Crypto gambling and religious restrictions

[blckhawk]

To me, this isn't an issue that should've been cryptocurrency problem because I do think that this is an individual issue about that individual's faith because I do believe that's how it should be dealt with, remember that a man of faith that sins isn't really a man of faith in the first place so they'll be doing any way they can gamble even without cryptocurrency, it just happens that cryptocurrency is here so they're doing that and making crypto as a scapegoat for their own sins.

[Wexnident]

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I don't really think it circumvents the rule itself. Sure the laws or whatever that fellow religious members impose can be circumvented, but the idea itself isn't since gambling is gambling no matter the medium. Using crypto in itself isn't anything illegal though since it's not gambling. Same with the idea of earning it via bounties since those are a sort of job ish thing? Sweepstakes I have no idea since afaik aren't sweepstakes similar to lotteries?

Anyway most people who probably impose the rules in religious settings are still undecided about things which is odd really since gambling is gambling. It'd be kind of dumb if the activity itself was described by the medium used instead of the, well, activity.

[rahmad2nd]

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So what do you think about this? Does gambling with crypto mean that laws about gambling being Haram don't apply all the time?
I was thinking that of crypto is earned outside of one's regular job, for example as a reward for activities such as bounties or sweepstakes, then maybe gambling with these earnings insta Haram?

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To be honest, I'm usually always reluctant to involve gambling and religion. whether it's fiat gambling, or crypto gambling. in this thread, I tried to find the essence of what you said. unfortunately, I didn't find the essence of what you said in this post. so, forgive me. Well, whatever theory you say, these things have no effect at all if we relate them to a belief, whatever the belief, and it all has its fundamentals. in essence, it is not what is used as a tool for playing or betting. likewise with crypto, or others. all will refer to the essential values ​​and prohibitions that have been regulated in such a way by a book that is embraced and believed by religious communities all over this earth. out there, or in several other Muslim countries, crypto is also classified as a part that can be haram or prohibited. well, if we try to discuss and relate gambling to any religion, in fact there are fundamentals that become a straight thread that leads to the law of cause and effect.

In general, the point is that the ideas you say are contradictory if we relate them to religion. especially, if we examine it in depth. but the point I'm making is not to argue against it. I just want to say, if it's good for you, us, me, then do it. most importantly, no one is harmed by what we do. for me, it's as simple as that, matters of faith are matters that involve an individual in his God. it has nothing to do with the gambling we do, because it is all our responsibility and personal business. I mean, it's all up to us who want to have fun. moreover, if we don't harm anyone, why not? also, in religion it is important not to harm ourselves. well, if anyone doesn't like my statement, I'm sorry because I'm not an expert on this, I'm just saying it from my personal point of view.

[maydna]

In Islam, gambling is still a sin, even if they use crypto. But people still gamble for many reasons, which is up to each person's decision. Crypto is like money, which is a tool to be used as payment. When crypto is used for gambling, like those who use fiat, it is haram. We don't know the religious laws or regulations in each country. But if a country allows gambling, people can gamble using crypto or fiat even though, religiously, this is prohibited. And gambling is each individual's choice, so if he knows that his religion prohibits gambling, but he still decides to gamble, that's up to him.

[Findingnemo]

Crypto itself is called as Haram by some people so I don't think they accept gambling in any form but from an individual's perspective it's their choice and its good as long as it's done with discretion and not harming anyone including you.

I don't know about many people but people who I know say that they won't do gambling irrespective of their religion but when we get to know them closer they at least did once even so everyone has their dark side which they don't want to reveal to anyone.

[piebeyb]

Of course, there are various people in this forum who adhere to their religion and there are also those who do not adhere to their religion, there are even many who don't have a religion, but talking about legal issues in a particular religion seems unethical to discuss it here because maybe we will get comments on the pros and cons that might also touch on other religions, the point is that it all comes back to their own understanding.

I don't really think that it is a job that is haram because everything is hired based on hard work, for example being paid as a campaign participant and not entirely gambling, but that doesn't mean it is also called a halal job because it is haram and halal, you have to really understand the knowledge, I I'm sure not many people feel confident about their understanding of religion here, do it as long as it's good for you and leave it if it's actually not good for you, everything comes back to your own views and understanding. 

[len01]

as far as I know, muslims do not prohibit or do not consider crypto to be haram, but gambling may still be considered something that violates religious rules.
but in fact, most of the muslims in the city that I know of also gamble using fiat or crypto even though there is a ban, but they only consider this as entertainment and in fact there are still pros and cons regarding whether gambling using crypto is haram or not, which is certain as long as the gambler doesn't. hurting others and gambling using one's own budget is fine.

on the one hand, there are still many muslim gamblers who, when they get a big win, donate most of their winnings to give to the less fortunate or the poor.
what is certain is that I dont really want to understand things like this even though my religion is against gambling but still gambling is just entertainment and if someone said in front of me that gambling is sinful and haram I would answer "then what about muslims who trade in crypto".

[Weawant]

Talking with someone that is Muslim yesterday, it was suggested to me that many Muslims around the world might be using crypto to circumvent the strict treatment of gambling in predominantly Muslim countries.

It was an interesting concept to consider that since crypto can be used to conceal your spending, it is probably also used by people who want to gamble to avoid the consequences based on religious practices.

But the more interesting side of this is that some probably interpret gambling with crypto as permissible under religious rules. Not exactly 100% approved let's say but not explicitly forbidden either.

So what do you think about this? Does gambling with crypto mean that laws about gambling being Haram don't apply all the time?
I was thinking that of crypto is earned outside of one's regular job, for example as a reward for activities such as bounties or sweepstakes, then maybe gambling with these earnings insta Haram?

These concepts are interesting to me because most Christian people like me, while having our religion dictate that gambling is a very serious sin, most do it anyway. Basically most christians aren't very pious at all and don't follow religion rules at least in my experience. So using loopholes to circumvent religious rules when your country even endorsed certain casinos isn't needed that much. So it's interesting to observe these differences.

I see this as just creating an excuses outside the religious frame to make you gamble with your conscience believing or convincing your self that you are not doing something wrong but then it's important to understand that cryptocurrency are still valued financially so the equivalent is same as using your money to gamble so they are all the same thing.

These cryptocurrency are literally earned, some persons work for it while some other are given as rewards so it will not make any sense to see it as not been a form of financial involvement in gambling hence it exclueds you from the fact that you are gambling on religious grounds, I see that as self decit because if you win while gambling with crypto, the next line of action is withdrawal which is later valued in your local currency a d the proceed thereof is used for your self so you gambled and if religiously it's considered a sin you are a sinner because you did sinned.

[coin-investor]

So what do you think about this? Does gambling with crypto mean that laws about gambling being Haram don't apply all the time?
I was thinking that of crypto is earned outside of one's regular job, for example as a reward for activities such as bounties or sweepstakes, then maybe gambling with these earnings insta Haram?

These concepts are interesting to me because most Christian people like me, while having our religion dictate that gambling is a very serious sin, most do it anyway. Basically most christians aren't very pious at all and don't follow religion rules at least in my experience. So using loopholes to circumvent religious rules when your country even endorsed certain casinos isn't needed that much. So it's interesting to observe these differences.

I am a Christian and we have a saying here in our doctrine that you cannot serve two masters you will hate one and love the other one if you prioritize gambling more than church activity then you are serving your vice more than your religion, it's ok to gamble if you're a religious guy as long it will not hinder your obligation as a Christian and you only use money that you can afford to lose.
The bottom line here is you know your priority you treat gambling as a form of entertainment and you do your obligation as a Christian so with this the Lord is indeed your master and your gambling activity is something you can do away with anytime.

[SmartGold01]

Why most of them find cryptocurrency as the best means of transaction while gambling,  is because of the core feature of cryptocurrency which is privacy and security,  so this made cryptocurrency to be the most preferred for those in that region and in such conditions.

Does privacy really matter nowadays?
I think that is the reason they are doing that, if privacy is the priority of using cryptocurrency then why are they still requesting for people's personal data while gambling or making deposit. To me I can say it is the simplest and easiest way to use in gambling but for about privacy I don't think we are still maintaining privacy anymore even cryptocurrency exchange do asked for people's personal data before they could execute any activity in their site and we still talks about privacy except for the decentralized gambling platform.

However, it always advisable to avoid some form of religious discussion and that is personal and we should don't try to put other's people religion down there to talk about them I believe this is a sensitive discussion and shouldn't be deliberated over here, we have forms of people and even as that the two major religion do gamble but to start talking about them is something that mostly bring about disagreement between two or more people.

[Blitzboy]

A thought-provoking point, isnt it? Its truly awe how cryptocurrency, gambling, and religion all come together. One the one hand, gambling is explicitly forbidden by Islam. Then, however, crypto appears, all subtle and sly. Is it actually a casino scenario? Its not exactly your typical one.

The truth is, I believe it all comes down to your perspective on your faith and its precepts. Perhaps obtaining cryptocurrency through legitimate means (such as bounties) differs from conventional gambling. However, isnt the excitement of taking a chance still present? Its as if you're reinterpreting or bending the rules?

In my opinion, responsible gambling is fine as long as it doesnt go against your basic values. You do realize your limitations, dont you? Regardless of your faith - Christian, Muslim, or otherwise - the goal is to find the ideal place to balance enjoyment with religion without going too far. Just my opinions!

[reagansimms]

In the Islamic concept, gambling is haram, it is not stated in detail that it is haram when you use fiat money but it is allowed with crypto. The law still applies whether using fiat or crypto, the wishes of each individual who continues to gamble is their own business. When you find the fact that gambling is against religion but continue to do it, it becomes a matter between you and your god. It needs to be underlined, not all Muslims adhere to the teachings of their religion. They will continue to gamble even though their religion prohibits it.

[Rufsilf]

I don't think that the bible forbids gambling, and as a Christian with many friends, some of them enjoy it. Except in cases where you commit a grave error, such as holding anger toward someone as you gamble and even consider killing them, being able to steal money from your fellow citizens can be a grave mistake. You will as a result bear a heavy price and be required to pay it back forever.

My Muslim buddy told me that anything that could be harmful to the body is regarded as Haram. I have encountered Muslims in my country who seek fair trade and honest employment. For this reason, they do not gamble, instead, fishing is their primary source of income. However, I have also witnessed other people who, despite the fact that it is against their faith, continue to engage in prohibited behavior. One tactic they use to avoid being discovered by other Muslims is to travel to areas with a large number of Christians who reside in that area and no Muslim neighbors. That way, they can then do as they like, including drinking and, of course, gambling.

Religion, in my opinion, may help us understand the kind of people we are since it serves as our means of discipline.

[noormcs5]

In the Islamic concept, gambling is haram, it is not stated in detail that it is haram when you use fiat money but it is allowed with crypto. The law still applies whether using fiat or crypto, the wishes of each individual who continues to gamble is their own business. When you find the fact that gambling is against religion but continue to do it, it becomes a matter between you and your god. It needs to be underlined, not all Muslims adhere to the teachings of their religion. They will continue to gamble even though their religion prohibits it.

How can you say that gambling becomes legal with you use Crypto and it becomes illegal when we use the fiat money? I guess it should be legal or illegal regardless of which medium of currency you use to gamble.

I think this topic has been touched on many times in the past and it is obvious that in the religions where it is not allowed, the people of that religion should not be playing gambling and be restricted towards it. But still if they play, no one can stop them as it is a religious belief and it shows how much a person is near to the God and how much spirituality exists in the person.

[Beparanf]

So what do you think about this? Does gambling with crypto mean that laws about gambling being Haram don't apply all the time?
I was thinking that of crypto is earned outside of one's regular job, for example as a reward for activities such as bounties or sweepstakes, then maybe gambling with these earnings insta Haram?

Gambling is still gambling no matter what currency you are using. Gambling is not about the currency but the act of wanting to earn in quicker way by risking your own money for a chance to gain profit because this shows greediness which is the one that is forbidden with their religion.

The only time your example will be possible if the player use a currency that doesn’t have real value because this will turn into regular game instead of gambling because there’s no real money involved.

[Rabata]

Every religion has prohibited those acts which make human life miserable. I think gambling is illegal in every religion. But not having good knowledge about all religions, I cannot properly express any opinion on it. If gambling is made illegal then gambling with crypto or gambling in exchange for anything will be illegal. I don't know if there is any difference in gambling by crypto or fiat currency. The main point is that whoever has his religion should have knowledge about it. Moreover, he has to be responsible for any wrongdoing. If one wants to practice religion properly then he must follow the rules of that religion. But most people gamble after knowing everything.

[Wiwo]

Why most of them find cryptocurrency as the best means of transaction while gambling,  is because of the core feature of cryptocurrency which is privacy and security,  so this made cryptocurrency to be the most preferred for those in that region and in such conditions.

Does privacy really matter nowadays?
I think that is the reason they are doing that, if privacy is the priority of using cryptocurrency then why are they still requesting for people's personal data while gambling or making deposit. To me I can say it is the simplest and easiest way to use in gambling but for about privacy I don't think we are still maintaining privacy anymore even cryptocurrency exchange do asked for people's personal data before they could execute any activity in their site and we still talks about privacy except for the decentralized gambling platform.

However, it always advisable to avoid some form of religious discussion and that is personal and we should don't try to put other's people religion down there to talk about them I believe this is a sensitive discussion and shouldn't be deliberated over here, we have forms of people and even as that the two major religion do gamble but to start talking about them is something that mostly bring about disagreement between two or more people.

The fact is that,  those gambler from such restricted area are not allowed to play on centralized casinos because due to they regional law,  those casinos may be banned in such places,  but still those from that regions will still fine they way to play games on decentralized casinos and at that point,  there may not be need for KYC data collection and for that,  they will be able to play under highest privacy.

Or some will even risk using a VPN to bypass the restrictions and also will be willing to dump the account if they are asked to pass through the KYC process.

[Juse14]

Islam is a religion that strongly opposes all forms of gambling, whether it is gambling affiliated with crypto, online gambling, offline gambling. Islam considers gambling to be an activity that can cause harm.

And I am a Muslim, I like to gamble... I know that this is an act that is not permitted by religion and it is haram for me to gamble.. I do not justify that the gambling activity that I do is good, on the grounds that gambling can gives me pleasure... I know very well that this is wrong and can be detrimental. So why am I still gambling? Yes because I like it... no other reason. Sin matters are borne by each individual. The most important thing is that I don't invite other people to do the same thing, namely gambling.

[Unbunplease]

Personally, I believe that there should be no restrictions over a person. Gambling is a breath of freedom and an opportunity to get away from the harsh reality (if you do not get into debt and do not lose more than the amount you have predetermined for yourself as a stop value). The main limitation is the success of your actions (if you are always losing and going into debt, the answer is obvious).

[Saint-loup]

You are not wrong. Nowhere in the bible that points to gambling to be a sin. Only what bible pointed to is the love of money which is the root of evil. As long as you gamble responsibly and not hurting anyone, it is not a sin. But if you ask a pastor if gambling is a sin, likely the pastor will point to the love of money is the root of evil and how gambling can lead to unwanted happenings like losing money. They will advice people not to gamble, not because it is in bible, because it is not in the bible.

If a priest or a pastor says that, he's wrong in my opinion, because gambling is not the only activity using money. Merchants try to earn money by selling goods, so we could also say they love money too much and celebrate the worship of lucre and the cult of Mammon. Gamblers don't like money so much otherwise they would be too much afraid of losing it for playing it, gamblers just like to gamble actually. Gambling can be dangerous if you are addict and if you have a family needing the money you gamble to live. But if you only play with what you can afford to lose, I don't see any problem. Doing things making you happy, is good for you and for your entourage.