM
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Gamblers fight directly with the house tooth and nail in slot games, with the odds mainly against the gambler. The more you gamble the more difficult it gets to win. That's why as a slot player you must limit the time spent, gambling, as the house edge could be a 2% winning possibility for the player. So, no need to feel bad about losing too much in the slot, or the complications involved in playing slot games. In the slot, the terminology, enjoy gambling erupts. Because if you are the type who doesn't enjoy playing slot, you'll go home very sad, due to multiple losses. I experience this a lot and battle it with playing smaller amounts. The casino can try to change my strategy by offering me wins, so that I'll wager more amount. That's where we slot players test the mansion of confidence in us, whether it's well built or just vulnerable and can be swept away by the tricks of the casino. Additionally, don't switch from one slot machine to another. Try to understand a specific slot machine or slot game. Unless you know the house edge placed on a slot game by the casino, don't place too many bets on that machine or game. Most house edge is half of one percent, you can read or research on how housing edge can be calculated. It'll help you have a clearer view of what amount to expect from the casino and how much they'll make off every single bet you stake on the slot machine. I think with this information, getting the house edge right, you won't bother about the complex nature of slot games and just enjoy the fun. Like you're playing some video games expecting to win money some days.
First the difference between slot game and dice is in the luck factors and that is why,  gamblers have higher chances with dice more than slot because with dice all that the gambler need to have a winning is the luck factor and in dice the house edge is truly minimal this is why its easy for the gambler to have higher chances of winning when playing dice more than he will have with slot.

Sometimes you need some level of skill to play slot game and that is why the house have a high impact and interest in the game unlike dice where all that is needed is just to roll the dice and hit the lucky number to make a winning.

Those skills are what is been required of a gambler to know regarding the house edge and calculating how it can yield them wins, it's very crucial. I think dice are also manipulated by the casino somehow. While I was reading about using Dice rolls to create a private key, they're cases where people could predict what the outcome of a die would be, maybe the fault could be from the manufacturers; unfair die. Somehow the casino can manipulate it, but people would argue it's not possible. However, the dice games are easier to win compared to slot games. But the required skills aren't going to give us more wins compared to the number of times we'd lose money playing slots. Players will always find it difficult to enjoy slot games unless they join a comp club. Then it'll be easier for them to benefit too much while playing slot. Slot games are better played offline, in casinos, where the player would be rewarded per points and given free hotel rooms, food or even show tickets. As for online players they just have to enjoy the game win or lose.

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December 09, 2023, 12:01:12 AM
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I've long given up on trying to understand how the slot mechanics work sometimes, so I just turn off my brain and pull that lever. Granted I reckon most slots work the same under the hood, just with different values and percentages for the results so once you understand how one works, it's rather easy to understand the rest especially if you consider how jargon works all the same across all slots. I guess that's just how it goes with trying to innovate something to the max, a lot of complicated-sounding rules and whatnot come out.

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December 09, 2023, 12:02:21 AM
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If anyone has gotten used to gambling through crypto casinos, it's likely that they've become accustomed to games like dice. With dice everything is crystal clear: You know your winning odds and how much you are going to win if you roll within your target.
However with slots, you never know your win chance. You don't know what increasing your wager or coins does to winning chances and it's generally all so opaque.

Slots are the fastest way to win or lose money!
However, they are the most fun and attractive in an online casino, both due to their diversity of options and their visual appeal.

Slots were not made to be understood, as each game variation has its own combinations and probabilities that change a lot from one to the other.

What you need to know is: Only play slots what you are really willing to lose, manage your resources well and don't waste too much time on them to avoid the risk of becoming addicted.

I agree with you! Slots were made to gambling for fun as everyone consider it as their past time and you don't need to understand it or stressing yourself too much. Much better to play it with the amount that you afford to loose. Slots are of the addictive game in casino world because it is easy to use and it doesn't require any analysis and skills, just play it with fun while having a control on your finances and time to avoid financial bankruptcy.



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December 09, 2023, 12:10:26 AM
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Instead of winning chances there's terms like volatility and RTP,  which make little sense unless to the individual gambler. Honestly dice was complicated enough, slots are just too much. Makes me think that it could be on purpose. Players of slots seem to be unlikely to look into these details due to how complicated it is.

Depends on each player, I myself as a slot player always look into RTP and Volatility of the slot before I played the game. It is important thing to know (at least for myself) because it is related to which game is the best to play based on the RTP and volatility. Even though it is not a guarantee that it will give a better result but at least playing games with higher RTP is better if I started with small amount and lower RTP + high-extreme volatility is good to be played when I have more funds to play or when I want to hunt big multiplier. It was complicated to understand when I knew about it for the 1st time, but experiences and learn (by reading) make it simple now.

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December 09, 2023, 12:45:51 AM
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With the information that casinos provide on their slot games, I find it less complicated because you'll eventually learn those words, and a couple of those terms could help you understand casino games as a whole. For me, they've become easy to learn because there are so many different types of slots, and even though some of them are slightly different, they still have the same overall concept. Back then, i'd say slot games were probably complicated because you couldn't easily find this information within the casinos and you had to search for it on a different website.

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December 09, 2023, 01:03:14 AM
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If anyone has gotten used to gambling through crypto casinos, it's likely that they've become accustomed to games like dice. With dice everything is crystal clear: You know your winning odds and how much you are going to win if you roll within your target.
However with slots, you never know your win chance. You don't know what increasing your wager or coins does to winning chances and it's generally all so opaque.

Instead of winning chances there's terms like volatility and RTP,  which make little sense unless to the individual gambler. Honestly dice was complicated enough, slots are just too much. Makes me think that it could be on purpose. Players of slots seem to be unlikely to look into these details due to how complicated it is.

Has that been your experience too?
Gamblers are mostly risk taker  and challenges they love finding something that will make them interested and that is how Slot gives its bettor , the thrill and the risk combination makes it very flattering when they won and same feeling with me when I start betting in slot.
aside from this is a game that is too easy to use, just put your bet and then starts to roll , simplest gambling for me that same reason why there are so many addiction happening inside slot gaming.

but your Points are valid , we cannot even see how it goes to bring the winning combination not like in Dice and Roulette that the outcome is in front of us that we can literally see the winning.

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