Trading new listed coin/token

[Adbitco]

Possibly market makers are the one open up a huge liqyidity on it. I like to buy ace too at lower price like 1 or 2$ but its just a split second to seen that price level and become two digits right away. If ever theres a bot that can operate on cex that would be better tool since the volatility is too high.

Bots is what mostly manipulate the price of token that much, sometimes I do face difficulty during my trading days whenever there is a new token be listed in one of this exchange and you don't have the token maybe were thinking of buying very cheap when they listed, within a 5 minutes candle you would experience an exponential increase making the coin to increased uncontrollably then you start wondering about the manipulation.

So, then I was told the owners/some other traders are using bots to control the price of token/coin if only they have bought at presale they uses that medium to manipulate the prices especially when the buy order is higher than the selling pressure what op explained mostly happened over time.

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[Joseph-P]

Hello everyone,
for a few months, I've been learning forex currency trading and recently started exploring the crypto market. Currently, I'm conducting small experiments to understand the dynamics, using OKX and Binance.

I noticed that, unlike the Forex currency, in the Crypto world when Coin/Token are listed, a remarkable bullish impulse is always presented in the first 15 minutes.
Today there was a particular day, on OKX and Binance the token ACE was listed, which I think I understood that it was expected and therefore of interest, and only on OKX has been listed another less interesting token (SATS) .
I took advantage of this opportunity to make a trading test on newly listed assets and I saw that for both cases, 95% of the length of the first candle is reached in a fraction of a second. It is humanly impossible that a person manages in such a short time to open a position and consequently it seems obvious to me that below there is the use of bots. Considering that a user cannot create a bot for a coin/token that is not yet listed, I think it is the broker himself (OKX, Binance) to pump that 95% of the first candle in the way completely exclusive, allowing users to start trading only after the initial pump.

I would like to ask someone who already has experience of trading Crypto if he confirms what I have written.

Or maybe I missed something and it is possible to create a bot for a coin that is in the listing process...

Thanks!

I noticed the hike in ACE price too after listing, but the CEX I use is Bitget. Yh, it's usually that way whenever a new token gets listed, it pumps for a while and then drops down a fair bit to maintain a solid price range.  One thing I know for sure though, is that there's transparency on the path of CEXs. Price manipulation on these type of tokens is risky and those 1st minute price hikes is most likely as a result of many traders' market orders being filled in

[albon]

Hello everyone,

I noticed that, unlike the Forex currency, in the Crypto world when Coin/Token are listed, a remarkable bullish impulse is always presented in the first 15 minutes.

Yes, that's correct. Usually, newly listed currencies on Binance or any top exchange & trading platform experience a significant pump within a few minutes. With a Millions of investors and traders, including whales and market makers, eagerly await the end of the countdown of currency to be listed and buy large quantities, joining the pump. ^[1] Those with excellent luck, quick market orders, high-speed internet, or the use of bots that buy newly listed currencies. [I don't recommend and haven't tried these bots due to the numerous risks involved.] ^[2] They are those who manage to buy the currency during these challenging and competitive times.

It's worth mentioning that those who participated in the Launchpool launched by Binance for this currency five days before its listing received ACE tokens and gained +4000% immediately upon listing. This was also a great way to participate and earn project tokens and followed the price rise to $16. Fortunately, I managed to acquire 10 ACE tokens.

[batang_bitcoin]

In the first few days actually, this is normal for the newly listed coins in exchanges that they'll get some value and that's going to determine if they'll stay for so long. But also the choice of exchange is an important thing to them if they'll stay here for a longer time. That's how new projects goes and usually a dump is followed by listings so, most of the early investors can get out. But if they survive, then the rest gets hefty load of profit.

[poodle63]

In the first few days actually, this is normal for the newly listed coins in exchanges that they'll get some value and that's going to determine if they'll stay for so long. But also the choice of exchange is an important thing to them if they'll stay here for a longer time. That's how new projects goes and usually a dump is followed by listings so, most of the early investors can get out. But if they survive, then the rest gets hefty load of profit.

the trend of the market that is bullrun right now kinda changed that routine right now many coin after listing still holding its value for long because many people are also getting fomo into buying the coin and holding it instead, sometime the coin after listing are also having some rally like if i remember correctly JTO was having quite good rally after listing and instead of dumping it have some rally that increase the price to be quite high, and recently its ACE that have the same rally, I guess bullrun does affect greatly towards the listing of new coin it also prove that the decision of many dev to hold for another bullrun in releasing their coin to be right.
right now I believe can be a good time to invest when at first listing so long we can get the initial price its already good enough because the trend is rally.
even though there might be some coin that dumps after listing thats because the coin is fundamentally weak so its different based on quality alone.

[Fundamentals Of]

Fake volume is rampant on exchanges. Fake trades are also rampant. Bots are all over exchanges as well. These are obvious. Volume has to go up or else the newly listed coin/token will not be attractive to the real traders and could be delisted sooner or later. Liquidity has to be high. This is the reason why fake orders have to be made. Whether this directly involves Binance or not probably depends on the coin, but the development team is probably at the forefront of this.

Fake volumes in this case are the result of MM’s work, and not “drawn” by the CEX exchange. So it was and so it will be. The benefit always remains with the exchange (trading fee, withdrawal fee) and MM (here you can also include the owners of TG/DC channels who are catching up with the main asset with their subscribers).

MM you mean management? Yes of course. And yes it is not "drawn" by the centralized exchange but probably indirectly encouraged. It's not easy for a token or coin to land on Binance or OKX for example. And there are things that have to be maintained. Failing on it could mean having your coin or token kicked out and all efforts to reach there would go to waste. So certain things will have to be done and that includes wash trading. That's not allowed of course but we all know almost all altcoins are involved in it.

[wxa7115]

Hello everyone,
for a few months, I've been learning forex currency trading and recently started exploring the crypto market. Currently, I'm conducting small experiments to understand the dynamics, using OKX and Binance.

I noticed that, unlike the Forex currency, in the Crypto world when Coin/Token are listed, a remarkable bullish impulse is always presented in the first 15 minutes.
Today there was a particular day, on OKX and Binance the token ACE was listed, which I think I understood that it was expected and therefore of interest, and only on OKX has been listed another less interesting token (SATS) .
I took advantage of this opportunity to make a trading test on newly listed assets and I saw that for both cases, 95% of the length of the first candle is reached in a fraction of a second. It is humanly impossible that a person manages in such a short time to open a position and consequently it seems obvious to me that below there is the use of bots. Considering that a user cannot create a bot for a coin/token that is not yet listed, I think it is the broker himself (OKX, Binance) to pump that 95% of the first candle in the way completely exclusive, allowing users to start trading only after the initial pump.

I would like to ask someone who already has experience of trading Crypto if he confirms what I have written.

Or maybe I missed something and it is possible to create a bot for a coin that is in the listing process...

Thanks!

It is plausible this is a combination of factors, since it is possible exchanges are manipulating the price of the coins that are newly listed to produce profits for themselves or simply to make the coin more attractive and bring more investors to that coin.

However creating a bot that detects when a new coin is listed and then decided to act as soon as possible should not be that hard, and anyone that could create a trading bot should be capable enough to do this.

[Ben Barubal]

Hello everyone,
for a few months, I've been learning forex currency trading and recently started exploring the crypto market. Currently, I'm conducting small experiments to understand the dynamics, using OKX and Binance.

I noticed that, unlike the Forex currency, in the Crypto world when Coin/Token are listed, a remarkable bullish impulse is always presented in the first 15 minutes.
Today there was a particular day, on OKX and Binance the token ACE was listed, which I think I understood that it was expected and therefore of interest, and only on OKX has been listed another less interesting token (SATS) .
I took advantage of this opportunity to make a trading test on newly listed assets and I saw that for both cases, 95% of the length of the first candle is reached in a fraction of a second. It is humanly impossible that a person manages in such a short time to open a position and consequently it seems obvious to me that below there is the use of bots. Considering that a user cannot create a bot for a coin/token that is not yet listed, I think it is the broker himself (OKX, Binance) to pump that 95% of the first candle in the way completely exclusive, allowing users to start trading only after the initial pump.

I would like to ask someone who already has experience of trading Crypto if he confirms what I have written.

Or maybe I missed something and it is possible to create a bot for a coin that is in the listing process...

Thanks!

  I was curious about the coins you mentioned that's why I checked this platform of mexc this ACE then I also checked the SATS on the same platform exchange if you look they have the same form as how they performed pump direction on the chart graph 2 days ago.

https://www.mexc.com/exchange/ACE_USDT?_from=search_spot_trade
https:// www.mexc.com/exchange/SATS_USDT?_from=search_spot_trade

  These styles of movement for me are a bit high volatile and for me I do not recommend investing right now unless after 60 days we will see what the price will really be. Think about ACE 2 days ago when it was listed in Mexc the price started at 0.96$ per coin then on the same day it pumped to 16$ per coin then dropped a little now it's at 12$ per coin, it's a bit scary. Then the volume is not enough for my opinion. Do your own research for those who will try to invest here.

[Bazzu]

Most of the prices that are pumped quickly on Cex when a new token or coin is listed may be due to many people setting high selling prices. Namely those who already own coins before they are registered. Because usually deposits are always opened 1 day before coins are traded. Usually they are people who have coins from an airdrop or something. So, when the coin starts trading, usually there are always lots of people who make market orders (instant buy) so that the price obtained is the closest price to the sell order that has been made. And usually the big purchase at the beginning continues to collide with each layer of selling orders until it gets to the highest. So it can come back down quickly like a needle. I think bot manipulation in Cex is difficult. I know there is something like that in Dex but in Cex I haven't looked into it.

[batang_bitcoin]

In the first few days actually, this is normal for the newly listed coins in exchanges that they'll get some value and that's going to determine if they'll stay for so long. But also the choice of exchange is an important thing to them if they'll stay here for a longer time. That's how new projects goes and usually a dump is followed by listings so, most of the early investors can get out. But if they survive, then the rest gets hefty load of profit.

the trend of the market that is bullrun right now kinda changed that routine right now many coin after listing still holding its value for long because many people are also getting fomo into buying the coin and holding it instead, sometime the coin after listing are also having some rally like if i remember correctly JTO was having quite good rally after listing and instead of dumping it have some rally that increase the price to be quite high, and recently its ACE that have the same rally, I guess bullrun does affect greatly towards the listing of new coin it also prove that the decision of many dev to hold for another bullrun in releasing their coin to be right.
right now I believe can be a good time to invest when at first listing so long we can get the initial price its already good enough because the trend is rally.
even though there might be some coin that dumps after listing thats because the coin is fundamentally weak so its different based on quality alone.

While that's likely true, the reason behind most of the newly launched projects that are holding with their market and prices is due to the upcoming bull run. This is one of the signs that we're entering the bull run because most of these projects are getting success with their pre-seeds and launches. When they hit the exchanges, that makes them very reliable on the eyes of most of their investors but still they need to rethink because they're just launched at the right timing.

[Sophokles]

If it's a new token in most cases early investors tried to dump their holding to take out their seed money to be on the safe side. There are very few project that has strong market maker who hold the price from dumping. But in most project you will see price dump to a certain points then start moving sideways. That is the time to take entry for a short term entry.

[fapar]

Fake volume is rampant on exchanges. Fake trades are also rampant. Bots are all over exchanges as well. These are obvious. Volume has to go up or else the newly listed coin/token will not be attractive to the real traders and could be delisted sooner or later. Liquidity has to be high. This is the reason why fake orders have to be made. Whether this directly involves Binance or not probably depends on the coin, but the development team is probably at the forefront of this.

Fake volumes in this case are the result of MM’s work, and not “drawn” by the CEX exchange. So it was and so it will be. The benefit always remains with the exchange (trading fee, withdrawal fee) and MM (here you can also include the owners of TG/DC channels who are catching up with the main asset with their subscribers).

MM you mean management? Yes of course. And yes it is not "drawn" by the centralized exchange but probably indirectly encouraged. It's not easy for a token or coin to land on Binance or OKX for example. And there are things that have to be maintained. Failing on it could mean having your coin or token kicked out and all efforts to reach there would go to waste. So certain things will have to be done and that includes wash trading. That's not allowed of course but we all know almost all altcoins are involved in it.

By MM I mean market maker. They can be attracted by the creators of the coin, for example several large influencers, or “work” directly in collaboration with CEX.
Nowadays it is impossible for a no-name project to be listed on a large CEX, now 99% of startups are visible to everyone (their team is public); gone are the days of ICO of 2016 with a “Photoshop” team on the project website. But Solana “opened the door” for a huge variety of shit tokens with Time-to-live 1 day.

[Belarge]

If it's a new token in most cases early investors tried to dump their holding to take out their seed money to be on the safe side. There are very few project that has strong market maker who hold the price from dumping. But in most project you will see price dump to a certain points then start moving sideways. That is the time to take entry for a short term entry.

Shorterm trading is important and the key to enabling reinforced strategies. Trading new token, is it safe? I probably don't think so because the system have crucial settings that doesn't fall to our requirements and planning, rather it plans to go against our targets and costing us to record irrelevant losses. Every positive ideas is welcome in the system, there are several steps to follow when it comes working on the right path and there's also evidence that one can become successful in the system as long as he triggered good entries on prominent projects.

[oktana]

Well, I’ve also wondered similar stuff in Binance new listings. Like how you’ll see a coin/token listed and then boom, it says 2000% already. I once did the calculation and it didn’t add up. What I can offer here is the advice that you should be careful on new listings because all of that initial price isn’t the actual price it’ll stay at. It can go low below the price you’re seeing or even high above it. So, it’s not just the first 15 minutes that has that crazy volatility but the whole day, and sometimes even the next day. And if one is not careful, they can have their money swallowed in the market.

[Fundamentals Of]

Fake volume is rampant on exchanges. Fake trades are also rampant. Bots are all over exchanges as well. These are obvious. Volume has to go up or else the newly listed coin/token will not be attractive to the real traders and could be delisted sooner or later. Liquidity has to be high. This is the reason why fake orders have to be made. Whether this directly involves Binance or not probably depends on the coin, but the development team is probably at the forefront of this.

Fake volumes in this case are the result of MM’s work, and not “drawn” by the CEX exchange. So it was and so it will be. The benefit always remains with the exchange (trading fee, withdrawal fee) and MM (here you can also include the owners of TG/DC channels who are catching up with the main asset with their subscribers).

MM you mean management? Yes of course. And yes it is not "drawn" by the centralized exchange but probably indirectly encouraged. It's not easy for a token or coin to land on Binance or OKX for example. And there are things that have to be maintained. Failing on it could mean having your coin or token kicked out and all efforts to reach there would go to waste. So certain things will have to be done and that includes wash trading. That's not allowed of course but we all know almost all altcoins are involved in it.

By MM I mean market maker. They can be attracted by the creators of the coin, for example several large influencers, or “work” directly in collaboration with CEX.
Nowadays it is impossible for a no-name project to be listed on a large CEX, now 99% of startups are visible to everyone (their team is public); gone are the days of ICO of 2016 with a “Photoshop” team on the project website. But Solana “opened the door” for a huge variety of shit tokens with Time-to-live 1 day.

Yes, you can't be a no-name project and get listed on the likes of Binance and OKX unless you can pay that huge fee, which means you can also spend money to make your coin known. If you want it for free, then you need to start a hype around your project. It has to have a bigger name in the market for it to be recognized and make its way to admission.

Solana is guilty as well as Binance and Ethereum and some others. Right now with NFTs, even Bitcoin has opened its doors to worthless tokens.

[Bazzu]

If it's a new token in most cases early investors tried to dump their holding to take out their seed money to be on the safe side. There are very few project that has strong market maker who hold the price from dumping. But in most project you will see price dump to a certain points then start moving sideways. That is the time to take entry for a short term entry.

Well you made the right observation in this regard. Because indeed the best time to enter a new project is after they have finished dumping and the decline has begun to subside and then the line has shown sideways. And indeed that's a better time to enter if we want to start accumulation in the hope of making a profit on the next rise. But that only applies to altcoin projects that have large investors in them. And have a team that is actively developing the project. Because there are also projects that are only made to be pumped and then thrown away without coming back up. Because the project will immediately stop and the roadmap will not be fulfilled.

[Publictalk792]

Well you made the right observation in this regard. Because indeed the best time to enter a new project is after they have finished dumping and the decline has begun to subside and then the line has shown sideways. And indeed that's a better time to enter if we want to start accumulation in the hope of making a profit on the next rise. But that only applies to altcoin projects that have large investors in them. And have a team that is actively developing the project. Because there are also projects that are only made to be pumped and then thrown away without coming back up. Because the project will immediately stop and the roadmap will not be fulfilled.

Exactly it is important to choose the right time to enter a new project especially in the cryptocurrency market. Waiting for the dump and stabilize before starting can be a smart choice. In this way you will buy asset at  lower price and can make money when it will go up again.
But before you investing in a altcoin project it is important to think about its specific purpose. Projects with much big investors and active team work have a better chance of doing what they promise.On other hand some projects are only for to make a quick profit and then disappear. So we should be careful about these kind of projects. Make some profit and exit.
If you become greedy and will try to get more profit or money so you can face loss. So make a good research and then enter in project.

[fapar]

Fake volume is rampant on exchanges. Fake trades are also rampant. Bots are all over exchanges as well. These are obvious. Volume has to go up or else the newly listed coin/token will not be attractive to the real traders and could be delisted sooner or later. Liquidity has to be high. This is the reason why fake orders have to be made. Whether this directly involves Binance or not probably depends on the coin, but the development team is probably at the forefront of this.

Fake volumes in this case are the result of MM’s work, and not “drawn” by the CEX exchange. So it was and so it will be. The benefit always remains with the exchange (trading fee, withdrawal fee) and MM (here you can also include the owners of TG/DC channels who are catching up with the main asset with their subscribers).

MM you mean management? Yes of course. And yes it is not "drawn" by the centralized exchange but probably indirectly encouraged. It's not easy for a token or coin to land on Binance or OKX for example. And there are things that have to be maintained. Failing on it could mean having your coin or token kicked out and all efforts to reach there would go to waste. So certain things will have to be done and that includes wash trading. That's not allowed of course but we all know almost all altcoins are involved in it.

By MM I mean market maker. They can be attracted by the creators of the coin, for example several large influencers, or “work” directly in collaboration with CEX.
Nowadays it is impossible for a no-name project to be listed on a large CEX, now 99% of startups are visible to everyone (their team is public); gone are the days of ICO of 2016 with a “Photoshop” team on the project website. But Solana “opened the door” for a huge variety of shit tokens with Time-to-live 1 day.

Yes, you can't be a no-name project and get listed on the likes of Binance and OKX unless you can pay that huge fee, which means you can also spend money to make your coin known. If you want it for free, then you need to start a hype around your project. It has to have a bigger name in the market for it to be recognized and make its way to admission.

Solana is guilty as well as Binance and Ethereum and some others. Right now with NFTs, even Bitcoin has opened its doors to worthless tokens.

I'll paraphrase you: ordinals/inscriptions revealed a "bottleneck" of protocols/chains when generating transactions. What was originally built into BTC but never used has now led to copycat use on other chains, overloading them and greatly increasing transaction fees. But while ordinals/inscriptions are being traded, they will continue to be minted.

[The Cryptovator]

When a token decides to list on an exchange, the exchange provides two market-making accounts and a trading bot to make volume and keep enough liquidity to trade. So bots and market makers push the chart at the beginning, and we are unable to place trades before the bots and market-making teams. That's how listing works. We are able to place a trade after a few minutes, and then the chart becomes almost stable. Even if you are holding a token on the exchange from other sources, most likely you can't sell it at its top price. Because you won't place the trade.