Pay discrimination

[Captain Corporate]

I have absolutely no idea where you live, but I think you and I not live anywhere even remotely the same. Blue collar jobs here do get paid a lot, as long as its skilled labor, its the unskilled labor for blue collar jobs that get paid less, and that is because its unskilled, meaning you can fire any person and hire any other person and there won't be a drop in productivity more than maybe 3 days. Whereas, a plumber, an electrician, a wood worker or anything like that, which requires years to master, is still a blue collar job and gets paid way more than a white collar worker unless that white collar worker is a CEO or something. That is why if you want to go blue, always go with skilled.

[boyptc]

Don't worry, there will also be a market correction for them. Look at the jobs in the companies like McDonalds, people don't even want to apply for them anymore.

The pay is too low and they're like asking people to come and apply for them. When most people stopped living the life that they're dreaming of and they set to just live like having a normal life, there's no need to rush and start the dream life that they want.

Life is too stressful today so as these companies that have a lot of pay cut to simple jobs. But anyway, if we can't bear this disadvantage, what we need to do is to upskill.

You make it sound as if the blue-collar worker’s not gonna get hit badly if such “correction” ever comes., you have to keep in mind that the ones at the top of the market are able to just pull the strings and save their asses as the boat sinks. So yeah, before you wish for comeuppance. Make sure that the ones you fight for don’t get hurt in the process.

I'm not saying that, what I am saying is about upskilling. Like having various skills where we can use to survive if ever the other skill and job we're having is hit by correction.

It's more of a preparation because we did saw how the pandemic changed everything and shown everyone what's possible.

Ever wondered why so many companies nowadays are pushing for AI workers, example being those automated servers/waiters in fastfood restos, as well as other automated task processors? This is so they can brace themselves for when blue-collar workers finally mutiny and defect from the current system to fight for their rights. Of course the automation narrative is there, but let’s not kid ourselves.

Yeah, I know that.

But with this innovation, I believe that there's also going to be a production of newer jobs. Though we can't skip that it's a sad thing to see.

[fullhdpixel]

blue collar are just as mentally drained but just in different perspective you can imagine going out to do work and get condescending remark from some random even from the one that used the service, its mentally exhausting deaing with some random people. not to mention the fact that they are paid less for doing hard work, many underestimate the job of blue collar but nobody want to do it because they know how hard this can be sometime and also the salary is small.

even more so with the fact that some people out there just got that simple minded thinking, that are detached from reality where the fact that they are living leisurely, is thanks to these blue collar worker that did the dirty job for them, they should be respectful with these people because without them they surely are the one that gonna be doing the dirty job moreover, the fact that they mostly got underpaid should be a problem aside from the disrespect that they got but nah some people think its their privilege to disrespect those worker, but I do agree that its more of societal problem.

I think these blue collar worker deserve a raise tbh.

I think it depends on the type of job, as there might be white-collar jobs who doesn't require too much thinking and there are also blue-collar jobs who doesn't require too much physical effort. It's only sad that there are companies or employer who are underpaying their workers even if they know that the scope of the job is not easy. Not all workers has the guts to switch jobs when this circumstances occurs, so they just accept it and keep on working till their contract ends.

Those you said who underestimates the blue-collar jobs or it's workers are funny, or insane. We can only ignore these types of people. A person who can think properly, will never do that and they can even lend a help, either physically or financially.

[Patrol69]

It is normal that a worker's salary and allowances will be different from other workers according to the job. If two people do the same job one has 10 years of experience in that job and the other is new then if we are asked to choose one of the two then we will blindly choose the person with 10 years of experience. Or if two people are given an opportunity to choose and if the salary and allowances of the two are differentiated then surely the one with 10 years of experience will get higher salary. Multiple workers work on a project, although the term worker sounds the same, some workers are distinguished based on experience and skills. While some workers are paid on the normal scale, some workers are given higher pay and benefits for their skill and experience in the job.

[Accardo]

The person with the most control of workers gets the most pay, in the sweatshop job scheme. For instance, in the construction business, the contractor gets higher pay than the workers who install rods, concretes and lay bricks. The same contractor earns more than most people in white-collar jobs, but because he's the only one doing the job of a contractor his pay is meant to be very big. While those doing the menial labor are quite many their pay will be reduced so that each worker can be paid according to his level in the contraction business. When the building was done and dusted and the owner decided to set up a hotel, he hired people to work in the hotel, and the pay would be according to the levels of employees. The manager would be paid more than the cleaners, receptionists, waiters, etc. Moving forward, if the team of employees does a great job and generates more money for the hotel, their pay rate will be increased.

And on the long run, the hotel employees get more pay than those who built the hotel, the contractors, and his team. Why? the owner of the building has a limited budget and if not managed the whole building may not get completed. After the work has been done and the builders are gone, the hotels or building begins to generate money. The pay of these employees now depends on the rate of money the hotel generates. If it generates a lesser amount, the hotel would pay less, and vice versa. One would wonder why a manager who doesn't do much work has a higher pay rate, but they fail to understand that the most tedious work is mental and emotional work. The work that deals with strength moving to and fro to serve people sounds to many as hard work, but from experience managing people is more strenuous. Complaints from customers, employees, boards, CEO, go to the manager, and if he doesn't implement critical thinking the hotel can fail. So, I'd conclude that people get paid according to how effective the service they render is in generating money for the business or company.

[Litzki1990]

No matter how many big officers or big engineers there are in an organization, work has to be done through workers. The big officials will only give directions and maybe do some experiments to make an establishment but from the beginning to the end the work is done by the hands of the workers while the wages of the workers are very low. In various construction works, some types of caps are given to the workers and based on that cap, it is determined who will work more and who will get more salary. There are some people who overcharge the workers just to see if the workers have done the job properly. Every country needs professional people. If everyone is a doctor engineer but your house will not be built so workers must be respected and paid what they deserve.

[Winterfrost]

The reverse is the case in some countries. Skilled workers are more important and have higher pay than the blue collar workers. Literally it all depends on how you place your standard if your skilled person. There is this freedom in which you have to give yourself any value you want not minding what kind of skill you have.

Some persons are into furniture making yet they live a luxurous life because they run the business in such a way that they go for the best cleint. This is because they know their worth and the quality of services they can render. Honestly i prefer the white collar jobs more than the blue collar jobs. This is because i have full control of my business, i choose the amount i want as payment and i decide when i want to work. Which gives me more time to upskill and also attend to family.

[bounceback]

Its normal about payment salary in job, some one have skill and experienced will earn much payment salary than beginner with less experienced and first time working on some company. I think not relate when comparison with some worker have skill but many of them keep working in front of computer have higher salary payment than worker on the field with hard working but keep less payment salary. Simple way in job system, you want to earn much payment salary you need push up your skill and automatically become more needed by many companies and get priority with bigger salary payment.

In fact, our job is not relate with how much our responsibility such as delivery workers with potential risk on the road but they payment under some one else working in the front of computer have low risk.

[Manny@11111]

Let's differentiate to put all their in perspectives

White collar are highly skilled people that doesn't perform manual jobs as they are the management that gives directions that is cascaded down to those who are to do them. They are well read and cultured

Blue collar are people that are not that educated that works in factories & do manual job

Based on the above, Jobs are in categories and these categories are renumerated based on their importance to organization. Need to mention also that both white collar & blue collar have hierarchy with the system.

Since blue collar are manual labour they are poorly paid because is believed that no thinking is needed in getting their jobs done but that the thinking is been done by white collar guys that get paid well which is correct

Mining for example, white collar guys do the  planning, from how many manual guys is needed per day/per job, logistics needed, safety  protocols in sites, number of hours to work per shift etc while blue collar/manual guys is to go to section apportioned to them, say drilling, which he will perform for the rest of the day.

White collar gets the big pay because they do the thinking while blue collar operationalize white collar objectives.

[Lanatsa]

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

For sure there would be those people would be saying that the thing that deserves for them to be paid like that is on educational attainment but considering the default or normal qualifications within those jobs on which
it is really that still requiring on having a degree.Therefore, it isnt really just that precise or right that they would really be making it as a main qualifications considering that people would be mostly having that educational attainment. In some countries or places in the world on which those jobs that are having that much more stressing and force-related or something involves a dirty type of job does really pays well
but here in our country then it would really be that totally opposite on which to those who are sitting into those comfy office chairs are being paid more. Well, this is what the world we are living
for on which inequality is always be the real thing.

If you wont really make yourself do work hard your ass off then you wont really be able to survive this cruel world. The only option you could do is to make yourself having a business
or would be able to make huge money via investment so that you wont really be needing to work for your boss.  

[slapper]

This is economic insanity, not simply injustice. In addition to effort, physical labor requires expertise, endurance, and risk. Our daily lives depend on their work, but we undervalue it? It's absurd!

On to market correction. Definitely overdue! We can't merely talk about market forces without considering people. Recognizing worth goes beyond wage rates. Never mind the mental strain justification for white-collar occupations. Blue-collar workers are also anxious, but in different ways. We need a labor value paradigm shift. We need to end this absurd employment hierarchy and pay people what they deserve.

[benalexis12]

I have personally thought about this topic in the past. And to be honest, I am not sure on where I exactly stand.
I believe that indeed people who do manual labor should be appreciated and respected by their bosses and provide a good salary for them to develop their life as human beings, in a decent way.
On the other hand, those how go to college and learn a second language are more paid for the same bosses of those manual workers, and there comes the collision of ideas.

If the government and the private sector started to pay the same to all of the type of employees or increased the salary of those who do manual labor, then those who are white collar and educated workers would be discouraged to work, even students may feel discouraged to go to college and instead get right into do manual works, because they would get enough money, in their opinion.

Even though, I think Ai and the use of robots to replace much of the labor force is an idea which is gaining force with each year that passes, societies on the planet should get and enforce a set of rules so millions of people won't get unemployed at the same time and rates of crime start to rise out of control in developed countries.

Most people want to have a good job, an adequate salary, or pay an employee properly. The problem is that there are other employers who do not follow the correct procedure for paying wages to their employees.

There are also other employers who look down on employees. Which is not correct, but there are also other employers who know how to appreciate their employees. If that's discrimination, I think in every country there is something like that that really happens.

[Accardo]

Its normal about payment salary in job, some one have skill and experienced will earn much payment salary than beginner with less experienced and first time working on some company. I think not relate when comparison with some worker have skill but many of them keep working in front of computer have higher salary payment than worker on the field with hard working but keep less payment salary. Simple way in job system, you want to earn much payment salary you need push up your skill and automatically become more needed by many companies and get priority with bigger salary payment.

In fact, our job is not relate with how much our responsibility such as delivery workers with potential risk on the road but they payment under some one else working in the front of computer have low risk.

In my response above, you'll notice there are types of power; physical and brain power. The brain power required to work on the computer each day may be higher than the physical power those in the field would use in working each day. I've been a field worker, working outside the company in delivering products, it's quite energy exhausting and we would think that the cashier in the house calculating money doesn't do anything, yet he earns more than the field workers. later I was able to realize that, the cashier faces more risk each day than the field workers. He'd have to correlate the number of products leaving the warehouse and the amount of money we generated for the day. Work responsibility differs, and whatever duty is termed work, requires energy and power to keep up with it each day. Risk is on both sides of the workers, indoor or outdoor. But skills differ, which changes the payment rate for working in different departments.

Critical thinking consumes lots of energy for workers who require it to execute their daily tasks, but the person who is doing delivery would think he's doing the most job and exhausts more energy everyday yet earning quite a little salary. I thought like this, but later realized after doing some internship programs with a famous company, I understood that some people hold the success of the company, and whenever the company is in trouble those people would have sleepless nights trying to resolve the dispute. While the field workers would end work for the day and sleep at home with their loved ones. If there should be a pay raise, everybody deserves it, including the field and computer workers. They are both needed to build a successful company. It depends on the number of people who can execute the task. Delivery jobs seem to have lots of people who can fit into the field, but the tech aspect of the company can only have a few competent eligible to build the company using that aspect.

[YUriy1991]

Most people want to have a good job, an adequate salary, or pay an employee properly. The problem is that there are other employers who do not follow the correct procedure for paying wages to their employees.

There are also other employers who look down on employees. Which is not correct, but there are also other employers who know how to appreciate their employees. If that's discrimination, I think in every country there is something like that that really happens.

Maybe every company, for example, that sets up its business in one place, especially those that already have a name, say that they have gone international, usually they always match and follow the regulations in the operational area where they work, especially if they employ local workers, not permanent employees of the company. So, the salary for workers will be adjusted to regulations in that area, at least not less than the daily minimum wage that has been set.

[DeathAngel]

Highly skilled tradesmen can earn a lot of money. Bricklayers for example earn a lot in my country because there is a shortage of them. I think if you get a trade & perfect it you can earn just as much as any white collar job.
I know tradesmen who earn six figures ($) so there are no lack of opportunities if you are a skilled manual worker.

[Solosanz]

Highly skilled tradesmen can earn a lot of money. Bricklayers for example earn a lot in my country because there is a shortage of them. I think if you get a trade & perfect it you can earn just as much as any white collar job.
I know tradesmen who earn six figures ($) so there are no lack of opportunities if you are a skilled manual worker.

I believe @OP is live in third world country where the salary sucks, it's actually not the white or blue collar get paid different, but any jobs will be paid less since there are many unemployment who willing to work with lower salary.

In first world country, manual worker or service is expensive, this also because of lack of population.

[Yogee]

I thought I was gonna read some wage gap bs between men and women when I saw the title but I'm glad it's about the different type of professions and skills.

Highly skilled tradesmen can earn a lot of money. Bricklayers for example earn a lot in my country because there is a shortage of them. I think if you get a trade & perfect it you can earn just as much as any white collar job.
I know tradesmen who earn six figures ($) so there are no lack of opportunities if you are a skilled manual worker.

Yup! There is money to be made in this line of jobs since there are only a few who are willing. Even those considered as doing the "dirty jobs" like plumbers and garbage collectors are paid well.

[0t3p0t]

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

Skilled workers has higher wage but unfortunately not domestically. Skilled workers here in my country works abroad to have a much higher rate. This is the sad reality that happens in third world country like mine but these workers also help our economy by sending money in. Our nurses, wielders, midwife, plumbers, cook, domestic helpers, teachers etc. were involve in this and they made better pay rate than working locally.

[bestcoins1]

Skilled workers has higher wage but unfortunately not domestically. Skilled workers here in my country works abroad to have a much higher rate. This is the sad reality that happens in third world country like mine but these workers also help our economy by sending money in. Our nurses, wielders, midwife, plumbers, cook, domestic helpers, teachers etc. were involve in this and they made better pay rate than working locally.

Maybe this is also the case in several other countries, because I also see that there are more workers in my country who are very happy to work in other countries in the profession they currently have. This is of course because the influence of the salary they receive abroad is much greater than the salary available in their own country, so it can trigger more people to go abroad to hunt for a bigger salary with the skills they have. That is a very real thing that I have seen in the last few years up to now.

[angrybirdy]

Skilled workers has higher wage but unfortunately not domestically. Skilled workers here in my country works abroad to have a much higher rate. This is the sad reality that happens in third world country like mine but these workers also help our economy by sending money in. Our nurses, wielders, midwife, plumbers, cook, domestic helpers, teachers etc. were involve in this and they made better pay rate than working locally.

Maybe this is also the case in several other countries, because I also see that there are more workers in my country who are very happy to work in other countries in the profession they currently have. This is of course because the influence of the salary they receive abroad is much greater than the salary available in their own country, so it can trigger more people to go abroad to hunt for a bigger salary with the skills they have. That is a very real thing that I have seen in the last few years up to now.

actually even I would like to work in another country especially here in our country, the salary is too small for my work position. The salary basic offer is too small but they set a high standard for the requirements needed which I think is a little bit unfair. we are all aware that there's an inflation and all expenses are quite high wherein my salary cannot sustain my needs and wants no matter how frugal I do on a daily basis. Sometimes I envy those people who left our country to work abroad because, Yes we are already there where they sacrificed a few years in another country but if you look back, it was so worth it when they were away from their family because somehow all the plans were fulfilled and life became easier.