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December 26, 2023, 04:45:22 PM
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I know Wikipedia doesn't take blogs as a reliable source of information for references but prefer references cited from books, publications, and reputable international and local newspapers. So, if you had backed up your corrections with blog posts, they may likely revert it back to former since, the initial may have more backing.

At no point did I cite any blogs. All results were from news websites that apparently weren't "credible enough" according to the guy who was reading it, so what do they want me to do? Forage for articles from the New York Times? They don't have any about this topic.

Although it is generally accepted that (some) Atomic wallet hacked funds being frozen on exchanges is true, so maybe they are just looking at an internal list of allowed websites.
Don't worry mate. You did your job and someone else out there didn't like it so they change it to their own liking. You cannot satisfy everyone around you. The internet nowadays is a circus. People are spreading knowledge that are not even knowledge like crazy. It's hard to determine which one is legit and which one is fake. Not having hands-on experience will always lead to problems. Learning it from the main source is the best way to do it as you cannot find reliable source anywhere on the internet.
Maybe in the past it was a good thing. Anything you have no knowledge about all you need to do is do a little search on Wikipedia or something like that. But nowadays, everyone is so "knowledgeable". They just keep on spreading fake news based on their liking. And the governments are taking advantage of this scenario and leading people to believe whatever they want them to believe. There is no trust anymore.
You have done your part right, but someone out there didn't like it. It's not your problem but it's their problem. Let them have it. They will face the consequences when the time is right. Just wait and enjoy the show.

I don't know why but I choose to do my research on Reddit more than Wikipedia. You can ask people and gather all kind of knowledge from everyone and then compare everything to come up with one single outcome. I think that's the best way you can do your research. There are other platforms but I mostly choose Reddit.
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December 26, 2023, 04:55:45 PM
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Wikipedia can be okay as a starting ground for further research, but it's best to refer to a topic that is popular and not controversial. If it's a neutral but unpopular topic, someone may have written something that nobody really bothered to check and correct. If it's controversial, a lot depends on the admins, who can have their own biases and make different kinds of decisions.
It's unfortunate that reasonable edits are being reverted by someone. It's counterproductive.
The op's story is a good reminder that it's important to fact-check Wikipedia information.

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December 26, 2023, 05:04:16 PM
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I'm sorry that you had to go through that after the effort that you have made. You get to do edits and have it removed by the mods. It seems like in the post you are citing sources from sites that have a good reputation so far and even have the treasury sanctions on mixers etc. Maybe the one approving and handling it is biased and doesn't want to really "show" that it's illegal or something like that

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December 26, 2023, 05:16:59 PM
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....I no longer think Wikipedia is a reliable source for cryptocurrency topics.
I think you're right Wikipedia isn't a reliable source for crypto-currencies and topics related to crypto-currencies because anyone can edit it and sometimes with wrong information. I have never been fan of Wikipedia and I don't really use that site anymore myself but most people still use Wikipedia to search for topics that are related to crypto-currencies.

I think we should create a good Wiki site where we may share information about all topics related to crypto-currencies but unfortunately none of the crypto-currency users are interested in creating a wiki like that and that's why Wikipedia will continue to share unreliable information with ctypto users. Even if we create a wiki site ourselves it will still be very hard to rank that wiki on Google or any other search engine. I hope to see such a site in future maybe.

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December 27, 2023, 09:20:46 AM
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....I no longer think Wikipedia is a reliable source for cryptocurrency topics.

This is crazy, because the Elongated Xmorons all say that Wikipedia is untrustworthy for anything. But I have a different reason for why this is true for any cryptocurrency topics on Wikipedia.

A few hours ago, I made four edits to this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptocurrency_tumbler Each edit added new information to each section. In particular, one of the edits added a paragraph about Sinbad's seizing, and another provided information about law enforcement seizing stolen coins from the Atomic Wallet hack on exchanges.

Within minutes, all of these edits were reverted. Reason? "Unsourced or unreliable sources".

You can't make this up. This is what it looked like before my edits:

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Tumblers take a percentage transaction fee of the total coins mixed to turn a profit, typically 1–3%.[3] Mixing helps protect privacy and can also be used for money laundering by mixing illegally obtained funds. Mixing large amounts of money may be illegal, being in violation of anti-structuring laws. Financial crimes author Jeffrey Robinson has suggested tumblers should be criminalized due to their potential use in illegal activities, specifically funding terrorism;[3] however, a report from the CTC suggests such use in terrorism-related activities is "relatively limited".[4] There has been at least one incident where an exchange has blacklisted "tainted" deposits descending from stolen bitcoins.[citation needed]

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Another alternative to mixing services are "privacy wallets", allowing users to exchange bitcoin in an untraceable manner using so-called CoinJoin Bitcoin Mixer transactions. Since no central server is involved, this eliminates the problem of a mixing server stealing money or acting as a law enforcement honeypot. In recent years, criminals have increasingly moved from mixing services to privacy wallets.[citation needed]

Here is after my edits:

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It is illegal to use mixers to hide money that comes from criminal activities, such as ransomware, controlled substances, and darknet marketplaces, as frequently these transactions are both large and in violation of anti-money laundering laws. Financial crimes author Jeffrey Robinson has suggested tumblers should be criminalized due to their potential use in illegal activities, specifically funding terrorism;[3] however, a report from the CTC suggests such use in terrorism-related activities is "relatively limited".[4] There has been at least one incident where an exchange has blacklisted "tainted" deposits descending from stolen bitcoins.[5]

The existence of tumblers has made the anonymous use of darknet markets easier and the job of law enforcement harder.[6] In response to this, blockchain analysis firms have used techniques to trace the transaction activity of many tumbler users.[7]

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Privacy wallets that use CoinJoin technology are generally accepted to provide stronger anonymity than a crypto currency tumbler<ref>{{Cite web |title=Coin Mixing and CoinJoins Explained |url=https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/coin-mixing-and-coinjoins-explained |url-status=live |access-date=2023-12-26 |website=Binance Academy}}</ref>, especially if the wallet is open-source. Whereas it is often doubtful whether a tumbler keeps logs, despite many often claiming not to keep any, users are able to verify whether the wallet is sending personal information anywhere either by inspecting the codebase, or capturing [[Wireshark]] packets.

== Money laundering ==
Despite tumblers often providing legitimate services for users, they are frequently abused by cyber-criminals to launder cryptocurrencies, usually stolen bitcoin from exchanges. In response, many governments have taken action to seize tumblers suspected of helping, or attempting to help, facilitate money laundering.

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In November 2023, the tumbler Sinbad.io was seized by [[Fiscal Information and Investigation Service|FIOD]], and its addresses were subsequently sanctioned by the Department of the Treasury. It was claimed that over 40% of its transactions were illegitimate and the service was used by [[North Korea]] to evade sanctions.<ref>{{Cite web |title=FIOD takes large crypto currency mixer off the air |url=https://www.fiod.nl/fiod-takes-large-crypto-currency-mixer-off-the-air/}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=Treasury Sanctions Mixer Used by the DPRK to Launder Stolen Virtual Currency |url=https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1933}}</ref>

Why do people want to keep clearly wrong information like "mixing large amounts of money may be illegal, being in violation of anti-structuring laws" and "In recent years, criminals have increasingly moved from mixing services to privacy wallets" on a public wiki? Not only that, but the article clearly looks like it was written 10 years ago with no updating of important subject material.

This is why:

1) having alternate wikis is important
2) discussion about any kind of cryptocurrency topic, including ones you may not like, should not be censored.
Well, it's going to be a hot take. Personally, I don't use Wikipedia at all, mainly because I accidentally included false information in my uni paper a couple of years ago, and it's still a trauma for me haha. Seriously though, I don't really believe in community-monitored sources of information. Nobody pays people to find and edit false information on Wikipedia, so what's really the incentive?
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