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December 24, 2023, 12:39:58 PM
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One thing I know about gamblers and its addicts is that there is the believe and zeal to win is always there. They are optimistic to win and that is why they another game for next round try and unfortunately winning is not given on a platter of gold so either they fail more or they are just within a fair luck here and there as we know the house edge override the possibility for a winning over losing. There is a believe to win and that is why the next game is queued up without recourse to loses, debt loans or emotional stability.

The fact that the chance is always there to win is what make most people coming back and especially gamblers following that win.They of course have a pathological optimism that brings them to the casino again despite several heavy losing sessions before and if they did not have it then it means they would be more practical and pragmatic to stop playing or coming back to play at the casino,they lack also analysis of what just happened to them as they pass it as something normal when in fact it is not normal to lose a lot of money yet they think in the next session they will recover that money which is what leads to them coming back and back asking for more until they get addicted,they are pretty readable,the gamblers.

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December 24, 2023, 12:45:29 PM
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OPTIMISM
it is a well-known aspect of pathological gamblers and has also been noted and cited in some scientific publications.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=gambler+optimism

but I believe that this is part of many addictions, especially in the initial phase... one feels invincible, optimistic despite having already entered the "abyss"...

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December 24, 2023, 01:16:09 PM
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Addiction is a disease and it is unlikely that a person will confess that they are sick and mention that the disease they have is an addiction to gambling, this is because first that person will need to pay for a consultation with a psychologist so that this psychologist can examine them and determine that he is addicted to gambling, the problem is that if that person has a job in which that person occupies a position that allows him to deal with money, then the psychologist will recommend that that person take a vacation from work to undergo treatment for his addiction and this implies that this person tells his boss at work that he is addicted, and how many companies will agree to employ people with a declared addiction?

The truth is that no one will give jobs to people addicted to gambling, which is why many people have chosen to hide their health status when they are diagnosed with gambling addiction. Treatment to cure addiction is not a simple, easy and cheap treatment. On the contrary, it is a very expensive treatment, which requires isolation and a lot of monitoring by specialists in the area of addiction cure. So all these factors make people not say anything, they prefer to remain silent about their health situation. What governments and non-governmental organizations have done to warn people about the dangers of gambling and to give tips on how people can gamble responsibly

They encourage people not to gamble with money they cannot afford to lose, they talk about the main symptoms that a person needs to be alert to when they have it, because it means that the person may be addicted to gambling. but it is important that people do not rush to the conclusion that they have become addicted to games just because they have the symptoms that are publicized, people will only know that they are addicted when a doctor examines them and declares that they are addicted and that they need treatment, there are many people who gamble with money that they cannot afford to lose, but they are not addicted to gambling

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December 24, 2023, 01:20:20 PM
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       I have repeatedly encountered the fact that the very concept of risk management is either unfamiliar to them or they do not attach enough serious importance to it.
I would highlight the following features:
1. Pathological optimism.
2. Lack of risk management.
3. The desire to understand some fundamental issues of the game (they talked about this themselves in interviews)
4. Love for the game process itself.
 What do you think are the features of the worldview of a gambler?
Everything you mentioned goes down to one thing they have activated dopamine that's the whole summary they just want to put logic on what they feel about gambling but it's all about the activity in the brain that releases dopamine

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When we have a gambling win, the brain releases a feel-good chemical called dopamine.

But when we gamble often, our brain gets used to the dopamine, which makes that winning feeling difficult to achieve. Consequently, we may have to gamble more and more to feel the same level of pleasure.
https://gamblershelp.com.au/learn-about-gambling/gambling-and-how-it-affects-the-brain/

All gamblers gamble with their emotions, they feel the roller coaster of everything, something they don't feel in other things that they do only in gambling,
when gamblers gamble they feel alive, they feel all the emotions, like excitement when they are chasing a loss, sadness when they are in the verge of losing everything, and satisfaction when they win a big amount.
Gamblers can give various reasons why they gamble but everything really depends on dopamine.

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December 24, 2023, 01:32:22 PM
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At the same time, many openly admit that they are gambling addicts. But they talk about it as a minor detail of their lives. They admit that they are gambling addicts, but this does not make them stop. They, as usual, strive to continue the game.
       I have repeatedly encountered the fact that the very concept of risk management is either unfamiliar to them or they do not attach enough serious importance to it.
Admitting to been gambling addict isn't a problem to some persons but their challenges has always been managing their addiction. Addiction management is the problem some gamblers face, some of them are addict's but are not moved to involving into unhealthy habits so as to fund their gambling habit but the others lack this self control.

The concept of risk management is been neglected by some gamblers most likely be they gamble for fun and not really with the aim of making money so they just risk as much as it appeals to their appetite but then some allow their risk appetite to grow too voracious such that they end up spending all their funds before they realize it. Risk management helps those who apply it to stay much longer in the game than they would have if they were just gambling without risk management and it also help them know how profitable they have been and probably quantify their profitability and loose.

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December 24, 2023, 01:45:57 PM
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As per your statement, those people who participated in the interview are irresponsible towards their finance management which is why they don't take losing their money as seriously despite having debts to pay back.

They pretend to be optimistic just because they don't want to accept reality and just live in the fantasy world of winning big and paying back every debt without doing any hard work.

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December 24, 2023, 02:08:33 PM
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You will rarely meet a drug addict who admits his drug addiction as a vice. They are all very optimistic, looking forward to getting the next dose, which will again make them happy. Is there a difference between drug use and gambling addiction? I have heard facts that, in the case of both drug addiction and gambling addiction, it is difficult to recover on your own. I think the phrase “there are no former drug addicts” is familiar to you. This means that there are no former gambling addicts until professionals take care of them.
And yes, pathological optimism can be called clinical stupidity.

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December 24, 2023, 02:41:13 PM
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What do you think are the features of the worldview of a gambler?
The view for someone who is involved in the world of gambling is very broad and numerous, not just the four concepts you mentioned, there are many other factors and differences for those who are addicted to gambling or what is said to be a hobby of gambling.

Most people who have experienced gambling disorders think that the things they face in gambling are very serious, sometimes they don't care if their savings or other costs are lost in gambling, to serious problems faced such as damaged personal and work relationships, this is often experienced by those who are addicted to gambling.

There are things that are most serious and even worse in the world of gambling, such as: thinking that the world of gambling is trivial, but they don't realize that gambling can make them addicted, just like for those who are involved in the world of drugs, That's another view that leads someone to gambling addiction.

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December 24, 2023, 02:47:58 PM
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1. Pathological optimism.

What we should call this type of optimism where a person is seeing and experiencing loses over and over again but his hope of gaining money and becoming rich does not end  Huh
Is this a sign of any disease of mental disorder, i do not know because i do not come across any such study where the medical personals can give any statement of this state of mind.

Unfortunately, gambling addiction is not considered a disease or a mental disorder and we only blame the gambler for not being responsible. Who knows that gambling addiction is a disease and it needs treatment to be cured just like other medical problems?

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December 24, 2023, 03:05:35 PM
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What do you think are the features of the worldview of a gambler?

Lack of risk management is pretty common in the world of gambling that’s why many people become gambling addict. Many gamblers ignore the risk and keep on betting because they are optimistic to hit jackpot to have a one time big time profit. This is why addicts never pay attention on risk even though house edge is already listed all over the games itself which means casino advantage.

A decent gambler will know their limits since they will have proper risk management. People should rather invest their money instead of gambling if their aim is to get huge profit out of gambling since gambling games is brutal when you chase both profit and loss.

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1. Pathological optimism.
Optimism itself ain't the enemy when it comes to gambling. It's like salt in a dish – a little can enhance the flavor, but too much can ruin the whole meal. The key, lies in understanding the nature of the beast – the house edge, that pesky little gremlin that always takes a bite out of your winnings.

For some folks, that knowledge is enough to keep things in check. They see it as a cost of entry, a toll on the road to a good time. They gamble with money they can afford to lose, and even if they don't walk away dripping in gold, they get the thrill of the chase, the camaraderie of the casino floor, the escape from the everyday grind.

But for others, that understanding can be a double-edged sword. It can fuel the fire of that "pathological optimism" you mentioned, that little voice whispering, "Just one more spin, the odds are bound to change!" The house edge becomes a hurdle, not a deterrent, and the pursuit of defying it becomes a dangerous obsession.

That's where the true danger lies – not in the optimism itself, but in the disconnect from reality, the inability to accept the inherent disadvantage of the game. It's like playing with loaded dice, expecting to roll sixes every time. The thrill becomes desperation, the camaraderie turns into isolation, and the escape becomes a prison.

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Apart from being unable to control their emotions and finances, gambling addicts tend to increase the frequency of their playing, even though they know the consequences if they continue gambling. They continue to gamble, even though they are experiencing financial problems, because they think that gambling can solve everything, including financial problems.

And to find out the characteristics of someone who is addicted to gambling, those who are addicted to gambling tend to experience quite significant changes, both in their attitudes and behavior. For example, initially a person is quite patient and becomes someone who is emotional and easily irritated. And initially the person is quite productive and professional, but after he gets to know gambling and gets caught up in it, the person becomes someone who is lazy and performs poorly, and often loses focused because all he had in mind was gambling.

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I watched videos about gambling addicts, in which the channel’s hosts interviewed them. I was amazed at how many of them were pathological optimists. More precisely, it’s hard for me to use the word optimism in conjunction with the word pathological, but still. Any loss for them is just a short-term nuisance. Optimism takes over and they play again and again, not paying attention to loans and debts.

Gamblers are defensive they do not want to take pity from people, many of them are intelligent in addressing their behavior, they are optimistic because that's their reason to continue gambling.

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      At the same time, many openly admit that they are gambling addicts. But they talk about it as a minor detail of their lives. They admit that they are gambling addicts, but this does not make them stop. They, as usual, strive to continue the game.
       I have repeatedly encountered the fact that the very concept of risk management is either unfamiliar to them or they do not attach enough serious importance to it.
If they want to make a big issue of their addiction, it's like they want help and they want to get out from their addiction, compulsive gamblers will not do that they will always downplay their addiction they treat it as normal, they think that addiction is ordinary and nothing to cause an alarm, a gambler who wants to get out from addiction will usually reach out and will make an issue on their addiction, if a gambler is not doing that, they want to continue to play.

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December 24, 2023, 05:27:01 PM
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2. Lack of risk management.
It is true that a lack of risk management can make someone addicted to gambling because they are used to gambling brutally. Most people don't see the risks they have to face when gambling, even though it is very important to limit themselves. Managing their financial expenses and also gambling is very good as a self-limiter so they don't get addicted to gambling. and playing beyond the limits of a normal gambler

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One thing I know about gamblers and its addicts is that there is the believe and zeal to win is always there. They are optimistic to win and that is why they another game for next round try and unfortunately winning is not given on a platter of gold so either they fail more or they are just within a fair luck here and there as we know the house edge override the possibility for a winning over losing. There is a believe to win and that is why the next game is queued up without recourse to loses, debt loans or emotional stability.

The fact that the chance is always there to win is what make most people coming back and especially gamblers following that win.They of course have a pathological optimism that brings them to the casino again despite several heavy losing sessions before and if they did not have it then it means they would be more practical and pragmatic to stop playing or coming back to play at the casino,they lack also analysis of what just happened to them as they pass it as something normal when in fact it is not normal to lose a lot of money yet they think in the next session they will recover that money which is what leads to them coming back and back asking for more until they get addicted,they are pretty readable,the gamblers.

Yes and in this light one would wonder if optimism is used in the right sense by gambling addicts or that they are miss using it and allowing it to work on them wrongly because when you see that you have lost 1,2,3 and more times but you decide to be positively optimistic to stay and keep trying on it, on what the basis is luck.

Optimistic is suppose to be used for what you can have little or some control and then you add or strengthen your effort to make it work. For example if you have failed in an example and you know you didn't prepare very well for the exam, hence you can be optimistic to pass next time because you know you had no effort in the first time and that if you strengthen your effort the next time then you are likely to pass but gambling is not that way because the effort is not on your on influence or control and this is why addicts keep going deep as optimistic gamblers.

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Too much optimism is bad and if it's applied in gambling, you're going to be putting yourself in a much clearer space that no matter what you do as long as you're gambling then no one's will ever gonna stop you. And that's gonna result into a bad situation that you'll never like but can we stop them? As I've said, it's a clear space, a clear thing that no one's going to stop them from taking loans/debts and will use the money from there to gamble. Only themselves can stop their own point of view when the things don't go accordingly over their optimistic minds. There is always a limitation for everything and these gamblers will eventually realize that but only when it's too late.

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Too much optimism is bad and if it's applied in gambling, you're going to be putting yourself in a much clearer space that no matter what you do as long as you're gambling then no one's will ever gonna stop you. And that's gonna result into a bad situation that you'll never like but can we stop them? As I've said, it's a clear space, a clear thing that no one's going to stop them from taking loans/debts and will use the money from there to gamble. Only themselves can stop their own point of view when the things don't go accordingly over their optimistic minds. There is always a limitation for everything and these gamblers will eventually realize that but only when it's too late.

What is clear is that too much is not good, it's addictive. This affects the brain and way of thinking, an addict will not care about what he will do, what the results will be, no matter how bad it is. If left unchecked, it will be very dangerous, possibly threatening the economy, selling the house and other valuables, getting into debt and even stealing.

It's true that you say it all depends on self-control, maybe a feeling of regret can provide enlightenment and encouragement to stop things from getting worse.
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I watched videos about gambling addicts, in which the channel’s hosts interviewed them. I was amazed at how many of them were pathological optimists. More precisely, it’s hard for me to use the word optimism in conjunction with the word pathological, but still. Any loss for them is just a short-term nuisance. Optimism takes over and they play again and again, not paying attention to loans and debts.

When I chatted with many gambling addicts or analyzed their personalities I saw that they didn't have a mindset other than optimism. In fact, due to the lack of a different mindset during the addiction process and constantly thinking positively, gambling addiction is triggered and these people gamble more. Generally, the factor that causes people who have recovered from gambling addiction to get out of this mindset is awareness. When a person becomes aware of his/her gambling addiction and the fact that he/she constantly loses money in gambling, he/she gets rid of his/her optimistic thoughts and realizes that this addiction is actually a bad thing and that he/she will not earn a regular income by gambling. In this case, if the person takes a step to get rid of gambling addiction and can stay away from gambling by controlling his/her own emotions he/she can completely get rid of gambling addiction over time.

In summary, it is possible to say that individuals addicted to gambling can't get rid of their gambling addiction because they think optimistically and after gaining awareness of this they get rid of their gambling addiction over a period of time. As someone who has previously experienced gambling addiction and then overcome it, I state these thoughts with confidence.
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I agree that you must have certain features of character to become a gambling addict. Most people never do because they're more down to earth. Gamblers are usually, as they say, walking with their head in the clouds. They're optimists, they're dreamers, they're the types that like to project the outcome before it happens, like to think of the future, and have high ambitions. They have $100 in their pockets but act and think like someone with a thousand.
Unfortunately there's almost no way to save a certain type of gambler. If you stop him from betting too much in one place, he'll find a way to lose the money somehow by betting in a bar over some stupid trick, or a game of pool. I know blokes like that in person.
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What do you think are the features of the worldview of a gambler?
Gamblers in general or the addicted ones you are talking about? The worldview each category of gambler has is different from others. A casual gambler who plays responsively will view gambling an a hobby or distraction from daily stress and tasks, while an addicted gambler will dedicate a long time or his whole time to gambling activity, as it were the exclusive purpose of his life. Actually, the worldview addicted gamblers have towards this activity might be quite complex to be understood.

In some cases it must be a relation of love and hate: at same time they love and get excited gambling, they also hate it because they can't stop playing and even though they live in alienated states of mind to afford such disfunctional routine, they have some lucidity moments where they take conscience how harmful gambling is being for them, so they get angry and mad on it.

Anyway, it's never too late to change oneself's view on gambling. We are always able to resignify meanings in our life. Worldviews are moldable and must be done in a way it becomes more healthy and functional as possible. The first step is to wish a change, to evolve, to progress. Once it happens, it's totally possible for such gamblers to adopt a rational stance towards gambling through professional help and treatment, which pass across changing the worldviews they have over gambling.

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