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December 13, 2023, 02:28:25 PM
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Football indeed is a gme of passion. A passion that drives you to win at all cost and not loss. I come to understand that when it comes to football the roots and foundation of a football team matters. A team that is not built with a strong foundation. In terms of reputation, pattern, performance and strategy may affect the players that will be playing in that team years to come. What am saying in essence is that football may be hereditary. I believe you may or may not gree to the fact that some football clubs have passed down the spirit of not able to win league titles in as much as the current players of that team tries. They always end up bottling the league at the end.

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December 13, 2023, 02:41:08 PM
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For a single person I can accept that is a heritage because some of the most known player today are the cost their parents or their relatives were into footballing and they are skilled and dedicated ones for that matter. Then go back to team or as club in a football when they don't have structure and solid foundation it makes it very difficult to achieve some common league why because there are lots of incompetent players that was brought into the club all less it's being change to have a newly signed up players otherwise such team won't experience much growth but as time keeps going you will later find out that there is need for a total structure.
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December 13, 2023, 02:43:03 PM
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Do not get this wrong. You will see some clubs in relegation now. If you go back in the past, you will see them in the first league which is the top league in the country. If you need examples, I can make make research about it and tell you. I am talking about decades to a century.

Some clubs are always at the top most of the time because they are richer and buy best players. The have better sponsors and they go better.

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December 13, 2023, 02:48:59 PM
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Do not get this wrong. You will see some clubs in relegation now. If you go back in the past, you will see them in the first league which is the top league in the country. If you need examples, I can make make research about it and tell you. I am talking about decades to a century.

Some clubs are always at the top most of the time because they are richer and buy best players. The have better sponsors and they go better.
I would appreciate if you show me some instances buddy.

No doubt money can influence the performance of a team because they have the money to buy expensive players but there is no assurance that that player will perform well in the team. Manchester united had bought two players last season Antonio and one other guy but what are they doing now? Also, Chelsea bought so many players as well still there have not been much an improvement. Expensive players and bad management will still lead to the downfall of the team.

What is more important is how well can the manger use those players to bring success to the team.

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December 13, 2023, 02:56:29 PM
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Football indeed is a gme of passion. A passion that drives you to win at all cost and not loss. I come to understand that when it comes to football the roots and foundation of a football team matters. A team that is not built with a strong foundation. In terms of reputation, pattern, performance and strategy may affect the players that will be playing in that team years to come. What am saying in essence is that football may be hereditary. I believe you may or may not gree to the fact that some football clubs have passed down the spirit of not able to win league titles in as much as the current players of that team tries. They always end up bottling the league at the end.
Let's use club like Manchester City as an example,  Manchester City is a club that really knows the kind of players they want, same thing with the kind of coaches they want. Manchester City always go for quality and they do not fall below their standard of managing a player hoping that the player will do better in the future.  Because of the club having an understanding of what they want it has always help the club to do well in every season.

If Manchester City decides to bring average players and a coach that is not well experienced,  I promise you will see the club close to the relegation zone, because Manchester City is good it does not mean if an average player should be signed  into the club it does not guarantee that the average player will inherit the good performance former good players.

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December 13, 2023, 03:09:11 PM
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I would appreciate if you show me some instances buddy.
Example is when Leicester City won the EPL in 2015/2016. Now in Championship.
Blackburn Rovers left relegation in 1992 and won premier League in 1994/1995, but relegated later.
I think only Arsenal has not relegated from Premier League before since many decades ago before 1992.

You can take a look at this table, you will know that many if the clubs have related before

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unrelegated_association_football_clubs

But some clubs are good and now retaining good title for many years because of the reason that I stated above which is better sponsorship offers and better players because they have money to buy the players to play for them. They also have they best managers.

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December 13, 2023, 03:18:04 PM
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The initial foundation is indeed very important but besides that we must also realize that such things cannot be maintained all the time and indeed we have seen many clubs that even used to be a very good club but slowly their consistency to be a big club must be displaced for several reasons that make their consistency and club name fade over time.
Even we know for the EPL there are a lot of clubs that were very good in the last few decades but slowly it was replaced with a new spirit or indeed money that controlled.
Now maybe the latest if you know there is the name of the Santos club in Brazil which has even given birth to many legends such as Pele and Neymar even they now have to be relegated after more than 1 century never felt the bitterness of a decline in performance so in this case the synergy must be maintained because in the end the legacy or whatever it is still when there is no really good synergy it can make them lose a hope that makes the club go out.

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December 13, 2023, 03:22:52 PM
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Let's use club like Manchester City as an example,  Manchester City is a club that really knows the kind of players they want, same thing with the kind of coaches they want. Manchester City always go for quality and they do not fall below their standard of managing a player hoping that the player will do better in the future.  Because of the club having an understanding of what they want it has always help the club to do well in every season.

If Manchester City decides to bring average players and a coach that is not well experienced,  I promise you will see the club close to the relegation zone, because Manchester City is good it does not mean if an average player should be signed  into the club it does not guarantee that the average player will inherit the good performance former good players.
Not only Manchester City but also Chelsea as an example how money get most important thing for both teams success won many trophies after acquisition and have much money. Abramovich success make Chelsea become big fourth of Premier League teams and Manchester City dominance winning many Premier League trophies after having much money.
Teams football history is not really important now because money can make unpredictable team success lead top achievement, I sure if new teams get huge investor in the future will be top team and dominance with domestic league competition. After Manchester City which one new teams will change the old dominance team for winning domestic league trophies?

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December 13, 2023, 03:34:49 PM
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These clubs have had their heritage and indeed it is somewhat spiritual. The fans and their craze and the emotion that goes into these games is on another level. That is why gambling on these games is common and has become regular from majority of sports players out there.

Some game lovers might disagree here that the heritage is being destroyed by gambling and the fan-craze, but I see these things as one fuels the other and if you have craze you will have betting happening too and its good for the games and the companies that run them.

Overall, we should do our part in preserving the heritage.

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December 13, 2023, 03:50:40 PM
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Football indeed is a gme of passion. A passion that drives you to win at all cost and not loss. I come to understand that when it comes to football the roots and foundation of a football team matters. A team that is not built with a strong foundation. In terms of reputation, pattern, performance and strategy may affect the players that will be playing in that team years to come. What am saying in essence is that football may be hereditary. I believe you may or may not gree to the fact that some football clubs have passed down the spirit of not able to win league titles in as much as the current players of that team tries. They always end up bottling the league at the end.

What about teams that have been the face of the Leagues many years back but today, they are one of the most shitty clubs to ever exist. Look at Manchester United and Chelsea for example, they have a history of being one of the greatest teams in any English Leagues but look at what has been happening to them, it is a shame to even openly support them and even the fans have stress to breathing anytime they have a match because they always choke them all the time. In the past, even in their worst moment, they were not this bad as they used to play in the past, I don't think your facts can checkmate in some aspect.

There may be some clubs I have to know in many leagues, your theory might be right in this aspect because if you take a deep decades back to the club, they don't have anything to show off about the club performance, if you watch Premier League very well, Everton for the last 20 years don't have a Premier League in their shelf, Nottingham Forest doesn't have too for the last 4o years and somehow these teams many times played repeatedly in the Premier League.

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December 13, 2023, 04:05:20 PM
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Football is a something we cannot predict right on the time because, you can see some teams in the premier league competition displayed well but they are not doing well in the UEFA champions league competition which are real in some teams if you can carry out your research to know those team. But if the coach is good in the area of impacting potential skills to the players rightly, it make the players look spiritual in the football but the moment the coach begin to miss it in some areas the team will begin to go down.

You see what is happening to a popular team that used huge amount of money to buy players in the summer to withstand some strong teams but they only know how to draw with big teams and lose to small teams.

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December 13, 2023, 04:21:21 PM
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What am saying in essence is that football may be hereditary. I believe you may or may not gree to the fact that some football clubs have passed down the spirit of not able to win league titles in as much as the current players of that team tries. They always end up bottling the league at the end.

I do not agree that teams performance is hereditary. I thought you were trying to talk about family connection to football or hereditary. Like some families have older ones who have liked and played football in their youth age whether international or local even to the parents and grand parents.

So I accept it is hereditary for families and their siblings but for clubs or teams, I doubt that. If a team is not performing and they desire to perform, what they need to do is to wait for transfer season and do their buy of choicest players plus coach. Some years back Manchester city wasn't in the top team list but they have been able to do that in recent years.

The most important thing for team is to have the finance to be able to overhaul their team but if a team lack the finance then it could support your assertion that the team performance is hereditary but with finance, they can change their fortune.

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December 13, 2023, 04:21:48 PM
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Football's a game that gets the blood pumping, no doubt about it.  The competitive drive to come out on top is a big piece of why we can't get enough.  Sure, talent and skill make a difference at the end of the day.  But I'd say the real bedrock of a squad - its origins and makeup - carry just as much influence

Now, theres always outliers messing with the formula.  Teams can shake off years of letdowns and finally snatch the trophy.  But that's typically because they ripped out the losing mindset and created an expectation to win.

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December 13, 2023, 04:30:41 PM
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It is true that strong foundation and spirit of performance in playing greatly influence the quality and achievements of team, but still building strong foundation can be built if there are adequate finances so that you can build perfect squad to create performance that can compete.
Finances are the only major factor in the success of football team. The team that is currently always at the top with various titles is team owned by billionaire who is able to support certain amount of money in buying players and recruiting coaches.
Without adequate finances, football team will only be like blunt spear, they cannot penetrate anything to achieve the goals they want to achieve.
Many lower team are only able to have players who are not that great and in fact they find it difficult to develop, even from the past there has always been no achievement in winning championship title, this is why weak team will be considered to have had poor performance for generations.
But there is difficulty that lower team will have in being able to develop, namely that there is no one who is really capable of pouring in large amounts of money because it is difficult for team like that to make profit and will take long time to develop.
So there will only be team that really already big who always dominates every competition.

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December 13, 2023, 04:43:16 PM
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What am saying in essence is that football may be hereditary. I believe you may or may not gree to the fact that some football clubs have passed down the spirit of not able to win league titles in as much as the current players of that team tries. They always end up bottling the league at the end.

I don't believe this. I believe a team does well based on planning. Football heritage to me is what that club has offered to football. Take a club like Barcelona for example. They've had legends like Cryuff, Ronaldinho, Pep, Henry and so on to their name. When you're mentioning household names in football you'll call them.
Football heritage is not how club wins the league. If you look, there are teams who have won leagues multiple times that are mid table teams today. If a club bottle's the league, it doesn't mean they don't have football heritage. Arsenal is football heritage but they bottled the league twice; to Leicester and Man City.
Manchester United can't win the league today, but they can be called football heritage.

When a club is very well organized and run, they will win titles or atblesst conoete for it. And a lot of things determine if the club will be well run, finance is a part of it.

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December 13, 2023, 04:45:52 PM
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Football's a game that gets the blood pumping, no doubt about it.  The competitive drive to come out on top is a big piece of why we can't get enough.  Sure, talent and skill make a difference at the end of the day.  But I'd say the real bedrock of a squad - its origins and makeup - carry just as much influence

Now, theres always outliers messing with the formula.  Teams can shake off years of letdowns and finally snatch the trophy.  But that's typically because they ripped out the losing mindset and created an expectation to win.

I think it depends on the management of a team actually as although I agree it is about heritage it can also be because of management.The management of Manchester United is a good clear example of how to completely ruin a heritage,they insist in keeping the coach which is going from bad to worse and is also intimidating the players somehow by vetoing his decisions and making players who are more fit to be wingers to be playing in midfield.Manchester is a great club with huge history in England for what they have achieved and I think to destroy such team only to flatter a coach who does not deserve it.This was to demonstrate that some times also management impacts the team story while overall it is like you say,most teams have heritage and it is somewhat spiritual.

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December 13, 2023, 04:59:58 PM
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A great soccer club today laboured to become reputable over the years, hence the need for only the best players with as much talent and potential to adapt to the living conditions as well as be disciplined.
The best buy are often those who love and understand soccer because of their parents involvement due to the fact they did so before and have the advantage to introduce their offspring to the game now with the influence they already have on ground.

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December 13, 2023, 05:05:44 PM
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This is not about heritage; all I can say is that it's about being devoted, consistent, sacrificing, and doing everything that can make it possible for them to win big.
 
One tree can't make a forest, so one person can't make a difference in an entire team. You can start the change, but it won't be effective if others don't follow. So it's not about previous scores or what they have achieved or have not achieved in the past;

it's about the club being able to accept change and change their pattern. If it's to bring in more effective players, they pave the way for it. You can't be in the same place with no upgrade in skill, and everywhere is necessary. If you want to make a difference, competition is high, so to win, one needs to step up.
 
Although there are people who have so much positive energy in them, which can trigger a team to win to some extent, and there are also people who don't excel when they are in some particular club, all that matters is change, and I don't see anything like hereditary in play here.

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December 13, 2023, 05:29:44 PM
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What am saying in essence is that football may be hereditary. I believe you may or may not gree to the fact that some football clubs have passed down the spirit of not able to win league titles in as much as the current players of that team tries. They always end up bottling the league at the end.
OP, I think you are aware that anything hereditary is transmitted through blood, not by the physical characteristics of various individuals assembled to form a team. This means that a team's success or failure cannot be inherited, regardless of how we evaluate their current performance. For example, before Pep Guardiola joined Manchester City, could anyone honestly name Manchester City as one of the greatest clubs in the world? However, given their current performance, you can confidently name them among the best teams in the world, even though they won't be the center of attention in football for years to come.

What I am trying to say in essence is that a team's bad or good performance can not be transmitted(hereditary) from one generation to another because all the players in the team are not linked together by blood rather each of them is brought into the team by signing of the contract to play for the team for a space of time. No connection that a bad team that was bad years back will transmit their bad performance to a present team when they have had a change of coach, management, and players

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December 13, 2023, 05:30:38 PM
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Football indeed is a gme of passion. A passion that drives you to win at all cost and not loss. I come to understand that when it comes to football the roots and foundation of a football team matters. A team that is not built with a strong foundation. In terms of reputation, pattern, performance and strategy may affect the players that will be playing in that team years to come. What am saying in essence is that football may be hereditary. I believe you may or may not gree to the fact that some football clubs have passed down the spirit of not able to win league titles in as much as the current players of that team tries. They always end up bottling the league at the end.

In what context are you coming from with this your facts? From Laliga, English Premier League or Seria A or Ligue1? As I understand of football, teams that are usually in relegation don't come back the next season, they get demoted instantly after the season and any of the team that made the top 3 come back for another chance and this happened repeatedly and for the other teams that haven't top the rank most are low budget clubs that sometimes don't have much money. The top teams are mostly rotated, only few leagues remain the same especially Laliga.

As for Champions League, I think Real Madrid has been the highest winners in numbers but are they consistent about it? No, the last time they win it was last 2 years and even this season, they have been the best in the group stage but who knows what will happen after the stage, no one can tell for sure and the same goes for every league. I don't think your fact is right in this context but perhaps when we had Messi and Ronaldo, your context might be right.

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