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December 11, 2023, 02:52:26 PM
Last edit: January 01, 2024, 06:10:26 AM by NotATether
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11 days later, it is finally complete!

BitMixList is a single-page site with a directory of mixers on it that's constantly updated. Think LeGaulois' topic, except it lists all kind of privacy services like kycnot.me.

It is lightweight, and requires no javascript! (well except for the "Back to top" button, but if you can't use JS, you probably don't need that anyway  Smiley)

There is also a (very long) history of mixing and mixers on Bitcointalk, and explanations on how mixers work (and break) where they cannot be locked or archived.

I believe this is the most comprehensive website about bitcoin mixers ever assembled. Nothing else comes close to it, not even Wiki pages.

Go bookmark the page so you don't lose it, while the Google SEO works its magic.

This thread is *not* self-moderated. Whether this thread stays or not is admin's discretion, but I'm not going to delete anyone's posts myself.

Onion link: kmzvdt7443fqisu27xw3saxv7rn2pmgx33zd2cy54ev2mbba2xjoziqd.onion

UPDATE 2024-01-01, posting links to mixers is no longer allowed. Therefore, in order to avoid running afoul of the new rules, I recommend people do not recommend specific mixers when writing a post about it. Instead, they should tell people to look at a mixer list like this one or the mixhub.to website by PrivatePerson.

If anyone has any moderation concerns about this web resource, please PM me. I will be happy to talk.

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I think in the future we will see and identify anyone trying to constantly shill for certain mixers, I mean some mixers might hire a shill service to have a bunch of strangers coming here and discuss about certain sites that has a directory like yours. This is not about whether it's a good idea to have such directories or not, this is more about malicious actors trying to bypass the ban.

However I think having a page dedicated for mixers in general is useful as long as it has no malicious intent behind it and stays informative without advertising for a certain service.(such as your site).

Good job.

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December 11, 2023, 04:08:19 PM
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Great job, mate. More lists by independent users means less chance for one of them to hide a phishing link somewhere.

How about adding some extra metadata about each mixer, like what mixhub does? Stuff like their Bitcoin address used for LoG signing (very necessary for double verification and exit scam prevention) and CDN used.

Whether this thread stays or not is admin's discretion, but I'm not going to delete anyone's posts myself.
I believe theymos said it's fine.

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December 11, 2023, 04:22:54 PM
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11 days later, it is finally complete!
That's a lot of time and effort I imagine you put into there although I can not load the site on my side.

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I can not wait to see it.

Cheers,

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December 11, 2023, 04:41:05 PM
Last edit: December 11, 2023, 04:52:14 PM by NotATether
 #5

11 days later, it is finally complete!
That's a lot of time and effort I imagine you put into there although I can not load the site on my side.

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I can not wait to see it.

Cheers,

Uh oh.

Can you send me a screenshot? Also also tell me what browser you used. Because I can't seem to reproduce this on my end.

Does it work with a VPN? I can spin up a temporary proxy and let you try connecting through that (to rule out any ISP problems). Also is your computer time set correctly - as too much drift can cause this error form as well?

The HTTPS certificate and web server config is auto-installed by Hostinger.

Edit: is it one of these errors?

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I think you should include official onion links for each website next to the clearnet links.
Another thing I would add on top of the page is date when last update of information happened, as we know how things quickly change in this business Wink
Mixhub.to is also doing a nice job with his list, and I see he has no plans for long term updating, so maybe you two could work together on this.

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December 11, 2023, 08:03:58 PM
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Nicely done, sir! I've bookmarked it and I've also done a complete save, just in case.
It will be a very good source of information for many, and being so simple it could go very high in search results (maybe ref links is the next step?  Cheesy Cheesy j/k)

Maybe theymos changes his mind and then you'll be able to also link ANN pages from bitcointalk. One can hope...

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I appreciate the great job done on the website OP.

I would like to point out something about exch.cx, The exchange was founded somewhere in 2016 and not 2023 if you look at how old their ANN is and the profiles that represent them in this forum. For some reason, they abandoned the old domain they started with exch.cc and now use exch.cx

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December 12, 2023, 08:35:37 AM
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OK, there is a known issue when connecting to the site from Tor Browser.

But using New Tor Circuit for this Site button seems to fix it (if not, do it enough times).

Meanwhile I have made a hidden service that does not have this problem: kmzvdt7443fqisu27xw3saxv7rn2pmgx33zd2cy54ev2mbba2xjoziqd.onion

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Maybe another time I will add metadata. I did not really find it necessary at first.

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Good to know. I was unaware of the exch.cc domain.

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December 12, 2023, 09:20:00 AM
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The site design is clean, adding the night mode feature, and better control over list arrangement. I do not know how the arrangement is currently done, but there must be a standard of differentiation between these services, in addition to the latest login time for these services to ensure that they are not closed or turned into scam.
Add a warning that Wasabi may collect data from users.
add for Private DEXs list a self-hosted section.

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December 12, 2023, 01:21:08 PM
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@NotATether, When trying to access the clearnet link. I was greeted by this on different browsers


I don't know if it's some random downtime or a planned maintenance, so I thought I could alert you here just in case. The Tor mirror works just fine as of now.

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I don't know if it's some random downtime or a planned maintenance, so I thought I could alert you here just in case. The Tor mirror works just fine as of now.
I cleared the cookies and the error still exists, so it appears that there have been modifications in the backend and access to the server has been restricted.

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There has been a problem with the server. I will have more to say in a moment.

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My first thought after reading about the impending mixer ban on Bitcointalk:
Phishing sites are going to love this change! Google has shown ads for fake mixers for years.
I don't think your topic linking to a list of mixers will survive on Bitcointalk after January 1st though. After that it'll have to compete with the exising lists, and as far as I've seen in the past, many of them advertise phishing sites.

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I don't think your topic linking to a list of mixers will survive on Bitcointalk after January 1st though. After that it'll have to compete with the exising lists, and as far as I've seen in the past, many of them advertise phishing sites.
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Non-promotionally linking to a mixer's ANN thread will be allowed, whether or not it's a defunct mixer.
I don't know, but banning signatures and all promotional activities would be enough.

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Non-promotionally linking to a mixer's ANN thread will be allowed, whether or not it's a defunct mixer.
I don't know, but banning signatures and all promotional activities would be enough.
There's also this part:
- Mixer URLs will be automatically wordfiltered out, but you can still discuss mixers otherwise.
I guess we'll have to see how compatible that is with linking to a site that lists all URLs.

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Non-promotionally linking to a mixer's ANN thread will be allowed, whether or not it's a defunct mixer.
I don't know, but banning signatures and all promotional activities would be enough.
There's also this part:
- Mixer URLs will be automatically wordfiltered out, but you can still discuss mixers otherwise.
I guess we'll have to see how compatible that is with linking to a site that lists all URLs.

however, theymos understood that it could not be too restrictive, so he eased some of the rules. I believe that over time the most constructive solution will be defined.
Here is the most direct answer from theymos about mixer collections like this.
could you tell me whether my service's thread that ony lists and discusses mixers will be allowed here or I should wipe it before January? The thread in question: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476445

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BitMixList is under attack by web hosts.

For now, the domain has been moved to BitMixList.org and is registered using Porkbun's domain registrar.

I'm going to have to wait out the transfer period before I can transfer the dot com domain, since it's so new.

The table of contents may have been broken during troubleshooting. I will fix that soon.

Even more reason why this should not be banned from bitcointalk.

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Even more reason why this should not be banned from bitcointalk.
On the contrary, this is one of the reasons listed by theymos for banning mixers:
~ allowing them has become too risky/problematic, and it's only going to get worse. Imagine ~ our service providers suddenly banning us due to being "associated" with mixers

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Onion link still works fine for me.
I heard good things about Flokinet that is located in Iceland, they have strict no-kyc policy and they won't ask you for any personal information.
Last time I checked they are still accepting Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency payments.
There are few other alternatives available so dyor before choosing next host, you don't want to move data all the time Wink

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Even more reason why this should not be banned from bitcointalk.
On the contrary, this is one of the reasons listed by theymos for banning mixers:
~ allowing them has become too risky/problematic, and it's only going to get worse. Imagine ~ our service providers suddenly banning us due to being "associated" with mixers

Service providers should not be banning people for posting links to resources, as long as they aren't darknet and illegal (mixers are not illegal [yet]). Besides, the forum is hosted in US jurisdiction, which means as a content provider, they should not be held liable for its users.

I do not know what hosting provider is used by the forum, or whether it is managed by Cyrus, but you'd certainly expect them to choose one that isn't sensitive over cryptocurrency, considering that there haven't been issues in that regard for years. And cloudflare never bans crypto sites AFAIK.

Although I will probably get rid of ads.

@dkbit98 I don't think I'm going to be migrating anytime soon after this, but for now I will probably turn on Cloudflare for better caching and so I don't expose my hardware to DDoS.

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Service providers should not be banning people for posting links to resources
Now you're looking at it from a moral point of view. That doesn't matter for (most) businesses, which means some providers will be more restrictive than others.

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I don't think I'm going to be migrating anytime soon after this, but for now I will probably turn on Cloudflare for better caching and so I don't expose my hardware to DDoS.

I'm glad to hear that the site is back up and running.  Out of curiosity, who is currently hosting it? I hope you don't mind me asking.

And, since there are active links to mixer sites, did you check with the new host to make sure that's allowed in their terms of service? I hope this transition goes smoothly for you and you don't run into any more surprises.

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Congratulations NotATether.

I have just one comment for now.

I think swap services are not DEX. For example, exceto.https://exch.cx/is a great swap service but it is centralized,  isn't it?

Esit: maybe you could use "non kyc exchanges/swaps"

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I don't think I'm going to be migrating anytime soon after this, but for now I will probably turn on Cloudflare for better caching and so I don't expose my hardware to DDoS.

I'm glad to hear that the site is back up and running.  Out of curiosity, who is currently hosting it? I hope you don't mind me asking.

Currently, it's running on my dedicated server on Leaseweb, who are very lax to the point of allowing torrents - not that I did that the last few years.

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And, since there are active links to mixer sites, did you check with the new host to make sure that's allowed in their terms of service? I hope this transition goes smoothly for you and you don't run into any more surprises.

See above. This is not a web host or anything, but a dedicated server. As long as I'm not running spam or viruses, I'm fine Smiley

Congratulations NotATether.

I have just one comment for now.

I think swap services are not DEX. For example, exceto.https://exch.cx/is a great swap service but it is centralized,  isn't it?

Esit: maybe you could use "non kyc exchanges/swaps"

I guess that would work.

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For the moment, BitMixList and the onion site are both down. The server is not responding, but I cannot confirm whether it is a DDoS. I'm working on fixing this issue.

Imagine what kind of low-life it takes to have an issue with a brand-new mixer list....

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Imagine what kind of low-life it takes to have an issue with a brand-new mixer list....
Many mixers in the past got DDoSsed shortly after they posted on Bitcointalk. I can only speculate why: Take out competitors? Phishing sites wanting full attention? Force them to use Cloudflare?

As theymos wrote:
The Internet is seriously flawed if everyone needs to huddle behind these huge centralized anti-DDoS companies in order to survive...

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Imagine what kind of low-life it takes to have an issue with a brand-new mixer list....
Many mixers in the past got DDoSsed shortly after they posted on Bitcointalk. I can only speculate why: Take out competitors? Phishing sites wanting full attention? Force them to use Cloudflare?

As theymos wrote:
The Internet is seriously flawed if everyone needs to huddle behind these huge centralized anti-DDoS companies in order to survive...

But this is not a mixer service, this is just a list of mixers.

Why would anyone be so interested in that, especially when there are so many other lists on the internet doing fine?

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But this is not a mixer service, this is just a list of mixers.

Why would anyone be so interested in that, especially when there are so many other lists on the internet doing fine?
Just a guess: there are also lists that include phishing sites, and if there's a site that might move traffic away from them, that site gets attacked.

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For the moment, BitMixList and the onion site are both down. The server is not responding, but I cannot confirm whether it is a DDoS. I'm working on fixing this issue.
Sorry to hear this but I know some guys who own regular website unrelated with bitcoin and it get's ddos attacks all the time.
Shutting down websites can be profitable, but some people are doing it for fun, believe it or not.

Why would anyone be so interested in that, especially when there are so many other lists on the internet doing fine?
I don't know the real reason, but you can only imagine how they are attacking bitcointalk forum and other services all the time.

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Sorry to hear this but I know some guys who own regular website unrelated with bitcoin and it get's ddos attacks all the time.
Shutting down websites can be profitable, but some people are doing it for fun, believe it or not.

For now I will not disclose any details of what I am doing right now in order to avoid giving the attacker any advantage with the information.

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I was wondering, is it possible for you to work like how google does the job? I mean I would like to have a banner on your site with "dig the pig" written in bold and have all my referral links for mixers included, then I could wear your site's sig. And you could also get a percentage from my income. How about that? 😂

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BitMixList and the onion site are back online

Sorry for the long delay, I had detected a DDoS attack on the server hosting the website, so I was busy moving it to new hosting.

Meanwhile the hacker continues to waste his money and resources DDoS'ing dead hardware. If that's what he wants to do then by all means, keep hammering it  Cheesy

Below is a graph of my old server and you can see he is throwing 500 Mbps at me. The upload traffic was mitigated by using a firewall. Anyway like I said it still looks like they are attacking the unused IP address. I wonder for how long though Smiley

In addition, at least two dozen mirrors were created to guarantee site availability in case the main site goes down. I am constantly looking for more mirrors to chuck this on, as it is less about the mixer ban now and more about free speech.


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How come cloudflare is not mitigating the attack? Aren't you using their protection services?

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How come cloudflare is not mitigating the attack? Aren't you using their protection services?

I was. But somehow they were still able to get a hold of my IP address. Exactly how they did it I don't know. Once they had it then they could send as many Layer 3/4 packets as they wanted since Cloudflare doesn't protect you from that. At least the free version doesn't, it only does layer 7 protection.

There was a brief (<12) hours period when I was using my default nameservers instead of cloudflare, but that was right after I registered the .org domain, so either they were very fast and alert, or they used another trick.

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BitMixList and the onion site are back online
Glad to know that the site is back. I checked it and saw a well-packaged website that is simple, yet contains some of the most important information about mixers. It is a sad reality that restrictions will soon be placed on mixers in this forum but I will heed your advice to bookmark this page because it is priceless. The idea of updating the information on the website means that one will access the current information. NotATether has always been a tireless Bitcoin promoter, I remember the Debunking Bitcoin's energy use campaign. Keep up the good work sir.

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BitMixList and the onion site are back online
Nice to see website is back online.

I was. But somehow they were still able to get a hold of my IP address. Exactly how they did it I don't know. Once they had it then they could send as many Layer 3/4 packets as they wanted since Cloudflare doesn't protect you from that. At least the free version doesn't, it only does layer 7 protection.
You probably leaked IP somehow by mistake, or some g0v was doing this attacks with unlimited resources.
I don't think that your case is anything special, as I heard many people reporting something similar recently, maybe they are gearing up for cyber-attack circus show.

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As we approach the new year, I am reasonably confident that this site will survive the January 1 mixer bans. Despite saying "Bitcoin Mixer List" in the title, and just writing that by itself does not break any rules by the way, the actual list of mixers is less than 1.3% of the site's content in words.

Ads have been binned across all sites. After thinking about it, I do not want to create a conflict of interest. I will not be running any ads there for the foreseeable future.

As a blog page, BitMixList does not meet criteria 1) and 2) of a mixer:

Something is considered a mixer if it meets all of these requirements:
 1. It has a feature advertised for taking property, improving its privacy somehow, and then returning roughly the same type of property.
     a. Even though you can sometimes use non-mixers to mix coins by depositing and then withdrawing, this doesn't make it a mixer because this is an incidental use of the service; the service isn't advertised as privacy-enhancing.
     b. If a site is not primarily a mixer but has a mixer function, such as a mixer function on a gambling website, then the whole site is considered a mixer.
     c. If the site takes coins, gives you a possibly-transferrable IOU, and will convert this IOU back into mixed coins much later, then the temporary conversion into a different type of property does not prevent it from being considered a mixer.
     d. If the site internally converts your deposit into other things as part of its mixing, but ultimately the point of the product is to get your original type of property back, then that's a mixer, not an exchanger.
 2. It is possible for the mixer to steal property passing through it. Assume that the sender does everything as correctly as possible. Also assume that no miners/verifiers on the base-layer cryptocurrency are evil. But assume that every other actor involved is evil (everyone able to vote in a DAO, every coordination server, every counterparty, every member of a multisig, etc.). Ignore short-term software bugs which are expected to be quickly fixed.
 3. The service does not collect KYC-type info from all users. (This is not an endorsement of KYC generally, or a condemnation of non-KYC services generally. Non-KYC services of other types are still allowed, and in many cases they are a good idea.)

Posting URLs to this site should be fine, although I advise against recommending the names of individual mixers directly on Bitcointalk, to stay on the safe side (posting mixer URLs is already not allowed).

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Now you are safe, lets see who is gonna attack your site from now on, though they might do it, but eventually they will run out of money and drop it. And if there is any issues in the future I'm sure you will find sponsors/donation supporters to keep this up. 😉

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This site is very well made. I can tell there was a lot of effort put into providing the best information possible. There is, however, some inaccurate information I found while skimming through the coinjoin section.

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Whirlpool is designed to be decentralized, meaning there is no central coordinator overseeing the mixing process.

Whirlpool coinjoins are centrally coordinated, just like Wasabi's. An article published on Foundation Devices' website contains a great summary on how Whirlpool works:

The most common type of Coinjoin is known as an ‘Centrally Coordinated’ one, where there are often many participants in each transaction. An example of this is the Samourai Wallet Whirlpool implementation. In this type of setup, multiple users connect to a central coordinator which acts as a the central authority between all participants....

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I had a chance to check your site. Well done. I hope you are generating good traffic. Can you PM me a stat about the traffic you are generating?

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NotATether, do you think that the mixer who tried to upgrade trust in his service through a staged case still deserves a place on this list?
I think about this

Or at least you could add another field in the table with a warning and a link to the scam accusation thread.

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@NotATether is everything working fine for your website, or is it just error on my side?
I tried visiting clearnet link with several browsers and they are all showing me 403 Forbidden error message.
Onion link appears to be working fine.


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@NotATether is everything working fine for your website, or is it just error on my side?
I tried visiting clearnet link with several browsers and they are all showing me 403 Forbidden error message.

Everything works normally for me, the site is online. There's something wrong on your side, I guess NotATether didn't block your IP  Wink
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@NotATether is everything working fine for your website, or is it just error on my side?
I tried visiting clearnet link with several browsers and they are all showing me 403 Forbidden error message.
Onion link appears to be working fine.



are you sure you went to BitMixList.org and not BitMixList.com?

The com domain is still on Hostinger, I can't transfer it out before the 60-day holding period has expired.

.org is hosted on bare metal.

NotATether, do you think that the mixer who tried to upgrade trust in his service through a staged case still deserves a place on this list?
I think about this

Or at least you could add another field in the table with a warning and a link to the scam accusation thread.

I need to remove PureMixer from the list, but I haven't found the time to do it yet. There are a few other edits I must also make as well, however I have an important work deadline ATM.

I had a chance to check your site. Well done. I hope you are generating good traffic. Can you PM me a stat about the traffic you are generating?

Cheers,

See above reply to examplens - I'm a bit busy at the moment, but when I get the chance, I might collect metrics for a few weeks and see what it's like.

Even I do not know the traffic stats (yet) Smiley

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are you sure you went to BitMixList.org and not BitMixList.com?
Oh yeah my bad, you are right... I visited old .com domain.  Roll Eyes
BitMixList.org works perfectly fine.
If I type exact same term in browser search it gave me old .com domain on top results, even if I type it with .org domain.

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I had a chance to check your site. Well done. I hope you are generating good traffic. Can you PM me a stat about the traffic you are generating?

Cheers,

See above reply to examplens - I'm a bit busy at the moment, but when I get the chance, I might collect metrics for a few weeks and see what it's like.

Even I do not know the traffic stats (yet) Smiley
Thank you. The site looks highly optimized for search engine traffic. I hope very soon you starts to receive good traffic. Once you get time then please do some analysis and feel free to show me the data. Good luck to the project you are working on now to meet the deadline.

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Very nice work and much appreciated.

I'm not "Legendary" except in my own mind, but as a privacy fanatic I am happy to have found my favorite mixer on your list and wonder why "privacy", which was part of Satoshi's original construct cannot be discussed openly here.
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I am constantly looking for more mirrors to chuck this on, as it is less about the mixer ban now and more about free speech.
You made a copying error in your list of mirrors:
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<a href="http://bitmixlist.w3spaces.com">bitmixlist.wordpress.com</a>

I can host knightmirror.bitmixlist.org for you, if you want. I've allocated 100 MB disk usage, 100 GB bandwidth. All you need to do is create a subdomain DNS entry to 103.214.6.202.
At the moment it only mirrors the main page, without images. How can I best keep everything updated?

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I am constantly looking for more mirrors to chuck this on, as it is less about the mixer ban now and more about free speech.
You made a copying error in your list of mirrors:
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<a href="http://bitmixlist.w3spaces.com">bitmixlist.wordpress.com</a>

I can host knightmirror.bitmixlist.org for you, if you want. I've allocated 100 MB disk usage, 100 GB bandwidth. All you need to do is create a subdomain DNS entry to 103.214.6.202.
At the moment it only mirrors the main page, without images. How can I best keep everything updated?

Much appreciated. That's what happens when you are forced to create dozens of mirrors Angry

It's a single-page site so you should use something like wget --mirror -np -k ...other options you want... https://bitmixlist.org to get all the resources including images, css, scripts from the main site.

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It's a single-page site so you should use something like wget --mirror -np -k ...other options you want... https://bitmixlist.org to get all the resources including images, css, scripts from the main site.
This works. After you create the Subdomain, the mirror should be ready and I don't have to buy a domain.

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I just found out this thread because examplens recommended the site on some thread on service discussion and i tried to search the site if available in this forum and i was right.

I suggest to make a repo in github to include the list, and let the community to fork it then just sync it later once there's a new list added/updated. This way it will be distributed how and what are the good and bad service as of the moment, you can link back your site too in the repo so it will get the backlink it needs.

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This is a welcome addition, especially after the 2024 rule change regarding mixing services on Bitcointalk.
Someone else already created something similar, but said they have no plans to maintain it. So, this will be the second mixer source I bookmark. It can come in handy to do some cleaning when the fees drop.

I have two suggestions.

1. Please add dark mode if you can.
2. It would be nice to have some ratings for the services, but I understand that it could be difficult to add without sounding biased. 

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Good News:

I have finally gotten hold of the BitMixList.com domain after transferring it out, and it now redirects to Bitmixlist.org.

Other updates set to commence in the next few days.

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New updates are being rolled out across the BitMixList mirrors.

Changelog:

- Puremixer clearnet link is removed because it is dead. TOR link stays for now.
- Add notice under Puremixer that they do not give you a letter of guarantee - later I decided against removing the entry entirely because I'm not sure whether most people will agree that it is an "future exit scam" as was written in the scam accusation for it (not linked here), only based on the fact that there is no letter of guarantee. Nevertheless, you are strongly advised against using any exchanging service (DEX, mixer, anything) that doesn't give you a letter of guarantee.
- Added another mixer which I forgot to add last December.
- Fixed description of Whirlpool - it is using centralized coordinators.
- Added the onion link and bitcoin donation address. For now, if you want to sponsor this website, make a donation to the address at the bottom of the page.

I still see some bot traffic but it is manageable and non-destructive.

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@NotATether, so far what we have on the list are mixers which were launched here and most of them vetted by forum members. In the future, will you start listing mixers that will be launched or announced elsewhere?
For example, I have seen some mixer announced in another forum, but it's still new so hard to know if it's genuine just yet.

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@NotATether, so far what we have on the list are mixers which were launched here and most of them vetted by forum members. In the future, will you start listing mixers that will be launched or announced elsewhere?
For example, I have seen some mixer announced in another forum, but it's still new so hard to know if it's genuine just yet.

I have received some PMs from new mixers asking me to add their links, so basically I'm trying to add every single resource as long as it's not dubious or a fraud service. Hence why things like Sinbad are not here.

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Congratulations.  Your website is growing fast.

I found a small bug in mobile, caused by a large word link in the mirrors list

This long mirror link


Is causing this:


You can fix forcing the word (link) to break in the UL tag that list the mirrors

Code:
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You can fix forcing the word (link) to break in the UL tag that list the mirrors

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This works, just tested.

Thanks. I'm going to add this in the next update.

PS - there has been some maintenance on the onion site. Now there are new Proof-of-Work and other anti-DDoS measures used on it. Please update Tor Browser to the latest version in order to open the Tor site properly. Although the browser usually takes care of that by itself, without you having to do anything.

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I can host knightmirror.bitmixlist.org for you, if you want. I've allocated 100 MB disk usage, 100 GB bandwidth. All you need to do is create a subdomain DNS entry to 103.214.6.202.
At the moment it only mirrors the main page, without images. How can I best keep everything updated?
This offer is still available and updates have been working for a month. Will you create the DNS subdomain?

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I have received some PMs from new mixers asking me to add their links, so basically I'm trying to add every single resource as long as it's not dubious or a fraud service. Hence why things like Sinbad are not here.
Watch out for this PM's.
I would be very careful with any new mixing services as you can't really prove if they are a fraud or not.
There is also one new scam accusation that was posted few days ago but I can't really say if this is genuine or not.

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I have received some PMs from new mixers asking me to add their links, so basically I'm trying to add every single resource as long as it's not dubious or a fraud service. Hence why things like Sinbad are not here.
Watch out for this PM's.
I would be very careful with any new mixing services as you can't really prove if they are a fraud or not.
There is also one new scam accusation that was posted few days ago but I can't really say if this is genuine or not.


I felt very safe using mixers which had active campaigns in bitcointalk and community support here.

Some moved campaigns to altcoinstalks, but most stills lacks ann and representatives

It  will be hard for new mixers to establish if they don't do that imo

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I can host knightmirror.bitmixlist.org for you, if you want. I've allocated 100 MB disk usage, 100 GB bandwidth. All you need to do is create a subdomain DNS entry to 103.214.6.202.
At the moment it only mirrors the main page, without images. How can I best keep everything updated?
This offer is still available and updates have been working for a month. Will you create the DNS subdomain?

Actually I tried creating the DNS entry for this subdomain and the IP address you posted here some days ago, but when I pointed my browser to the website, it just showed the text: "webserver is functioning normally".

I set it to knightmbmirror.bitmixlist.org for some reason, though I will probably get rid of the bold part if that's the problem. It turns out that that was the issue, and pointing to knightmirror should work fine now. By the way, how are you updating the mirror?

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By the way, how are you updating the mirror?
I run this once a day:
Code:
wget -q --mirror -np -k https://bitmixlist.org

In this download, your link shouldn't be relative:
Code:
<li><a href="index.html">bitmixlist.org</a></li>

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Last edit: February 27, 2024, 12:54:39 PM by NotATether
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All:

Please be advised that you may see a "Google Safe Browsing" warning when going to BitMixList.org on a Chrome-based browser. Apparently, I was told by Google Search Console that the page has "harmful content" though it doesn't say what. Note that BitMixList is a single-page site - there is no Wordpress backend or the like, and there is only a single HTML, CSS and JS file. Additionally, there is no downloadable content on the site.

The chance of you seeing this warning is very low but if it comes up (I have not been able to make it display), you can disregard the warning.
RESOLVED.

This does not affect any of the mirrors.

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Please be advised that you may see a "Google Safe Browsing" warning when going to BitMixList.org on a Chrome-based browser. Apparently, I was told by Google Search Console that the page has "harmful content" though it doesn't say what.
Could this be some new type of attack on your website?
I am not seeing any harmful content warning, but I think that only shows if people or bots report website for some reason like scam, phishing, etc.

One small correction,
You added AgoraDesk, eXch, Tradeogre and other exchange services under the list of Private DEXs, but most of them are not decentralized.
Only Bisq is DEX from that list, so maybe you should rename from DEX to Exchanges, if you want to put them all together.


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One small correction,
You added AgoraDesk, eXch, Tradeogre and other exchange services under the list of Private DEXs, but most of them are not decentralized.
Only Bisq is DEX from that list, so maybe you should rename from DEX to Exchanges, if you want to put them all together.



I think "private exchanges" would be better but yeah I get what you mean.

It will be corrected in the next update.

Oh and also - Google has removed the misleading warnings now. So at least I know there's at least one support center in Google that is not manned by robots.

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Does anyone know why ScamAdvisor is showing BitMixList as being "very risky"?  Huh

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Does anyone know why ScamAdvisor is showing BitMixList as being "very risky"?  Huh
You score a 7 / 100. The first mixer from your list that I checked scores a 1 / 100 (and has a "review" with a referral link). It looks like a bunch of automated BS.

The site "explains" it (I'm not adding a link because I don't want to reward them with another backlink):
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The identify of the website owner has been hidden. This may be done for a valid reason as spammers use this information to email website owners. Unfortunately is also makes identification of the owner difficult. We prefer if the website does show his true identity.

We found markers on this website promising an easy way to make a profit. Our experience is that investment opportunities with high returns are also likely to have a very high-risk portfolio. There does not exist a "guaranteed income" or "secure profit". Please invest time to research this company further before investing your money. Our article "High Risk Financial Investment Scams" can help.

Cloudflare is a Content Delivery Network (CDN) Platform that does not offer web hosting services. It simply offers web performance and security. Additionally, Cloudflare collaborates with IBM Cloud and Google Cloud Platform, which implies that the three businesses have many well-known clients in common. The Domain Name Service (DNS), one of Cloudflare's most well-known products, integrates security measures like a Web Application Firewall and a DDoS-blocker. Because of the platform's solid reputation, many reliable organizations and platforms, including ScamAdviser, use it; nevertheless, like anything else on the internet, scammers can still exploit its services.

Webshop Review

The Tranco ranking of this website is low. This can be considered low in relation to other websites from the website's country. If you think this website should be very popular, please invest additional time in researching the company as this is suspicious. For a smaller or starting website a low ranking can be considered normal.

Cryptocurrency related information and/or services were detected on this website such as digital exchanges, bitcoin-mining or investments into crypto-coins. These digital valuta services are very difficult to judge. Unfortunately, many crypto-sites prove to be scams. We recommend you read our article How to check if a cryptocurrency site is legit or a scam..

This website was set-up recently. As a result, we advise you to really take the time to check this site out before you interact with it. You can use our blog post "How to recognize a scam" to do so. Scam sites are often very young. They are removed from the web after a couple of months as too many consumers leave negative reviews and social media comments. Till that time, they will try to scam you.

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The company seems to support payment methods that offer a "money-back guarantee" such as Alipay, Mastercard, Paypal, and Visa. While this money-back guarantee is not 100% secure, it does allow consumers in most cases to get their money back if the product is not delivered or proves to be fake.

We identified an SSL certificate meaning that the data shared between your browser and the website is encrypted and cannot be read by others. SSL certificates are always used by legit and safe websites. Unfortunately scammers increasingly also use SSL certificates so it is no guarantee that you are visiting a reliable website.
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The site explains it (I'm not adding a link because I don't want to reward them with another backlink):
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This is probably an auto-generated bunch of nonsense. Some AI tool that checks basic things about site and domain settings.
For example, the SSL certificate is now free on almost all hosting services and only a complete amateur will not add it, because it does not require any knowledge. Everything is done in a few clicks.
With or without Cloudflare, there is no indicator whether a website is a scam or not.
They automatically write an analysis for the webshop, even though the site does not have to have one.

They and similar services do more harm than good with these AI scam analyses and deserve a rating of 1/10 because only makes it harder for those trying to do their research.

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Does anyone know why ScamAdvisor is showing BitMixList as being "very risky"?  Huh
Probably because someone reported you  Tongue
Maybe that person is against any bitcoin mixers or he has something personal against you.
I wouldn't pay much attention, but you can always register and complete manual verification, if you want to pay for this.

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It seems it's time to remove YoMix and 4 other mixers (read the news).

- Additionally, Webmixer launched in 2020.
- I also think it would be reasonable to do a ranking by year.

I also have no idea why you didn’t contact me about advertising, considering how long we’ve been working in the place.  Undecided

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(read the news).
I can't find anything. What did I miss?

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(read the news).
I can't find anything. What did I miss?

I saw that Lazarus group is using them

https://cryptodaily.co.uk/2024/02/north-korean-hackers-are-now-using-yomix-to-launder-stolen-funds

However, it looks to be still operating.

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I can't find anything. What did I miss?
YoMix has stolen more than $200,000 in the past few weeks.

In addition, several users on a closed forum reported that YoMix and some mixers (Sinbad and several other well-known ones) are managed by the same organization.

Hopefully I'll be able to tell you more soon.

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It seems it's time to remove YoMix and 4 other mixers (read the news).

This is serious and I wasn't aware of it till now.

PM me the list of questionable mixers. I was only able to find the @bitmover link so I'm definitely missing more.

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My apologies! I thought you did not do banner ads. No hard feelings  Wink



I know I have wrote this on the site but I would like to reiterate that BitMixList is not a promoter for money laundering. Therefore any mixers egregiously engaging in this activity will be deleted from the website.

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It seems it's time to remove YoMix and 4 other mixers (read the news).

This is serious and I wasn't aware of it till now.

PM me the list of questionable mixers. I was only able to find the @bitmover link so I'm definitely missing more.

As far as I can find, all of the articles are based on a Chainalaysis investigation https://www.chainalysis.com/blog/2024-crypto-money-laundering/
There are also some accusations from users who have been scammed but without any concrete evidence.

I am also interested in the list of other problematic mixers.

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All the offending mixers have been removed from the site. Thanks @icopress

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PureMixer told me in a private conversation that they are now completely closed (forever).

PureMixerio    2024-03-14    Reference    PureMixerio has permanently ceased providing services to clients.

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PureMixer told me in a private conversation that they are now completely closed (forever).

PureMixerio    2024-03-14    Reference    PureMixerio has permanently ceased providing services to clients.

Strange.

Looks like I'll have to update the list again.

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I'll leave this here (regarding Ym/Cr) [google translator should do a great job through the camera].

XSS is a kind of closed party for hackers, a forum where about 500 users are always online (on Bitcointalk it’s even less). Almost all commercial activities are insured by deposits (deposits that are kept by the forum administrators). As a result, any accusations of fraud are considered by the treasurers (I think you understand that these people have a basic understanding).

YoMix used this forum for advertising for many years and had a deposit of 1 Bitcoin. In addition, the YoMix thread was pinned in the services section. This whole conversation boils down to the fact that after the accusation of fraud was published, and after the treasurer of the forum examined the case, the deposit was confiscated and yomix was banned.



In addition, moderator  xss "bratva" notified everyone that shortly before this, the official YoMix account withdrew a deposit from another forum called "Exploit" (any mixer who wanted to conduct marketing activities had to make a deposit that would cover any claims).

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Among other things, user grozdniyandy reported that the YoMix domain was on the same IP address with some other mixer domains, including digital ones (from which we can conclude that they belong to the same person). A little more than 2 weeks later, the same user reported that YoMix had changed the server.

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There are some more mentions on Reddit, but I think the complaints posted on xss are enough.

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In addition, delving into this case, I was able to talk to some people whose level of knowledge is colossal. And they shared information that sinbad was not confiscated by the authorities, saying that this was just a very well-developed trick to relieve tension. Which is quite logical... considering that chainalysis reported that after the closure of sinbad that YoMix's turnover increased 5 times. Secondly, this was the first time that a stub was placed in the site’s corporate style (some people appreciated LZ’s humor).

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In addition, delving into this case, I was able to talk to some people whose level of knowledge is colossal. And they shared information that sinbad was not confiscated by the authorities, saying that this was just a very well-developed trick to relieve tension. Which is quite logical... considering that chainalysis reported that after the closure of sinbad that YoMix's turnover increased 5 times. Secondly, this was the first time that a stub was placed in the site’s corporate style (some people appreciated LZ’s humor).
Thanks for posting screenshots with more information, but I don't understand this last part.
I can't be certain what exactly happened and if something was staged and fake, but I looked for government sources in the time that incident happened.
There was official statement from US state department claiming they sanctioned and seized sinbad, and U think there was even a seizure number posted somewhere:
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"The Federal Bureau of Investigation has seized the service in accordance with a seizure warrant pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 981 and 982 as part of a coordinated international law-enforcement operation."
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1933
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/us-seizes-sinbad-crypto-mixer-used-by-north-korean-lazarus-hackers/

But looking at this again now, and maybe it was just sanctioned, not actually seized.

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Thanks for posting screenshots with more information, but I don't understand this last part.
I can't be certain what exactly happened and if something was staged and fake, but I looked for government sources in the time that incident happened.
There was official statement from US state department claiming they sanctioned and seized sinbad, and U think there was even a seizure number posted somewhere:
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"The Federal Bureau of Investigation has seized the service in accordance with a seizure warrant pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 981 and 982 as part of a coordinated international law-enforcement operation."
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1933
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/us-seizes-sinbad-crypto-mixer-used-by-north-korean-lazarus-hackers/

But looking at this again now, and maybe it was just sanctioned, not actually seized.
Now this reminds me of the account that registered here and posted about the seizure even before any member in the forum got to know about it.

Could they have premeditated the whole move?  Shocked

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In addition, delving into this case, I was able to talk to some people whose level of knowledge is colossal. And they shared information that sinbad was not confiscated by the authorities, saying that this was just a very well-developed trick to relieve tension. Which is quite logical... considering that chainalysis reported that after the closure of sinbad that YoMix's turnover increased 5 times. Secondly, this was the first time that a stub was placed in the site’s corporate style (some people appreciated LZ’s humor).
Thanks for posting screenshots with more information, but I don't understand this last part.
I can't be certain what exactly happened and if something was staged and fake, but I looked for government sources in the time that incident happened.
There was official statement from US state department claiming they sanctioned and seized sinbad, and U think there was even a seizure number posted somewhere:
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"The Federal Bureau of Investigation has seized the service in accordance with a seizure warrant pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 981 and 982 as part of a coordinated international law-enforcement operation."
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1933
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/us-seizes-sinbad-crypto-mixer-used-by-north-korean-lazarus-hackers/

But looking at this again now, and maybe it was just sanctioned, not actually seized.

This is interesting, the US government do not mention the word "seized", they used the word sanctioned.

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WASHINGTON — Today, the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) sanctioned Sinbad.io (Sinbad), a virtual currency mixer that serves as a key money-laundering tool of the OFAC-designated Lazarus Group, a state-sponsored cyber hacking group of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK).

But I remember sinbad saying that they were still operational, even after all that, and then theymos banned the mixers.

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Thanks for sharing, is the registration for XSS available?


In addition, delving into this case, I was able to talk to some people whose level of knowledge is colossal. And they shared information that sinbad was not confiscated by the authorities, saying that this was just a very well-developed trick to relieve tension. Which is quite logical... considering that chainalysis reported that after the closure of sinbad that YoMix's turnover increased 5 times. Secondly, this was the first time that a stub was placed in the site’s corporate style (some people appreciated LZ’s humor).


I tend to not agree with this, Sinbad.io(not .onion) was seized and registration data for Sinbad.io similar to what happened with Chipmixer + we have a screenshot from the @fyodnederland account



Back-End and mixer Bitcoins were not confiscated.



As it seemed, they were planning to create .onion sinbad link and turned into darket-Mixer but and after the signature campaign was included in the sanctions list, they used Yomix instead.


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In addition, delving into this case, I was able to talk to some people whose level of knowledge is colossal. And they shared information that sinbad was not confiscated by the authorities, saying that this was just a very well-developed trick to relieve tension. Which is quite logical... considering that chainalysis reported that after the closure of sinbad that YoMix's turnover increased 5 times. Secondly, this was the first time that a stub was placed in the site’s corporate style (some people appreciated LZ’s humor).


I tend to not agree with this, Sinbad.io(not .onion) was seized and registration data for Sinbad.io similar to what happened with Chipmixer + we have a screenshot from the @fyodnederland account

I would say that what icopress claims is closer to reality than everything that was finally presented here.

Whoever is behind the @fyodnederland account knew things very well on Bitcointalk. The only address recognized as a connection to sinbad is the escrow address from the sig. campaign, with a fairly small amount of around $10k at the time.
The image used as the seizing page and also in @fyodnederland posts is from sinbad Price Prediction Challenge Used only once in this topic.
Not to mention how quickly the @fyodnederland account was registered to post all these things. I got the impression that they posted it here before the people behind sinbad found out that their site was seized.

The only similarity with chipmixer is that the index page on the clearnet site has been replaced.
Unfortunately, theymos banned them so fast, so we did not receive the promised explanation, as well as the announcement that the service will be restored.

I'm not sure if it's just a trick and in the ownership connection of these two mixers, but it certainly looks like a show for those who read Bitcointalk.

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I'll leave this here (regarding Ym/Cr) [google translator should do a great job through the camera].

Unfortunately the power is currently out where I am right now but I will go through all the information including the Russian text (I don't speak Russian) and will take appropriate actions.

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In addition, delving into this case, I was able to talk to some people whose level of knowledge is colossal. And they shared information that sinbad was not confiscated by the authorities, saying that this was just a very well-developed trick to relieve tension.

I do like the theory but there is one major thing stopping me from believing it and that is the official statement of the Dutch Financial Intelligence and Investigation Service (FIOD), their official website is www.fiod.nl, and the article regarding seizing Sinbad is found here https://www.fiod.nl/fiod-takes-large-crypto-currency-mixer-off-the-air/ which also contains the same image that was present in Sinbad's website.

The article explicitly says

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Dutch investigative agencies such as the FIOD will continue to crack down on this. This action aimed at Sinbad.io is a heavy blow to organized crime and also serves as an example and warning to founders and users of similar services.

Then posts the said image.

Strange enough there is no mention of it on the Finnish police website or any other place that is Finnish official.

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In addition, delving into this case, I was able to talk to some people whose level of knowledge is colossal. And they shared information that sinbad was not confiscated by the authorities, saying that this was just a very well-developed trick to relieve tension.
I do like the theory but there is one major thing stopping me from believing it and that is the official statement of the Dutch Financial Intelligence and Investigation Service (FIOD), their official website is www.fiod.nl, and the article regarding seizing Sinbad is found here https://www.fiod.nl/fiod-takes-large-crypto-currency-mixer-off-the-air/ which also contains the same image that was present in Sinbad's website.
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I do believe the domain name and servers were seized, but at the time it did sound like the people operating it would continue. Then Admin locked their topic and banned the OP from Bitcointalk, so it ended here.

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I discovered today that the Telegram contact I had with Yo!Mix is not active anymore, it shows me error for the username which means they removed the telegram.

In addition, delving into this case, I was able to talk to some people whose level of knowledge is colossal. And they shared information that sinbad was not confiscated by the authorities, saying that this was just a very well-developed trick to relieve tension.
FUD! This is a baseless information you received. Sinbad management was the most professional and client/customer/employee friendly management I have ever managed a campaign. They respected their clients, their signature campaign members, campaign manager, business partners with highest standard. They were transparent about the incident happened. They even made sure that they do not have any debt existed before they good bye and leave. There were no valid scam accusation has been seen yet (at least I have not seen any).

I also have no idea why you didn’t contact me about advertising, considering how long we’ve been working in the place.  Undecided
Bad luck this time. By the way, other day I noticed Duelbits is advertising on Bitcoindata.Science, may be you can ask the same to bitmover?

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Now this reminds me of the account that registered here and posted about the seizure even before any member in the forum got to know about it.
This was clearly NL government controlled account, but I don't know if they had any influence on things that happened later with previously mentioned mixer.

I do believe the domain name and servers were seized, but at the time it did sound like the people operating it would continue. Then Admin locked their topic and banned the OP from Bitcointalk, so it ended here.
I tried to find some type of register or official list of cryptocurrency related websites/mixers that got seized by government, but I couldn't find anything.

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It would be great if you could add a special page for all seized old mixers, I think it is important for us to track this and record history.


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I do believe the domain name and servers were seized, but at the time it did sound like the people operating it would continue. Then Admin locked their topic and banned the OP from Bitcointalk, so it ended here.
I tried to find some type of register or official list of cryptocurrency related websites/mixers that got seized by government, but I couldn't find anything.

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It would be great if you could add a special page for all seized old mixers, I think it is important for us to track this and record history.

That's a great idea! But it can't be a separate page, as many of the sites are single-page variants. A section on the main page should do, but I will have to make it detailed.

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That's a great idea! But it can't be a separate page, as many of the sites are single-page variants. A section on the main page should do, but I will have to make it detailed.
Maybe you can create a separate section in the bottom of the page to be used just for seized mixers.
Things that should be included for this is archived link (to avoid original pages getting deleted), screenshot would be nice, and information about exact authority that performed a seizure.
 

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In the wake of Samourai Wallet being seized (ugh), what do you guys think of me doing an investigation into the circumstances behind the seizure and posting them on the site?

It would have to be on its own page, of course, so that means only on the main domain, with the mirrors linking back to it.

It could potentially be a nuisance if the DDoS attackers come back, but AFAIK I don't believe that I have leaked the IP address this time around.

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April 25, 2024, 10:01:55 AM
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In the wake of Samourai Wallet being seized (ugh), what do you guys think of me doing an investigation into the circumstances behind the seizure and posting them on the site?

It would have to be on its own page, of course, so that means only on the main domain, with the mirrors linking back to it.

It could potentially be a nuisance if the DDoS attackers come back, but AFAIK I don't believe that I have leaked the IP address this time around.

I honestly do not think that such things as any investigation are the reason for a DDoS attack. For example, bitmover's website bitcoindata.science was also under attack, and there are no accusations or statements about any services on it. Just a few useful tools, mainly for Bitcointalk users.

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In the wake of Samourai Wallet being seized (ugh), what do you guys think of me doing an investigation into the circumstances behind the seizure and posting them on the site?
You can do that, it would be interesting reading material, but didn't you say that you can't create separate pages? Wink

Note that it was not only Samourai wallet website that was seized, they also removed their Gitlab page, coordinator is down, and you can't even use it via Sparrow wallet.
I think that samourai old github page is still there but this is outdated code, and all keys previously generated by Samourai should be considered unsafe now.

Sparrow wallet with Whirlpool is not working anymore, so you can consider removing it from list, or moving in separate section.

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In the wake of Samourai Wallet being seized (ugh), what do you guys think of me doing an investigation into the circumstances behind the seizure and posting them on the site?
You can do that, it would be interesting reading material, but didn't you say that you can't create separate pages? Wink

That is correct, on most of the mirrors I cannot create separate pages due to their architecture, but the primary site, which is on my own metal, is currently serving simple HTML files and I could easily make it use a CMS instead.

In fact I was using Wordpress before the attack. But I think I will use another one.

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Note that it was not only Samourai wallet website that was seized, they also removed their Gitlab page, coordinator is down, and you can't even use it via Sparrow wallet.
I think that samourai old github page is still there but this is outdated code, and all keys previously generated by Samourai should be considered unsafe now.

Sparrow wallet with Whirlpool is not working anymore, so you can consider removing it from list, or moving in separate section.

Good point. What a nuisance these feds are creating in the name of "AML".

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April 25, 2024, 12:35:41 PM
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In the wake of Samourai Wallet being seized (ugh), what do you guys think of me doing an investigation into the circumstances behind the seizure and posting them on the site?

It would have to be on its own page, of course, so that means only on the main domain, with the mirrors linking back to it.

It could potentially be a nuisance if the DDoS attackers come back, but AFAIK I don't believe that I have leaked the IP address this time around.

I honestly do not think that such things as any investigation are the reason for a DDoS attack. For example, bitmover's website bitcoindata.science was also under attack, and there are no accusations or statements about any services on it. Just a few useful tools, mainly for Bitcointalk users.


As far as I know, every decent website in the internet suffers heavy ddos attacks.
This is why every (most of theem at least) big website has to run behind cloudflare/aws which are the most effective providers that can protect from those heavy ddos attacks...


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I am going to wait for a few more days to see if any more services fall before I update the website.

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May 05, 2024, 10:50:36 PM
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I am going to wait for a few more days to see if any more services fall before I update the website.
It looks like you will have more mixers to scrap off the list. I don't know if you are aware, but unijoin and tumbler are both offline as of now. No communication from both teams. unijoin has even it's social media accounts removed/deleted.

I just hope no one was scammed in the process. It's getting very wild since the mixer ban in this forum!

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