Crypto gambling and religious restrictions

[alani123]

Talking with someone that is Muslim yesterday, it was suggested to me that many Muslims around the world might be using crypto to circumvent the strict treatment of gambling in predominantly Muslim countries.

It was an interesting concept to consider that since crypto can be used to conceal your spending, it is probably also used by people who want to gamble to avoid the consequences based on religious practices.

But the more interesting side of this is that some probably interpret gambling with crypto as permissible under religious rules. Not exactly 100% approved let's say but not explicitly forbidden either.

So what do you think about this? Does gambling with crypto mean that laws about gambling being Haram don't apply all the time?
I was thinking that of crypto is earned outside of one's regular job, for example as a reward for activities such as bounties or sweepstakes, then maybe gambling with these earnings insta Haram?

These concepts are interesting to me because most Christian people like me, while having our religion dictate that gambling is a very serious sin, most do it anyway. Basically most christians aren't very pious at all and don't follow religion rules at least in my experience. So using loopholes to circumvent religious rules when your country even endorsed certain casinos isn't needed that much. So it's interesting to observe these differences.

[macson]

Again, it is actually unethical to discuss the issue of gambling with religion and link it, remember that gambling is personal and so is religion, so it is very important for us to respect other people's views on rules and morals.  i am also a Christian and really respect other Christians who don't gamble because they think gambling is bad behavior, i never feel like i'm right, i just gamble without harming myself, my family and also other people because some radical Christians said that gambling destroys a person's personality and also destroys his life so in my opinion as long as the person is able to manage his gambling activities well then it is legal.

[Wiwo]

Let's settle on one fact about law and culture or religion, this three principle governs the physical elements of the people and this law or culture differs from place to place and is based on individuals' beliefs,  that is why you find gamblers even in a non-gambling regions but they are left to provide for the security and enhance the privacy if not when cash up with the laws,  it will take it cost and the individuals will be punished for that,  so we want the surprise to see individual gamblers violating either their states laws or even religion laws,  just to cash fun.

Why most of them find cryptocurrency as the best means of transaction while gambling,  is because of the core feature of cryptocurrency which is privacy and security,  so this made cryptocurrency to be the most preferred for those in that region and in such conditions.

[bittraffic]

Crypto isn't made to circumvent, it's a development in technology, and we are bound to adopt it.
Touchy subject but all over the world everyone gambles and we just set aside religion for a moment as it's not so bad to have fun for a bit. And the government is allowing the country to have some sort of a sin city where we can have fun and gamble and it's allowed.  Have some humanity. Can't Religion forgive a soul whose intention is to enjoy life?  

[Kemarit]

I'm not sure though, because this topic could be sensitive to our Muslim brothers. Maybe it's haram maybe it's not and it's going to be debatable.

Anyhow, maybe we can look at similar threads below:

• Is Bitcoin halal?
• Is Bitcoin Halal or Haram: A Shariah Analysis
• Bitcoin is Islamic" -by Economist Bruce Fenton

[nelson4lov]

This is a very sensitive topic and I'm not an authority but this is my opinion. Of course the laws apply. If something is downright forbidden, then doing the same thing differently doesn't mean it's no longer forbidden. What's interesting is that I didn't know that gambling is considered to be a sin in the Christian religion. According to the version I read this from, trading cryptocurrencies or forex might be considered a sin too. Anyway, that's by the way.

Crypto is a tool and if you use the tool for something bad or in this case forbidden, then it should be considered to be so.

[Westinhome]

Again, it is actually unethical to discuss the issue of gambling with religion and link it, remember that gambling is personal and so is religion, so it is very important for us to respect other people's views on rules and morals.  i am also a Christian and really respect other Christians who don't gamble because they think gambling is bad behavior, i never feel like i'm right, i just gamble without harming myself, my family and also other people because some radical Christians said that gambling destroys a person's personality and also destroys his life so in my opinion as long as the person is able to manage his gambling activities well then it is legal.

The religion is different concept,many people believe that religious against the gambling.But it’s their own wish,because they had trust in the fact the gambling against their own religion.So they are not take part in the gambling,it was essentially important to accept the religious belief.With my point of view,the gambling also had the possibility of losing the hard earned money.It was the reason for the religious law against the gambling site.Mostly the people from the Islamic religion were against the gambling site,So they decided to not take part in the gambling site.Many atheists also against the gambling site.So playing is purely based on the person who use their money in gambling site.

[Kavelj22]

This is a very sensitive topic and I'm not an authority but this is my opinion. Of course the laws apply. If something is downright forbidden, then doing the same thing differently doesn't mean it's no longer forbidden. What's interesting is that I didn't know that gambling is considered to be a sin in the Christian religion. According to the version I read this from, trading cryptocurrencies or forex might be considered a sin too. Anyway, that's by the way.

Crypto is a tool and if you use the tool for something bad or in this case forbidden, then it should be considered to be so.

Money is also a tool, and if it can be used badly, that does not mean it is bad. Religious logic forbids gambling on the basis that it is self-harm, similar to harming another person, and therefore it is a sin.

Like you, I did not know that gambling was a sin in Christianity, and I consider that the religions that did not prohibit it by religious legislation rejected it and considered it evidence of a sin. I do not imagine that there is any religion that approves of gambling as a personal freedom or as entertainment.

[Saint-loup]

These concepts are interesting to me because most Christian people like me, while having our religion dictate that gambling is a very serious sin, most do it anyway. Basically most christians aren't very pious at all and don't follow religion rules at least in my experience. So using loopholes to circumvent religious rules when your country even endorsed certain casinos isn't needed that much. So it's interesting to observe these differences.

You shouldn't say gambling is against christianity rules, because AFAIK Jesus has never explicitly banned gambling. If you play fairly, without cheating, scamming or hurting someone why it would be forbidden? If you want to spread love around you, you need to be happy into your life and doing what you like to do is helping a lot for staying like that.

[topbitcoin]

Don't associate religion with gambling, because this is clearly contradictory and it is clear that the Islamic religion strongly opposes all forms of gambling. And condemned that gambling is something that is haram and prohibited by religion. Gambling is not about halal and haram, but about likes and dislikes. Someone clearly knows that gambling is something that is haram, but because they like it, they will not hesitate to break the rules. And when someone finds out that gambling is haram, does he immediately stop his gambling activities? I do not think so...! he will continue to do this activity because he likes it. And when you go to a casino, before entering you will be asked what your religion is? I don't think so, the casino will only ask if you have enough money to start your gambling, if not then please go home. And when the casino finds out that you are a Muslim gambler, does the casino immediately kick him out? No..! The casino will not kick him out and the person will still be allowed to continue playing.

Religious rules are clear and cannot be changed because they are provisions. "God has established something that cannot be changed by his creatures"

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

These concepts are interesting to me because most Christian people like me, while having our religion dictate that gambling is a very serious sin, most do it anyway. Basically most christians aren't very pious at all and don't follow religion rules at least in my experience. So using loopholes to circumvent religious rules when your country even endorsed certain casinos isn't needed that much. So it's interesting to observe these differences.

I'm a Christian, man. Christianity is not against gambling, but a pastor (someone) who hates gambling and doesn't have any proper knowledge about gambling will definitely preach against it while passing on a sermon.

For example, since I love gambling, there's no way I could agree with anyone who is preaching against gambling. I will always have points to argue with and defend my interest as a gambler, but if I am a hater of gambling and someone is talking against gambling in my presence, I will also support what they are saying. If you hate something, you will always try to cave out some convincing fact or reasons that totally condemns what you preach against so that you can make the thing look bad on the site of your followers.

Christianity is not against gambling, nor is it a sin to gamble as a Christian. The thing is, most gamblers fall out of self-control while gambling, and they become reckless gamblers at the end of the day and may lose all the good things they have in their possession. At that point, Christianity becomes against addictions, lack of self-control, and immoral behavior, not against gambling.

For example, some people rob, steal, and even kill just to get money; the action they took to get that money is illegal, but those actions don't condemn money; people are still using money. That's how it is with gambling: some gamble responsibly, while others are reckless and do all manner of unethical things just to gamble. They could be committing illegal acts to gamble, but gambling itself is not immoral.

[Dickiy]

These concepts are interesting to me because most Christian people like me, while having our religion dictate that gambling is a very serious sin, most do it anyway. Basically most christians aren't very pious at all and don't follow religion rules at least in my experience. So using loopholes to circumvent religious rules when your country even endorsed certain casinos isn't needed that much. So it's interesting to observe these differences.

Before I speak further for the record: I do not mean to justify something that is wrong and blame rules that are definitely religiously correct, etc. In the case of gambling, I think any religion must prohibit it (correct me if I'm wrong  because this needs to be proven by each individual beliefs). However I am aware that even though all this time gambling, both crypto and fiat gambling, the law remains the same namely prohibited. It's just  that we have no other choice when faced with a life situation full  of demands to fulfill our needs. I admit that based on my beliefs what I did was a mistake, with the hope that one day I can improve myself  as best as possible. But now the difference  between haram  and  halal is increasingly biased in our eyes.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

        -   Gambling is a matter of choice for each individual gambler. Today, if we associate gambling with religion, almost all religions, or the majority, are against the gambling industry.

Most religious groups do not think well of gambling. But of course, in the eyes of other gamblers or players in casinos, it is not because the reasons for each game are different and it is not consistent. Maybe the best thing to do is to respect everyone's every belief.

[Fundamentals Of]

Gambling is haram. So whether you use crypto or fiat in gambling doesn't change a thing. It remains haram. It's like eating pork is prohibited, so whether you grill it or stake it doesn't matter. It remains prohibited. But I know of Muslims who gamble a lot. There are also a lot of Muslims who also drink alcohol even if it is also haram.

I think gambling is not actually considered a sin for Christians. Stealing money to gamble is a sin. Gambling with money that is supposed to be for buying food is a sin. But gambling itself is not. There are even priests who gamble.

[yahoo62278]

Talking with someone that is Muslim yesterday, it was suggested to me that many Muslims around the world might be using crypto to circumvent the strict treatment of gambling in predominantly Muslim countries.

It was an interesting concept to consider that since crypto can be used to conceal your spending, it is probably also used by people who want to gamble to avoid the consequences based on religious practices.

But the more interesting side of this is that some probably interpret gambling with crypto as permissible under religious rules. Not exactly 100% approved let's say but not explicitly forbidden either.

So what do you think about this? Does gambling with crypto mean that laws about gambling being Haram don't apply all the time?
I was thinking that of crypto is earned outside of one's regular job, for example as a reward for activities such as bounties or sweepstakes, then maybe gambling with these earnings insta Haram?

These concepts are interesting to me because most Christian people like me, while having our religion dictate that gambling is a very serious sin, most do it anyway. Basically most christians aren't very pious at all and don't follow religion rules at least in my experience. So using loopholes to circumvent religious rules when your country even endorsed certain casinos isn't needed that much. So it's interesting to observe these differences.

If you are of a certain religion who doesn't believe in gambling and you are gambling in some way, are you really a believer in that religion? So many hypocrites when it comes to religion.

What's the penalty if you are caught gambling and are of a religion that doesn't believe in gambling?

[FinePoine0]

Gambling is forbidden in Islam, because gambling keeps people in trouble all the time. Most of the gamblers suffer more losses while gambling because they become addicted, thus gambling is the only thing they indulge in without family concerns. So the gambler's family members are in poverty, Islam has always prohibited such acts. (One person's act will cause another person to be hurt) Such acts are Islamically forbidden, which is why gambling is included in it. Those who indulge in this gambling secretly or online gambling will be judged by the Creator as a judge in the Hereafter.

[the rise]

Basically in our country there is no special statement that gambling means all crypto. although some religious leaders say that crypto is haram in matters related to gambling, but not all. but from what you reported that crypto is used to circumvent strict regulations in some countries but it hasn't reached my country yet. Here they still mostly use real money to gamble. In fact, crypto here is generally considered an investment asset rather than a gambling asset. Unless you actually bet on a gambling site with it.

[Oshosondy]

You couldn't say gambling is against christianity rules, because AFAIK Jesus has never explicitly banned gambling. If you play fairly, without cheating, scamming or hurting someone why it would be forbidden?

You are not wrong. Nowhere in the bible that points to gambling to be a sin. Only what bible pointed to is the love of money which is the root of evil. As long as you gamble responsibly and not hurting anyone, it is not a sin. But if you ask a pastor if gambling is a sin, likely the pastor will point to the love of money is the root of evil and how gambling can lead to unwanted happenings like losing money. They will advice people not to gamble, not because it is in bible, because it is not in the bible.

What's the penalty if you are caught gambling and are of a religion that doesn't believe in gambling?

I am not a Muslim but I think there is no penalty for who is gambling, but if the public can know, maybe it will cause a public shame to the person. The punishment will depend on the country or state law.

[Hispo]

From what I understand when comes to Islam the currency or the asset one uses to gamble does not matter at all on the fact gambling is Haram and would continue to be Haram, as one is wagering money on a random result, which of course neither of the parties involved have any power on. At least that is my impression, someone who is actually a Muslim could give a better explanation on how gambling is supposedly regulated and enforced/forbidden in the Islamic nations.
In my case, most people here in my country are Christian and Catholic, even if our religion discourages gambling and we are taught to avoid partaking on it, people in general do not make a big deal out of it, in general it is only a problem if those who are caught gambling are religious leaders of a community who usually say people is not supposed to gamble and yet they turn out to be victims of their own hypocrisy.
This more or less a free country so anyone can do whatever they want with their hard earned money, one of those things is to gamble, it is one of the advantages to live in a place where the state does not have an official religion but is more concerned on people to have their rights, at least on paper.

I think I have read some attempts to circumvent the teaching of the Koran some way, so people of Islamic country can wager, but to this day I am not sure that is possible, it would certainly open a big market and much money would be done by casinos, so I assume they will be still people trying for many years.

[Hirose UK]

Gambling is still gambling and will never be accepted by all existing religions and the involvement of religious communities in gambling is their own responsibility to their God who they believe will provide everything including punishment if this is what is being discussed about religion and gambling.
But in reality, many people gamble even though they have religion that prohibits gambling and there are also many gamblers who still gamble even though they live in country that clearly prohibits gambling activities.
Prohibitions and rules are indeed given to everyone, but everyone has the right to decide on their own path in life and of course they must be prepared for the consequences that occur for all the activities they undertake.

Regarding gambling with crypto, it has nothing to do with whether it is haram or not because the use of crypto is only as means of determining the value of the currency used for betting.
It difficult to understand how there are people who have thoughts like that, I am also gambler who also adheres to one of my religious beliefs and I know that gambling is prohibited.
No one can really understand and obey the rules about gambling because they think gambling doesn't harm anyone and they do it because it fun.