Should mentally unstable people be allowed to gamble?

[noormcs5]

that's right, especially if you just glance at the way they dress. of course it feels unethical. as long as he brings money and does not disturb other players I think it's okay to play gambling at the casino. especially if you see someone's character is different from one another.

Ideally, if the person is mentally disordered he or she should not go to casino and should not gamble, as he is not in the right frame of mind and therefore he can lose money when he is not fit to use his brain. If he insists on gambling, then it becomes the responsibility of his near and dear ones to stop him from gambling and the best way to do so is to restrict him from gaining access to the money. I assume that since he is a mentally disorder person, therefore we may not be in a position to do any job and earn money.

(If he is earning money through any means, it would mean that he is not a mentally retarded person).

[darkangel11]

And who is to say if a person is fit to gamble or not? You? The casino manager? Are they going to hire a psychiatrist to decide? How are they going to make someone undergo examination? There's no law saying they have to agree to it (at least in the countries that I know). IMO trying to ban such people is pointless because they'll go to your competition and eventually to an online casino.
The law is fain regarding this. If a person is deemed unfit by the court, they're going to be banned, but for that either the family has to file a motion, or he has to get arrested by the police for unlawful behavior, so if he's calm, the casino would have to provoke him somehow to get him to become violent.

I believe it would be possible. In developed countries there are complete databases which hold information on the people who have gone through mental institutions, for example. It would be matter for those basa bases to the shared with the staff of the casino and uploading the information in real time. Though, there would be still serious problems in that hypothetical system: people may feel their privacy and their rights are being violated by the government and the casino and also, that system would not stop someone from engaging with gambling in other unregulated markets... They could still gamble or bet with their friends or family, or even with strangers who could meet in secret places to bet on fights or races.

It would not take the casinos to hire extra staff to evaluate anyone,.to be honest, the government could provide all what is needed, though, I would continue to believe it would not be effective.

A person who was released from a mental institution should be healthy and fit to interact with the society, which also includes gambling. In many countries going through person's medical records is not allowed and you can't ban them from entering a casino or something because they used to be incarcerated, held in a mental institution, or are currently being treated.
If they started having access to a medical database, what's stopping them from banning you from the casino because you have HIV, or something. We'd come to a point where stores would put up signs that they don't serve people who once had a mental breakdown, or epilepsy...

It's not that people MAY feel their rights are being violated. If that happens, they are being violated, that's a fact, which makes it impossible to instate in freedom oriented countries. Maybe China will one day do something like that, they're known for crazy ideas and privacy means nothing there.

[Quidat]

that's right, especially if you just glance at the way they dress. of course it feels unethical. as long as he brings money and does not disturb other players I think it's okay to play gambling at the casino. especially if you see someone's character is different from one another.

Ideally, if the person is mentally disordered he or she should not go to casino and should not gamble, as he is not in the right frame of mind and therefore he can lose money when he is not fit to use his brain. If he insists on gambling, then it becomes the responsibility of his near and dear ones to stop him from gambling and the best way to do so is to restrict him from gaining access to the money. I assume that since he is a mentally disorder person, therefore we may not be in a position to do any job and earn money.

(If he is earning money through any means, it would mean that he is not a mentally retarded person).

For those platforms or physical places, then how they would be able to determine out on which a certain person does have that kind of defect on the time that they would enter on such vicinity?

There's no way that you could be able to spot it out as a security personnel but it would be that depending on the gestures or actions made but if there's nothing wrong on how someone do
really be having then i dont see that prohibitions would be strictly be applied even into those kind of hunches about behavior problems.
Anyone is really to gamble and it is really just that right that they would really be able to play as long they do have the money that they could make use of. When it comes to unstable
kind of condition of someone then it would really be just that possible that they would be stopped or get kicked out if they are really that able to affect someone on the venue
or simply having those kind of actions on which its not really that something right to do so.

[Accardo]

that's right, especially if you just glance at the way they dress. of course it feels unethical. as long as he brings money and does not disturb other players I think it's okay to play gambling at the casino. especially if you see someone's character is different from one another.

Ideally, if the person is mentally disordered he or she should not go to casino and should not gamble, as he is not in the right frame of mind and therefore he can lose money when he is not fit to use his brain. If he insists on gambling, then it becomes the responsibility of his near and dear ones to stop him from gambling and the best way to do so is to restrict him from gaining access to the money. I assume that since he is a mentally disorder person, therefore we may not be in a position to do any job and earn money.

(If he is earning money through any means, it would mean that he is not a mentally retarded person).

Mental disordered people have different problems and not all of them won't be able to perform a job. Although in your last line Noormcs5, indeed, a mentally retarded person can't work and won't be in the gambling house. If he does should not be allowed by the families. The actions or moves to take wouldn't be same for each person. Only few humans are completely, 100%, mentally stable. Today's world consists of too many troubles that the newer generation may not adapt easily. In the sense that the person doesn't comply by the rules of the casino, can be pushed away in the casino. It'll be hard to detect a mentally disordered person than a retarded person. The later should be removed in the casino, as it's not conducive to have them around people who are working strides ahead to stabilize the mental health of themselves and their family.

[Betwrong]

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If he look at it as his good past time then better to let him, if there's no harm after playing and if he keeps doing the same after gaming then allowing him to enjoy is not going to wreck your business, but again, if he starts to show up breaking out and control is no longer capable then that's the time that he needed not to be allow inside that casino, it can bring fear to other people who are also gaming around him.

It's a business concern that matters, and a case to case situation which is really hard to answer, it's up to the owner if what he implement for such kind of behavioral issue.

Most people prefer to not be disturbed and so they wouldn't be happy with such a person playing near to them. But if there's a possibility of private rooms for such people maybe that would be the answer. You know, playing in a casino can have a good therapeutic effect and if $50 is lost to slots but you feel better than after going to psychotherapist and it cost less, maybe it's worth it.

[South Park]

And who is to say if a person is fit to gamble or not? You? The casino manager? Are they going to hire a psychiatrist to decide? How are they going to make someone undergo examination? There's no law saying they have to agree to it (at least in the countries that I know). IMO trying to ban such people is pointless because they'll go to your competition and eventually to an online casino.
The law is fain regarding this. If a person is deemed unfit by the court, they're going to be banned, but for that either the family has to file a motion, or he has to get arrested by the police for unlawful behavior, so if he's calm, the casino would have to provoke him somehow to get him to become violent.

And that is the issue with all of this, we want to have products and services available to us all the time and we want this to happen as fast as possible, and yet many people also want for businesses to protect their customers from their own mistakes, introduce a bunch of regulations to make this a reality and force business owners to do something they never wanted to do, and we cannot have both, we must choose and personally I am fine with the current environment in which we can have almost anything we may want, and we are the ones that must restrain ourselves from any behavior that could damage us in some way or form.

[Iroh]

Ideally, if the person is mentally disordered he or she should not go to casino and should not gamble, as he is not in the right frame of mind and therefore he can lose money when he is not fit to use his brain. If he insists on gambling, then it becomes the responsibility of his near and dear ones to stop him from gambling and the best way to do so is to restrict him from gaining access to the money. I assume that since he is a mentally disorder person, therefore we may not be in a position to do any job and earn money.

(If he is earning money through any means, it would mean that he is not a mentally retarded person).

If he’s stable enough to earn some money and decides to gamble, he could as well be mentally stable enough to gamble and leave without bothering anyone or creating an incident.
Ideally, a mentally unstable individual should be under supervision and shouldn’t be allowed to do things or go out on his own. But if someone who is classified and diagnosed as mentally unstable by society behaves well enough that a gambling establishment think it’s fine and don’t mind collecting their money and allowing them to play, then I guess it’s fine. Until it’s not lol.

[Gormicsta]

According to law, there are unlikely to be any particular laws prohibiting someone from gambling unless they pose an obvious threat to themselves or others. However, this does not guarantee that it is the correct course of action. Finally, it is up to the person and the gaming facility to decide whether or not to allow someone to bet. Even then, it's difficult to determine if the choice is actually in the individual's best interests. It's a difficult question with no easy answers. However, many individuals may gamble for leisure purposes without any bad repercussions, however for certain people, gambling can be a devastating force in their life, and I believe we need to be mindful of this and prepared them if necessary.

[ethereumhunter]

According to law, there are unlikely to be any particular laws prohibiting someone from gambling unless they pose an obvious threat to themselves or others. However, this does not guarantee that it is the correct course of action. Finally, it is up to the person and the gaming facility to decide whether or not to allow someone to bet. Even then, it's difficult to determine if the choice is actually in the individual's best interests. It's a difficult question with no easy answers. However, many individuals may gamble for leisure purposes without any bad repercussions, however for certain people, gambling can be a devastating force in their life, and I believe we need to be mindful of this and prepared them if necessary.

If someone have unstable mental, he must not playing gambling because that can makes him can't thinks clear about what's he will do. He will use gambling like the other activities and makes himself deeper in gambling without thinks that playing gambling too often can mess his lives. Even if that person used gambling for leisure, that can makes him forget about everything, especially if he have unstable mental. That can gives bad repercussions to his lives because he will slowly lose his money and he can bankrupt if he still not realize about that. People who have mentally unstable should not allowed to playing gambling because there is a worry that they can ruin themselves because of playing gambling. They can playing gambling excessively without stopping themselves and that means they can lose everything without anyone can stops them except themselves.

[JMBitcointernational]

Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

I think you are sincerely guessing that the man is mentally unstable because if he appears dirty with shabby looks does not really make him mentally unstable, and from your observation you did not have any proof that he is mentally unstable. and he comes to a betting shop to place his bet that means that he is of sound mind because he knows what is doing and the owner of the betting shop interacts with him as pertains their business.  The only law that restricts people from gambling in any country where gambling is legalized is under age and talking about shabby or dirty looks it is left for the betting attendant or the owners of the betting shops to deal with that.

However, regarding your question, if mentally unstable people should gamble? in law of contracts they are not legally accepted to engage in any business with sane person but he or she can partake in a business when he or she is in lucid period. that is to say that the mentally unstable persons are only allowed to gamble when they are in lucid period.(when they can be able to communicate effectively without violence).

[Hirose UK]

that's right, especially if you just glance at the way they dress. of course it feels unethical. as long as he brings money and does not disturb other players I think it's okay to play gambling at the casino. especially if you see someone's character is different from one another.

Ideally, if the person is mentally disordered he or she should not go to casino and should not gamble, as he is not in the right frame of mind and therefore he can lose money when he is not fit to use his brain. If he insists on gambling, then it becomes the responsibility of his near and dear ones to stop him from gambling and the best way to do so is to restrict him from gaining access to the money. I assume that since he is a mentally disorder person, therefore we may not be in a position to do any job and earn money.

(If he is earning money through any means, it would mean that he is not a mentally retarded person).

Mental disordered people have different problems and not all of them won't be able to perform a job. Although in your last line Noormcs5, indeed, a mentally retarded person can't work and won't be in the gambling house. If he does should not be allowed by the families. The actions or moves to take wouldn't be same for each person. Only few humans are completely, 100%, mentally stable. Today's world consists of too many troubles that the newer generation may not adapt easily. In the sense that the person doesn't comply by the rules of the casino, can be pushed away in the casino. It'll be hard to detect a mentally disordered person than a retarded person. The later should be removed in the casino, as it's not conducive to have them around people who are working strides ahead to stabilize the mental health of themselves and their family.

But is it possible for person suffering from mental disorders to carry out gambling activities, they are in less than normal way of thinking and what they do is always beyond the limits of normal human reasoning.
Unlike people who are just depressed or mentally unstable, this has not yet reached state of insanity and people like this can still carry out various activities like normal people in general.
Only difference is temperament and emotional level, those who are mentally unstable or in depressed state really cannot be disturbed and they will tend to be alone.
If their personality used to be that of gambler, perhaps despite this condition they would still be able to gamble, it just that they would be relatively quiet.
I once found person like this in betting shop and it was very ridiculous because while he was in the betting shop he really avoided crowds and if someone else greeted him he looked gloomy or remained silent without word coming out of his mouth.
Most important thing is that as long as the people around you don't bother them then there won't be any problems because people like this won't show their emotions if they don't feel disturbed.

[nara1892]

This is why we should not see or look at someone only in terms of their appearance, because those with ties do not necessarily have a personality as good as people who look shabby, for example like the person described by the OP where he looks like a mentally disturbed person but in fact he really follows all the rules applied in physical casinos, and he also comes with his own money to bet and does not harm others at all.

So the point is not to look at someone's character and personality just in terms of appearance, because they might have a good personality and that's why we should respect each other. Another thing is to ascertain whether the person really has a mental disorder or not I think this is the business of the officers on guard and obviously however if indeed the person is indicated to have a mental disorder then gambling will not be allowed for them.

[Pandu Geddon]

This is why we should not see or look at someone only in terms of their appearance, because those with ties do not necessarily have a personality as good as people who look shabby, for example like the person described by the OP where he looks like a mentally disturbed person but in fact he really follows all the rules applied in physical casinos, and he also comes with his own money to bet and does not harm others at all.

So the point is not to look at someone's character and personality just in terms of appearance, because they might have a good personality and that's why we should respect each other. Another thing is to ascertain whether the person really has a mental disorder or not I think this is the business of the officers on guard and obviously however if indeed the person is indicated to have a mental disorder then gambling will not be allowed for them.

I think that the person in question who might have a mental disorder already regularly comes to the casino to bet and leaves everything to the casino organizers and doesn't make a fuss. This means that the person does not really have a mental disorder.
perhaps because the bad appearance he used annoyed some of the other gamblers. But those who are already customers of the casino, definitely know the habits of this shabby-looking person.

As long as it doesn't disturb the order of the casino, I'm sure the casino management and security won't be too concerned about the gambler.

[nara1892]

This is why we should not see or look at someone only in terms of their appearance, because those with ties do not necessarily have a personality as good as people who look shabby, for example like the person described by the OP where he looks like a mentally disturbed person but in fact he really follows all the rules applied in physical casinos, and he also comes with his own money to bet and does not harm others at all.

So the point is not to look at someone's character and personality just in terms of appearance, because they might have a good personality and that's why we should respect each other. Another thing is to ascertain whether the person really has a mental disorder or not I think this is the business of the officers on guard and obviously however if indeed the person is indicated to have a mental disorder then gambling will not be allowed for them.

I think that the person in question who might have a mental disorder already regularly comes to the casino to bet and leaves everything to the casino organizers and doesn't make a fuss. This means that the person does not really have a mental disorder.
perhaps because the bad appearance he used annoyed some of the other gamblers. But those who are already customers of the casino, definitely know the habits of this shabby-looking person.

As long as it doesn't disturb the order of the casino, I'm sure the casino management and security won't be too concerned about the gambler.

Right, and as the OP said where the person has been a regular there, and I think I'm pretty sure that the officers must have been quite surprised before when he just came to the casino, or I mean the officers must have initially seen the person in terms of appearance when he had not subscribed to the casino because of his appearance but maybe over time because there was absolutely no problem with his arrival then the trust of the officers finally allowed the person to return to gambling.

In the end, it is clear that if there is absolutely no problem or commotion caused by this person then obviously the casino must serve him like serving visitors in general because he came with his own money and gambled without disturbing the excitement of others.

[uneng]

In the end, it is clear that if there is absolutely no problem or commotion caused by this person then obviously the casino must serve him like serving visitors in general because he came with his own money and gambled without disturbing the excitement of others.

Yes, since he isn't causing trouble inside the environment, they allowed him to remain and to become a regular customer. However, if he is really mentally disabled, I think it's not right to let him walk around like that without any accompaniment by health agents or family members, because it can lead to incidents at some point and further physical prejudice to his image. Even though he is a peaceful man, maybe he is gambling with money he can't afford to lose, but due to his disability, he isn't totally aware about it and can't judge the situation properly.

So, he needs further assistance from a tutor, for an example, who could take care his money and use it to pay for basic expenses the man is currently neglecting, especially regards his physical appearance. This money should be used to take him to the barber shop, to buy new and clean clothes for him to wear, to pay for healthy food and so on.

[STT]

I've worked with people who have ongoing learning difficulties and they tend to be given a certain spending allowance for any activity and this keeps anything away from being a problem.

Depends also what kind of gamble we are talking, circus sideshows are a game that is often also a gamble.   I've seen at a fair the plinko triangle or pascals triangle as it was known to me via my maths studies and I would consider that fair to play for anyone even kids but its also a game at a casino too.

The main issue is the size of the bet and probably it should be just a fixed size bet for anyone who might otherwise take too much risk and misjudge their position easily.  Thats the part I would restrict for safety but people should always be allowed to play games imo.

   I would say it would be dollar size entry to any game, you cant get into too much trouble that way and its mostly about the game not this idea of get rich gambling.

[Accardo]

In the end, it is clear that if there is absolutely no problem or commotion caused by this person then obviously the casino must serve him like serving visitors in general because he came with his own money and gambled without disturbing the excitement of others.

Yes, since he isn't causing trouble inside the environment, they allowed him to remain and to become a regular customer. However, if he is really mentally disabled, I think it's not right to let him walk around like that without any accompaniment by health agents or family members, because it can lead to incidents at some point and further physical prejudice to his image. Even though he is a peaceful man, maybe he is gambling with money he can't afford to lose, but due to his disability, he isn't totally aware about it and can't judge the situation properly.

So, he needs further assistance from a tutor, for an example, who could take care his money and use it to pay for basic expenses the man is currently neglecting, especially regards his physical appearance. This money should be used to take him to the barber shop, to buy new and clean clothes for him to wear, to pay for healthy food and so on.

Aside that he is not causing any trouble, I think such a player is not meant to hit problem gambling. Looking at the description, he could be mentally unstable, and if he turns out to be addicted to the game his mental problem would skyrocket because addiction also causes mental disorder. However, he gambles in a place where people don't mind how he looks provided he pays his bills, no problem. Yet such a person needs help and should be attended to as you mentioned. Nothing is wrong in accepting him into the place he is human and should be respected.

But, in a case where he is causing trouble to himself, that's not fair. Not saying the gaming house should look into his wellbeing or whether he is a compulsive player, but his family, I believe he belongs to one, should help him on that. On another flip, the player could be living a boring life due to his appearance, few people would love to associate with him, hence gambling could be his way of entertaining himself. Thinking of him, staying around people is his best choice. Regardless, many would look down on him, but someday same person will win big, provided he is not compulsive.

[passwordnow]

Those that just bet and don't steal money from the others so that they can bet, there's no problem with that. There are mentally stable people but they're even more that does a lot of crazy things for them to be able to gamble. And with that, they should be the ones to get banned from entering into physical casinos or betting shops. Because if they're harming people, that's best for them to stay wherever they are and don't bring ruckus to the other gamblers that are happily gambling.
If they're not going to stop from doing those unnecessary things that bothers other gamblers in the betting shops, that's one reason to bar them from going in to the casino because they're too naughty and they don't understand how irritating it is when they're bothered by someone who's also a gambler but doesn't respect boundaries. And with that, it's best for the management to do actions before some customers request it to them to do it.

[swogerino]

Those that just bet and don't steal money from the others so that they can bet, there's no problem with that. There are mentally stable people but they're even more that does a lot of crazy things for them to be able to gamble. And with that, they should be the ones to get banned from entering into physical casinos or betting shops. Because if they're harming people, that's best for them to stay wherever they are and don't bring ruckus to the other gamblers that are happily gambling.
If they're not going to stop from doing those unnecessary things that bothers other gamblers in the betting shops, that's one reason to bar them from going in to the casino because they're too naughty and they don't understand how irritating it is when they're bothered by someone who's also a gambler but doesn't respect boundaries. And with that, it's best for the management to do actions before some customers request it to them to do it.

No matter how stable they can be the fact that even very sound people,smart people like IT persons or engineers with high positions in work and society have ruined their life because of gambling.They have started out just like everybody else yet their being smart have not helped them to make sound decisions and to stop gambling when their mind were playing tricks on them.Gambling have destabilized really smart minds and persons and spares no one,this is what I am trying to say here,even stable persons,smart ones with a firm life and family can fall prey to gambling and should not be suggested to gamble,I am not at all talking about stealing money as that is going down in moral lows,yet again I repeat gambling spares no one so everyone should be extra careful.

[GxSTxV]

Generally the only restricted thing in gambling is age, If you are not in the age then you're not allowed to play. But in this case I don't think I've witnessed any similar situation and haven't really thought about it.

I think that when someone is mentally unstable or have any disabilities, someone else should be in charge of him, which means he can't proceed any activity alone without the permission of his health carer, because mentally unstable people sometimes act unpredictably and can do crazy things. But I don't know if this works in the gambling world.
 
As you mentioned, this person didn't really give any sign of disability, maybe he is just a gambling addict who used to frequently gamble. I can't be sure though, it is just a probability I thought of and honestly wish for this person to get better no matter what he's dealing with.