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January 01, 2024, 01:06:51 PM
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To me, this isn't an issue that should've been cryptocurrency problem because I do think that this is an individual issue about that individual's faith because I do believe that's how it should be dealt with, remember that a man of faith that sins isn't really a man of faith in the first place so they'll be doing any way they can gamble even without cryptocurrency, it just happens that cryptocurrency is here so they're doing that and making crypto as a scapegoat for their own sins.
Even in other things. They are created because they have a primary use. The sad thing is that they are being blamed only because people who misused and over use them. Or they use it even if there are restrictions on their place, country and religion.

Speaking of religion, many people can, area, or a country can get involved with it. So it's not just what we call an individual issue, as that sounds you are talking about one person only. A man of faith on the other hand, can mean that he is faithful. It can be to their god, but I think they are still sinners, even if they don't commit one but right after they are born. That is what I read in the bible before.

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January 01, 2024, 01:14:00 PM
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Crypto isn't made to circumvent, it's a development in technology, and we are bound to adopt it.
Touchy subject but all over the world everyone gambles and we just set aside religion for a moment as it's not so bad to have fun for a bit. And the government is allowing the country to have some sort of a sin city where we can have fun and gamble and it's allowed.  Have some humanity. Can't Religion forgive a soul whose intention is to enjoy life?   Grin

Lol if you want to follow religion to the last tenets of it, it doesn't support gambling whether for the intent of fun or whatever, because it was demonstrated in the synagogue when Jesus Christ chased some gamblers away and scattering their gambling materials even though it was in the church but it shows it is not a virtue for those known with the religion. And this is the case also of Muslim religion . A man that upholds his religious faith try to stay away from gambling.
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January 01, 2024, 01:34:21 PM
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So what do you think about this? Does gambling with crypto mean that laws about gambling being Haram don't apply all the time?
I was thinking that of crypto is earned outside of one's regular job, for example as a reward for activities such as bounties or sweepstakes, then maybe gambling with these earnings insta Haram?

You either are Muslim and accept this or you're not and openly say that you prefer a different religion. This reminds me of that video where a guy slips and eats a meal falls into his mouth during Ramadan and the guy casually asks if he should continue fasting. There's no half measures here, you either accept the rules or you don't.
Another thing that makes me laugh is women who say they're still virgin because they were once with a man but it was long ago and a mistake, so this is like they're starting their life once again.
I'm not Muslim, but I'd be honest with myself and other people and if I wanted to gamble when my religion doesn't allow it I'd choose one of them.

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January 01, 2024, 01:43:56 PM
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So what do you think about this? Does gambling with crypto mean that laws about gambling being Haram don't apply all the time?
I was thinking that of crypto is earned outside of one's regular job, for example as a reward for activities such as bounties or sweepstakes, then maybe gambling with these earnings insta Haram?

You either are Muslim and accept this or you're not and openly say that you prefer a different religion. This reminds me of that video where a guy slips and eats a meal falls into his mouth during Ramadan and the guy casually asks if he should continue fasting. There are no half-measures here, you either accept the rules or you don't.
Another thing that makes me laugh is women who say they're still virgins because they were once with a man but it was long ago and a mistake, so this is like they're starting their life once again.
I'm not Muslim, but I'd be honest with myself and other people and if I wanted to gamble when my religion doesn't allow it I'd choose one of them.
In my country, we have Muslims and other religions that gamble and for sure the thing depends on individual differences because what you do as a religious practice is still by individual acceptance of them,  and if you choose to gamble,  your religion can't restrict you because religion is made for man,  and not man-made for religion,  so for that, every religion,  cultural or ethnicity believes are still subject to the individual's acceptance.

And the wider it gains acceptance the more the law gains legitimacy among the people,  so for sure if some segment of religion restricts public gambling,  then the citizens should avoid it or violate the law and be ready to evade being punished by the law if caught.
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January 01, 2024, 01:52:51 PM
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These concepts are interesting to me because most Christian people like me, while having our religion dictate that gambling is a very serious sin, most do it anyway. Basically most christians aren't very pious at all and don't follow religion rules at least in my experience. So using loopholes to circumvent religious rules when your country even endorsed certain casinos isn't needed that much. So it's interesting to observe these differences.
Every religion has peculiar laws on gambling. Even within a religion, there are different interpretations of the content of the Holy Books. I know that gambling is forbidden in Islam regardless of the currency or goods that is used. Even if you use non-monetary materials to gamble, it is Haram in Islam. Some Christian creed accepts gambling, while others see it as a sin. For me, it will be better to obey the dictates of your religion based on the religious book.

My religious organisation sees gambling as immoral but I gamble because it is not forbidden by our religious book. I believe the head of my religious denomination is interpreting the book based on his view. I am looking for any loophole in my religion to gamble, as much as gambling doesn't conflict with my conscience, I will keep playing.     

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January 01, 2024, 02:03:18 PM
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Every religion has peculiar laws on gambling. Even within a religion, there are different interpretations of the content of the Holy Books. I know that gambling is forbidden in Islam regardless of the currency or goods that is used. Even if you use non-monetary materials to gamble, it is Haram in Islam. Some Christian creed accepts gambling, while others see it as a sin. For me, it will be better to obey the dictates of your religion based on the religious book.

My religious organisation sees gambling as immoral but I gamble because it is not forbidden by our religious book. I believe the head of my religious denomination is interpreting the book based on his view. I am looking for any loophole in my religion to gamble, as much as gambling doesn't conflict with my conscience, I will keep playing.    

It's essential to consider the interpretations of your religious book and the guidance provided by your religious denomination. Reflecting on the moral implications and potential conflicts with your conscience is also crucial.

How do you reconcile your personal beliefs with the official stance of your religious organization?
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January 01, 2024, 02:49:38 PM
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Every religion has peculiar laws on gambling. Even within a religion, there are different interpretations of the content of the Holy Books. I know that gambling is forbidden in Islam regardless of the currency or goods that is used. Even if you use non-monetary materials to gamble, it is Haram in Islam. Some Christian creed accepts gambling, while others see it as a sin. For me, it will be better to obey the dictates of your religion based on the religious book.

My religious organisation sees gambling as immoral but I gamble because it is not forbidden by our religious book. I believe the head of my religious denomination is interpreting the book based on his view. I am looking for any loophole in my religion to gamble, as much as gambling doesn't conflict with my conscience, I will keep playing.    

It's essential to consider the interpretations of your religious book and the guidance provided by your religious denomination. Reflecting on the moral implications and potential conflicts with your conscience is also crucial.

How do you reconcile your personal beliefs with the official stance of your religious organization?
When my religious organization tries to criticize me based on my personal beliefs I usually ask them to refer me to where it is written in the religious book that my actions are against the religious teachings. In most cases, they don't have any proof or reference. Most of these beliefs are based on personal interpretations of religious leaders. Another example is the consumption of alcohol by religious members. There is no reference in our Holy Book that using alcohol is immoral but this has been misconceived. I don't care what people preach but my relationship with my Creator.

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January 01, 2024, 04:12:08 PM
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When my religious organization tries to criticize me based on my personal beliefs I usually ask them to refer me to where it is written in the religious book that my actions are against the religious teachings. In most cases, they don't have any proof or reference. Most of these beliefs are based on personal interpretations of religious leaders. Another example is the consumption of alcohol by religious members. There is no reference in our Holy Book that using alcohol is immoral but this has been misconceived. I don't care what people preach but my relationship with my Creator.
When all must be connected to religion, in the end it will all be based on personal interpretation.
They seem to have authority in everything that includes morals and religious life,
so they consider everything a person does such as gambling to be a very negative thing.

Even though in real life what they do, including religious leaders, they are also not far away from a life that is like gambling.
Many deeds or jobs contain gambling, but they are impatient.

It is indeed about one's personal deeds, the most important thing is not to disturb others and not to have a negative impact on others.
What is dangerous is indeed when what one does adversely affect the environment and the lives of others.

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January 01, 2024, 05:59:55 PM
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In my country, we have Muslims and other religions that gamble and for sure the thing depends on individual differences because what you do as a religious practice is still by individual acceptance of them,  and if you choose to gamble,  your religion can't restrict you because religion is made for man,  and not man-made for religion,  so for that, every religion,  cultural or ethnicity believes are still subject to the individual's acceptance.

And the wider it gains acceptance the more the law gains legitimacy among the people,  so for sure if some segment of religion restricts public gambling,  then the citizens should avoid it or violate the law and be ready to evade being punished by the law if caught.

If the country was purely based on the Muslim religion will leads to a more ban law for the users in the gambling site.The game is the game,the people who considered the gambling as the game will play without consideration of the religious beliefs.But if the gambler was more orthodox to accept the religious beliefs without asking the question may leads to the same conclusion of quit the gambling without get to knowing the knowledge of the reason behind this opposition view for the gambling site.The better way to do the gambling without knowing the knowledge of the gambling will always leads to the loss.
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January 01, 2024, 06:20:31 PM
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Talking with someone that is Muslim yesterday, it was suggested to me that many Muslims around the world might be using crypto to circumvent the strict treatment of gambling in predominantly Muslim countries.

It was an interesting concept to consider that since crypto can be used to conceal your spending, it is probably also used by people who want to gamble to avoid the consequences based on religious practices.

But the more interesting side of this is that some probably interpret gambling with crypto as permissible under religious rules. Not exactly 100% approved let's say but not explicitly forbidden either.

So what do you think about this? Does gambling with crypto mean that laws about gambling being Haram don't apply all the time?
I was thinking that of crypto is earned outside of one's regular job, for example as a reward for activities such as bounties or sweepstakes, then maybe gambling with these earnings insta Haram?

These concepts are interesting to me because most Christian people like me, while having our religion dictate that gambling is a very serious sin, most do it anyway. Basically most christians aren't very pious at all and don't follow religion rules at least in my experience. So using loopholes to circumvent religious rules when your country even endorsed certain casinos isn't needed that much. So it's interesting to observe these differences.

People that claim to be religious do these things all the time and there is often great hypocrisy in their actions. You can find people that drink, smoke, steal, lie, commit adultery and all sorts of other "sins" in every religion and it's more common than you'd think, it's just hidden away out of the supposed shame it would bring. I also like how certain people, even here, try to prevent others talking about such things because it just highlights how very fake the followers can be. I personally prescribe to the belief that man should judge man, based on laws that were created around the moral code prevalent in the current time and not flake out to some gibberish that was written with little evidence many thousands of years ago.

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January 01, 2024, 06:39:28 PM
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We should not go about deceiving ourselves, if you're a kind of person that is being religious and then your religion practice does not permit for gambling then don't try to put things in your hands than going by what your beliefs are in what you practice, some see it as an illegal means of making money, so when you gamble, it's believed that you're extorting from someone to please your own self at other's expense, this is most of the wrong believe the religious people have towards gambling and I don't know if they are the ones implementing that or from their religious book and ethics.

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January 01, 2024, 09:42:57 PM
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We should not go about deceiving ourselves, if you're a kind of person that is being religious and then your religion practice does not permit for gambling then don't try to put things in your hands than going by what your beliefs are in what you practice, some see it as an illegal means of making money, so when you gamble, it's believed that you're extorting from someone to please your own self at other's expense, this is most of the wrong believe the religious people have towards gambling and I don't know if they are the ones implementing that or from their religious book and ethics.

It was said that there is no direct text written that states that gambling is a sin.  It is more likely an interpretation of one of the respected leader of the religion.  Since they believe that relying on luck and not with God is a sin.  Since gambling purely relies on luck, religious leader interpret it as gamblers not believing on the power of God  to make his financial capability stable.

People that claim to be religious do these things all the time and there is often great hypocrisy in their actions. You can find people that drink, smoke, steal, lie, commit adultery and all sorts of other "sins" in every religion and it's more common than you'd think, it's just hidden away out of the supposed shame it would bring. I also like how certain people, even here, try to prevent others talking about such things because it just highlights how very fake the followers can be. I personally prescribe to the belief that man should judge man, based on laws that were created around the moral code prevalent in the current time and not flake out to some gibberish that was written with little evidence many thousands of years ago.

Most religious leaders lie or exaggerate when they tell a story.  Drinking is not a sin, since even Jesus Christ turn water into a wine in order for the guest to have something to drink.  Being drunk is. 
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These concepts are interesting to me because most Christian people like me, while having our religion dictate that gambling is a very serious sin, most do it anyway. Basically most christians aren't very pious at all and don't follow religion rules at least in my experience. So using loopholes to circumvent religious rules when your country even endorsed certain casinos isn't needed that much. So it's interesting to observe these differences.
Gambling is preached to the world as sins by the same people that takes active part in the system and gambling as if they're weigh out of control and beyond the law. I must remind every single one person, no one is above the law and any rule violated, the victim will be punished according the law states and no depending on sentiments to settle quarrels and sins committed. But since everyone is hypocrites, we practice sin in our daily activities, remind you that there are certain activities that have become one or two part of Man on earth and quitting is weigh scheduled out of plan.

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The first thing to take note of is if the particular religion is against gambling In any manner, and of course a majority of religions do.
The fact that one doesn't gamble based on religious restrictions is quite biased. This is because a lot of the persons actually would gamble if not for the fact that their religion condemns it. And this is not supposed to be so.

Gambling is supposed to be a thing of choice and not some kind of commitment based on religion or culture. Occasionally I have met with a few religious persons who don't gamble just because of their religion and not because they don't like the act. and this is logically a biased abstinence.
It is also important to keep in mind that making mention of a particular religion like some persons do make mention of Islam wen it comes to rules like those against gambling, is unethical.

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These concepts are interesting to me because most Christian people like me, while having our religion dictate that gambling is a very serious sin, most do it anyway. Basically most christians aren't very pious at all and don't follow religion rules at least in my experience. So using loopholes to circumvent religious rules when your country even endorsed certain casinos isn't needed that much. So it's interesting to observe these differences.

It's all about moderation I'm also a Christian although the Church is very strict about gambling it's about having too much but if you treat it as a form of entertainment just like they do when you're watching a movie I don't think it will be considered as a grave sin, if you're spending more time than when you do on the church and you spend more then your donation to the church, you are putting gambling above your religion, so of if you don't want to feel guilty put the Church above gambling.
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Lol if you want to follow religion to the last tenets of it, it doesn't support gambling whether for the intent of fun or whatever, because it was demonstrated in the synagogue when Jesus Christ chased some gamblers away and scattering their gambling materials even though it was in the church but it shows it is not a virtue for those known with the religion. And this is the case also of Muslim religion . A man that upholds his religious faith try to stay away from gambling.
My guy, they're not gamblers that Jesus chased away, they were merchants I think. Also, there's nothing really wrong with gambling in my opinion when it comes to religious beliefs, sure they prohibit or outright disagree with it but if the interests of gambling industry and religious sects align like when there's donations or something like that, they're really lenient on it. I mean look at Muslim countries, they still got lottery in there even though gambling is illegal for their religion.
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There will be a long debate when discussing gambling and religion. Each person will have their own argument and perhaps no one will budge. But in any case, it will all come back to each person because even though they know that their religion prohibits gambling, maybe they will still return to gambling. After all, they can gamble in moderation and not to excess even though they know that their religion prohibits gambling.

And even if people gamble using crypto, it will still be prohibited by their religion but it still depends on the person. If they knew their religion prohibited gambling, they would never want to go near it. They are better off looking for other pleasures permitted by their religion. They don't want to have anything to do with something that is prohibited in their religion.

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It is difficult to link gambling with religion, because the two are contradictory, especially in Islam, the law is absolute, namely haram. So there is no reason whatsoever if gambling, both offline and online, remains haram, whether gambling with crypto or fiat remains haram. Gambling is individual only if it is associated with any religion. I think all religions are against gambling.

Because for a religion, gambling is seen as very destructive and dangerous entertainment. Indeed, gambling has existed in society for centuries and cannot be eliminated because there are still many people who need gambling to try their luck or just have fun. But religion definitely teaches goodness. In my country, where the majority of the population is Muslim, gambling is haram and the government does not legalize gambling, even though many people in my country gamble secretly.

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As said by another user earlier, there is a difference between laws set by a country and rules set by a religion, and one shouldn't compare these two or reach a conclusion about a religious rule based on a law within their country. So, a country that doesn't allow gambling might have laws about it that the citizens need to abide by, however, a religion and its rules might be completely different and may match or on some occasions contradict the rules of a country.

What I can say is that one cannot say that it's permissible to gamble with cryptocurrency even if their religion says it's a sin and isn't permissible. Crypto is just like money, the religion will never say that you are not allowed to gamble with a specific currency, but it says that it's not permissible to make a bet and win money from that bet and then use that money for food or whatever.

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So what do you think about this? Does gambling with crypto mean that laws about gambling being Haram don't apply all the time?
I was thinking that of crypto is earned outside of one's regular job, for example as a reward for activities such as bounties or sweepstakes, then maybe gambling with these earnings insta Haram?

These concepts are interesting to me because most Christian people like me, while having our religion dictate that gambling is a very serious sin, most do it anyway. Basically most christians aren't very pious at all and don't follow religion rules at least in my experience. So using loopholes to circumvent religious rules when your country even endorsed certain casinos isn't needed that much. So it's interesting to observe these differences.

I don't know about the Muslim way of betting since I am a Christian, gambling is inherent in a human being it is hard to stop the urge to gamble and not every Christian is a saint to restrict himself from gambling, so the best Christian can do is to not indulge too much on gambling, too much indulgent will make the hobby into a vice and this is something the Church forbid from his followers.
We have so many Christian sects here in our country so every sect has its interpretations of defining gambling based on their interpretation of what's on the Bible.
but usually goes down to moderation and not spending too much.

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