Bitcointalk mixer ban, Altcointalk is active in that scope.

[BTC_pokaop]

Do you agree with what I think? We found that the altcointalk forum was not that active even a few days ago. But now altcointalk forum is very active as professional manager is running signature campaign. People run after their own interests.

Now if this BitcoinTalk forum is not allowed to conduct any kind of signature campaign, will everyone be active in this forum as it is now? No one posts here without profit, everyone has a signature code on their account, there are only a handful of people left.

Well am I just here to gain knowledge in this bitcointalk forum? Are you also just here to gain knowledge? I won't say, no one comes to this forum to gain knowledge, signature is the only goal besides gaining knowledge. I also have a goal in the future to grow my account and try to join signature campaigns.

Well now if all types of signatures are stopped from this forum then there will be no people to post here. I'm not saying that absolutely no one will post, there will be many who don't have any kind of signature. Am I right or wrong about this? What is the benefit of closing the mixer campaign? altcointalk are allowed. Has it been justified to stop the mixer campaign at all? Discontinuing the mixer campaign on the BitcoinTalk forum has had one benefit, that is, the activation of the altcointalk forum.

[dzungmobile]

Do you agree with what I think? We found that the altcointalk forum was not that active even a few days ago. But now altcointalk forum is very active as professional manager is running signature campaign. People run after their own interests.

Bitcointalk is one of forums globally and one of Bitcoin, cryptocurrency forums. People can use many forums if they want but let me ask you what forum is most important with you?

Now if this BitcoinTalk forum is not allowed to conduct any kind of signature campaign, will everyone be active in this forum as it is now? No one posts here without profit, everyone has a signature code on their account, there are only a handful of people left.

Now, the policy change will be a ban on all mixer signature campaigns since January 1, 2024. There is nothing about ban on all signature campaigns.

You must know in the past, theymos, even considered to use his last resort to ban all signatures, all campaigns if the forum continues to be covered by shit posts. Fortunately merit system works and we still have this industry in Bitcointalk.

Signature is a privilege, not a right, bookmark it please.

Honestly, I find signature advertisements distasteful, and it is not impossible that I will someday ban the practice. However, it's obviously an important part of the forum ecosystem today. So if you use signatures for advertising, what are your suggestions for forum improvements in that area?

For example, one idea I had was to allow users to subscribe to campaigns that other users set up, and then the campaigner could automatically push signature updates to everyone subscribed, and also track exactly when and for how long each user was subscribed. Would this be significantly useful? I'm not all that familiar with how these signature campaigns work, so I'm not sure.

However: the forum will never intermediate these transactions. We will not touch the money involved or perform any sort of "screening", etc. Also, I have no particular desire for the forum to take a cut of sig-ad transactions.

(I'm probably not going to implement anything in this area very soon, but the matter has been on my mind lately, and I wanted to see what people thought.)

What are everyone's ideas for improving post quality?

I have mostly ruled out:

 - Removing signatures or sig ads globally.
 - Requiring payment to wear sig ads.
 - Banning account sales.

Well am I just here to gain knowledge in this bitcointalk forum? Are you also just here to gain knowledge?

If you are here to learn, gain knowledge, why did you create this topic to discuss about signature?

[Nwada001]

everyone has a signature code on their account, there are only a handful of people left.

If you say everyone here has a signature code on their profile, you are wrong, but the majority of all the active members here wear signatures on their signature spaces, and most of them who don't wear signatures might be a result of not having a campaign yet. But still, there are members who, since I joined this forum, have not worn signatures, and they are even more active than most of us who are advertising a particular brand.
 
If you are not yet convinced about members who don't wear signatures, I can make you a list of at least 10 of them.
 
There is also no doubt that the traffic and audience here will reduce if the signature part of the forum is entirely disabled. Many are here for knowledge, as they claim, which is also an undeniable fact because there is a lot of information here and more to learn than we can imagine.

The earning part is also one thing that keeps people going, and most people have dedicated their time here on the forum as a result of the double benefit they get, so if one of these is cut down, we will definitely see a reduction in active users.

[NotATether]

Do you agree with what I think? We found that the altcointalk forum was not that active even a few days ago. But now altcointalk forum is very active as professional manager is running signature campaign. People run after their own interests.

It's very active and full of signature participants... normal people still go to bitcointalk because that is one of the first results you get in a google search for most bitcoin topics.

Also did you know that the rates they are paying over there are less than what even a Full Member can earn here? That is the difference in the domain rankings of these two sites.

[EarnOnVictor]

I don't think you can get a sincere response from most people here, they might say they are ardent fans of Bitcointalk, but in truth, they are for the money. Bitcointalk however has a whole lot of usefulness, it is useful for learning even as you gain knowledge and impacts your idea as well, and it is very useful when it comes to earning also. You can know those who are in for the money naturally, though they learn and impart knowledge as well, and you can know those who are just imparting knowledge and learning where they can without the main focus on the money. Anyhow the case may be, you will realise that those who are in for the money are more than those who are in for the knowledge, to gain it and impact it. So, if anything bad happens to the forum, you will definitely see them run away. They will say otherwise or act otherwise if asked, but it's a lie.

As for the altcoin forum, some here are already running to it, that's a fact. I know the altcoin forum exactly the same time I joined Bitcointalk and I have been loyal here. Even as I hear about going there to have a double presence, I forbid it myself because quality is better than quantity. Bitcointalk forum is number 1, just like Bitcoin, and I don't think I need more load on myself anymore. So why not stick to the best and shun the rest?

[Igebotz]

What is the benefit of closing the mixer campaign? altcointalk are allowed. Has it been justified to stop the mixer campaign at all? Discontinuing the mixer campaign on the BitcoinTalk forum has had one benefit, that is, the activation of the altcointalk forum.

Well, unforseen events contributed to Bitcoin adoption so if ban on mixers on BTT is going to be the breakthrough altcointalk needed to raise the DA and DR of the sites so be it.

Secondly altcointalk is hosted outside the U.S jurisdiction, it's one of the safest forum out there. Something theymos should have done a long time ago.

[NotATether]

Secondly altcointalk is hosted outside the U.S jurisdiction, it's one of the safest forum out there. Something theymos should have done a long time ago.

This would not improve any legal safety for Bitcointalk unless theymos himself also moved outside U.S. jurisdiction. What is stopping law enforcement from forcing him to hand over database access and/or records from the "off-shore" servers, in the event they come for questioning or arrest?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Now if this BitcoinTalk forum is not allowed to conduct any kind of signature campaign<snip>

Well now if all types of signatures are stopped from this forum<snip>

This discussion has been had many times before, but you probably aren't aware of that unless your account is an alt of an older member, which I'd put the odds at 50/50 of being the case, probably better.

Were there any mixer campaigns prior to Chipmixer?  I can't recall there being any, just ones for various exchanges, casinos and the like.  In any case, any forum can do what they like.  Theymos could probably even decide to allow discussion and promotion of mixers if he wanted to, but he doesn't.  That doesn't mean bitcointalk is going to suddenly become a ghost town, and I can tell you with near 100% certainty that just because altcointalk became active (I'm not sure I've even heard of them) and that mixer campaigns are going away that this forum's going down the tubes.  This place is the place to discuss the king of all kings when it comes to cryptocurrency.

Now then, how many of these BS topics by apparent newcomers are we going to get?

Bitcointalk however has a whole lot of usefulness, it is useful for learning even as you gain knowledge and impacts your idea as well, and it is very useful when it comes to learning also.

Hell yes.  Pretty much everything I've ever learned about crypto has come from bitcointalk.  Most members are indeed here to earn money, but there are a lot of people in campaigns or not in them who are willing to answer questions for anyone who asks and to start threads on hot topics concerning bitcoin.  It's a great place to get a feel of the bitcoin world and the people in it.

[Igebotz]

Secondly altcointalk is hosted outside the U.S jurisdiction, it's one of the safest forum out there. Something theymos should have done a long time ago.

This would not improve any legal safety for Bitcointalk unless theymos himself also moved outside U.S. jurisdiction. What is stopping law enforcement from forcing him to hand over database access and/or records from the "off-shore" servers, in the event they come for questioning or arrest?

thyemos' mistake was messing with his privacy and location; I had no idea he was going down a street in the U.S buying McDonald's. I used to think he was the closest thing to Satoshi in terms of privacy, but I was wrong.

If only the site was hosted on one of BRICS servers. Who knows.

[Rikafip]

Now if this BitcoinTalk forum is not allowed to conduct any kind of signature campaign, will everyone be active in this forum as it is now?

Of course not, my guesstimate is that in case of signature campain (and bounty campaign) ban. bitcointalk traffic would go down at least 90%, maybe even more. Everyone is aware of that (forum staff included), therefore I don't think that there is a big possibility of that happening.

If only the site was hosted on one of BRICS servers. Who knows.

Given their stance on bitcoin and freedom of speech in general, imho it would be even worse (e.g, people from Russia have to use VPN in order to access bitcointalk as its banned there) if site was histed in BRICS countries.

[Lida93]

Do you agree with what I think? We found that the altcointalk forum was not that active even a few days ago. But now altcointalk forum is very active as professional manager is running signature campaign. People run after their own interests.

Whether anyone agrees or not it doesn't change the fact that the altcointalk traffic can't be compared to half the traffic of bitcointalk community has despite mixers now operating in the altcointalk with members here teleporting over there.

There's an adage in my local parlance that says, "if you are big, you are big", so bitcointalk is a big active community and in as much as Bitcoin sits as the leading cryptocurrencies anything associated with altcoin will always have the status of altcoin in the face of bitcoin in extension to bitcointalk forum.

Now if this BitcoinTalk forum is not allowed to conduct any kind of signature campaign, will everyone be active in this forum as it is now? No one posts here without profit, everyone has a signature code on their account, there are only a handful of people left.

Even with the signature campaigns allowed day-in and day-out people are still leaving the forum and that is how new people are also trooping in too, maybe as a newbie you are ignorant of that, do your research about it.

About everyone having a signature code, that's isn't entirely true, not everyone in the forum is with a signature campaign code still they are happily contributing their knowledge to the forum. AFAIK, signature only serve as a motivation to frequently be active 24/7.

 Discontinuing the mixer campaign on the BitcoinTalk forum has had one benefit, that is, the activation of the altcointalk forum.

If you're observant you will without been told know that the attack on mixer that led to it's proposed ban in bitcointalk from 1st January 2024 is an attack targeted on bitcoin of which this forum has been instrumental to bitcoin popularity.  Else why is the government not having issues with mixers been continually advertised on altcointalk but are against it been continued on bitcointalk.?

Read the writing on the wall mate, the attack is indirectly on BTC popularity and not just about mixers.

[digaran]

I had no idea he was going down a street in the U.S buying McDonald's. I used to think he was the closest thing to Satoshi in terms of privacy, but I was wrong.

If only the site was hosted on one of BRICS servers. Who knows.

Agreed, he should call for fast delivery instead, walking down the streets is dangerous. Lol.
Someone recently claimed they have used the same password on that forum and they got hacked here, apparently that forum is run by thieves, though that claim needs more investigation. Time for sheriff to get to work. so chop chop.😂 

[Igebotz]

If only the site was hosted on one of BRICS servers. Who knows.

Given their stance on bitcoin and freedom of speech in general, imho it would be even worse (e.g, people from Russia have to use VPN in order to access bitcointalk as its banned there) if site was histed in BRICS countries.

I continue to believe that sites hosted on BRICS servers are more safe and provide more freedom. Reasons why most DEXs and casinos are not hosted in the U.S jurisdictions.

Where was the old Satoshi forum hosted before moving to the new software? Curious to know

Someone recently claimed they have used the same password on that forum and they got hacked here, apparently that forum is run by thieves, though that claim needs more investigation. Time for sheriff to get to work. so chop chop.😂 

Nothing as such, the forum is well run and safer. I'm a moderator so I know facts

[Mate2237]

Op I got my 100% knowledge about Bitcoin from the Bitcointalk forum. There are two things every users have to do here in the forum. One is to learn what you don't know, and that means you don't know cryptocurrency (Bitcoin) so you are here to learn and when you known then you start to educate or contribute to knowledge and when you have contributed to knowledge for people to appreciate then you rank up and if you want to join  signature campaign to contribute you are free because it is your knowledge. The world now is rule by knowledge.

And what you said that everyone profile has signature code is wrong. JJG is a reputable user in the forum and he is contributing every day yet he is not in any campaign. And not everyone has the ambition you have in the forum. Some are just here to educate others about Bitcoin. Well the banning of Mixers has made AltcoinsTalks to grow well but that will never affect the activeness of Bitcointalk forum. If you check the total number of active threads in beginners and help board in the two forums, you will confirm that Bitcointalk is far active than the AltcoinsTalks. There are some days AltcoinsTalks has only 4 threads for the whole day but in Bitcointalk it enter two pages.

[Rikafip]

I continue to believe that sites hosted on BRICS servers are more safe and provide more freedom.

Fair enough, but what makes you believe that? Are all those very liberal countries known for their freedom of speech (especially Russia and China lol) or some other reason that makes you believe that?

Reasons why most DEXs and casinos are not hosted in the U.S jurisdictions.

Are they maybe hosted in BRICS countries?

[Shishir99]

SNIP

This is a stupid question. Why Altcointalk wasn't active a few days ago? The answer is simple. There were no signature campaigns that paid a good amount of money. Why it's becoming active again? Because there are some campaigns. Of course, the market economy helps forums to remain active. Do you think everyone writes for money? NO. Not everyone. Moreover, even when people write for money, sometimes they add value to your thread. It's easy to find who is writing for money only and who is not. When you see people write only on some specific boards where their campaigns ask to post, (Gambling for example) it's understandable why they do not show any interest on the other side of the forum.

[SamReomo]

We found that the altcointalk forum was not that active even a few days ago. But now altcointalk forum is very active as professional manager is running signature campaign. P

You're right altcoinstalks is very active now but I don't know if the forum was inactive before however the growth it sees after the mixer campaigns moved there is very high. Not only one but two professional campaign managers have running campaigns on that forum that's because they have open-handedly accepted the mixers on their platform. The mixers had to move somewhere to advertise their services and that's why they moved there because from 1st Jan 2024 they aren't allowed to advertise their services on this forum.

Also did you know that the rates they are paying over there are less than what even a Full Member can earn here? That is the difference in the domain rankings of these two sites.

I believe it's the first time when someone has launched signature campaigns on that forum and in initial days I believe the pay is still fine. With the passage of time and growth of the forum the pay may get higher. The pay of the mixer based campaigns was also low a few months ago on Bitcointalk but in current times when mixers aren't yet banned, some users are getting around $250 a week for participating in those campaigns.

[Igebotz]

I continue to believe that sites hosted on BRICS servers are more safe and provide more freedom.

Fair enough, but what makes you believe that? Are all those very liberal countries known for their freedom of speech (especially Russia and China lol) or some other reason that makes you believe that?

Because the BRICS nations have better data protection laws than the US, most private websites are hosted outside of US jurisdictions, at least in my experience.

Are they maybe hosted in BRICS countries?

Yes. 99%

[robelneo]

Well now if all types of signatures are stopped from this forum then there will be no people to post here. I'm not saying that absolutely no one will post, there will be many who don't have any kind of signature. Am I right or wrong about this?

Interacting through forums is very addictive just like posting what's on your mind on Facebook so those who are active whether they have a signature or not will continue to post but those who want to be incentivized will not post frequently but there are still signature campaigns it's not alarming for the forum, activity will be the same.

What is the benefit of closing the mixer campaign? altcointalk are allowed. Has it been justified to stop the mixer campaign at all? Discontinuing the mixer campaign on the BitcoinTalk forum has had one benefit, that is, the activation of the altcointalk forum.

The altcointalk campaign is experimental we will see in the coming months how the forum performs and can the mixers create a brand through that forum and attract more users and will altcointalk will be their forum platform.

[348Judah]

Do you agree with what I think? We found that the altcointalk forum was not that active even a few days ago. But now altcointalk forum is very active as professional manager is running signature campaign. People run after their own interests.

Have you discovered that the altcoinstalks you're talking about is never being active until the campaign managers are taking their awareness job to the platform in other for them to continue with their business, how many people will find it more interesting even after when there's no signature campaign anymore to participate in there, bitcointalk here is a home for all, it's not only about our campaign participation that matters most, we are all bitcoiners that are always interested about bitcoin discussion, you can see a number of people being active on bitcointalk without having being participated in any signature campaign, this is all about passion for what you have invested on which is bitcoin itself.