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January 05, 2024, 11:43:37 AM
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Blockstream Green is a nice addition to the current list of suggestions, https://blockstream.com/green/

For the debate about the safety of your mobile devices, I believe Apple's devices are generally safer/more secure than Android devices because of Apple's walled garden. It's not invulnerable, but generally safer.

How you set up your Apple device will matter. Don't connect it to anything, like iCloud, that will upload data to their servers. iCloud was built for user convenience, and more convenience = possibly larger attack surface.

Because it's a hot wallet, don't store more than $500.00 of Bitcoin in there.

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January 05, 2024, 04:41:18 PM
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Blockstream Green is a nice addition to the current list of suggestions, https://blockstream.com/green/
Blockstream Green is now simply called Green Wallet. I remember that there were issues with verifying that the code matches the binaries for this software in the past, so I looked it up on Wallet Scrutiny. Indeed, both the Android and iOS versions didn't match.
https://walletscrutiny.com/android/com.greenaddress.greenbits_android_wallet/
https://walletscrutiny.com/iphone/io.blockstream.green/

Because it's a hot wallet, don't store more than $500.00 of Bitcoin in there.
Depending on who you are, that's pocket change or more than what they make in a month. While one of my buddies was still an active pro athlete, that's the kind of money he would waste on slot machines on a night out (the moron).

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January 06, 2024, 04:14:45 PM
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Hello, I will check out all your recommendations. Smiley


Just make sure you don't use Samourai Wallet, their app spies on all of your past and future Bitcoin transactions and sends it to their server.
I will avoid Samourai spy wallet.


Just make sure you don't use Samourai Wallet, their app spies on all of your past and future Bitcoin transactions and sends it to their server.
So does Electrum, with the difference that there isn't a central server, but a long list of community-operated nodes. But those nodes can be run by harmless private entities or subjects with other motives, willing to spy on you and find out as much about you as possible.   
Is Electrum really a spy wallet? It seemed to be very famous from my previous research?
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January 06, 2024, 07:05:01 PM
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Is Electrum really a spy wallet? It seemed to be very famous from my previous research?
It's not a spy wallet. I was just commenting on Kruw's post in which he called the Samourai wallet a spy wallet. Samourai is a direct competitor to Wasabi Wallet, and Kruw is (in one way or the other) connected to Wasabi and its development team. That's why he won't pass up any opportunity to throw some dirt their way despite the fact that it's the Wasabi software that is the dirty party, and he knows why I am saying that. But that's a topic for a different discussion.

Electrum is an SPV client where you connect to a server (randomly or manually) operated by someone. Anyone could run such a server. You, me, an honest party, a government agency, blockchain analysis, etc. When you connect to a server, it receives certain data from you. That includes your IP address, all wallet addresses, and the balance you have in your wallet. Such information can be used to track you in an attempt to identify who you are. For ultimate privacy, you should run your own node and use TOR and not connect to a 3rd-party one.

None of what I said, though, affects the security of your coins. Only your privacy is affected. The security of your wallet depends on you and your device, and how you handle your keys.     

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January 06, 2024, 07:22:51 PM
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It's not a spy wallet. I was just commenting on Kruw's post in which he called the Samourai wallet a spy wallet. Samourai is a direct competitor to Wasabi Wallet, and Kruw is (in one way or the other) connected to Wasabi and its development team. That's why he won't pass up any opportunity to throw some dirt their way despite the fact that it's the Wasabi software that is the dirty party, and he knows why I am saying that. But that's a topic for a different discussion.

You really need to stop harassing me and the Wasabi project.  Here's the proof that Samourai Wallet spies on all of your transactions: https://github.com/Samourai-Wallet/samourai-wallet-android/blob/c4b9fa7e6f72f1c82ab4757b90dc5a0e979b796d/app/src/main/java/com/samourai/wallet/api/APIFactory.java#L1695

Samourai spying on their users is not me "throwing dirt".  That's a FACT.

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January 06, 2024, 08:03:10 PM
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It's not a spy wallet. I was just commenting on Kruw's post in which he called the Samourai wallet a spy wallet. Samourai is a direct competitor to Wasabi Wallet, and Kruw is (in one way or the other) connected to Wasabi and its development team. That's why he won't pass up any opportunity to throw some dirt their way despite the fact that it's the Wasabi software that is the dirty party, and he knows why I am saying that. But that's a topic for a different discussion.

Electrum is an SPV client where you connect to a server (randomly or manually) operated by someone. Anyone could run such a server. You, me, an honest party, a government agency, blockchain analysis, etc. When you connect to a server, it receives certain data from you. That includes your IP address, all wallet addresses, and the balance you have in your wallet. Such information can be used to track you in an attempt to identify who you are. For ultimate privacy, you should run your own node and use TOR and not connect to a 3rd-party one.

None of what I said, though, affects the security of your coins. Only your privacy is affected. The security of your wallet depends on you and your device, and how you handle your keys.     
There are certainly Electrum servers more known and trustworthy than others, no? Which ones are the most reputed ones btw? Other simple measures increasing privacy and preventing transaction tracking is to use several wallets with several different seeds, regularly creating new ones and halting using older ones, along with TOR or a proxy if your IP address is static. It's boring to have to back up and manage several seeds, but there are only few ways to increase privacy unfortunately.

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January 06, 2024, 11:02:10 PM
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Are you sure OP that you'd like to keep your Bitcoins on a mobile wallet? I'll give + to Electrum mobile and Bluewallet. The last time I've used Bluewallet was long time ago and I had not experienced any single problem with it. As you can see, the debate about the safest really matters depending on many factors, good that you've asked this and I wonder in which wallet you'll end up using.

Blockstream Green is a nice addition to the current list of suggestions, https://blockstream.com/green/
I've used Blockstream Green(Green) but not the mobile version, for me, it's easy to use and user friendly.

@OP for your other reference of mobile wallets;


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January 07, 2024, 07:13:33 AM
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Electrum is compatible with android mobile devices but not ios, and Electrum on mobile also lacks a lot of features, so BlueWallet is your best option. Other than being open source, you can use features like coin control or freezing utxo's, you can also customize your tx fee on BlueWallet. However take note that your funds is only as safe as the device you store it in.

This wallet available for fast transactions and low fees?? and safe the phone? is it possible to fast transactions for small amount?

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There are certainly Electrum servers more known and trustworthy than others, no? Which ones are the most reputed ones btw?
Who knows. Even if there is a list of such servers considered to be trusted, how can you know the intentions and goals of the person who created that list? It might just be a honeypot, posted to lure you in. A person who is trusted today can go rogue tomorrow.

This wallet available for fast transactions and low fees?? and safe the phone? is it possible to fast transactions for small amount?
You can't have fast transactions with low fees, and the Bitcoin protocol doesn't care about the type of wallet you use. Those who are willing to pay more receive a small or big head start for a future transaction confirmation. If you are paying less, then be prepared to wait longer. Electrum allows you to customize the fees to your liking. You make the decision of how much you are willing to pay and how quick your transaction will confirm.

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This wallet available for fast transactions and low fees?? and safe the phone? is it possible to fast transactions for small amount?

You can't have fast transactions with low fees, and the Bitcoin protocol doesn't care about the type of wallet you use. Those who are willing to pay more receive a small or big head start for a future transaction confirmation. If you are paying less, then be prepared to wait longer. Electrum allows you to customize the fees to your liking. You make the decision of how much you are willing to pay and how quick your transaction will confirm.

I see Electrum it is safe for mobile?  more than others' wallets? fees customize nice option, what perfect to use Electrum mobile phone or computer?

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I see Electrum it is safe for mobile?  more than others' wallets?
It is safe enough for a mobile wallet. The safety of a mobile wallet depends mostly on you - the user. It depends on how you used and still use the wallet that holds the keys to your crypto. If you have done things wrong and infected your wallet somehow, then it doesn't matter what mobile wallet you use. In that case, they all will be unsafe for you.

what perfect to use Electrum mobile phone or computer?
Electrum for desktops is better than Electrum's mobile version. The mobile app lacks certain features that are present in the PC version. Try Blue Wallet for your phone.

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There are certainly Electrum servers more known and trustworthy than others, no? Which ones are the most reputed ones btw?
You cannot get this information, that is why you have to run your own node or electrum server to be certain of your privacy, if you connect to third party servers, they can see your BTC addresses and also your ip addresses and you cannot be sure what they do with that information.
I see Electrum it is safe for mobile?  more than others' wallets? fees customize nice option, what perfect to use Electrum mobile phone or computer?
Electrum in itself is safe and recommended, but the safety of your wallet depends on the device you use and your opsec; that is why it is recommended to use an airgapped device or a hardware wallet and ensure you back up your seed phrase and never expose it. Take note that you cannot customize fee on Electrum mobile and you cannot use coin control, the desktop version of Electrum is much better than its mobile version.

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January 09, 2024, 10:05:45 AM
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Is Electrum really a spy wallet? It seemed to be very famous from my previous research?
Electrum is an SPV client where you connect to a server (randomly or manually) operated by someone. Anyone could run such a server. You, me, an honest party, a government agency, blockchain analysis, etc. When you connect to a server, it receives certain data from you. That includes your IP address, all wallet addresses, and the balance you have in your wallet. Such information can be used to track you in an attempt to identify who you are.
How long is certein data stored at such servers?
Is blue wallet not sending certein data to a shady server?

For ultimate privacy, you should run your own node and use TOR and not connect to a 3rd-party one.
 
I am not an Bitcoin expert and don't visit DarkNet because of illigal items and hackers.

What's your recommendation mobile wallet and do you have one?

Are you sure OP that you'd like to keep your Bitcoins on a mobile wallet?
No, I don't want to really store it on a mobile device.
Just in case I need a send by a low amount.
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How long is certein data stored at such servers?
That's anyone's guess. It depends on the users running the nodes and their user settings. I don't see why they couldn't store such data indefinitely if they wanted to. 

Is blue wallet not sending certein data to a shady server?
It's the same every time you use someone else's node. By connecting to a server, you reveal certain information about yourself. It doesn't matter what the wallet's name is. Running your own node prevents that.

What's your recommendation mobile wallet and do you have one?
I have already mentioned my go-to mobile wallets in my previous posts.

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January 09, 2024, 05:52:33 PM
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I see Electrum it is safe for mobile?  more than others' wallets?
It is safe enough for a mobile wallet. The safety of a mobile wallet depends mostly on you - the user. It depends on how you used and still use the wallet that holds the keys to your crypto. If you have done things wrong and infected your wallet somehow, then it doesn't matter what mobile wallet you use. In that case, they all will be unsafe for you.

what perfect to use Electrum mobile phone or computer?
Electrum for desktops is better than Electrum's mobile version. The mobile app lacks certain features that are present in the PC version. Try Blue Wallet for your phone.

thanks, I am trying to use Electrum on my desktop.

Electrum in itself is safe and recommended, but the safety of your wallet depends on the device you use and your opsec; that is why it is recommended to use an airgapped device or a hardware wallet and ensure you back up your seed phrase and never expose it. Take note that you cannot customize fee on Electrum mobile and you cannot use coin control, the desktop version of Electrum is much better than its mobile version.

Configuration is not a problem.



It is not perfect to enough? I hope the configuration is no problem if I perfectly manage the Electrum software.

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The Electrum software wallet doesn't require a state-of-the-art computer, and I don't think you will experience problems running it. However, beginning with versions 4.2 and newer, the developers officially ended support for Windows 7. So, if you are using that outdated operating system, you won't be able to run the newer versions of Electrum. I hope you are using Windows 10/11 anyways, not just because of Electrum. That is, of course, if you are a Windows user, which I think you are.

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For ultimate privacy, you should run your own node and use TOR and not connect to a 3rd-party one.
 
I am not an Bitcoin expert and don't visit DarkNet because of illigal items and hackers.
Do note that while TOR is associated as a way to browse what you are envisioning as "Dark Net", TOR also allows you to explore websites like any other browser with the added benefit of the TOR Network (and other nuances that come with the browser). If using TOR were that illegal why would services such as ProtonMail[1] and Facebook[2] have onion addresses? What about news outlets such as The Guardian[3] and BBC News[4]? I highly recommend that you read more about TOR and how it works in these[5][6] nicely written articles. In its essence, TOR aims to provide what most people have forgotten / stopped caring long ago - Privacy.

[1]https://protonmailrmez3lotccipshtkleegetolb73fuirgj7r4o4vfu7ozyd.onion/
[2]https://www.facebookwkhpilnemxj7asaniu7vnjjbiltxjqhye3mhbshg7kx5tfyd.onion/
[3]https://www.guardian2zotagl6tmjucg3lrhxdk4dw3lhbqnkvvkywawy3oqfoprid.onion/
[4]https://www.bbcnewsd73hkzno2ini43t4gblxvycyac5aw4gnv7t2rccijh7745uqd.onion/
[5]https://www.privacyguides.org/en/advanced/tor-overview/#path-building-to-onion-services
[6]https://www.privacyguides.org/en/tor/

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if its just an open source mobile wallet that you are up to there are many of them. i use some of them, the first that i have tried before was the:

1. electrum
2. mycelium
3. alpha wallet

the trend today for these wallets is that they also support altcoins which works just like the Trust wallet of Binance. any coin you have can be stored as long as they support it. and then functionalities where you can swap what you have to any other cryptocurrency.
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The Electrum software wallet doesn't require a state-of-the-art computer, and I don't think you will experience problems running it. However, beginning with versions 4.2 and newer, the developers officially ended support for Windows 7. So, if you are using that outdated operating system, you won't be able to run the newer versions of Electrum. I hope you are using Windows 10/11 anyways, not just because of Electrum. That is, of course, if you are a Windows user, which I think you are.

Yes windows 11 user already I downloaded electrum from https://electrum.org/#download, show right version is electrum-4.4.6-setup.

 

I installed already how to verify the electrum is not a fake version.



how to select the type of wallet? confused!

choose another file means the file name is custom?

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I installed already how to verify the electrum is not a fake version.
The verification should be done before the software is installed and especially before you deposit any coins into any of its addresses. But since you already installed it, you can follow the guides below. The first one is much more detailed in case you don't manage to do it with the second one, which be a bit outdated.

[GUIDE] How to Safely Download and Verify Electrum [Guide]
How to verify your Electrum download

how to select the type of wallet? confused!
Choose the standard wallet. It's recommended for most users. A 2FA wallet introduces another cosigner. This is a paid service, and it creates larger transactions where you need to pay more fees. Multi-sig wallet is something similar. It's a wallet that requires the signatures with multiple keys/parties before a transaction can be sent. I wouldn't recommend you play around with those until you get comfortable working with a standard bitcoin wallet. The last option is self-explanatory. If you already have one or multiple private keys, you can import and recover them with Electrum. That option also creates a watch-only wallet. 

choose another file means the file name is custom?
I am not exactly sure what you are asking. You can name the wallet anything you want. You can leave it at 'default_wallet' or change the name to something you like.

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