Pay discrimination

[jaberwock]

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

If you want a high-paying, skilled job, you should be working somewhere. You will be rated based on the service you render and not on your employment qualifications.
 
Skill jobs are good; in fact, they are part of the things that make an industry stand out, as those labourers are the ones handling more of the physical manpower work.
 
But if we also look at it the other way around, for those white collar orkers, those who sit in the office have some real jobs they are doing, which stress their brains, and they need to do some calculations in order for them to bring up something meaningful, which are the commands these people on the field work with.

It is all about supply and demand, and not even at global scale, it is on a local scale. So for example, imagine someone being a high skilled surgeon, normally that is a very high paying job isn't it? And another person who is a plumber, not a high paying job is it?

Well, if you put 100 people in a room, and hire based on their skill, if 10 of them are high skilled surgeon, and only 1 plumber exists, that plumber will make more money. So it is all about supply and demand, it will make you feel a lot better about it. I think it should be focused on what you could bring to the table and how unique it is. In some cases white collar is paid more, and in some cases blue collar is paid more, depending on the supply and demand structure of that place.

[Iroh]

It sounds that admin earns more than a courier, but in real world it is much different. Courier can make more deliveries, knows bets routes, is ready to cycle for whole day, while admin works 9 to 5 5 days a week for a fix salary.

I don’t know what world In which a courier earns more than a administrator in a company or even a middle level manager in an organization but it’s certainly not the world you and I presently live in.
Couriers may work for longer hours or all day delivering packages and may get bonuses depending on the number of successful deliveries made. The combination of wages, bonuses and tips earned wouldn’t sum up to half of what an administrator in an organization would make for working same hours.

Just about anyone who could drive okay could get a job as a courier but not everyone could successfully manage and run smaller units or the whole of an organization.

[Fortify]

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

People doing skilled jobs do deserve fair compensation and in many situations the market does provide this. If someone has skills that require a good education, they will be able to demand higher wages than most unskilled jobs. However you should not necessarily get good pay just because your job is hard or unpleasant. Many cleaners will be on minimum wage, but they have the mobility to find other jobs or retrain. The trouble is that anyone can fill that position with very little training and at the bottom rung of the labor market there is plenty of competition. You should also not stifle progress, take a supermarket worker for example, some have been replaced by self checkout machines, but this could free people up to do other more interesting work.

[batang_bitcoin]

It sounds that admin earns more than a courier, but in real world it is much different. Courier can make more deliveries, knows bets routes, is ready to cycle for whole day, while admin works 9 to 5 5 days a week for a fix salary.

I don’t know what world In which a courier earns more than a administrator in a company or even a middle level manager in an organization but it’s certainly not the world you and I presently live in.
Couriers may work for longer hours or all day delivering packages and may get bonuses depending on the number of successful deliveries made. The combination of wages, bonuses and tips earned wouldn’t sum up to half of what an administrator in an organization would make for working same hours.

Just about anyone who could drive okay could get a job as a courier but not everyone could successfully manage and run smaller units or the whole of an organization.

I think it's because that they earn commissions from the parcels that they delivery as a courier. Or if there are some sort of bonuses or perks relates to their productivity. That's possible but it's the same as working as an admin or staff in a company but it's way easier. While couriers are at the roads at most times, they really love doing their jobs, driving and going elsewhere. And yes, the tips are also a bonus to them if ever the customers are generous.

[arimamib]

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People doing skilled jobs do deserve fair compensation and in many situations the market does provide this. If someone has skills that require a good education, they will be able to demand higher wages than most unskilled jobs. However you should not necessarily get good pay just because your job is hard or unpleasant. Many cleaners will be on minimum wage, but they have the mobility to find other jobs or retrain. The trouble is that anyone can fill that position with very little training and at the bottom rung of the labor market there is plenty of competition. You should also not stifle progress, take a supermarket worker for example, some have been replaced by self checkout machines, but this could free people up to do other more interesting work.

People with skills requiring a good education can demand higher wages aligns with the principle of value recognition in the job market. Difficulty or unpleasantness in a job doesn't necessarily warrant higher pay underscores the importance of market demand and competition. People in less skilled positions having the option to seek other jobs or retrain emphasizes the importance of adaptability and mobility in navigating the job market. It recognizes that the labor market is dynamic, and individuals have the ability to explore different opportunities or acquire new skills.

While automation might replace certain roles, it can also open up opportunities for people to engage in more interesting and fulfilling work. This perspective sees progress and technological advancements as catalysts for evolution in the job market, potentially leading to a more diverse and engaging range of occupations.

[shinratensei_]

It sounds that admin earns more than a courier, but in real world it is much different. Courier can make more deliveries, knows bets routes, is ready to cycle for whole day, while admin works 9 to 5 5 days a week for a fix salary.

I don’t know what world In which a courier earns more than a administrator in a company or even a middle level manager in an organization but it’s certainly not the world you and I presently live in.
Couriers may work for longer hours or all day delivering packages and may get bonuses depending on the number of successful deliveries made. The combination of wages, bonuses and tips earned wouldn’t sum up to half of what an administrator in an organization would make for working same hours.

Just about anyone who could drive okay could get a job as a courier but not everyone could successfully manage and run smaller units or the whole of an organization.

its complicated world we live in, in the marketing section the salary might be low but the bonus is high, it all depends on how important the job to the operation of a company in case of delivery company courier is the reason they could get the job done, of course they will incentivize completed delivery and will try to give a way for the courier to earn more so that they become more diligent in delivering the goods.
thats the complicated thing with having a job we should be smart enough to determine the potential earning and whether we can maximize our earning.
because otherwise we might get tricked and instead got the most stressful job with low wages.
but from business perspective this kind of thing giving incentives to the section that did most of the job basically the lifeline of a company is the most essential thing its the reason a company flourish.

[bakasabo]

It sounds that admin earns more than a courier, but in real world it is much different. Courier can make more deliveries, knows bets routes, is ready to cycle for whole day, while admin works 9 to 5 5 days a week for a fix salary.

I don’t know what world In which a courier earns more than a administrator in a company or even a middle level manager in an organization but it’s certainly not the world you and I presently live in.
Couriers may work for longer hours or all day delivering packages and may get bonuses depending on the number of successful deliveries made. The combination of wages, bonuses and tips earned wouldn’t sum up to half of what an administrator in an organization would make for working same hours.

Just about anyone who could drive okay could get a job as a courier but not everyone could successfully manage and run smaller units or the whole of an organization.

Any country will suit. I will try to compare. Administrator works 5 days a week, 9 to 17 and has a fixed salary. Courier can work 7 days a week from 9 to 21 plus he get tipped. In my company sys admin earns around 1900 EUR, while courier earns around 100 EUR per day minus taxes delivery app fee for same working hours. Lets say it would be 60 EUR netto. Add more 2 working days or hours and courier earns more. Anyway he wont be able to work in such tempo for months.

[AicecreaME]

I also don't understand why they have different kind of treatment.

The other one has a diploma and the other one don't have or maybe a college undergraduate, nevertheless, they both work to build something or to create something, so there should be no discrimination and they both deserve equal treatment when it comes to salary. However, since we live in a cruel world where power always bully those who are weak, that's why skilled laborer or any blue collar job employees gets only few bucks for their hard work.

[bakasabo]

I also don't understand why they have different kind of treatment.

The other one has a diploma and the other one don't have or maybe a college undergraduate, nevertheless, they both work to build something or to create something, so there should be no discrimination and they both deserve equal treatment when it comes to salary. However, since we live in a cruel world where power always bully those who are weak, that's why skilled laborer or any blue collar job employees gets only few bucks for their hard work.

Proper word will be not equal, but adequate their responsibility salary. Otherwise it will be a world collapse if professional worker or someone with diploma will earn the same as someone whos work require no special skills. It will dishonest, and people will go to work where work is easier. No one will study years to become a doctor, but instead will go to work as an administrator in nail salon.

Everyone deserve work and salary. But the amount of salary must be determined by amount work done or amount responsibility taken.

[dezoel]

In my country teachers are also receive less than I think they should earn. I suppose in your country teachers also go on strike due low salaries. However you know that there is always "but". Dont know about your country, but in my teachers from small towns, or better say not from capital or top5 largest cities are the one who earn low. Do you know how teachers salary is formed? They have sort of a stake system. The more lessons you give, the more you earn. Music class teacher earns less than math class teacher. All teachers earn differently.

Like I've said before, if someone earns low, then he allowed others to pay him low. In example with teachers, they have chosen to be teachers on their own. Teachers never earn a lot, so they knew what they were coming. Those who complain that they earn low, there is always a possibility to find a better job. Maybe not instantly, maybe not even in their city or country, but there are jobs. So instead of sitting, complaining on faith, they would better stand and act.

The thing about current life that we have right now, is the fact that the free market decides their worth, you can say that is a good thing, you can say that it is a bad thing, but without UBI, it will leave some people poor.

A music teacher could be something that you can find easily, there could be a lot of them, and the "importance" the culture put into them could be lower, whereas a math teacher could be something harder to find, and that is why they can charge more, and the culture could care about that a lot more. In that situation, people who are math teachers would of course earn more, because they are more in demand.

This free market understanding could be something awesome, if we could just have UBI, that means, if everyone can provide money for shelter, food, health and education, nothing more, I do not mean like a mansion, not lobster every night, not private high edge medical care, I mean just basic human needs, if they can be covered, then free market is awesome, because poor would be covering their basic needs, and rich could build rockets to send their cars to space.

[Moeda]

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

Of course many people think as you say. A company will not progress without a great director, and a director will not be great without employees who are ready to work hard. This is mutual attachment.
But why is everyone's salary different, even the janitor's salary is lower than all other employees.

But we can ensure that the education level of all the people working in the office is definitely different. The higher the education level, the higher the salary you get. Apart from that, the level of experience and length of time they have worked can also influence the amount of salary they receive.

So when we are only able to work as a janitor, never envy those who are able to prepare financial accounting. No company has gone bankrupt because of a janitor, but many companies have gone bankrupt because of financial mismanagement.

Then who is able to take care of the financial sector? Those who have a high level of education, of course with the position of director.

This means that the director's risk is higher than that of the janitor.

Then, is it appropriate for them to receive more salary than others?

[Betwrong]

I also don't understand why they have different kind of treatment.

The other one has a diploma and the other one don't have or maybe a college undergraduate, nevertheless, they both work to build something or to create something, so there should be no discrimination and they both deserve equal treatment when it comes to salary. However, since we live in a cruel world where power always bully those who are weak, that's why skilled laborer or any blue collar job employees gets only few bucks for their hard work.

I don't think so. I think in most Western countries the power tries to protect those who are weak from bullies' attacks and  this kind of governments are so strong that even in less developed countries governments act like they are doing the same. I think your government is fooling you paying you little and saying that everyone everywhere "gets only few bucks for their hard work". Overthrow your government. Many millions of people around the world live better lives because they did it at some point, in some places peacefully and in others not so, but there's enough resources for everyone in this world and governments that tell their people otherwise while robbing them should be overthrown.

[Assface16678]

I also don't understand why they have different kind of treatment.

The other one has a diploma and the other one don't have or maybe a college undergraduate, nevertheless, they both work to build something or to create something, so there should be no discrimination and they both deserve equal treatment when it comes to salary. However, since we live in a cruel world where power always bully those who are weak, that's why skilled laborer or any blue collar job employees gets only few bucks for their hard work.

Sad reality but it is what it is but let's be practical do you think if all people has the same rate or salary will there be a system inthe world or will therr be a balance? i know it harsh, but I don't discriminate in fact I salute those minimum wage earners but the thing is this is the world works, there will be people who will stay minimum wager no matter what they do, let's be real there is no such world where all people have the same status or in the same boat because if those then what will happen to us? Chaos without order, that's why we can only survive on our own, because no one will help us nothing but us, so what should we do? No matter what people say about your job keep on living because if you stop then you will starve, it is not a sin to be poor but dying still being poor is your fault.

[lepbagong]

This is just one more example of the supply and demand in action, if the job in question is something that anyone with minimum literacy can do then it is not going to be well payed no matter how much you do not like this situation, however if you have a rare skill, your specific profession is in high demand or you are simply very skilled on your particular profession then you are going to make a lot of money, now if even that is not enough for you then people should strive to create their own business or simply become an independent contractor so they can obtain even more profits from their skills.

Work that is easy and can be done by many people without the special skills and responsibilities that must be had will certainly have a value that is difficult to get from what is done, and this is a cause and effect that cannot be avoided.agree that with the potential to have a special profession that is needed by users, they will get added value, which will certainly get a decent award.But don't turn a blind eye; there are still references to influence in every job that entrepreneurs sometimes don't make sense to do because of proximity or acquaintance.It is indeed better to be an entrepreneur for work done to your own ability and to get appreciation from those in need.

[trendcoin]

The free market determines everything. Nobody should think that they are gods and that they can fix things by taking on certain tasks... For example, if there are not enough carpenters in a region and the demand for carpentry work is increasing, carpenters make a lot of money. Everything is as simple as that. If society's needs change and they prefer mass-produced furniture with minimal designs, carpenters will earn less money and the carpentry profession will fall out of favor... Everything is about the balance of supply and demand. Coercive interventions into this balance from outside are the same as playing god...

[sekalitas]

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

I believe wages are determined by a combination of the value a worker brings and the dynamics of supply and demand. For jobs with low skill requirements and abundant worker supply, the pay is typically low. Even with low pay, applicants abound. So, why would the company raise wages? However, when worker supply is scarce, even for blue-collar jobs, companies offer higher wages due to the critical need for their workforce. Ultimately, supply and demand dictate wages. White-collar jobs have higher skill requirements, leading to a smaller talent pool and generally higher pay compared to blue-collar jobs.

[blckhawk]

I do think there should be a pay correction but more than that, there should be a drastic pay raise for everyone, the current minimum wage isn't a good amount of money already to survive daily so I believe that a big raise in salary in all collars of job is a must and not to mention that this debate is just a thing that will divide the workers so they don't see that it's the big businesses that's the problem
 Before anyone can say that it's impossible to do a raise, a lot of companies have already done that and they've gotten more profit because they've got a happier employees that are willing to work for them.

[slapper]

The free market determines everything. Nobody should think that they are gods and that they can fix things by taking on certain tasks... For example, if there are not enough carpenters in a region and the demand for carpentry work is increasing, carpenters make a lot of money. Everything is as simple as that. If society's needs change and they prefer mass-produced furniture with minimal designs, carpenters will earn less money and the carpentry profession will fall out of favor... Everything is about the balance of supply and demand. Coercive interventions into this balance from outside are the same as playing god...

The free market is a beast of its own making, but to imagine it gets by without human intervention is foolish. Leadership shapes the atmosphere where wealth and scarcity occur, yet to disregard this is to overlook half the story. Policies and laws set the setting for leaders. They create the market's sandbox, opposing and uniting forces

Monopolies might restrict competition, patent trolls could inhibit innovation, and sectors could collapse under short-sighted greed without good policy. It's not about intervening for the sake of intervening; it's about making the game fair, getting the rules right, and making the market truly free, not just for the major players. Thus, the appropriate leader may improve life by protecting the values that keep the market dynamic and open to everybody

[AVE5]

I am not after discriminating any of the above categories but I can say to this that it there must be district of payment differences, then "technical job nature"  in both white collar or Skil based job should should be considered an utmost more payable. This is as a result of working critically and mathematically in other to bring results or achieving a a goal (target)

[Betwrong]

I do think there should be a pay correction but more than that, there should be a drastic pay raise for everyone, the current minimum wage isn't a good amount of money already to survive daily so I believe that a big raise in salary in all collars of job is a must and not to mention that this debate is just a thing that will divide the workers so they don't see that it's the big businesses that's the problem
 Before anyone can say that it's impossible to do a raise, a lot of companies have already done that and they've gotten more profit because they've got a happier employees that are willing to work for them.

That will surely cause inflation, and then even the big salaries those companies you mentioned are already paying to their employees wouldn't be enough to survive. If someone thinks he's not paid enough for his work, he should be looking for another place, where he will be appreciated. And everyone is not paying enough, then maybe the profession isn't exactly in high demand and you you should switch to another one.