Are the Western people very apolitical?

[GrLinkey]

I live in Russia (please note that I support Ukraine). I consider myself as a nerd, prefer talking about science and philosophy on science forums. And I found that the Western science forums are less interesting for me, because they ban for philosophy, politics and new theories (speculation). I was also unable to find interesting English-speaking political forums; and I have also heard that on Reddit it is known that people there who write in English are often not from Europe/USA, but from India or China.
Do you agree with that? Did you notice on this forum, that most nerds here are not from the Western world but from Russia, India and so on? I mean, that people from Russia can show interest to cryptocurrencies just for this interest, while the Western people must have monetary motivation in this to support the cryptocurrencies discussions.
This is very sad if this is true, and I think that the reason is the fact that the Western democracies are mostly not democracies indeed; the ruling elites make the people stupid and apolitical, because overwise the people can think about a revolt.

[btc78]

Well this forum is mainly about bitcoin so it is only understandable if the people participating in here are going to want to talk about bitcoin more if we are just talking about this forum i would say that people from the western are just as equally involved and invested in politics however i would like to note that it seems like they do not really care much about politics in other countries as opposed to other countries like the ones you mentioned and more they seem to hold more knowledge and interest about politics in general whether it is within their own nation or not

But if we are talking about western people in general i can say that most of the youngsters are much involved in politics not only within their country but also in others

[jrrsparkles]

Nerds are different from people who engage in political discussions/debates. Everywhere people tend to talk about their political structure either positively or negatively and there is no exception, except for people from North Korea.

Maybe you are looking in the wrong forums?

I can see hundreds of political-based podcasts coming from the western world of various youtube channels.

[DeathAngel]

Western people are not inherently apolitical. Some people may choose not to engage in political activities or discussions but there are many Western people who are actively involved in politics & express their opinions on various issues. Political engagement varies among individuals & can be influenced by factors such as personal beliefs, interests & societal context. It would be inaccurate to generalise all Western people as apolitical as political participation is diverse & can take various forms.

[ServerWhere]

@GrLinkey These two statements "Western democracies are mostly not democracies indeed" and "the ruling elites make the people stupid and apolitical, because overwise the people can think about a revolt." is pure nonsense. They are completely inappropriate statements.

Can you go and protest against the president of many countries, including yours? No, you cannot, you will get arrested. In the countries you call "Western democracies," people have political freedoms and they can say or do whatever they want.

There is not anything like "Western people" in the first place. The Western culture has many common things in terms of social and political standards  - political pluralism, freedom to express opinion without being persecuted by the government, freedom of expression, freedom of the press, and many other freedoms, that do not exist in many countries. Western societies and multicultural, multi-ethnical, and multi-racial, therefore very complex. Still, cultures and habits in the different countries vary. For that reason there are no "Western people" - there re "Western societies".

[GrLinkey]

Maybe you are looking in the wrong forums?

I can see hundreds of political-based podcasts coming from the western world of various youtube channels.

Can you provide some links to these podcasts?

[GrLinkey]

Can you go and protest against the president of many countries, including yours? No, you cannot, you will get arrested. In the countries you call "Western democracies," people have political freedoms and they can say or do whatever they want.

Yes, you can protest against Biden or Trump. But they are not the real rulers of the USA; the latter are rather anonymous.

[legiteum]

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and I think that the reason is the fact that the Western democracies are mostly not democracies indeed; the ruling elites make the people stupid and apolitical, because overwise the people can think about a revolt.

I live in a "Western democracy" and it's... a democracy, last I checked.

Maybe instead of being "stupid", like you say, maybe most people here haven't engaged the violent overthrow of our government because they are... smart? If Trump would have succeeded in his attack on our government a few years ago everybody here would have kissed their portfolios goodbye (including your crypto, which would have crashed along with everything else).

Revolting against the established liberal democratic government, it turns out, is really really REALLY bad for business--especially if that country was the home of the financial world's reserve currency for instance.

[Hispo]

I don't think people from the United States are truly apolitical. Otherwise, it would not make much sense there are so many politicsl channels and media which are obviously profitable for their respective networks. I believe what happens, is thst the importance of the United States polítics is so big in these lastest years that people from all around the planet is paying more attention to it and reading the news ahead the presidential election we are going to witness in 10 months.

Though, I also must say there have been people who have decided not to get involved and care anymore about politics, for the sake of their mental health and their own integrity, specially in the United States. I have personally talked to one of them and it is a decision I can perfectly understand and respect.

[o48o]

I live in Russia (please note that I support Ukraine). I consider myself as a nerd, prefer talking about science and philosophy on science forums. And I found that the Western science forums are less interesting for me, because they ban for philosophy, politics and new theories (speculation). I was also unable to find interesting English-speaking political forums; and I have also heard that on Reddit it is known that people there who write in English are often not from Europe/USA, but from India or China.
Do you agree with that? Did you notice on this forum, that most nerds here are not from the Western world but from Russia, India and so on? I mean, that people from Russia can show interest to cryptocurrencies just for this interest, while the Western people must have monetary motivation in this to support the cryptocurrencies discussions.
This is very sad if this is true, and I think that the reason is the fact that the Western democracies are mostly not democracies indeed; the ruling elites make the people stupid and apolitical, because overwise the people can think about a revolt.

I am not sure why would you think western people are apolitical, or less political then other regions? But if you try to inject pseudo science on scientific forums (not sure what you are referring to), or use them as your personal space for political agitation. I wouldn't be surprised that they are banning those subjects. That doesn't mean those people are apolitical, they just want to focus on the problem solving, not fighting. So it's just not the correct forum for it. It sounds more like "Sir, This is a Wendy's" -situation-.

And saying "Western democracies are mostly not democracies" is also pretty rich coming from someone living under a literal dictatorship. So you need to back that up with something.

I am certain it must be hard to believe things would be different in anywhere else, when you have lived under literal dictatorship your whole life. And saying that there's an evil elite making westerns stupid is just weird. If some underpaid tv script writers are able to keep your eyes shut, and reprogram your brain, it might not be their fault. Anyone saying it's a part of big plan makes me think they haven't ever planned anything bigger then a shopping list.

Bitcointalk has a sections for other then crypto talk, unlike some forums, and these sections are popular because of free speech. And let's not forget that russian cryptotalk forum exists, where people get paid for talking cryptocurrencies, and funny enough, mention of the war can get you banned. That's literally written in their rules.

[paxmao]

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 I think that the reason is the fact that the Western democracies are mostly not democracies indeed; the ruling elites make the people stupid and apolitical, because overwise the people can think about a revolt.

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I am not sure what is your idea of a "real democracy" Please notice that you will never find in any definition of democracy that "money does not matter".

There is never ever a perfect form of anything except in our ideas (Plato said). However, most of these regimes do have voting, free press, individual rights, independent judiciary and a system of balances. So yes, they are actually democracies. You can get as much information as you want in "the West" - note that Ruzzia is partially "the West" of the Urals. You will find little difference in the art, writings and architecture of Moscow related to central Europe capitals.

You can also choose your sources of information or create your own. There are some limitation on supporting Nazi groups, organisations marked as terrorists and some other extremisms.

All democracies are strongly influenced by money. Private property is consistent with the individual rights that are part of any participative regime and those with money do whatever they can to avoid giving it to others and getting more for themselves. However, the education is mandatory till at leas 16, usually 18 years. People can read history, philosophy or anything they want if they feel like it. Most do understand political tendencies and are aware of massive manipulation techniques.

However, people are not "apolitical" even if they tend not to discuss about it. I am sure you can find forums to discuss your ideas such as this one. What people tend to do is to judge how things are going for them, what the government is doing and what is likely the path forward.

[Natsuu]

I don't think people from the United States are truly apolitical. Otherwise, it would not make much sense there are so many politicsl channels and media which are obviously profitable for their respective networks. I believe what happens, is thst the importance of the United States polítics is so big in these lastest years that people from all around the planet is paying more attention to it and reading the news ahead the presidential election we are going to witness in 10 months.

Though, I also must say there have been people who have decided not to get involved and care anymore about politics, for the sake of their mental health and their own integrity, specially in the United States. I have personally talked to one of them and it is a decision I can perfectly understand and respect.

I totally get what you're saying about the U.S. Everyone's into politics, and it makes sense with all those channels and media making a big deal out of it, as it should be. There are just people who choose to take a break for their sanity. I totally get and respect that call. Sometimes, you just need a break from all the political noise for your own peace of mind but that doesnt mean that you should be ignorant.

[legiteum]

I am not sure what is your idea of a "real democracy" Please notice that you will never find in any definition of democracy that "money does not matter".

I would extend this by saying that you will never find any definition of human existence where "money does not matter". Money, representing the citizens freely trading with one another, will always be present in any free society. And yes, money will influence politics in a democracy in lots of ways.

I think the power of "big money" is less than it's ever been before. Politicians, in the US at least, are now heavily influenced by donors sending them tiny bits of money--ten dollars or fifty dollars and the like. One can argue that this has lead to some really, really stupid politics where politicians perform publicity stunts instead of governing for the long term, but this situation is much more "democratic" than it was even 20 years ago.

[royalfestus]

It is the western government that decides this apolitical position with such a terrible conservative government that controls the meida as much as it does. As a result of this governing system, young citizens are timid and undaring and prone to snowflaking. A controlled system and soft handling of growing children mean they are only giving out their government to immigrants

[Hispo]

I don't think people from the United States are truly apolitical. Otherwise, it would not make much sense there are so many politicsl channels and media which are obviously profitable for their respective networks. I believe what happens, is thst the importance of the United States polítics is so big in these lastest years that people from all around the planet is paying more attention to it and reading the news ahead the presidential election we are going to witness in 10 months.

Though, I also must say there have been people who have decided not to get involved and care anymore about politics, for the sake of their mental health and their own integrity, specially in the United States. I have personally talked to one of them and it is a decision I can perfectly understand and respect.

I totally get what you're saying about the U.S. Everyone's into politics, and it makes sense with all those channels and media making a big deal out of it, as it should be. There are just people who choose to take a break for their sanity. I totally get and respect that call. Sometimes, you just need a break from all the political noise for your own peace of mind but that doesnt mean that you should be ignorant.

However, I have also talked to people do try to willingly ignore politics during two or three years and only care to get information about candidates for the white house during cycles like this one, when all the population of the United States and beyond get interested on who is supposed to lead the nation. I have never lived in the United States, but I have talked to friends who live there and the political situation and division there can be so bad that they would rather to actually become ignorant on those topics and escape from the political confrontations within the American society, but nowadays it is almost imposible to do so, due to all being politicized: sports, gender, churches, social media, even food. There is no wonder why some people who are already mentally unstable snap and commit violence against others or themselves.

I have always thought that the ideal country or democracy is one where one as citizen does not need to take much about politics, but rather focus on living one's life as happy as possible, if people are happy then why bother to spoil one happiness by overthinking on those bitter topics?

[bluebit25]

I live in Russia (please note that I support Ukraine). I consider myself as a nerd, prefer talking about science and philosophy on science forums. And I found that the Western science forums are less interesting for me, because they ban for philosophy, politics and new theories (speculation). I was also unable to find interesting English-speaking political forums; and I have also heard that on Reddit it is known that people there who write in English are often not from Europe/USA, but from India or China.
Do you agree with that? Did you notice on this forum, that most nerds here are not from the Western world but from Russia, India and so on? I mean, that people from Russia can show interest to cryptocurrencies just for this interest, while the Western people must have monetary motivation in this to support the cryptocurrencies discussions.
This is very sad if this is true, and I think that the reason is the fact that the Western democracies are mostly not democracies indeed; the ruling elites make the people stupid and apolitical, because overwise the people can think about a revolt.

Not really because I have also come into contact with many people in the West who have a real curiosity for fields that do not always receive much attention, I was very surprised to discover a top university in America with a major in theology, a field that I think is the end of all fields. But we also strongly agree that from the current life perspective, people believe more in empirical things than in things that are still unclear, or simply in a way that completely denies everything that they cannot explain.

As in the field of medicine, things like meridians and acupuncture points are known to have existed for thousands of years in many Eastern cultures, but only in recent years have Western research accepted that they are the truth, and they cannot know exactly how humans can find those things. Yep, in life it is true that there are still many things that we cannot explain. Along with developing and finding new/old things, we should show a more objective spirit towards everything, and not also that it always brings scientific achievements to explain everything. I once read about the book "Journey to the East" perhaps at some point the shift in research will move towards this land where things go beyond scientific explanation and only await acceptance.

[darkangel11]

@GrLinkey These two statements "Western democracies are mostly not democracies indeed" and "the ruling elites make the people stupid and apolitical, because overwise the people can think about a revolt." is pure nonsense. They are completely inappropriate statements.

Note that OP is from Russia and dares to criticize how little democracy we have in our countries. I'd like to remind OP that "democratically" elected president Putin "democratically" changed the constitution to become the president for the third time.
I bet that his democratic government asked the people if they want to invade a neighboring country and the majority said yes, so they did. (sarcasm).
We have more democracy in Europe than you do in Russia, prove me wrong OP. At least I'm not being chased around town by police for wearing a blue jacket over a yellow shirt.

[GrLinkey]

@GrLinkey These two statements "Western democracies are mostly not democracies indeed" and "the ruling elites make the people stupid and apolitical, because overwise the people can think about a revolt." is pure nonsense. They are completely inappropriate statements.

Note that OP is from Russia and dares to criticize how little democracy we have in our countries. I'd like to remind OP that "democratically" elected president Putin "democratically" changed the constitution to become the president for the third time.
I bet that his democratic government asked the people if they want to invade a neighboring country and the majority said yes, so they did. (sarcasm).
We have more democracy in Europe than you do in Russia, prove me wrong OP. At least I'm not being chased around town by police for wearing a blue jacket over a yellow shirt.

I didn't say that Russia has democracy. My views are very anti-Putins.
I would be glad if the replies here about the Western world are right, and it is difficult for me to prove my point of view, since this conclusion is rather intuitive than based on concerete facts. I suggest you to watch 3 videos which support this point of view, can you please comment them:

"The illusion of democracy":

https://youtu.be/mhOOziH7QAo

"How Money Became Worthless":

https://youtu.be/Co_tVd9gA2I

"Money as debt":

https://youtu.be/4AC6RSau7r8

[paxmao]

@GrLinkey These two statements "Western democracies are mostly not democracies indeed" and "the ruling elites make the people stupid and apolitical, because overwise the people can think about a revolt." is pure nonsense. They are completely inappropriate statements.

Note that OP is from Russia and dares to criticize how little democracy we have in our countries. I'd like to remind OP that "democratically" elected president Putin "democratically" changed the constitution to become the president for the third time.
I bet that his democratic government asked the people if they want to invade a neighboring country and the majority said yes, so they did. (sarcasm).
We have more democracy in Europe than you do in Russia, prove me wrong OP. At least I'm not being chased around town by police for wearing a blue jacket over a yellow shirt.

I didn't say that Russia has democracy. My views are very anti-Putins.
I would be glad if the replies here about the Western world are right, and it is difficult for me to prove my point of view, since this conclusion is rather intuitive than based on concerete facts. I suggest you to watch 3 videos which support this point of view, can you please comment them:

"The illusion of democracy":

...

"How Money Became Worthless":

...

"Money as debt":

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Look, you should try all this somewhere else. If there is a forum that is well past the manipulation, fomo, fud and propaganda is this one. You can say "I am anti-putin" but then provide all the propaganda that pretty much proves the contrary.

This is the usual technique of casting shadows of doubt with half-truth and "reasonable doubts" adding up the argument of "it is not perfect, so it is not good". For example: "corporations have a lot of influence in the US elections, so US and Ruzzia are both the same". "US tortured in Guantanamo, so US an Ruzzia are the same". Another thing you will find in the "the West" is people who are well aware of this type of discourse.

If you think Western democracies are not "true" democracies, you would need to say where you can actually find one that is. This is not black an white, there is grayscale from North Korea to Norway and at least the EU and for now US, Canada and a few others are "white enough".

[GrLinkey]

If you think Western democracies are not "true" democracies, you would need to say where you can actually find one that is. This is not black an white, there is grayscale from North Korea to Norway and at least the EU and for now US, Canada and a few others are "white enough".

Well, for me the best society is Switzerland, where a referendum is performed each 3 months. I think that if a similar model had been adopted in the United States, the current problems of the United States most likely would not exist.