Pay discrimination

[btc78]

while i do believe that blue collar jobs deserve better salaries and better treatment in general we also have to consider the fact that you have to earn a degree to be equipped to have white collar jobs education is expensive and they all at least put some money into their education not only financially challenging but also of course mentally as well hence why they have higher salaries because not everyone can do what they do even with proper education

[bluebit25]

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

I have also worked in executive and employee positions, or even low-income labor jobs, so I can understand somewhat about fairness in life. Through money, it is possible to measure the value of that work, but it does not always reflect the true value, because there will still be many cases of narrow-mindedness with personal benefits just for profit. But I understand that fairness in life will always lead us to the results to which we have responded.

If someone makes an effort to learn everything in life and apply that knowledge to their jobs, I have no doubt that they will not be satisfied with what they receive. So the levels of knowing > understanding > applying > creativity reflect the true value of our abilities in life.

[Jegileman]

If blue collar jobs pay can be increased as they do for the white collar jobs, it will be nice. This discrimination we are talking about can also be viewed from another perspective. If there was no one with deep knowledge who had gone to school to teach the craftsmen about their work, there will be no work for them to do.

In the same way, if there’s no new innovations to make the craftsmen manage their work well, there will be no options to what they can do with the little knowledge they’ve mastered over the years. There is a reason why the system is designed this way, it can’t be changed but can be adjusted to favor the blue collar workers too.

[icalical]

Salary or job payment is not only determined by the effort or stress you put into the work, but it's also affected the percentage of supply and demand of the workers who are able to do the job. Less people can do the high-skilled work on white-collar job compared to the people who has the skill to do blue collar job. Thus the market make the adjustment on the price of those work, high-skilled people has the leverage to demand for higher salary because not many people can do their job, employer doesn't have much of a choice. On the opposite, when blue-collar worker who do low-skilled job demands for higher salary, employer can just replace him with other people who are willing to do the job with less salary, that is how free market capitalism work.

[angrybirdy]

If blue collar jobs pay can be increased as they do for the white collar jobs, it will be nice. This discrimination we are talking about can also be viewed from another perspective. If there was no one with deep knowledge who had gone to school to teach the craftsmen about their work, there will be no work for them to do.

In the same way, if there’s no new innovations to make the craftsmen manage their work well, there will be no options to what they can do with the little knowledge they’ve mastered over the years. There is a reason why the system is designed this way, it can’t be changed but can be adjusted to favor the blue collar workers too.

And blue collar jobs deserve the salary increase that they demand because of their capabilities to do in a work, they do physical work activities which requires additional pay. Nobody is looking down on blue collar jobs but sometimes, people treated you based on your job or educational background which is definitely discrimination. Correct me if I'm wrong but there are some countries who gives well compensation to their blue collar job workers because they believe that the salary should be balance based on the weight of the work.

[Y3shot]

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

If you come to look at it, jobs like like this are the most hard working job which is really draining and stressful,  people like this really needs  better income to appreciate them because they are going through a lot with the kind of job they are going through.  But I feel their is nothing that can be done about it because  before now it has been concluded jobs like this are meant for those who do not have  more qualifications, they can easily get jobs like this.

[Marvelman]

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

Good question.  Skilled laborers definitely don't get paid what they deserve even though our society would fall apart without them.  White collar jobs might need more schooling or be more mentally tiring, but that doesn't mean manual work isn't just as important and   

i think there should be a change so skilled laborers get better pay.  Their work matters as much as office jobs, so they ought to earn enough to live comfortably.   

But its tricky - wages can't just shoot up overnight.  We need programs to teach laborers new abilities too so they can succeed with all the tech nowadays.  Education matters alongside better pay.

[hyudien]

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.~~~~

Labor classification in the eyes of society is  actually not that important but paradigms passed down from generation  to generation create differences in social status. the world of work is now  increasingly fierce competition  between people who feel comfortable with their status in the company will become a threat in the future. but you need to know that respect etc., comes from the individual and not everyone looks down on other people's work. Perhaps the  environment you are witnessing  lacks understanding of respect, resulting in overlapping views of demeaning others.  believe it or not in other corners of the world  there are still people who appreciate every job regardless of status.

[TheUltraElite]

Pay difference will exist, there is no doubt in this. People who have worked their youth off for learning a skill based job and are not selling their skills will ask for money and you have to pay them or you dont get it.

On the other hand physical labour based jobs can be done by anyone and will always pay less. Its a brain vs brawn game here and the brain always gets paid more.

We are now in gold rush stage for AI, its a long way from here. AI will be run by humans with a brain and robots will only take over physical jobs. So again that leads to the brain winning over the brawn and the pay discrimination remains.

[Pablo-wood]

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

I feel one of the key reason for the variation in pay between white collar jobs and skilled jobs is that while most white collar workers hide under the umbrella of other skilled workers to get a job done or most times the pay this skilled workers to perform most of the job they were employed for. Skilled workers prove the deserve every dime the receive as payment for the work the do. So skilled workers deserve to get higher pay in my opinion

[kryptqnick]

How much people are paid depends on a qualification, field, and country. In my country, people who perform manual labour often have higher salaries than those who do intellectual work (but the ceiling for intellectual work is significantly higher than for manual work, I suppose). I don't find the 'collar' classification useful because I think it's not all as clear-cut, but I'll provide examples. A salary of a cashier in my country is around $380 per month, but an average school teacher gets 270 USD per month, unless this person has extensive experience and qualifications, in which case the salary would be around the same as a cashier gets. A loader receives around $400 per month, but a nurse receives a bit less than that on average.
I agree that disrespectful treatment to those doing manual labour is unacceptable, and that people doing hard physical work should receive good wages for what they do. But it's not all that clear-cut in my country either because people engaged in highly skilful intellectual work are often underappreciated here.

[Hispo]

I have personally thought about this topic in the past. And to be honest, I am not sure on where I exactly stand.
I believe that indeed people who do manual labor should be appreciated and respected by their bosses and provide a good salary for them to develop their life as human beings, in a decent way.
On the other hand, those how go to college and learn a second language are more paid for the same bosses of those manual workers, and there comes the collision of ideas.

If the government and the private sector started to pay the same to all of the type of employees or increased the salary of those who do manual labor, then those who are white collar and educated workers would be discouraged to work, even students may feel discouraged to go to college and instead get right into do manual works, because they would get enough money, in their opinion.

Even though, I think Ai and the use of robots to replace much of the labor force is an idea which is gaining force with each year that passes, societies on the planet should get and enforce a set of rules so millions of people won't get unemployed at the same time and rates of crime start to rise out of control in developed countries.

I vouch your thoughts as everyone should be appreciated for the work and shouldn't looked downwards because of their profession. I work for an Ecommerce giant wherein forget about blue collar workers but there is a differentiation between FTE (Full time employee) aka employees' on company's payroll and the contracted third part employees (HRO) as they are deprived of so many facilities and benefits which we enjoy though we do similar tasks.  

I know this is a vast topic where people will have different opinion as I have already seen in the replies to my topic but there should be a fair practice.

I have also had experience with a job where there was a very marked difference between people who legally belonged to the company (those who signed a contract) and others who did not and were being paid according to the hours of work they did in a single day. As you mentioned, those who did not have a contract with the company never have the same rights and benefits in the eyes of the bosses and in the eyes of the law. Honestly, I don't now whether this is supposed to be the responsibility of the government or those companies in an individual manner. I could even argue that the mistreatment some workers receive by big corporations is the consequence of corrupt administrations which do not enforce the labor laws to certain big companies, because there family members of politicians in important positions there or even because the same politicians who are supposed to enforce laws, have an important stake of stocks of those enterprises.
All of it for the selfish sake of increasing profit as much as possible in detriment of the working conditions of human beings.

I remember seeing some documentary films about it, taking place in countries like Bangladesh.

[bhadz]

This is the reason why people need to look for better jobs when the pay that's given to them seems to be pretty low. Maybe it's the company that doesn't value their employees so, the pay isn't worth it for someone who looks for a long term job where he can stay loyal with. While there are countries that do really pay for minimum wage and even can pay below that range like in my country, it's all about the company's average revenue. Small companies can't afford to pay that much but still, they're providing jobs and opportunity. I do understand why some of them can't get into the minimum wage because here in my country, there's a countryside rate and city rate and I think it's the government that should amend the laws about labor, cost and salary rates.

[Die_empty]

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

White-collar jobs also require higher qualifications such as a university degree, while blue-collar jobs might just require short-term training. Maybe this might be why white-collar jobs pay higher rewards. But there are also some exceptions because some blue-collar jobs such as machine operators require specialised skills which might make them earn higher than white-collar employees.

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

I think both white-collar jobs and blue-collar workers are both important. But you don't have to expect top management workers to earn the same pay as middle or low-class workers. These top management staff are the ones who make strategy decisions that determine the survival or death of the organization. They bear more responsibility and risk of the firm so they are expected to also enjoy more privileges. Every worker deserves to be paid a minimum wage that should be enough to take care of his basic needs and no worker no matter the level deserves to be disrespected or maltreated. But I don't think blue-collar workers will ever earn the same or more pay than white-collar employees because the latter have more standard qualifications and they bear more risk in the organization.

[topbitcoin]

Be it someone who is a hard worker or a smart worker. They are extraordinary people, because they all have the effort to make themselves work and not bother others. Compared to someone who feels he is smart and has the ability, but is still unemployed until now, because he continues to sort and choose the work he will do.

Going back to the original discussion, there is no guarantee that those who work with their "brains" will be paid more than someone who works with their muscles. What is certain is that when you want to have a high wage, you must be able to really master the field you are working on. And this can be achieved when you are able to combine your knowledge and skills, so that you can not only work hard, but also work smart.

Even a soccer athlete, like CR7 and a few others, when they play on the field, they get paid handsomely. Even their income tends to be higher than a CEO who works in a big company. And soccer athletes can have very high salaries. because they managed to master the field they are in. Likewise with us, if we want to be appreciated, then we must be able to master the things we are involved in, and be able to do what others cannot do.

[mindrust]

There is no discrimination. It is just supply and demand, basic economics. It is also not the same in every country. In some countries white collar and blue collar workers nearly work for the same salary. Maybe it is different in the US… Not every white collar job gets the same salary anyway. A brain surgeon and a customer support dude are both white collars but we know that a brain surgeon will make way more money. If you tax the shit out of everybody like they do in Europe, then there won’t be any difference between blue and white collar jobs.

There is also another solution; quit your blue collar job, become a white collar worker. Problem solved.

[macson]

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

With the increasing development of robots and AI, many people are currently really worried about the challenges that will occur in the future, especially jobs such as customer service, drivers, heavy equipment operators and so on which are predicted to disappear in the future, however to eliminate the role of humans in the types of work as above will not be easy, a human touch is really needed especially to operate it.
Anyway, we don't need to go too far into discussing jobs that will disappear in the future, let's discuss further about discrimination in salaries for unskilled workers, here too it is still a common problem, the only ones who get paid well are those who are in the high positions, while unskilled workers always receive bad treatment and small salaries, which makes them continue to feel useless in this life, and practices like this have been going on for years without any government intervention in arresting workers as equals, even today, the government does not have a meaningful solution for unskilled workers and laborers.

[Ryu_Ar1]

We live where social mobility and social strata are upheld, so in this case there are several things that can indeed be used as a reference why there are differences in treatment like that.
I would not consider it bad because in the end, regardless of whether it is fair or not, we must also realize that sometimes this is also needed as a form of a person perspective and values.
Not that i like arbitrary treatment, especially for those workers who are sometimes forced to do work that is not in accordance with their salary, but on the other hand we now live where when we cannot survive then we will be colonized so that when we want something worthy of ourselves then we must adapt ourselves to what is happening now, for example for work problems we must also be able to compete so that we are still seen and paid according to the abilities we have.

[Mr.right85]

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

That might just be the case as, there isn’t a scale to measure and correlate mental effort/stress with those of the physical. Surely, both part to a business is needed to ensure growth but their have got to be some differences and reasons as to why which involves, having to spend the time and resources in going through some recognized institution of learning on acquiring skill on a course. It’s never easy.

That doesn’t mean those in the field and doing remote jobs of their own skill aren’t making some good money for themselves. If your that good, after being attached to a firm for such a good number of years, you could as well save up and start your own firm, let your past jobs market you and you will see the returns for having a skill even without classroom education.

[Bananington]

There shouldn't be any discrimination whatsoever because both have their requirements to set one aside and better rich in the future than in the present if the rules and conditions of learning and implementation is to be considered.

Whether blue or white collar, the existence of both creates a balance in the workforce because no one person of whom I have seen taking paycheck from this blue collar will have the brains most times to sit and learn how to apply the use of computers because that's simply the life they have chosen and settled in to for.