Mayweather vs Pacquiao II

[btc_angela]

This is where I have great disdain for the boxing world.  No longer are we in the "golden era" for boxing where we had all these great heavyweights like Tyson, Lewis, etc, but you had some solid mid to light weight fighters as well.  Then of course boxing fell off a cliff for quite some time.  Pac vs Mayweather should have happened the first time long ago when the sport needed it.  I absolutely despite Mayweather as he legitimately a horrible human being.  Even though its a day late and a dollar short I'll be watching and rooting for Pacman to destroy Mayweather. Maybe if he hits him hard enough he'll be able to read all of a sudden.

It's due as well to this promoters and boxing bodies that turn into a corrupt organizations. That's why we haven't seen the best fights, except maybe Manny when he was still in the lower weight class and fighting Mexican greats. But after that decade, boxing become soft in my opinion.

Organizations seems to be not implementing mandatories, they just allow promoters to pay them so that they will not impose it to their fighters. Turning into a business and so it lost some of appeal to the fans. Nevertheless if this two are going to fight again, for sure we will all love to see them do it again one more time.

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[Dave1]

It looks like this fight might likely to happen in the future,
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https://www.boxingscene.com/mayweather-hints-pacquiao-exhibition--181595
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Thanks for the link. So maybe it's not enough to call it "official" yet, but since Pacquiao and RIZIN's Chief Exec have confirmed it, and since Mayweather is not denying it, it's fair to assume the fight is at least pre-agreed and probably in a stage of contract negotiations. Or maybe the contract is already signed but they're just waiting to officially announce it closer to the date so the hype doesn't die out before the fight.
Both are willing to fight so it's only down to agreeing on the money.

And hopefully that both parties or teams wont really be that so greedy when it comes to share or their part so that this one would really be already fixed out.Tons of fans are really that waiting up for this rematch
and we do know that this is something that it is really that interesting to watch despite of being an exhibition fight and not official since both are retired but it would really be always nice to see
these legends to fight inside the ring on which we havent been able to see on whose the better guy.Yes, MP had been beaten up by Mayweather but that one isnt really that something
satisfying win. Right?

They will be greedy for sure, because it's all about the money that they can generate and that's why both parties are willing to do it. And I think that's their motivation here, it's more on the financial side now as compare to who is the best of their generation and it has been debated for many years since they retire, Mayweather's 50-0 undefeated, or Pacman's record of 8 divisional champion that has never been done before.

I saw in one thread that Canelo is commanding $35 million in his next fight. So what's more here? Most likely it could be in the tune of $50 million guaranteed each of them. So definitely, there are a lot of money to be made and it could really make profits for Rizin too if they are the one who is going to make this fight.

[OgNasty]

This is where I have great disdain for the boxing world.  No longer are we in the "golden era" for boxing where we had all these great heavyweights like Tyson, Lewis, etc, but you had some solid mid to light weight fighters as well.  Then of course boxing fell off a cliff for quite some time.  Pac vs Mayweather should have happened the first time long ago when the sport needed it.  I absolutely despite Mayweather as he legitimately a horrible human being.  Even though its a day late and a dollar short I'll be watching and rooting for Pacman to destroy Mayweather. Maybe if he hits him hard enough he'll be able to read all of a sudden.

It's due as well to this promoters and boxing bodies that turn into a corrupt organizations. That's why we haven't seen the best fights, except maybe Manny when he was still in the lower weight class and fighting Mexican greats. But after that decade, boxing become soft in my opinion.

Organizations seems to be not implementing mandatories, they just allow promoters to pay them so that they will not impose it to their fighters. Turning into a business and so it lost some of appeal to the fans. Nevertheless if this two are going to fight again, for sure we will all love to see them do it again one more time.

I think it also has to do with the sport's popularity suffering as a result of the rise in popularity of the UFC.  Most people don't know who the big up and coming boxers are and aren't even able to tell you who the current champions are.  As a result, people in the boxing business have had to resort to throwing whatever name the public will recognize out there in hopes of earning a payday.  I suspect it will get worse until another Mike Tyson comes along and reinvigorates the sport.

[Lanatsa]

It looks like this fight might likely to happen in the future,
(...)
https://www.boxingscene.com/mayweather-hints-pacquiao-exhibition--181595
(...)

Thanks for the link. So maybe it's not enough to call it "official" yet, but since Pacquiao and RIZIN's Chief Exec have confirmed it, and since Mayweather is not denying it, it's fair to assume the fight is at least pre-agreed and probably in a stage of contract negotiations. Or maybe the contract is already signed but they're just waiting to officially announce it closer to the date so the hype doesn't die out before the fight.
Both are willing to fight so it's only down to agreeing on the money.

And hopefully that both parties or teams wont really be that so greedy when it comes to share or their part so that this one would really be already fixed out.Tons of fans are really that waiting up for this rematch
and we do know that this is something that it is really that interesting to watch despite of being an exhibition fight and not official since both are retired but it would really be always nice to see
these legends to fight inside the ring on which we havent been able to see on whose the better guy.Yes, MP had been beaten up by Mayweather but that one isnt really that something
satisfying win. Right?

They will be greedy for sure, because it's all about the money that they can generate and that's why both parties are willing to do it. And I think that's their motivation here, it's more on the financial side now as compare to who is the best of their generation and it has been debated for many years since they retire, Mayweather's 50-0 undefeated, or Pacman's record of 8 divisional champion that has never been done before.

I saw in one thread that Canelo is commanding $35 million in his next fight. So what's more here? Most likely it could be in the tune of $50 million guaranteed each of them. So definitely, there are a lot of money to be made and it could really make profits for Rizin too if they are the one who is going to make this fight.

We do know that boxing is still business then it would be no surprise that they would really be having those deals and its likely that they would be having that 50% split up.
Just like been said above that both are already retired so it wont be that shocking they will really be that focusing on how much they would be making out on this fight since we know that
this is really a hyped fight on which most boxing fans are longing for.

Did look out for some information on that tentative fight which stated on here.
Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. are geared for a boxing rematch in 2024. Pacquiao unveiled the fight plans live at RIZIN 45 on December 31
https://www.si.com/fannation/mma/boxing/boxing-news-manny-pacquiao-vs-floyd-mayweather-fight-announced-for-2024

[Casdinyard]

They will be greedy for sure, because it's all about the money that they can generate and that's why both parties are willing to do it. And I think that's their motivation here, it's more on the financial side now as compare to who is the best of their generation and it has been debated for many years since they retire, Mayweather's 50-0 undefeated, or Pacman's record of 8 divisional champion that has never been done before.

I saw in one thread that Canelo is commanding $35 million in his next fight. So what's more here? Most likely it could be in the tune of $50 million guaranteed each of them. So definitely, there are a lot of money to be made and it could really make profits for Rizin too if they are the one who is going to make this fight.

You still couldn't deny the bad-blood side of things. On one hand we got someone who fought by the book and won in technicalities and another side who thought they got cheated out of their supposedly final and most monumental win, and a massive dent at the opponent's record.

Ever wondered why despite the fact that the Mayweather vs. Pacquiao fight's advertised by many sports network as the last fight for Pacquiao before he hang his gloves, only to come back to boxing a couple more times until last 2022? Because he's a lost sheep. He wanted to fight Mayweather, got a taste of it, and instead of getting his self-actualization what he instead received is a pack-full of self-doubt and a hole in his wallet. He fought other fighters afterwards to chase the high and probably find the same actualized feeling by beating other fighters but it just won't do. He needs to fight Mayweather and beat him this time. Which is why there's a huge chance this fight's gonna happen.

Add to that the fact that he's got a lot of time in his hands now that he's not running for Presidency, and his plea to be allowed to participate in the Olympics despite the age limit is denied, and we got a solid chance at seeing these two folks pit it out again soon.

[Dave1]

They will be greedy for sure, because it's all about the money that they can generate and that's why both parties are willing to do it. And I think that's their motivation here, it's more on the financial side now as compare to who is the best of their generation and it has been debated for many years since they retire, Mayweather's 50-0 undefeated, or Pacman's record of 8 divisional champion that has never been done before.

I saw in one thread that Canelo is commanding $35 million in his next fight. So what's more here? Most likely it could be in the tune of $50 million guaranteed each of them. So definitely, there are a lot of money to be made and it could really make profits for Rizin too if they are the one who is going to make this fight.

You still couldn't deny the bad-blood side of things. On one hand we got someone who fought by the book and won in technicalities and another side who thought they got cheated out of their supposedly final and most monumental win, and a massive dent at the opponent's record.

Ever wondered why despite the fact that the Mayweather vs. Pacquiao fight's advertised by many sports network as the last fight for Pacquiao before he hang his gloves, only to come back to boxing a couple more times until last 2022? Because he's a lost sheep. He wanted to fight Mayweather, got a taste of it, and instead of getting his self-actualization what he instead received is a pack-full of self-doubt and a hole in his wallet. He fought other fighters afterwards to chase the high and probably find the same actualized feeling by beating other fighters but it just won't do. He needs to fight Mayweather and beat him this time. Which is why there's a huge chance this fight's gonna happen.

It was only the many sports networks that might have advertised it, but as fans we all know that Manny will be back despite that lost he had with Floyd and he actually did and guess what, he won against Thurman and become the oldest 147 lbs champion. So he had accomplished things after that defeat from Floyd and so I didn't think that he had open doors for Manny or the so called self-actualization that you are referring to.

Pacquiao was named as the Fighter of the Decade for years 2000–2009 by the Boxing Writers Association of America (BWAA).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing_career_of_Manny_Pacquiao

So he had accomplished a lot of things before fighting Floyd. This is exhibition fight, nothing will be recorded in their pro record as far as I know.

This is for the fans and obviously, they will get a lot of money too.

[Psynthax]

This is where I have great disdain for the boxing world.  No longer are we in the "golden era" for boxing where we had all these great heavyweights like Tyson, Lewis, etc, but you had some solid mid to light weight fighters as well.  Then of course boxing fell off a cliff for quite some time.  Pac vs Mayweather should have happened the first time long ago when the sport needed it.  I absolutely despite Mayweather as he legitimately a horrible human being.  Even though its a day late and a dollar short I'll be watching and rooting for Pacman to destroy Mayweather. Maybe if he hits him hard enough he'll be able to read all of a sudden.

It's due as well to this promoters and boxing bodies that turn into a corrupt organizations. That's why we haven't seen the best fights, except maybe Manny when he was still in the lower weight class and fighting Mexican greats. But after that decade, boxing become soft in my opinion.

Organizations seems to be not implementing mandatories, they just allow promoters to pay them so that they will not impose it to their fighters. Turning into a business and so it lost some of appeal to the fans. Nevertheless if this two are going to fight again, for sure we will all love to see them do it again one more time.

seriously these boxing worlds really need big fights again, mayweather is just stomping the small guys these days not even remotely fun anymore only if things are different and the legends are still in action.
even though there are many stars and we all know that manny are only up for political things these days still doesn't even remotely revive the hypes like it was before when manny was still fighting.
personally I was always fan of him but alas i don't expect him to make a comeback regardless.
I think he just stays with politics and not gonna make a come back after all ages also plays a big role here.

[Fundamentals Of]

There are confusions as to whether this exhibition fight is going to happen or not. At first this was just a rumor but then I read some news that Pacquiao actually revealed that a negotiation is happening away from the media for this fight. But then Mayweather came out all of a sudden accusing the Pacquiao camp of revealing what was agreed in the contract to be kept secret until it is officially announced. So now it seems the negotiations are falling apart. We will hear in the coming days whether this will push through or not.

[Russlenat]

There are confusions as to whether this exhibition fight is going to happen or not. At first this was just a rumor but then I read some news that Pacquiao actually revealed that a negotiation is happening away from the media for this fight. But then Mayweather came out all of a sudden accusing the Pacquiao camp of revealing what was agreed in the contract to be kept secret until it is officially announced. So now it seems the negotiations are falling apart. We will hear in the coming days whether this will push through or not.

Just believe that it will push through. Mayweather doesn't need to do that; he knows he's getting a huge amount of money in this fight, so he'll make this happen. What we read are just some rumors trying to hype the fight more. They know it will attract the crowd, but knowing Mayweather, he is good at attracting the attention of the fans, either loyal to him or his haters. This guy is undoubtedly very good at marketing a fight in a unique way.

[Fundamentals Of]

There are confusions as to whether this exhibition fight is going to happen or not. At first this was just a rumor but then I read some news that Pacquiao actually revealed that a negotiation is happening away from the media for this fight. But then Mayweather came out all of a sudden accusing the Pacquiao camp of revealing what was agreed in the contract to be kept secret until it is officially announced. So now it seems the negotiations are falling apart. We will hear in the coming days whether this will push through or not.

Just believe that it will push through. Mayweather doesn't need to do that; he knows he's getting a huge amount of money in this fight, so he'll make this happen. What we read are just some rumors trying to hype the fight more. They know it will attract the crowd, but knowing Mayweather, he is good at attracting the attention of the fans, either loyal to him or his haters. This guy is undoubtedly very good at marketing a fight in a unique way.

I'm not even sure if I wanted this fight to push through. In the first place this is not going to be a very competitive match because this is just an exhibition match. Although some pride and honor are probably at stake because they have a past and they might not have completely moved on from it, especially Pacquiao since he was defeated, I think this is not going to be as heated as when they were still professionals who are hungry of wins. I think the most loyal fans of both fighters are the ones who will take this match very seriously.

[pawel7777]

There are confusions as to whether this exhibition fight is going to happen or not. At first this was just a rumor but then I read some news that Pacquiao actually revealed that a negotiation is happening away from the media for this fight. But then Mayweather came out all of a sudden accusing the Pacquiao camp of revealing what was agreed in the contract to be kept secret until it is officially announced. So now it seems the negotiations are falling apart. We will hear in the coming days whether this will push through or not.

The fight is most likely pre-agreed and in the contract negotiations phase, although it's possible that the contract is already signed and they're just waiting for the right time to announce it officially.
When Many Pacquiao first told the world about it, he went silent, paused and looked at N. Sakakibara (the CEO of Rizin) for approval and think he got a green light from him. So it's not quite like Many or his team blabbed about it.
There's zero chance the agreement would fall through just because it was (allegedly) announced too soon. If they fail to sign the contract, it'll probably be the money issues.

On a second thought, it might have been a "controlled leaked" of a sort, just to test if this will spark a lot of interest from the public. I think it did.

[TravelMug]

There are confusions as to whether this exhibition fight is going to happen or not. At first this was just a rumor but then I read some news that Pacquiao actually revealed that a negotiation is happening away from the media for this fight. But then Mayweather came out all of a sudden accusing the Pacquiao camp of revealing what was agreed in the contract to be kept secret until it is officially announced. So now it seems the negotiations are falling apart. We will hear in the coming days whether this will push through or not.

Just believe that it will push through. Mayweather doesn't need to do that; he knows he's getting a huge amount of money in this fight, so he'll make this happen. What we read are just some rumors trying to hype the fight more. They know it will attract the crowd, but knowing Mayweather, he is good at attracting the attention of the fans, either loyal to him or his haters. This guy is undoubtedly very good at marketing a fight in a unique way.

I'm not even sure if I wanted this fight to push through. In the first place this is not going to be a very competitive match because this is just an exhibition match. Although some pride and honor are probably at stake because they have a past and they might not have completely moved on from it, especially Pacquiao since he was defeated, I think this is not going to be as heated as when they were still professionals who are hungry of wins. I think the most loyal fans of both fighters are the ones who will take this match very seriously.

When there are a lot of money in the line, I think this fight is going to happen. The Japanese backers, Rizin is willing to shoulder it, so what the 2 boxers will do is so called train and hype the fight just like what they did the first time. And there are fans that are still willing to see and buy the tickets, meaning there are still demand despite how many years that both of them are retired professionally. Although Floyd is the more busier, having a lot of exhibitions and he is the one started the whole trend of former boxers/MMA coming out of retirement and then doing exhibition fight for the money. Casual fans might also still think that they want to see this fight happening, even if this is just for exhibition.

[sunsilk]

There are confusions as to whether this exhibition fight is going to happen or not.

It's been announced long before the actual date and they've got their own commitments so it's truly hard to say if this is going to happen or not. With that, it's always been Floyd setting the condition about their share and I think that MP has been charged with millions for just saying his name as it violates the contract.

I am not sure with that but that's what I've read somewhere or it's just a bluff.

At first this was just a rumor but then I read some news that Pacquiao actually revealed that a negotiation is happening away from the media for this fight. But then Mayweather came out all of a sudden accusing the Pacquiao camp of revealing what was agreed in the contract to be kept secret until it is officially announced. So now it seems the negotiations are falling apart. We will hear in the coming days whether this will push through or not.

I think this was also part of the violation where MP has been charged with a lot of money. But, it's them that have to talk about it and they know that whether they fight or not, they'll still be part of the talks of the fans.

[pawel7777]

I think it also has to do with the sport's popularity suffering as a result of the rise in popularity of the UFC.  Most people don't know who the big up and coming boxers are and aren't even able to tell you who the current champions are.  As a result, people in the boxing business have had to resort to throwing whatever name the public will recognize out there in hopes of earning a payday.  I suspect it will get worse until another Mike Tyson comes along and reinvigorates the sport.

That could be true to some degree, but I'm not sure if mma is still gaining in popularity or if it also reached its peak. You see similar nostalgia among the UFC fans saying things were more exciting back then and that things get stale.
I think the popularity of combat sports comes in waves, with ups and downs.
At the same time, we live in unprecedented times when everything is competing for people's attention, from all types of social media to videos/movies on demand (YouTube/Netflix etc). It's way harder for any entertainment industry to compete. Probably boxing is still doing better (in terms of maintaining popularity) than say Hollywood productions.
Personally, my interest in boxing has started to go up recently, and I think 2024 will be a year of some great fights.

[Fatunad]

I think it also has to do with the sport's popularity suffering as a result of the rise in popularity of the UFC.  Most people don't know who the big up and coming boxers are and aren't even able to tell you who the current champions are.  As a result, people in the boxing business have had to resort to throwing whatever name the public will recognize out there in hopes of earning a payday.  I suspect it will get worse until another Mike Tyson comes along and reinvigorates the sport.

That could be true to some degree, but I'm not sure if mma is still gaining in popularity or if it also reached its peak. You see similar nostalgia among the UFC fans saying things were more exciting back then and that things get stale.
I think the popularity of combat sports comes in waves, with ups and downs.
At the same time, we live in unprecedented times when everything is competing for people's attention, from all types of social media to videos/movies on demand (YouTube/Netflix etc). It's way harder for any entertainment industry to compete. Probably boxing is still doing better (in terms of maintaining popularity) than say Hollywood productions.
Personally, my interest in boxing has started to go up recently, and I think 2024 will be a year of some great fights.

Actually you did really have a point in speaking about that popularity is really that still maintaining but i do agree on what Ognasty said above in this regard on which you could really be able not to see on who are the current champions and the current that are climbing up on the ladder due into these kind of unofficial fights. Yes, its not bad to have these things but it turns out that this has become the trend now.
Retired legend fighters or boxers are really that trying out to still make millions on setting up these kind of exhibition fights on which they are really that getting more traction compared into those
official fights that we do really have as of today but well lets just deal up on how this industry would really be going on, as long it could bring out that entertainment then interest would really be pushing through.

[pawel7777]

Retired legend fighters or boxers are really that trying out to still make millions on setting up these kind of exhibition fights on which they are really that getting more traction compared into those official fights that we do really have as of today but well lets just deal up on how this industry would really be going on, as long it could bring out that entertainment then interest would really be pushing through.

I don't think the exhibition fights of "retired" fighters take anything away from official bouts. If anything, they drive a lot of new fans into the sport. Usually, the main event would be preceded by fights of active boxers, who would then get a chance to make themselves known to a wider audience. So win-win.

As for the fight between Pacquiao Vs Mayweather, despite Floyd being the favourite, Manny will bring in a lot more views, as he has the status of a hero in his home country and among the Filipino diaspora worldwide. I don't think Floyd has ever had any strong fan base, boxing connoisseurs enjoyed him for his skills but there weren't that many people truly rooting for him.