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December 20, 2023, 07:35:39 PM |
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I was recently arguing with someone whom stated that MJ is a gambling addict, and I pushed back. I think we could probably all agree that being addicted to anything is never good, no matter what it is. Michael is famous for being a big gambler. However, it's not like that's the only thing he does in life. He's a billionaire with many companies and countless things to do each day. Gambling doesn't effect those important things in life.
He takes care of his family, far from broke and gambling brings him entertainment.. so my question, would MJ be considered an addict? I argue he's not. He just loves to do it, but any negative effects may be literally zero ..
Wiki Definition "Addiction is a neuropsychological disorder characterized by a persistent and intense urge to use a drug or engage in a behaviour that produces natural reward, despite substantial harm and other negative consequences. Repetitive drug use often alters brain function in ways that perpetuate craving, and weakens (but does not completely negate) self-control.[1] This phenomenon – drugs reshaping brain function – has led to an understanding of addiction as a brain disorder with a complex variety of psychosocial as well as neurobiological (and thus involuntary)[a] factors that are implicated in addiction's development.[2][3][4] Classic signs of addiction include compulsive engagement in rewarding stimuli, preoccupation with substances or behavior, and continued use despite negative consequences. Habits and patterns associated with addiction are typically characterized by immediate gratification (short-term reward),[5][6] coupled with delayed deleterious effects (long-term costs).[3][7]"
(sorry hilarious and cyrus, I know you see this same type of topic a trillion times a day but this is bit different and something I'm truly interested in discussing, being his situation is unique).
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https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/michael-jordan-and-gambling-a-brief-history-of-basketballs-most-famous-bettor/Despite the damage his reputation took upon the string of 1993 gambling controversies, Jordan didn't quit gambling afterward. While he managed to avoid the limelight in doing so, numerous stories have surfaced from his second Chicago three-peat and beyond. Frequent gambling partner Ron Harper, who both golfed and played cards with Jordan on the team plane as depicted in "The Last Dance," did not join the Bulls until 1994.
This even continued beyond his playing career. Bill Simmons detailed a card game that took place at All-Star Weekend in 2006 that involved Jordan, Charles Oakley and others in The Book of Basketball. In 2019, Chris Paul wagered free sneakers with Jordan at his basketball camp. Lots of celebs can't find anything else which will keep them busy in life so they find peace in gambling sadly. Sometimes you have anything you want in life but it still gets boring when you have no goals left to achieve... then you make up new goals. Sometimes those goals are as stupid as they can get... like gambling your life savings away. Jordan probably haven't gone that far. The article is mostly talking of conspiracies anyway. Why? Because it attract clicks. MJ was a god level player and people wonder if he lost his wealth to gambling. It is like watching a train crash. If there is no crash, then it is just another boring day for the masses.
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December 20, 2023, 07:50:20 PM |
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Anyone that is spending an amount of money that he can afford to lose on gambling, the person is not an addict.
But if someone is spending small amount of money on gambling but seeing himself not leaving gambling but prefer to just gamble and gambling taking his time, the person is an addict.
If gambling is not affecting someone financially and also not spending the time he supposed to spend on other important thing on gambling, then the person is not an addict.
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December 20, 2023, 07:59:32 PM |
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Anyone that is spending an amount of money that he can afford to lose on gambling, the person is not an addict.
But if someone is spending small amount of money on gambling but seeing himself not leaving gambling but prefer to just gamble and gambling taking his time, the person is an addict.
If gambling is not affecting someone financially and also not spending the time he supposed to spend on other important thing on gambling, then the person is not an addict.
Or simply does have that "limitation" but since we are talking about Michael Jordan then those kind of spendings are enourmous but he had been that denying that he isnt an addict. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) And here's some quite updated words from MJ with his $500,000 lose. "I felt that it was unfair that I was considered a criminal for doing something that is not illegal. Gambling is legal and betting is legal," says Jordan in an interview with Ahmad Rashad of NBC. "For what I bet, yeah, it's a little bit more than I wanted to lose, I mean, I didn't bet to lose but I lost it and I paid off all my debts. I didn't want to go to NBC, anyone else, to let him know 'hey, I lost $500,000'.SourceWell, he do have a solid point when it comes to this. Losing money that big wont really be always meaning that they are addicted ones. As long you arent in debts and compromising your finances then it should really be just that fine.
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December 20, 2023, 08:01:51 PM |
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maybe you're right about it. because the money he spent on gambling is just pennies to a billionaire. maybe he is just like drake.
true that he does have lots of things he is good at especially basketball, golf, and even baseball but i think the sports are also the ones dragging him to gambling. i'm sure someone in his team or family trying to stop him from gambling but i guess he didn't stop that why there was news about his gambling addiction.
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December 20, 2023, 08:02:11 PM |
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Is Drake a gambling addict? I think not in the context, same thing with Michael Jordan. Having spent sometime with people who are actually addicted to gambling it makes it obvious that neither of these celebrities are addicts, they are just famous and it will make an attractive story to make them up to be one.
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December 20, 2023, 08:11:52 PM |
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Most addicted and compulsive gamblers that I know are usually far from being responsible individuals in carrying out their daily life activities. What I mean by that is that some of those compulsive gamblers forget to do the very important activities of the day but will cast all their focus only on gambling, forgetting they have other important activities to do for that day.
Most compulsive gamblers usually make the mistake of gambling a very large amount, which may end up causing problems for them. Sometimes they could even gamble with money that is not their own and end up in a deep mess. For example, last week there was a thread I came across about a young guy who committed suicide after losing his bet.
I don't actually find a characterist of a compulsive gambler in the gambling lifestyle of Michael Jordan therefore I don't consider him a compulsive gambler. If he were one, he may have become poor by now because of his irresponsible gambling lifestyle, but nothing like that has happened.
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December 20, 2023, 08:17:35 PM |
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I was recently arguing with someone whom stated that MJ is a gambling addict, and I pushed back. I think we could probably all agree that being addicted to anything is never good, no matter what it is. Michael is famous for being a big gambler. However, it's not like that's the only thing he does in life. He's a billionaire with many companies and countless things to do each day. Gambling doesn't effect those important things in life.
He takes care of his family, far from broke and gambling brings him entertainment.. so my question, would MJ be considered an addict? I argue he's not. He just loves to do it, but any negative effects may be literally zero ..
Wiki Definition "Addiction is a neuropsychological disorder characterized by a persistent and intense urge to use a drug or engage in a behaviour that produces natural reward, despite substantial harm and other negative consequences. Repetitive drug use often alters brain function in ways that perpetuate craving, and weakens (but does not completely negate) self-control.[1] This phenomenon – drugs reshaping brain function – has led to an understanding of addiction as a brain disorder with a complex variety of psychosocial as well as neurobiological (and thus involuntary)[a] factors that are implicated in addiction's development.[2][3][4] Classic signs of addiction include compulsive engagement in rewarding stimuli, preoccupation with substances or behavior, and continued use despite negative consequences. Habits and patterns associated with addiction are typically characterized by immediate gratification (short-term reward),[5][6] coupled with delayed deleterious effects (long-term costs).[3][7]"
(sorry hilarious and cyrus, I know you see this same type of topic a trillion times a day but this is bit different and something I'm truly interested in discussing, being his situation is unique).
Surely as long as he gambles he is encircled by the gambling dangers.Many billionaires before him started gambling for entertainment and eventually they got broke,unless he does it only in some special occasions then he can continue to gamble but if he start doing it daily and he puts gambling before his other businesses and activities then this is a big red flag for him and for his family as it means he can be drowned deep down in to gambling addiction.I also agree that he is not an addicted gambler as of yet but I also am worried for people like him who continue gambling. I also do gambling for entertainment only from quite some time now,playing only little money from the signature campaign and never depositing money of my own from quite so many months now,I tried all the type of slots and they were all the same shit they pay up to a certain point and they suck your money in the end.
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December 20, 2023, 08:20:12 PM |
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He will broke, If not have any (Royalty) Just Dennis Rodman. The only things that make (MJ) still get a good stable financial income is because his deal (Jordan) brand name, If you read a story online. IMO, he was addicted, in the past that can lead him broke. Feel free to search.
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December 20, 2023, 08:21:17 PM |
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There was news about him being invited by Pres. Bush in DC, he didn't show up and it was known later that he was gambling with some celebrities. This was just the rumor at that time but if it were true, this certainly confirmed his gambling did affect his life.
For a billionaire like him though, I wouldn't be surprised that he is looking for something on what to do with his money. Jordan who has everything and can buy lots of expensive stuff, will bet on something just to feel like he is spending because shopping is addictive just like gambling.
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December 20, 2023, 08:24:09 PM |
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For the record, I really think that Michael Jordan is not addicted to gambling but has a tendency that wants to get back his losses but eventually called it quits due to lack of sleep and this has delayed him from returning to the NBA, surely what I think is the urge in returning in basketball was just too stronger than with being addicted to gambling, so for me, Michael Jordan is not really addicted to gambling he might gamble for a couple of games but he will eventually return to his hobby and what he loves most and that is Basketball but because he is retired I really don't know if he pursues gambling again,
Antoine Walker and Michael Jordan were in a restaurant playing a stake spade for almost 2 days straight and were getting cleaned out from that game and refusing to stop that game clearly he does gambling but eventually stops so for me Michael Jordan Stops gambling so there is no urge in getting gambling uncontrollably, but maybe he was addicted at one point but come back in what he loves most, Well the baseball part was due to his father wants him to be a professional baseball player and when his father died he retired in the NBA have switch to baseball because of his father wish,
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December 20, 2023, 08:24:17 PM |
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Addicted or not, its none of our business considering that they've been spending their funds on doing gambling. Its none of our concern on how much they would be able to spend since its their money. Just like on what mentioned above and pertaining about Drake also and we know that there are other celebrities too which do really suffer with that addiction, some do make it as a hobby and there are some might have wrecked up their lives because of it but not had been reported or surfaced out. It is really just that these people used to be famous on which in every move that they would make and the public do able to see on whats happening then it wont be new that there's always something has to say.
We do know that when it comes to gambling then there's no exemption on speaking about addiction. Everyone does and it is really just that notable that these personalities will really be put up focus into but just like i said that its none of our business on how they would gonna spend their funds.
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December 20, 2023, 08:27:10 PM |
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I was recently arguing with someone whom stated that MJ is a gambling addict, and I pushed back. I think we could probably all agree that being addicted to anything is never good, no matter what it is. Michael is famous for being a big gambler. However, it's not like that's the only thing he does in life. He's a billionaire with many companies and countless things to do each day. Gambling doesn't effect those important things in life.
He takes care of his family, far from broke and gambling brings him entertainment.. so my question, would MJ be considered an addict? I argue he's not. He just loves to do it, but any negative effects may be literally zero ..
Wiki Definition "Addiction is a neuropsychological disorder characterized by a persistent and intense urge to use a drug or engage in a behaviour that produces natural reward, despite substantial harm and other negative consequences. Repetitive drug use often alters brain function in ways that perpetuate craving, and weakens (but does not completely negate) self-control.[1] This phenomenon – drugs reshaping brain function – has led to an understanding of addiction as a brain disorder with a complex variety of psychosocial as well as neurobiological (and thus involuntary)[a] factors that are implicated in addiction's development.[2][3][4] Classic signs of addiction include compulsive engagement in rewarding stimuli, preoccupation with substances or behavior, and continued use despite negative consequences. Habits and patterns associated with addiction are typically characterized by immediate gratification (short-term reward),[5][6] coupled with delayed deleterious effects (long-term costs).[3][7]"
(sorry hilarious and cyrus, I know you see this same type of topic a trillion times a day but this is bit different and something I'm truly interested in discussing, being his situation is unique).
Honestly, I've not read about him having any sort of problem but people with a certain level of wealth like MJ are never going to expose these sort of issues. He probably has immense wealth from a variety of sources and could spend big amounts per day while barely making a dent in that fortune. What might seem like a problem amount to us average people, is like pocket change to someone who has accrued hundreds of millions. He worked hard to earn his fortune and deserves to be able to spend it however he likes. The only people that will realistically have influence over him, if it ever became an actual problem, are his family so it's silly even talking about it really. Like you say, if he is still doing plenty of other things in life then I don't think he could be classed as an addict.
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December 20, 2023, 08:28:38 PM |
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It's no secret that Michael Jordan is a gambling enthusiast.
It was even mentioned in the famous documentary about him, "The Last Dance", and shared some of his gambling-related issues way back in his prime days as a basketball superstar. He admitted that he focused on gambling but clarified that he didn't have any gambling-related problems during that time.
Fast forward to the present day, I believe MJ is still involved in gambling. Maybe we can call him a responsible addicted gambler.
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December 20, 2023, 08:29:02 PM |
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We don't know how his personal life is so we won't really know if he's an addict or not. Addiction doesn't always show on the face. A person can be addicted to something and you can't tell if you're not close to him, especially something like a gambling addiction.
It would be wrong to conclude that he's a gambling addict just because he gambles. A lot of celebrities gamble. We've seen Neymar blow thousands of dollars within an hour of gambling. Drake places ridiculously large stakes on sports events like he did in the World Cup final between Argentina and France. It's normal for people to gamble. Celebrities are just like every other human being but with more money and fame.
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December 20, 2023, 08:30:18 PM |
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He's enthusiastic about it, but certainly far from being an addict. If he is an addict, he would have easily lost his fortune and be put into rehab. Fortunately, he has a lot of assets and investments working for his personal wealth that saves him from succumbing to gambling completely. I would say that being a high roller doesn't necessarily mean you're addicted. It just means that you have the money to fund your activities that other people without the financial capacity think is irresponsible. They don't understand why you spend so much because they were never in a position to use that much money anyways.
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December 20, 2023, 08:33:00 PM |
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He takes care of his family, far from broke and gambling brings him entertainment.. so my question, would MJ be considered an addict? I argue he's not. He just loves to do it, but any negative effects may be literally zero ..
I like the fact that this paragraph explains it all for itself. Addicted gamblers I think would never have such time for all these you have listed here. He sees gambling as entertainment and that alone tells you that he gambles for fun and not for profit or to make an earns meet. He is a billionaire in dollars and as such has nothing to worry about when it comes to money matters. I believe his gambling budget is nothing to him based on his personality but to others it is something that could change their lives of opportuned to get.
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December 20, 2023, 08:34:22 PM |
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I was recently arguing with someone whom stated that MJ is a gambling addict, and I pushed back. I think we could probably all agree that being addicted to anything is never good, no matter what it is. Michael is famous for being a big gambler. However, it's not like that's the only thing he does in life. He's a billionaire with many companies and countless things to do each day. Gambling doesn't effect those important things in life.
He takes care of his family, far from broke and gambling brings him entertainment.. so my question, would MJ be considered an addict? I argue he's not. He just loves to do it, but any negative effects may be literally zero ..
(sorry hilarious and cyrus, I know you see this same type of topic a trillion times a day but this is bit different and something I'm truly interested in discussing, being his situation is unique).
Was this somehow connected to the stake he sold for his team at Hornets? Well, he made a ton of profit on that and I applaud him for being a good investor. I think he's the definition of the gambler who knows his limits and probably was more cautious than any gambler that I could have seen. I think it was explained before especially on his movies that he just loves competition on whatever he's venturing.
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December 20, 2023, 08:36:43 PM |
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I was recently arguing with someone whom stated that MJ is a gambling addict, and I pushed back. I think we could probably all agree that being addicted to anything is never good, no matter what it is. Michael is famous for being a big gambler. However, it's not like that's the only thing he does in life. He's a billionaire with many companies and countless things to do each day. Gambling doesn't effect those important things in life.
He takes care of his family, far from broke and gambling brings him entertainment.. so my question, would MJ be considered an addict? I argue he's not. He just loves to do it, but any negative effects may be literally zero ..
Wiki Definition "Addiction is a neuropsychological disorder characterized by a persistent and intense urge to use a drug or engage in a behaviour that produces natural reward, despite substantial harm and other negative consequences.
Base on the definition you Just gave above, and considering the fact that Michael Jordan is a self made billionaire who owns several companies, for me, I can not regard his constant engagement in staking huge sum in gambling as an addict, because inasmuch as he is gambling an amount he can always afford to lose at each moment, he is literally a high stake and not an addict. Because from the definition made above, a gambling addict is someone who is suffering from a persistent uncontrollable disorder to gamble at all cost, not minding if is the fund available or not.
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December 20, 2023, 08:40:20 PM |
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I think we could probably all agree that being addicted to anything is never good, no matter what it is.
Getting addicted to being successful is not such a bad thing. He takes care of his family, far from broke and gambling brings him entertainment.. so my question, would MJ be considered an addict? I argue he's not.
I would say that he is still an addict, because even though it has not had any negative effects on him and how he manages his family, and also his other activities, he has still not been able to control himself, and lack of control is the first attribute of an addict.
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