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[shasan]

Based on the negative trust I think you will turn into a scam if you run such a service. Though we may not take it down until we do not know the name of the domain. Anyway, if anyone wants to do it then both of you may use the service from this list (Few trusted escrow service providers.)

[shasan]

Thanks honey pie, I will make sure not to rely on that topic you posted, the only escrow I would trust with more than $500 around here is OG, I might trust others as well, but I don't know whether they accept to act as escrow or not.

You on the other hand, have given some loans for years and decided to act as escrow, which looks very suspicious, therefore you should not be trusted with more than $500.

First of all, I am sorry as I had copied the username I was checking and I could not post the correct link by mistake. But the title was correct. For your kind information on that link, my service is not yet listed though I will list asap. So, you do not need to rely on my service. And on that list, OG's service is also mentioned.

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Based on the negative trust I think you will turn into a scam if you run such a service. Though we may not take it down until we do not know the name of the domain. Anyway, if anyone wants to do it then both of you may use the service from this list (Few trusted escrow service providers.)

Maybe digaran is a troll, but none of his negative feedback is due to fraud or based on trade. Well, that is not a sufficient reason to immediately suspect that he will scam someone. Certainly, using escrow is the best recommendation, not only in this case.

Another thing is how serious he is in all this, his feedback clearly indicates that this can be just another trolling. But who knows, maybe he will surprise us positively.

[mikeywith]

Based on the negative trust I think you will turn into a scam if you run such a service.

This is good proof that many people don't bother reading what the feedback is left for. If you check his feedback and the reference links, you would see that none of them points to a scam or anything of that nature. Even actmyname's feedback is inaccurate. It states, "Wanted to charge people to remove red tags." But if you read the reference link, you would see that it was nothing but trolling. i.e., he wasn't offering a service to remove red tags for money. Anyone who would judge that comment rationally without having anything personal against digaran would arrive at the same conclusion. But if you want to make your own reasons to tag him, you would certainly be able to find many things.

It's like discussing something scam-related, and you say, "If I was a scammer, I would do x and then do y." Someone who wants to tag you would just underline that part and say, "he said he would do x and y." It's ironic and unfair.

With that said, I do agree that digaran is somewhat of a troll. I do find many of his posts entertaining and funny, but I understand why many others would be annoyed by him and think of him as a net negative to the forum. If I were to do business with him, I wouldn't assume he is a scammer. In fact, I would trust him more than I would trust a random newbie who joined the forum 7 days ago. Of course, I would still use escrow if he wouldn't go first, but that's not because of the feedback. I would do the same even if his feedback age was empty.

Another thing is how serious he is in all this, his feedback clearly indicates that this can be just another trolling. But who knows, maybe he will surprise us positively.

If he is trolling here too, it would be a terrible move worth tagging, deliberately wasting people's time and efforts is as bad as scamming them, imagine someone who spends a few hours or days looking into the services, analyzing it, commutating with other developers to set price and timeline only to get a replay from him saying "haha, I was trolling".

[SamReomo]

If he is trolling here too, it would be a terrible move worth tagging, deliberately wasting people's time and efforts is as bad as scamming them, imagine someone who spends a few hours or days looking into the services, analyzing it, commutating with other developers to set price and timeline only to get a replay from him saying "haha, I was trolling".

I hope he's not trolling because such type of trolling especially in services board is not good at all. Many people might be wondering that the guy is really looking for a professional developer to build a site that would be similar to the one the OP has requested in the main thread. It would be a pretty hard job to create as website and service like that which OP is requesting and I believe it would cost him a lot of money to have a site like that.

If digaran this thread is created for trolling purpose then kindly lock it as it would be more harmful for someone who may get serious about doing the task but if you're seriously finding a professional developer to create a website and service like that for you then that's another thing.

[suchmoon]

Maybe digaran is a troll, but none of his negative feedback is due to fraud or based on trade. Well, that is not a sufficient reason to immediately suspect that he will scam someone.

The reason he hasn't scammed anyone yet is likely because he never had a chance, i.e. no one would have trusted with an amount worth scamming. However his overall attitude IMO clearly tells us that he would do so given a chance. For example my red trust on him is based on the fact that he was asking money for a service that he couldn't have possibly been able to deliver, i.e. blatant fraud attempt.

But if you read the reference link, you would see that it was nothing but trolling. i.e., he wasn't offering a service to remove red tags for money.

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If he is trolling here too, it would be a terrible move worth tagging, deliberately wasting people's time and efforts is as bad as scamming them

Uhm... there is zero difference between these instances of him offering some sort of a deal, that he (IMO) has no intent on upholding.

[mikeywith]

For example my red trust on him is based on the fact that he was asking money for a service that he couldn't have possibly been able to deliver, i.e. blatant fraud attempt.

Uhm... there is zero difference between these instances of him offering some sort of a deal, that he (IMO) has no intent on upholding.

In the thread you referenced, said mentioned:

I will act as your lawyer in negative trust cases. if you believe that you were tagged wrongfully, I will defend you by following the forum rules.

It was something "he could do". We do that all the time for free on the reputation board, don't we? In the same topic, LoyceV mentioned

Interesting service! I did something similar for free last month. Two weeks ago user eddie13 suggested I start "forum related representation services", which I declined.

The way I view his service is that you are some innocent member who got some tag you think you don't deserve, and he would "defend" you using the forum rules, i.e., not by bribing DT members or anything of that nature. He would just investigate your case, start a topic providing proof of why you are innocent and whatnot. The whole thing would change if his service was "Hire me, and I will remove the red tags on your profile." That was indeed something he can't do, but "defending someone" is something anyone can do as long as they don't guarantee the outcome.

Besides, that was most likely some excessive trolling by him, done to prove some weird point. I understand why some of you would view him that way; he puts himself in that position. Personally, I don't think he is a terrible person. If he stops trolling (not going to be easy for him, I suppose), he has a good chance of being a net positive to the forum. If I compare digaran to jvanname, I see the former hasn't lost hope; he just needs to change, whereas the doctor's case is probably unfixable.

Well, dayuum. since when asking for price on a project is a waste of time? What if I'm not satisfied with the offer of the first dev and would want to wait for others to offer their terms as well? You talk like as soon as the first person coming here I'd need to bend over and say yes to their demands? Typical mikeywith. 😉

That is indeed not what I meant, and I am sure you know what I mean. If you have no real intention of buying the service you are requesting, be honest with yourself and delete the thread. You may not understand the efforts and time it takes to prepare an offer for such a service you are requesting, but I am telling you, it's a lot of work. So if there is zero chance that my offer is going to be accepted (only possible if you are indeed trolling), then that would be viewed as you scamming me for my time and efforts.

[Airdrop Imperial]

After Tornado Cash, only few pro developers will risk to code any similar service as [banned mixer]

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The reason he hasn't scammed anyone yet is likely because he never had a chance, i.e. no one would have trusted with an amount worth scamming.

Still valid, innocent until proven guilty. He can easily make two trades worth $100 each with some reputable members and get two green ratings. So then what will be more decisive, 2x positive for completed trade or 7x negative for trolling?

For example my red trust on him is based on the fact that he was asking money for a service that he couldn't have possibly been able to deliver, i.e. blatant fraud attempt.

I will have to look at the references for that tag to get a clearer picture of what happened there.

That is indeed not what I meant, and I am sure you know what I mean. If you have no real intention of buying the service you are requesting, be honest with yourself and delete the thread. You may not understand the efforts and time it takes to prepare an offer for such a service you are requesting, but I am telling you, it's a lot of work. So if there is zero chance that my offer is going to be accepted (only possible if you are indeed trolling), then that would be viewed as you scamming me for my time and efforts.

Considering his behaviour, which we have seen here before, probably only if he would publicly state the budget for this request of his, as well as sign the address with the funds. Even better if he is willing to send those funds to escrow.

[suchmoon]

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My point was that you said:

If he is trolling here too, it would be a terrible move worth tagging, deliberately wasting people's time and efforts is as bad as scamming them [...]

But you seem to think that his earlier scam-or-maybe-just-trolling attempts are not worth tagging and/or not indicative of his bad intent.

I fail to see the difference.

Guys I don't need anyone to spend hours, all it takes is 10 minutes of a pro dev's time to just read the description on their site to know what he is up against,

That's not how it works. And you not being able to spend 5 minutes on at least a clear list of bullet points of what you're asking clearly shows that you're not serious about it... not that there was ever any doubt.

[mikeywith]

I fail to see the difference.

What I am saying is that there is a distinct difference between offering a service you can't provide and a service you can provide, the service you tagged him for was something he "could" provide.

- I will remove negative feedback left by DT members = can't provide
- I will make you 20 years younger  = can't provide
- I will speak to the people who left you the negative tags to try and resolve the issue = can provide
- I will send your prayers to god (saw someone offering this service) = can provide  -- although you can't tell if your prayers will be sent anyway.

If someone contacted him for his 'lawyer service' and he admitted that it was just trolling then that would be worth tagging, which applies here to, if someone proves that this request is nothing but trolling -- it's worth a flag.

I won't pretend that I read every comment on that subject you referenced in your feedback, the OP itself was not worth tagging IMO, if he at some later point said he was trolling and never intended to offer the service, then that's something different.

[mikeywith]

Did you come up with that rule just now?

No, it is common sense, scam isn't always directly related to $$, wasting people's time and effort on something you have already decided not to uphold to is scam, go try that on any freelancer website, there is a good reason why those websites have buyer's ratings and many buyers are banned everyday, because many people would just post fake jobs and devs would spend time and efforts on something none of them stands a chance of getting paid for.

The problem here is, you are not a developer  and you think preparing a serious offer takes only 10 mins, which is not true, it takes at least 10 hours for a pro dev to get an accurate estimate of a project of such nature, do you think it is fine to waste 10 hours of even 10 mins of 10 people's time?

Nobody here can dictate to me how I should do businessTypical, go scare some kids, I'm not one. 😉

I am not trying to do any of that, all am saying is: if someone proved you are just trolling here, they would likely flag you, and that flag would be supported by many including myself, obviously proving that you never intended to buy the service is not going to be easy, but if someone posts an offer for $50 and you refuse it for being expensive, many people would assume that you were indeed trolling and wasting people's time.

I am not accusing you of anything, i have nothing against you, just stating the possible outcome of your actions.

[wd1]

Well, icopress already offered 17BTC for it, so I'm trying to get the actual price. But here is the thing about a professional developer, they don't need to prepare something for 10 hours, all it takes is to look at how that service is functioning, after all, the important part is the backend functions, because frontend is much easier. I don't know if you are a developer or not, if you are then you are not good at it.

Even if you don't agree with the definition of what a scam constitutes and just think of it as bilking people, it would still be a horrible thing to waste time in this fashion and then just give trolling as your excuse. Its funny as long as you do it an innocuous and short way, but if you are trolling in this instance, then you deserve all the criticism and most likely a ban. So, I hope you are sincere.

Apart from that your view is erroneous, it can very easily take a long amount of time. Remember, that you have linked a very complex web app and have done no expounding at all. If someone is seriously considering taking up the project, they will need to ask themselves a lot of questions to give a price estimate, viability and time frame.

Even though I'm not a coder, but I can easily guess it would take roughly 30-45 days for a team of 4 devs. So also all it takes for such a team is to decide on the time and then put a price on their time.  And as we know, everyone has a different price than the others.

Note that, I haven't offered any amount of money to give them freedom so that they could offer what they think they deserve, anyways people are free to ignore this.

Thanks for the warning though, I can't stop shivering. 😂😘

Its better to give a price range. So people know that if your project is worth their time or not.

[wd1]

Sir, please read the OP, besides you are not in a position to dictate what constitutes a ban. Amigo 😉

What you are saying makes no sense. So let's just assume a hypothetical situation. If a person makes a post just to troll, and it takes people lots of time to research on it and get back. Wouldn't that person deserve a ban?

There is no room for ambiguity here, you would get banned on every freelance site on the world.

[wd1]

Sir you have wasted 20 minutes of my time, what is the punishment on every freelance site in the world for that? If you are unable to read English on OP, refrain from wasting my time, or else, you know? Ban etc.😉

You took 20 minutes to read that lol, the word dumb is an understatement.

[wd1]

The site you linked literally looks so pretty because of CSS  .