Pay discrimination

[SatoPrincess]

This varies country by country. In some countries, certain blue collar jobs like carpentry, plumbers, technicians make more money than most entry level white collar jobs. How we treat people who work for us is a societal problem not an economical one. People with formal education tend to feel superior over those with lower or no degrees. In my country, parents encourage their children to learn a skill to add to their university degrees. It’s often a good thing to have a skill you can put to good use if you can’t get a decent white collar job.

[shinratensei_]

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

blue collar are just as mentally drained but just in different perspective you can imagine going out to do work and get condescending remark from some random even from the one that used the service, its mentally exhausting deaing with some random people. not to mention the fact that they are paid less for doing hard work, many underestimate the job of blue collar but nobody want to do it because they know how hard this can be sometime and also the salary is small.

even more so with the fact that some people out there just got that simple minded thinking, that are detached from reality where the fact that they are living leisurely, is thanks to these blue collar worker that did the dirty job for them, they should be respectful with these people because without them they surely are the one that gonna be doing the dirty job moreover, the fact that they mostly got underpaid should be a problem aside from the disrespect that they got but nah some people think its their privilege to disrespect those worker, but I do agree that its more of societal problem.

I think these blue collar worker deserve a raise tbh.

[m2017]

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

This difference will always exist as long as humanity lives. It's not about who puts in more physical effort, but who puts in more mental effort. Knowing this will allow you to understand how it all works.

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

No matter what correction you make, the market itself will regulate everything according to its own laws. The less you try to influence it, the more balanced everything works.

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

White-collar workers receive higher salaries not because they are more exhausted, but because mental work is valued more than physical work. Anyone can swing a shovel, but not everyone can sort out pieces of paper.

There will always be many people willing to do unskilled menial work. You always want to eat, but few have the desire to learn. So don't worry. This world will rot for a very long time.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

The value of these employees is very low, because there is always a queue of similar people waiting to replace them. Don't want to be one of them? Then gain value as a specialist. The presence of rare and in-demand professions will contribute to this.

[rat03gopoh]

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

I'm not sure if you see some skilled labor in other countries, I don't think it's necessary. They are paid quite decently.
In my country, the government has intervened in how rich people or companies have to pay employees roughly according to the standard cost of living. It's not discrimination, most employees aren't professionals. I mean, if you're a professional, you can set your own rates.
After all, the white collar job market is full of competition, you're not alone in fighting for a position. So they deserve to be paid exclusively, sometimes they feel oppressed

[EluguHcman]

Since the world economy has been of challenges, there has also been economical and commercial challenges amongst the masses that due to the fact of striving to meet up with the living demands, the labour markets and other industrious sectors acts so sentimental  segregating between the white collar and the skillled labour jobs whereas both a man-power and intellectual possessions are all relevant but due to over-hyping, the white collar job is more regarded to the skill or manpowers job but fails to understand that even at its different measures, yet they both posseses intellectual possessions  Maybe the white collar job has more  intellectual professionalism intellectual to offer than the skill based job but yeah of course the skill-based has more muscular applications.
Each differences has posseses a unique offer that should be regarded in a payment ratio.

[kentrolla]

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

blue collar are just as mentally drained but just in different perspective you can imagine going out to do work and get condescending remark from some random even from the one that used the service, its mentally exhausting deaing with some random people. not to mention the fact that they are paid less for doing hard work, many underestimate the job of blue collar but nobody want to do it because they know how hard this can be sometime and also the salary is small.

even more so with the fact that some people out there just got that simple minded thinking, that are detached from reality where the fact that they are living leisurely, is thanks to these blue collar worker that did the dirty job for them, they should be respectful with these people because without them they surely are the one that gonna be doing the dirty job moreover, the fact that they mostly got underpaid should be a problem aside from the disrespect that they got but nah some people think its their privilege to disrespect those worker, but I do agree that its more of societal problem.

I think these blue collar worker deserve a raise tbh.

Aligned, but guess what's more alarming? People are saying that people get paid based on the business and revenue they bring and thus justify white collar jobs getting paid more than blue collar and at the same time they are worried as well that if the blue collar will get paid in par with white collar then the white collar will get demotivated and some are saying if they get paid in par with white collar and if they decide doing blue collar jobs then what will happen who will do their jobs.

This just shows our sick mentality we are saying they don't deserve pay scale which white collar gets and at the same time we are worried who will do their job if they earn more and quit. This is the real problem we have already classified then as downtrodden which is the harsh reality.

People need to change their mindset and everyone deserve pay as per their efforts and hardwork.

[DrBeer]

The problem is that business pays for results and efficiency. And business is absolutely not interested in how tired you are, how much you sweat, it is interested in what the financial result of your work is. "White collar workers" are those who create tomorrow and solve issues of the future. Blue collar workers are those who implement today's tasks.
Moreover, blue collar workers also have a strong gradation, and often their salaries are very high. But this also requires knowledge, experience, and ingenuity.
From personal experience: the same electrician. When I bought a new apartment, I was preparing a renovation project. And one of the issues is the installation of the electrical network. Even for such “projects”, I always hold something like a tender. And this time too. There were 3 proposals, with calculations and estimates. The choice fell on the most expensive of the 3. Doesn't sound logical? But you don't know the details yet
It was this team that proposed the deadlines I needed, and also showed an absolutely correct understanding of what needs to be done, taking into account all types of equipment that will be installed, possible practical risks and their solutions, the highest quality materials, taking into account the real power needs, as well as the optimal laying cable products throughout the apartment, taking into account all constructive and design nuances. One of the losers said - “bye, I did this for you so that it would be as cheap as possible, if you had said that you needed the highest QUALITY, I would have considered that too”
The last sentence is about experience and understanding of what the customer needs
So, the 2 people who did the project earned, if converted into a monthly equivalent, no less than a good programmer! And these are ordinary electricians. But with experience, knowledge and an excellent understanding of the customer’s needs.

And about philosophy - believe me, at least 70% of people want to earn more, but... don’t want to do anything for it. They just want to be paid more... Therefore, for many, the transition from blue collar to white collar is simply not feasible. How impossible it is to increase income at your level. And it is precisely because of laziness and fear of difficulties that some people choose the “quiet” but rather low-paid civil service, and at the same time complain all their lives about the low salary.

Total: what is described by the author of the topic is NORMAL!

[Uruhara]

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

Working with the results of thought (intelligence and insight) will indeed be more appreciated and paid more. Because to be able to have broad insight and high intelligence requires a lot of sacrifice of energy, money and time. For example engineers and professors. It is not easy for them to get a lot of insight and many degrees from universities and so on. So it is not surprising that if they work they will get higher pay than work that requires using muscles. Because to be able to build a skyscraper requires special skills from engineers in the field of building architecture and concrete stone construction or similar. And I am sure that people who do not learn about these scientific disciplines will not be able to make architecture like architecture makes. So that their manual workers only work according to the drawings that are in their hands.

But I personally also think that the salary gap is too big. Although I agree that people who work with intelligence should be more appreciated. But I also hope that those who work with muscles and have to fight dangers that threaten their lives (construction workers) must also be respected. Currently, many construction workers do not even have insurance coverage from their construction company. This is different from office workers who have more guarantees from their companies such as various insurances such as health insurance and so on. So even though the salary may not be the same. But I think all types of workers should still have the same thing in terms of benefits and guarantees such as health insurance and so on. Because without hard workers, even hard thinkers will still be useless. Because everyone needs each other.

[mirakal]

Sad reality but majority of the countries are adopting that kind of outlook or mentality. Most likely, since these skilled workers are undergraduate and are not degree holders so they only get minimum wage payout while those having high positions in a company will receive higher payouts most likely because of their higher educational achievement. The higher their educational attainment is, the bigger demand they get from their companies.

To be honest, if only all the countries government are discouraged from having pay discrimination, then there will be no hungry and homeless families around. People will work hard because the harder they do their jobs, the bigger pay they will get.

[Betwrong]

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

Absolutely. Skilled labors must be paid more than unskilled ones and in many cases more than "white collars", but isn't that's what's happening in the world?  Who's paying white collars more because they are "mentally drained out"? You are paid according to what profit your work brings to the company, not for how tired you are.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

People in what kind of shithole treat them disrespectfully? Just move, man. In most of the world, no one treats workers disrespectfully.

[terrific]

People with formal education tend to feel superior over those with lower or no degrees. In my country, parents encourage their children to learn a skill to add to their university degrees. It’s often a good thing to have a skill you can put to good use if you can’t get a decent white collar job.

That is true, they think that they're superior than those that didn't finish their studies. But look at the skill of those people that don't have degree.
They're the ones that we mostly need with all of our stuff and they're just one call away to help us.
Today, it's not just enough that you finish studies but also to have more skills in life including survival skills.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Try to answer the question: the one you call a “white collar” has an education—a higher education. Can he do the work of a laborer? Waiter, taxi driver, builder? Yes, sure. You can learn this in a couple of days.
The question is, can someone who works as a waiter create a project, perform an operation, or teach a child higher mathematics?
Do you feel the difference? Hence, ask yourself why people with higher education get paid more. I think the answer is obvious.

[Yatsan]

Well it is not because of manpower alone. Knowledge with higher positions do usually cost more than with studying skill based jobs. Will this ever change? Depends on the demand. There are countries wherein Blue collar jobs are being paid higher than with what's usual. It also depends on the economy of a country on which would be more appreciated and be more in demand. With corporate jobs, they generate more money which enables them to be paid higher as well, does makes sense. Life simply works in such way and life was never fair. You need to stand out in order to be appreciated in any industry. If you have the same set of skills as with the majority then how come you'd be paid with huge amount.

[Kelward]

I think that the education system is responsible for these discrimination, because more value are given to the so called educated people in the society. These is why a university certificate guarantees a better wage than work experience, where someone who is thought theory in the school will be boss to someone who has practical experience in the work field. Meanwhile if the two people were to switch places, the person who has practical experience might function in management level, but the one who is thought mainly the theoretical aspect can not function uptimaly in the practical aspect of what he learned inside the four walls of a classroom.

Although times are changing and the need for manual labor is diminishing, with the advent of modern machineries, robots and A1 technologies to take over manual tasks and jobs. There's a need for people to be more proactive and innovative in building themselves up to standards that will elevate them to be relevant in this modern age.

[Mpamaegbu]

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

Well, I don't like the idea of people being discriminated against, whether of their skin colour or of their work structure. I believe everyone should be treated with dignity and respect. However, I don't believe those who do menial jobs should be paid as much as their counterparts who are skilled. No, definitely. It costs money to acquire skills and knowledge and those who pay to acquire such aren't fools. They know what they stand to gain in future and that's why they're acquiring them. Ideas run this world, not strength. In the past we were given to believe that hard work paid but we know now that it isn't true. Smart work pays.

[jrrsparkles]

If you say there is pay discrimination then its not the fact, a contractor earn more than someone who goes to an office job and their pay depends on their actual skills not just hard work because if it can be done by anyone but it only need more physical effort then work force will be imported from third world country to do the same jobs for portions of current pay.

[harapan]

How we treat people who work for us is a societal problem not an economical one. People with formal education tend to feel superior over those with lower or no degrees.

I agree. Society has made it okay to treat before who are economically below us in any way we want and it should not be so. It's one thing for a person to earn very little and another thing to remind the person about it every time. It's the world we live in. Some people do that to feel better about themselves.
I don't believe it's the degree that makes them feel superior. I feel it's who they are. If they were in a better socioeconomic position without a college degree they'll still see themselves as superior. This has become a normal thing in the world so talking about it makes it look like you're exaggerating things but that's just how it is.

[coolcoinz]

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor

That's only if you generalize. I can tell you how I see it.

Skilled tradesmen who work for other people, like mechanics, plumbers, earn low wages, but the same people working for themselves can easily 2x or even 3x.
I know an electrician who works for a company part time and also gets side jobs. A side job for a private contractor pays twice his hourly wage at a company, but he's afraid to quit the company because it's easy money. He doesn't have to advertise, he knows he'll get paid and a contractor can cheat him. Sometimes you have to take these people to court and it takes time and money... That's why many tradesmen choose job security with low wage over high wage but more stress. Still, they have a choice and could make much more money.

A teacher at school here earns 1/3 of what a private tutor does. Any teacher can be a private tutor, there's a lot of job offers, but you have to drive to clients, face complaints and they're watching you, so you can't slack or be late. You call in sick, you don't get paid, but a school will pay you even when you're on leave.

[Russlenat]

The government who allows this pay discrimination might not actually know what it felt on part of the blue collars unless if they were in the shoes of these skilled workers and perform their jobs. That's the only time they'll get realized and make up their senses that these kind of people should gain more respect and appreciation, and should be given higher wages instead because their tasks are not easy and demands more of their force and energy.

However, I'm not saying to disregard these white collars but I just hope there will be just and fair wages for everyone. That's the only way in order for these blue collars to develop more motivation to work and perform their jobs wholeheartedly.

[_BlackStar]

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

This world is sometimes cruel to the weak and uneducated – but they should not be compared. The correlation between the two is mutual need – so I think the root of the problem is a lack of gratitude.

I find that many educated people who work in government agencies are valued for the suits they wear and their knowledge – while construction workers are valued for their skills. If both do not receive fair respect in society, then a person really does not know how to respect himself.