Should mentally unstable people be allowed to gamble?

[Mauser]

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

Yes definitely, at least morally and ethically the casinos has a duty to protect their customers. There is a big difference between someone willingly gambling with all his savings and someone having a psychotic episode and acts irresponsible. There is so much supervision at the casino to protect them from theft and cheating, that they should realise quickly if a customer has a medical or psychological condition. There are a lot of studies taken into considerion of human behavior to try and detect things like card counting quickly. Which is why casinos have ways to detect customers acting strange. It's also a security risk for other customers as psychotic episode could turn violent quickly if there are more trigger events.

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[summonerrk]

People generally enter gambling out of curiosity. However, some people who are mentally disturbed by gambling become more addicted to gambling and drugs. People in my area who are in family turmoil and always addicted to drugs are mostly physically visiting offline gambling dens. But it is quite curious that some people fall into the circle of friends and become addicted to gambling. However, if we consider the number of people who are addicted to gambling, gambling addiction is usually more from the family which had a gambler addicted to gambling in the past.

I don't even imagine what gross mistakes in money management a player can make while under drugs. I have heard many times about players who drank alcohol and as a result lost all their money, after which they borrowed the maximum amount that friends and acquaintances could give him, after which he lost all this. I understand that this is a great emotional release for someone, but such fun is so expensive that you can even lose your apartment. So if you play at the casino, then only with a clear mind.

[piebeyb]

The people that are financially responsible for such people can limit their use by budgeting and asking for bills but if the person is financially independent and has no legal obligation, we can't just restrict them for using their money anyway they want.

Yes, everyone has the right to gamble even if he is mentally unstable or homeless, after all we do not have the right to prohibit it, let alone regulate it, although we can give him advice, but still, if he is used to doing it as a habit, it will certainly be difficult to stop. Look at how the officer didn't stop him, that doesn't mean the officer never gave him advice, but it seems he still gambled at the gambling house.

If he is used to it and is good at managing his finances well because he often visits gambling houses, it is certain that he is an addicted gambler so it is difficult to stop him. Moreover, we cannot limit him as long as he doesn't really create chaos in the gambling house. There is nothing wrong with that, in fact we are the ones who it was wrong to stop him and he had the right to choose whether to gamble or not.

[angrybirdy]

Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

If you see a person who is not well-dressed and looks good, do you need to be judged him quickly as mentally unstable? We have no right to judge a person based on physical appearance. As you heard from the attendant, He's a regular customer and he never shown any behavior as unpleasantly as you think. I think there's nothing wrong for him to go and play in a bet shop, most especially that he never did anything wrong from the start.

[Kelward]

I think that mental health challenges has different levels, because I've heard some mentally challenged people talk sensibly and keep out of trouble , and I've always wondered that if a person like this can talk sense and behave well then why is he looking so dirty and unkempt. So the way I see it if a mentally unstable person enters a bet shop and behaves himself, places his bet and leaves, then that shouldn't be a problem, it shows that he still has his behavioral sanity in place. Personally I wouldn't encourage such a person to gamble, but bet shops wouldn't care about conditions so far the customer has money to pay.

Family and friends of such mentally unstable people like the one in discussion should make sure that they get psychiatrist help before they might reach an uncontrollable level of insanity. Depression, drug abuse, medical conditions can make a person to lose parts of their sanity, so I believe that it's help that people like that needs.

[redsun114]

First things first, you can't judge a book by its cover, so just because someone's physical appearance isn't so good, it doesn't mean that they are mentally unstable or anything unless you have other evidence of them being that way which isn't the case from what I've read in your thread since even the attendant said that he has never misbehaved or said anything that would indicate that he is mentally unstable or unsound. So, that remark doesn't sound logical to me.

That being said, if there is such a rule, it should only be applicable if the person doesn't know what they are doing and it should be evident from their behaviour. You said the guy made his bets in a very coordinated manner which means that he was pretty sound and knew what he was doing. So, I don't think that the betting attendant can refuse their money and say they can't allow them to gamble when they are sound about what they are doing.

[Blitzboy]

From the OP's story, the person only wanted to gamble and didn't want to cause any trouble, so the officers felt safe as long as the person was gambling with their own money. Moreover, there are no rules whatsoever that prohibit someone in shabby clothes from coming to an offline casino, it's just that it might make you uncomfortable other people see it. In my opinion, not everyone who dresses shabbily is someone who has a mental disorder and it could be that this person is a gambler who is addicted so he doesn't have time to take care of his clothes and take care of his cleanliness, he is just trying to get money to continue gambling, hoping that one day he will get lucky the big one.

If someone is clearly seen having a mental disorder and is causing trouble, officers will definitely take action and try to evict the person, because it is impossible for workers at the casino to just watch a person with a mental disorder enter the casino, which will make the customers uncomfortable. So in conclusion, as long as the gambler still has enough money just to gamble, I don't think it's a big problem, after all it will increase the profits of the casino itself.

Yes, that means the casino can accept someone in shabby clothes to come and gamble in the casino. Based on what has been said, the guy didn't make a scene in his casino, so the officers didn't mind if he gambled. Moreover, after gambling, he will leave the casino straight away without making a fuss about other people who are also in the casino and gambling. Unless the person often disturbs other players and makes a fuss, perhaps the officers will no longer allow him to gamble at the casino. Not all people who dress shabbily indeed have mental disorders because there could be people who dress shabbily. But he turns out to be a millionaire who gambles and doesn't want anyone to recognize him in gambling so he decides to dress shabbily. The important thing is that everything will be fine if the person doesn't disturb other players.

The officers at the casino must have recognized the people who were their regular customers because that was their job. And I think there are even people who dress neatly but often disturb people who are gambling and the officers have to be firm with them and will not allow them to return to gambling at the casino. Anyone can come to the casino as long as they are old enough to gamble and not disturb other people. The officers who work at the casino look after this because they also want to avoid any problems while they work there.

Its shallow to determine a gambler's worth or intentions by their clothes. Although behaviour matters more than clothes, the casino's non-discriminatory attire code is admirable. Here, society's distorted reliance on appearances is evident.

Officers are essential to a healthy gambling environment. They must be vigilant for unruly customers regardless of outfit. Conduct matters, not clothes. As someone familiar with gaming dynamics, I think this approach is vital to a courteous, fun gambling environment.

Finally, the idea that shabby-dressed people could be wealthy defies prejudices. Remember that appearances can be deceiving, so never underestimate anybody solely on their appearance. This perspective enhances our awareness of human variation and life's unpredictability.

[Jody.Drummer]

Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

If you see a person who is not well-dressed and looks good, do you need to be judged him quickly as mentally unstable? We have no right to judge a person based on physical appearance. As you heard from the attendant, He's a regular customer and he never shown any behavior as unpleasantly as you think. I think there's nothing wrong for him to go and play in a bet shop, most especially that he never did anything wrong from the start.

That's true, as you said that we can't if we only judge someone in terms of their appearance, because sometimes there are a lot of speculations and assumptions that don't match the facts, or that means they look bad or shabby but actually have a good personality and behavior and on the other hand sometimes the opposite is true, there are those who look good wearing a jaz with a tie but have very bad behavior or nature and often harm others, for that problem it is true. But on the other hand the casino is a place that is often visited by many visitors, although the officers never judge someone in terms of appearance but I think if there are people who have that appearance there is nothing wrong if the officers suspect them, because as we know in general the appearance of slums is always synonymous with crazy people or having mental disorders as we often see on the outskirts of the road.

So it is natural in my opinion if the officers are suspicious because obviously if the suspicion is correct in the sense that they are people who have mental disorders then obviously it will have the possibility or potential to disturb the comfort of other visitors in the casino, but on the other hand in the case said by the OP the person did not have any problems since he came there and always obeyed the rules like normal visitors, that's good and no problem but in my opinion if there are people we have just seen and look like that then it doesn't hurt to be suspicious and put on alert.

[lienfaye]

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

Is the way a person dress the basis if he's mentally unstable or not? Because as long as the person is behaving fine I don't think dressing shabbily is an issue (even his appearance is not as presentable as others). In op's story, the gambler act normally. It's just that, those seeing this guy might question his mental condition due to his physical appearance.

Anyway, observing is not enough to bar a person from gambling, it should be proven that he has a mental condition. That's the time they can apply whatever rules they have to protect their business to any violation for letting someone play even he's not in his right mind.

[khiholangkang]

Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

of course with the answer yes, that a person who is mentally unstable can gamble, because there are no rules that limit such things in any casino as far as I know, and I think that his mentality is not so severe that he can still behave well and not do negative things both in the gambling environment and his place of activity, so I think why the guard allowed the person to gamble because he knew that the person was not dangerous for the casino or other customers in the casino. And it can be seen that the person is only mentally affected not chronically which can make his logic completely dead.

But morally, I don't see that having to see that person going in and out of gambling every week to do gambling without having any winnings, so that it's like there is no other purpose in life, if it's me, I think it's better to hold it and treat it.

[robelneo]

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

It is hard to figure out what's unstable gambler looks like I have seen gamblers who look and dress like a professional but have unstable judgment when it comes to gambling I have seen gamblers like those in your description who have good behavior like in your description, it is unfair to judge based on they look, they want to be unkempt so who are to judge these people, as long as they have good behavior and are not insulting or hurting anyone in the vicinity.
We should not discriminate against these people, gambling, and betting are for everyone and all walks of life.
The gambling operator will be happy to accept their bets it's the same money coming in from the other bettors.

[Kelvinid]

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

What does it actually you mean about mentally unstable OP?
As long as a gambler never goes against the rules or something he can still place his bets rightly, it is okay. In fact, the person who pointed out has never been violent so there is no reason he should be banned from playing, and who knows, with the help of gambling his condition never gets worse. Gambling welcomes everyone, if you have money and you know how to gamble, well, you can play.

The casino owners see that the person wants to play despite his condition which gives him happiness. Why we should not let it happen?

[Unbunplease]

It is hard to figure out what's unstable gambler looks like I have seen gamblers who look and dress like a professional but have unstable judgment when it comes to gambling I have seen gamblers like those in your description who have good behavior like in your description, it is unfair to judge based on they look, they want to be unkempt so who are to judge these people, as long as they have good behavior and are not insulting or hurting anyone in the vicinity.
We should not discriminate against these people, gambling, and betting are for everyone and all walks of life.
The gambling operator will be happy to accept their bets it's the same money coming in from the other bettors.

Appearance has no bearing on luck or ability to bet. The main thing is whether a person has the necessary financial and psychological capabilities. And one can engage in online betting without any clothes at all - because who will see? And if a person went to the casino and passed the dress code, he looks a priori respectable regardless of the opinion of the district

[Jegileman]

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

With what you’ve explained in your post, this person is not mentally unstable but he is just a lazy person that can take good care of himself or someone experiencing poverty. If he keeps coming again and again without causing any trouble, I think the person is sound as well just like any other person coming in to place the bet.

My question now is, should poor people relent on gambling to help support and fend for themselves and family or not even try it at all because of the risk involved?

[Shishir99]

I don't even imagine what gross mistakes in money management a player can make while under drugs. I have heard many times about players who drank alcohol and as a result lost all their money, after which they borrowed the maximum amount that friends and acquaintances could give him, after which he lost all this. I understand that this is a great emotional release for someone, but such fun is so expensive that you can even lose your apartment. So if you play at the casino, then only with a clear mind.

These are a common thing that often happens in real-life casinos. Did you notice that almost every casino has a bar? They serve beer and other drinks to players and they take it happily? Even if a player is winning, they never should take these drinks even if they are used to taking these drinks. These drinks make them drunk and then they lose control over themself, which leads them to make the wrong decision.

You never know what is going to happen in a casino. Your closest friend could rob you there and have fun. After losing a big amount and then realizing how much they have lost, it's not hard for a person to have a brain stroke that could make them mentally unstable.

[uneng]

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

There is always an ethical obligation which should be followed, but not everyone is ethical in life.

Moral obligation will depend on what the morals of the society where you are inserted are. If the morals of your community dictate it's wrong to let mentally unstable people who are clearly suffering from mental issues to gamble, then there is a moral obligation involved as well to not let that man go ahead, while guiding him to support where he can be treated and cared accordingly to his currently needs. It's not normal someone to be ragged gambling around, even though he isn't creating any messes for the gambling shop.

Legal obligation will also depend on the local set of laws and rules of your society. That is the kind of research you have to do regards your local country specifically or ask a professional from the judiciary system for accurate answers. In my country there are legal obligations to be followed in this case, not exactly by the shop owner, but by the government, and social assistance would be immediately triggered to talk and investigate the life of this individual: who he is, where he lives, where his family is, if he suffers from mental illness and so on...

[Accardo]

Not everyone who is well-dressed is mentally stable. Some addicts are mentally unstable, without noticing it, despite being well-kept and feeling in control of their actions. The man in your story is not causing any trouble to anybody in the gambling house, he is only not well dressed. Which is not anybody's business, provided that the gambling attendant is comfortable with him, no problem.

It is not only about the gambling agent but also about the other people that are gambling there. There is no problem if other people are not complaining about him. Not to be well dressed in public can make some people to know that he is mentally unstable and not like to go to the gambling place because of that but they will complain before not going. I think it is a betting agent place and it will not take more than 2 minutes that the mentally unstable person will spend to place bets and that gives him advantage.

Secondly, he's not begging for money or aggressively disturbing his parents for gambling funds, like many other gambling addicts who suffer mental disorders do to their loved ones. He's doing his job and maybe may have been conditioned the way he looks due to the kind of work he does.

He has no job. People are using his condition to give him money.

I don't know if you're aware of the person Op is describing in his thread, but from what I read which led to my response, Op said he does a manual job. I'm not in Op's location nor do I know the man, so not in the right place to push further with your response, which says he has no job. However, he doesn't have a job, I mean continuing from your response, I have things to add. A beggar that uses his money to gamble, I think is deceiving the society or not in deep need to be a beggar. For a person to beg, he has nothing, no food, no family to provide for him, etc. It's not common to find a beggar who uses charity from others to gamble, maybe he's not comfortable with what the people are giving him or is turning begging into a full-time job. People who are worried about the dressing of another person in a specific environment don't understand the differences in people.

Personally, looks and dress shouldn't bother people. Their business there is to book games and go, and if they're not comfortable with the type of people visiting the gaming house they can stop going as you said. Which shouldn't be a problem for the agent. The customers there must find a fault, regardless. Finding a fault from another customer as a reason to stop patronizing the agent should also be tagged a personal problem or lack of emotional intelligence provided the customer isn't aggressive, fighting, or destroying their property. What matters is the serenity of the environment. How would you feel if in a barber shop, you walked in and found the same man being barbed in the same seat you'd sit next to Barb, would you leave the environment or not? I'm asking this to be able to understand your behavior toward such people, not just about what other people would do or say. I'm not sure if you are close to Op or have seen the man in his story.

[madnessteat]

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It seems to me that when it comes to making money, no one cares how you dress, how mentally healthy you are, or what your financial situation is. In my opinion, if you pay attention to the mental state of every client, you simply will not be able to make money. In my opinion, this is the harsh conditions of business, where if you show weakness, your place will be taken by competitors very quickly.

[Asuspawer09]

Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

I mean that was just a normal kind of guy in the casino right? For the most part a lot of people playing a lot in the casino have that kind of mindset and just want to gamble and gamble daily and doesnt really care about where they are going to get the money if they lose it that time. I mean if you are concerned about unstable people for sure they wouldn't be allowed to go outside if they have some kind of unstable mind, you just judge that guy from his appearance but maybe that's just the way he is.

Whatever it is that you are concerned about the casino can handle it, most casinos have a lot of rules so if he did something against that rule he is for sure going to be banned from that establishment or probably gonna go to jail if did get violent on some cases just because he was losing money. But probably people that weren't good at decision-making were the people this casino wanted to play so that they could easily get hooked by gambling.

[len01]

the question is why would someone build a gambling business?
well, to this question there is an answer if it is about income. I mean gambling is built to make a profit and as long as someone who enters the casino does not do evil or disturb other gamblers and is also able to pay for his own gambling it is not a problem.
because I understand that all of that is a risk for the person even though he is mentally or physically unstable but if he knows the etiquette like entering a casino you have to pay and he also spends money on his gambling that's normal for me as long as it doesn't make him worse it seems like that does not matter.

but logically, we as sane people would definitely have the idea that the man was actually not allowed to gamble because mentally it was very pitiful, but however, as long as there are no rules, the casino has the right to allow anyone to gamble as long as they use money they can afford to lose.