Are the Western people very apolitical?

[aoluain]

Western people are not inherently apolitical. Some people may choose not to engage in political activities or discussions but there are many Western people who are actively involved in politics & express their opinions on various issues. Political engagement varies among individuals & can be influenced by factors such as personal beliefs, interests & societal context. It would be inaccurate to generalise all Western people as apolitical as political participation is diverse & can take various forms.

I agree DeathAngel and would expand on what you say by adding Western Societies are
NOT apolitical, they are actually all democratic societies.

The OP is from Russia, one of the few dictatorships in the continent of Europe.

Its also a bit of a stretch and generalisation for the OP to say westerners are only
interested in cryptocurrencies when there is monetary gain, its actually a global trait
as is being interested in cryptocurrencies for the science factor, its not just a western thing.

[legiteum]

I didn't say that Russia has democracy. My views are very anti-Putins.
I would be glad if the replies here about the Western world are right, and it is difficult for me to prove my point of view, since this conclusion is rather intuitive than based on concerete facts. I suggest you to watch 3 videos which support this point of view, can you please comment them:

"The illusion of democracy":

https://youtu.be/mhOOziH7QAo

"How Money Became Worthless":

https://youtu.be/Co_tVd9gA2I

"Money as debt":

https://youtu.be/4AC6RSau7r8

So you say that freedom is slavery and having money means you don't have money, even though this is self-contradictory.

And also you say you are anti-Putin and not pro-Putin even though your are repeating Putin's anti-Western propaganda.

[GrLinkey]

So you say that freedom is slavery and having money means you don't have money, even though this is self-contradictory.

And also you say you are anti-Putin and not pro-Putin even though your are repeating Putin's anti-Western propaganda.

There is no Putin's propaganda that the Western countries suffer from a lack of democracy (or maybe just a bit, in contraditions with other statements). The Putin's propaganda is aimed at discrediting democracy, and especially discretiting Maidan (pro-democratic revolt in Ukraine).
The propaganda in Russia tries to combine democracy and homosexuality in the minds of Russians; and I try to argue on Russian forums, that these problems couldn't occur if everything in the West was decided via a referendum. I have already written about this here.

[legiteum]

There is no Putin's propaganda that the Western countries suffer from a lack of democracy (or maybe just a bit, in contraditions with other statements). The Putin's propaganda is aimed at discrediting democracy, and especially discretiting Maidan (pro-democratic revolt in Ukraine).
The propaganda in Russia tries to combine democracy and homosexuality in the minds of Russians; and I try to argue on Russian forums, that these problems couldn't occur if everything in the West was decided via a referendum. I have already written about this here.

So if they passed a referendum in Russia saying they should take over Ukraine and then invade Poland after that, um... then what?

America, it should be noted, was not founded as an unlimited democracy and I suspect you don't fully understand Switzerland either (although I'm no expert on their constitution).

[GrLinkey]

So if they passed a referendum in Russia saying they should take over Ukraine and then invade Poland after that, um... then what?

The Russians are brainwashed by the proparanda, but I am sure that even they would have rejected such a proposal in a referendum if it had been held.

[Ucy]

From my experience, one of the quickest ways to get the "first worlders" flee a discussion platform is to fill it with third worlders and let them know about it. It will make them feel inferior and ashamed that they have been interacting, making connections and dwelling with third class people or subhumans. One of the remedy for this is to rank them above the third worlders on the platform, whether they qualify or not. Or reward them more... Don't just treat everyone equally.
In regards to being apolitical, they are very much into politics and seem to like it... like how much many Americans like wrestling. There are people who don't really like politics though, and It's mostly about the nature of politics that's filled with negativity, pessimism, bitterness etc which lots of nerds and gentlemen I also encounter on couple of science forums/groups I was part of didn't really like. They just want to forget about politics and be optimistic, loving, caring, happy, etc.
I noticed there were members who didn't really like theories and speculations from other members and I used to be suspicious and mad at them for discouraging what is typically acceptable in the science world. I thought they were never really science inclined but were just there to cause confusion, hurt us, make us hopeless or derail our progress.

[GrLinkey]

I didn’t expect that my thread will attract so much criticism. Maybe I will be able to formulate my opinion with more arguments in future. By the way, a famous liberal writer Steven Pinker (who writes that the humanity moves towards a better world) has a book “Enlightenment Now”; and if indeed the Enlightenment continues, this must mean that a new Great Revolt will soon happen? Isn’t that the main goal of the crypto enthusiasts?

[legiteum]

So if they passed a referendum in Russia saying they should take over Ukraine and then invade Poland after that, um... then what?

The Russians are brainwashed by the proparanda, but I am sure that even they would have rejected such a proposal in a referendum if it had been held.

Most Russians polled support the war. Indeed, if you are telling the truth about who you are and views, then you are risking your life by posting here.

And that's the point: simply having a vote doesn't mean anything. Putin will win with 99% of the vote, just like Xi would in China, and like Kim Jong Un would in PRK.

Simply having a vote, by itself, doesn't mean anything. The US was founded with freedom of speech and press--to take just one example--in order to allow democracy to mean something. It's not as simple as you are making it out to be here.

[BADecker]

Are the Western people very apolitical?


No. Westerners love politics. Watch this:

The Ballad of Maddog Quinn - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRsXa3-LCc0.

Then watch Alex Jones predict war between the US and Russia. Sunday Live: Globalists Attempt to Cover Up Vax Deaths as Blue Cities Announce New Covid Measures - https://banned.video/watch?id=65920851be3fe4c20c4c7aac.

[paxmao]

If you think Western democracies are not "true" democracies, you would need to say where you can actually find one that is. This is not black an white, there is grayscale from North Korea to Norway and at least the EU and for now US, Canada and a few others are "white enough".

Well, for me the best society is Switzerland, where a referendum is performed each 3 months. I think that if a similar model had been adopted in the United States, the current problems of the United States most likely would not exist.

A direct democracy  of "high frequency consulting" regime in my view may work in Switzerland, but it also creates too much overhead (people voting takes time, reading the proposals takes time, understanding what you are actually voting may take a lifetime of study). It also requires a population that is quite well educated and very aware of the effects of populism and manipulation.

The population in the US has been specifically kept ignorant. Their secondary programme is a joke.

[legiteum]

A direct democracy  of "high frequency consulting" regime in my view may work in Switzerland, but it also creates too much overhead (people voting takes time, reading the proposals takes time, understanding what you are actually voting may take a lifetime of study). It also requires a population that is quite well educated and very aware of the effects of populism and manipulation.

The population in the US has been specifically kept ignorant. Their secondary programme is a joke.

Hi there. American here. Do you have an example of a "smart" country that demonstrates how "ignorant" the US is in comparison?

[Hispo]

So if they passed a referendum in Russia saying they should take over Ukraine and then invade Poland after that, um... then what?

The Russians are brainwashed by the proparanda, but I am sure that even they would have rejected such a proposal in a referendum if it had been held.

Most Russians polled support the war. Indeed, if you are telling the truth about who you are and views, then you are risking your life by posting here.

And that's the point: simply having a vote doesn't mean anything. Putin will win with 99% of the vote, just like Xi would in China, and like Kim Jong Un would in PRK.

Simply having a vote, by itself, doesn't mean anything. The US was founded with freedom of speech and press--to take just one example--in order to allow democracy to mean something. It's not as simple as you are making it out to be here.

Actually, I do not believe it is fair to compare those countries with other republics like the United States or any western country where people is allowed to vote. The biggest difference in my opinion is the fact people in those two eastern countries do not even have the choice to vote for other parties which are not the communist party of China and the communist party of north korea. In those circumstances I would even say those people have an actual vote, I would only say people have a vote in places where there are several options for parties to reach the presidency or head of state. I would even put in doubt the status of USA as an actual complete democracy, since the president is not elected directly and there is a very strong duopoly of power between the republican and de democrat party.

If both the Red and the blue parties are aware people will continue to vote for both of them no matter what, then they won't care for actual policies and solving the most important problems of their society, engage in corruption, among other things. If there was a big chance of the third party gaining force there in the north, those two parties would realize they cannot just to continue to engage in political shows and lose time which could be used to improve the life of the average voter.

[BADecker]

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Most Russians polled support the war. Indeed, if you are telling the truth about who you are and views, then you are risking your life by posting here.

And that's the point: simply having a vote doesn't mean anything. Putin will win with 99% of the vote, just like Xi would in China, and like Kim Jong Un would in PRK.

Simply having a vote, by itself, doesn't mean anything. The US was founded with freedom of speech and press--to take just one example--in order to allow democracy to mean something. It's not as simple as you are making it out to be here.

Actually, I do not believe it is fair to compare those countries with other republics like the United States or any western country where people is allowed to vote. The biggest difference in my opinion is the fact people in those two eastern countries do not even have the choice to vote for other parties which are not the communist party of China and the communist party of north korea. In those circumstances I would even say those people have an actual vote, I would only say people have a vote in places where there are several options for parties to reach the presidency or head of state. I would even put in doubt the status of USA as an actual complete democracy, since the president is not elected directly and there is a very strong duopoly of power between the republican and de democrat party.

If both the Red and the blue parties are aware people will continue to vote for both of them no matter what, then they won't care for actual policies and solving the most important problems of their society, engage in corruption, among other things. If there was a big chance of the third party gaining force there in the north, those two parties would realize they cannot just to continue to engage in political shows and lose time which could be used to improve the life of the average voter.

But these things that you say are shown to not be absolutely correct. Consider what Stalin said, "The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything."

"But that was Stalin," you say. But the Bolsheviks, from whom Stalin sprang, were financed by the US and rich people from the US - and other countries - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=who+financed+the+bolsheviks%3F&ia=web.

In fact, the the Ukraine elections since 2014 were influenced by the CIA against the people... just as the CIA controls the results of the US elections. The electronic voting machines have back doors that allow them to be controlled by 'hackers' over the Internet. Consider http://www.theorangerevolution.com/orangerevolution0.html.

The point is that voting decides little. Rather, voting is a pacification program used by the powerful (the CIA) to pacify the people into thinking that they did their best, or that they won, so that they don't openly revolt and straighten things out. Something like that would take power away from the rich, and the rich just couldn't stand something like that.

Of course, if I were a very wealthy person who was 300 years old, I would probably want to hide this fact from people. Why? Because the rich who are evil are fools. They are going to die someday, and they will ultimately have to face God to account for the evil they have done.

[legiteum]

The point is that voting decides little. Rather, voting is a pacification program used by the powerful (the CIA) to pacify the people into thinking that they did their best, or that they won, so that they don't openly revolt and straighten things out. Something like that would take power away from the rich, and the rich just couldn't stand something like that.

So the CIA controls voting? Interesting.

Why did the CIA choose Trump in 2016, and then Biden in 2020? Who will they choose in 2024?

And if the CIA chooses our politicians, then why especially do you care about the subject of politics? Seems like a waste of time if the outcome is already determined and out of your control.

Also, what else does the CIA control? There was a restaurant I really liked in my area that went out of business. Everybody liked it and it appeared to be doing great, and yet it failed. Could that be the CIA too?

[BADecker]

The point is that voting decides little. Rather, voting is a pacification program used by the powerful (the CIA) to pacify the people into thinking that they did their best, or that they won, so that they don't openly revolt and straighten things out. Something like that would take power away from the rich, and the rich just couldn't stand something like that.

So the CIA controls voting? Interesting.

Why did the CIA choose Trump in 2016, and then Biden in 2020? Who will they choose in 2024? - The business of the CIA is to keep the people pacified. But the CIA isn't God. Dems And Reps are two sides of the same coin. Do what it takes to keep the people looking at the coin. Meanwhile, the super-wealthy people in the banking system pull the strings to make the things happen that they want to happen... often through the CIA.

And if the CIA chooses our politicians, then why especially do you care about the subject of politics? Seems like a waste of time if the outcome is already determined and out of your control. - Some people seem to enjoy other people dying. Some of the wealthy want the population of the whole Earth reduced to 500 million. A big start to getting the CIA out of controlling the voting is to get rid of the voting machines. But people need to know about them to want to get rid of them. This is already starting around the US in some counties of some States.

Also, what else does the CIA control? There was a restaurant I really liked in my area that went out of business. Everybody liked it and it appeared to be doing great, and yet it failed. Could that be the CIA too?

You could contact the CIA in Langley, VA. The specifics of what they do and why are only known to them, and the wealthy who pull their strings.

[legiteum]

You could contact the CIA in Langley, VA. The specifics of what they do and why are only known to them, and the wealthy who pull their strings.

You never answered the question. If the CIA controls everything on behalf of the super-wealthy, then why do you care about electoral politics? Why do you advocate people vote for one party or another if it doesn't matter?

Also, who are these "wealthy" who control the CIA? It seems to be that there are very VERY wealthy people like Michael Bloomberg on the side of the Democrats and Rupert Murdoch on the side of the Republicans and they seem to want opposite parties to win the election. How do you explain that?

[paxmao]

A direct democracy  of "high frequency consulting" regime in my view may work in Switzerland, but it also creates too much overhead (people voting takes time, reading the proposals takes time, understanding what you are actually voting may take a lifetime of study). It also requires a population that is quite well educated and very aware of the effects of populism and manipulation.

The population in the US has been specifically kept ignorant. Their secondary programme is a joke.

Hi there. American here. Do you have an example of a "smart" country that demonstrates how "ignorant" the US is in comparison?

Yes, but not of "smart country", rather and educated society as I said. Now if you are a college student in US that may be completely different depending on your Uni.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/rankings/well-developed-public-education-system

Sweden
#1 in Well-developed public education system
#3 in Best Countries Overall


Finland
#2 in Well-developed public education system
#14 in Best Countries Overall


Denmark
#3 in Well-developed public education system
#13 in Best Countries Overall


Germany
#4 in Well-developed public education system
#7 in Best Countries Overall


Canada
#5 in Well-developed public education system
#2 in Best Countries Overall

United Kingdom
#6 in Well-developed public education system
#9 in Best Countries Overall

Norway
#7 in Well-developed public education system
#11 in Best Countries Overall

Japan
#8 in Well-developed public education system
#6 in Best Countries Overall

Switzerland
#9 in Well-developed public education system
#1 in Best Countries Overall

Netherlands
#10 in Well-developed public education system
#10 in Best Countries Overall
[...]

US ranks 16 on this one - it is a proxy for the information, as it would be impossible to give a perfect answer. US as a whole country has a dominant position in the world, but internally poverty, analphabetism and lack of education are a problem for ample layers of society.

If you need other examples of how the population of the US are kept ignorant of many aspects that would be detrimental for the elites, I would need to show you the programme in some counties / states. Too much work.

You could contact the CIA in Langley, VA. The specifics of what they do and why are only known to them, and the wealthy who pull their strings.

You never answered the question. If the CIA controls everything on behalf of the super-wealthy, then why do you care about electoral politics? Why do you advocate people vote for one party or another if it doesn't matter?

Also, who are these "wealthy" who control the CIA? It seems to be that there are very VERY wealthy people like Michael Bloomberg on the side of the Democrats and Rupert Murdoch on the side of the Republicans and they seem to want opposite parties to win the election. How do you explain that?

do not expect an "answer" as you or I would commonly understand from "dumBAss".

[BADecker]

You could contact the CIA in Langley, VA. The specifics of what they do and why are only known to them, and the wealthy who pull their strings.

You never answered the question. If the CIA controls everything on behalf of the super-wealthy, then why do you care about electoral politics? Why do you advocate people vote for one party or another if it doesn't matter?

Also, who are these "wealthy" who control the CIA? It seems to be that there are very VERY wealthy people like Michael Bloomberg on the side of the Democrats and Rupert Murdoch on the side of the Republicans and they seem to want opposite parties to win the election. How do you explain that?

I answered your question. But you seem to be like so many that simply don't understand. So, rather than answer it again, I'll post the link to my comment where I answered it. Let's see if you can understand the answer now that you know that it is there - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5479648.msg63435668#msg63435668.

As far as the wealthy who control the CIA, they are the owners of The Federal Reserve Bank. How do we know? All the banks in the US are tied to the Fed. They all create new money out of the promissory notes that they get for the loans they make. In other words, they get loan repayment twice. Once in the borrower's repayment over the years. But the first time in the signed promissory note that they convert into money. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Tom+Schauf+bank+freedom&ia=web

[legiteum]

As far as the wealthy who control the CIA, they are the owners of The Federal Reserve Bank. How do we know? All the banks in the US are tied to the Fed. They all create new money out of the promissory notes that they get for the loans they make. In other words, they get loan repayment twice. Once in the borrower's repayment over the years. But the first time in the signed promissory note that they convert into money.

Again, why would these wealthy people back both Trump and Biden?

[GrLinkey]

Most Russians polled support the war.

I am not sure this is correct. You should not trust the polls in Russia: it is forbidden to say there that you are against the war or that you want to give some territories to Ukraine, so most people just don’t answer anything in these polls. More interesting are some psychological researches, which reveal strange Freudian effects; you can watch this information here:

https://youtu.be/9_0E9IzXT34

It seems that the Russians now have “ultra-loyalist” mentality and they are ready to support everything the power will suggest – from returning Crimea to Ukraine to starting a nuclear war.