Is Stake playing fair? What about others? Where is the line of trust here?

[Get-Paid.com]

Edit Jan 9:

Just mentioning you can also see the scam on Youtube in case it's easier for you than Twitter and it's also showing how many views it had a few days ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP_wKX-aYqY

Firstly - a scam in live camera in front of everyone!

https://x.com/DramaAlert/status/1744103940608720947?s=20

The dealer cheated here, and Eddie replies on Twitter saying "Card dealers make mistakes". WTF?!

 

Secondly,

Read what one of their users had to say:

https://stakecommunity.com/topic/84740-stake-in-2024-are-you-in-or-out/?do=findComment&comment=1880224

Drake giveaways were fake - facetime to iphone only users, mostly winners from Canada as always, rehearsed speaches and fake money spinning

Twitter giveaways fake - Stake has been caught giving out dozens of prizes to chinese twitter accounts created on the day of giveaway

Discord bonus buys fake - 90% of the time mods, kick streamers or friends of Steve and that other guy get picked, regular players sit at discord for hours like dummies

Bonus drops fake - i’ve noticed personally how $50,000 bonus drops were suddenly being “fully claimed” after 4-5 seconds, which would mean 10,000 players claimed it in less then a second, giving Stake team the time to edit post to fully claimed

Soo many other things that are sooo off. So my question is - if they feel comfortable doing these fake things so casually with $5 bonus drops and a few discord bonus buys, how far are they prepared to go to fill their pockets?

Is there a way to verify or "provably fair" the giveaways are genuine & honest?

Also when you see with their competitor a thread like this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5480517.0

How can you verify that "winner" is not a shill account. an account created by the site itself?

Where is the line of trust here?

Logan Paul cheated and scammed tons of people despite being famous and rich from Prime, how can you believe these guys are not doing the same thing?! Can these things be provably fair or not?!

 

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[Get-Paid.com]

Adding one more, this time it's a sports bet:

https://x.com/Treestreets_/status/1744193025570734316?s=20

[bitbollo]

I don't think there is a "realistic" way to certify the existence of 50 thousand people online participating in a free contest. Every time, for every giveaway.
A good reference can be given by "real users" who actually "win" prizes, likewise people posting here on forum from ranked accounts.

Regarding sports betting, providers carry out checks. this change it could be just simply from a review (or the system incorrectly) provided one value rather than another...

[Get-Paid.com]

I don't think there is a "realistic" way to certify the existence of 50 thousand people online participating in a free contest. Every time, for every giveaway.
A good reference can be given by "real users" who actually "win" prizes, likewise people posting here on forum from ranked accounts.

Regarding sports betting, providers carry out checks. this change it could be just simply from a review (or the system incorrectly) provided one value rather than another...

What about this?

https://twitter.com/DramaAlert/status/1744103940608720947?s=20

and this?

https://twitter.com/XXJEREMYXX445/status/1744043097221460304

How many of these "mistakes" are going to be taken as genuine mistakes and not intentional way of stealing funds?

[bitbollo]

if you are referring to some specific game play I agree with you. These are clearly wrong and casino should adopt some solution for this (are you sure they have refused payout or better, what says their ToS for such cases?!)
Moreover I will not blame the casino owner but game provider since this is their fault... I don't think a billionaire companies can growth their business with such low profile tricks... they can rob some penny nothing real.

[babygun]

Lol, I hope that dealer got fired as this is the most obvious cheat I have ever seen in a Blackjack game. Just stealing a high card from a user and giving him a 3 instead. I think for giveaways, it is not easy to make sure that it is 100% honest and transparent.

[Mahdirakib]

The dealer cheated here, and Eddie replies on Twitter saying "Card dealers make mistakes". WTF?!

Either the dealer was high, or he has done it intentionally to make everyone lose their bets. It doesn't look like a mistake though. In the second video, they have changed the result despite knowing that what's going on. Weren't those bets voided by Stake team?

what says their ToS for such cases?!)

Based on the terms they will void such bets

4.15 You will inform us as soon as you become aware of any errors with respect to your account or any calculations with respect to any bet you have placed. We reserve the right to declare null and void any bets that are subject to such an error.

And based on terms 8.4, Stake team will deduct the amount which will be credited to user account for human error or technical error. There is no clause in the terms which clarifies the situation what has happened in the BlackJack rounds of those videos. Those were human error and users have lost their bets for this. Some users would have won their bets if the mistake wasn't made by the dealer.

[AbuBhakar]

The video is clearly just a human error since the 3 card that swap to K are both exposed already. But it’s interesting to see if this kind of error has an underlying reason since I play on exclusive blackjack of Stake and the result is always in favor with the house. It’s very hard to win against the, compared to the regular table.

This dealer is probably have cheat tricks like this but have an error for the execution since the card that he swap is already revealed. More importantly he is already giving cards for the hit which means he knew exactly what’s the card that he get before he swap. This video is really trivial. Definitely human error but probably they are cheating in some form that execute improperly.

[Get-Paid.com]

The video is clearly just a human error

That's not a "human error", period.

[holydarkness]

[...]
Is there a way to verify or "provably fair" the giveaways are genuine & honest?

Also when you see with their competitor a thread like this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5480517.0

How can you verify that "winner" is not a shill account. an account created by the site itself?

Where is the line of trust here?

Logan Paul cheated and scammed tons of people despite being famous and rich from Prime, how can you believe these guys are not doing the same thing?! Can these things be provably fair or not?!

 

Yes, there is a way to verify and prove that giveaways are genuine and honest, that happen to also known as doxxing, where the winner provides their details and anyone curious can stuck their nose into the details and verify whether they're a real citizen or not, and/or if they're one of the casino's employee itself. Understandably, it's extremely counterproductive and non-ethical that no casino would want to do so. Thus, the easier way to draw a line of trust here, with "trust" as the keyword, is their reputation.

[Rating Place]

Firstly - a scam in live camera in front of everyone!

https://x.com/DramaAlert/status/1744103940608720947?s=20

The dealer cheated here, and Eddie replies on Twitter saying "Card dealers make mistakes". WTF?!

 

Secondly,

Read what one of their users had to say:

https://stakecommunity.com/topic/84740-stake-in-2024-are-you-in-or-out/?do=findComment&comment=1880224

Drake giveaways were fake - facetime to iphone only users, mostly winners from Canada as always, rehearsed speaches and fake money spinning

Twitter giveaways fake - Stake has been caught giving out dozens of prizes to chinese twitter accounts created on the day of giveaway

Discord bonus buys fake - 90% of the time mods, kick streamers or friends of Steve and that other guy get picked, regular players sit at discord for hours like dummies

Bonus drops fake - i’ve noticed personally how $50,000 bonus drops were suddenly being “fully claimed” after 4-5 seconds, which would mean 10,000 players claimed it in less then a second, giving Stake team the time to edit post to fully claimed

Soo many other things that are sooo off. So my question is - if they feel comfortable doing these fake things so casually with $5 bonus drops and a few discord bonus buys, how far are they prepared to go to fill their pockets?

Is there a way to verify or "provably fair" the giveaways are genuine & honest?

Also when you see with their competitor a thread like this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5480517.0

How can you verify that "winner" is not a shill account. an account created by the site itself?

Where is the line of trust here?

Logan Paul cheated and scammed tons of people despite being famous and rich from Prime, how can you believe these guys are not doing the same thing?! Can these things be provably fair or not?!

 

I'm not sure what to make of the Stake accusation. If the dealer intentionally cheated, then he has to have incentive. Did he receive a % of table loss instead of flat salary? For Sportsbet, when someone wins a $42m jackpost, the casino will use this for publicity and pass it around to media outlets. Since there is no publicity on this, it most likely isn't true. It's only at BCT and their Twitter feed. I'd assume that Sportsbet doesn't want anyone looking into it which is why they aren't spreading this to the media. There are a lot of casinos that do this sort of thing with fake raflles and contests that aren't transparent. I never get into contests that aren't transparent.

BetOnLine is very big but they've been accused of crooked stuff too https://youtu.be/7PGasgpAJ1o?si=3UoTG9MYPm8ZR5qe which is part of the reason why I believe it can happen to all.

[BenCodie]

Firstly - a scam in live camera in front of everyone!

https://x.com/DramaAlert/status/1744103940608720947?s=20

The dealer cheated here, and Eddie replies on Twitter saying "Card dealers make mistakes". WTF?!

 

This is not the first time that Eddies misconduct has been highlighted and ignored by regulators and the wider gambling community who should be boycotting Stake at this point. There have been several reports of various scams and misconducts by Stake that everyone tends to ignore...We had the VPN scandal, where Eddie encouraged players and influencers from banned jurisdictions to use a VPN to bypass the limitations. There have been several suspiciously timed phishing attacks. Not to mention account freezes and KYC issues which have either taken months to resolve, required ridiculous requirements to complete, or are simply never resolved. All of these can be found throughout the scam accusations board... And now this.....

Secondly,

Read what one of their users had to say:

https://stakecommunity.com/topic/84740-stake-in-2024-are-you-in-or-out/?do=findComment&comment=1880224

Drake giveaways were fake - facetime to iphone only users, mostly winners from Canada as always, rehearsed speaches and fake money spinning

Twitter giveaways fake - Stake has been caught giving out dozens of prizes to chinese twitter accounts created on the day of giveaway

Discord bonus buys fake - 90% of the time mods, kick streamers or friends of Steve and that other guy get picked, regular players sit at discord for hours like dummies

Bonus drops fake - i’ve noticed personally how $50,000 bonus drops were suddenly being “fully claimed” after 4-5 seconds, which would mean 10,000 players claimed it in less then a second, giving Stake team the time to edit post to fully claimed

Soo many other things that are sooo off. So my question is - if they feel comfortable doing these fake things so casually with $5 bonus drops and a few discord bonus buys, how far are they prepared to go to fill their pockets?

Is there a way to verify or "provably fair" the giveaways are genuine & honest?

Also when you see with their competitor a thread like this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5480517.0

How can you verify that "winner" is not a shill account. an account created by the site itself?

Where is the line of trust here?

Logan Paul cheated and scammed tons of people despite being famous and rich from Prime, how can you believe these guys are not doing the same thing?! Can these things be provably fair or not?!

 

...Which comes as no surprise. Even Sportsbet.io is using an apparent "$42 million jackpot win" in the gambling board as advertisement. These fake promotions to lure in gamblers are common not just with Stake, and it's not surprising that stake is partaking in the same practice given past reports and misconduct by its administration.

Despite all of this, it's likely that no further investigation or rightful prosecution will come to either of these platforms instead, people will forget their misconduct and keep their profit machines running.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

I think the blackjack dealer situation is a nonsense discussion.
If you want to cheat you are hiding what you are doing and not do it in plain sight.  Also it's such a small amount on the table, this would NEVER make any sense.
I hope all people involved have been refunded and granted some sort of compensation.

Look at his face, he is confused as fxxk. Maybe he is stoned or something and made an obvious mistake. There is no need to call this a scam attempt or what not.

About the stake promos it's another story.

Twitter giveaways are super strange, that is true. Same with the drake stream giveaway which is ab obvious attempt to collect phone number, not more and not less. About the telegram drops, I think they are mostly legit but what they did yet again on the drake stream where all drops where available for hours and suddenly they were all claimed in the same minute, makes no sense.

[holydarkness]

[...] For Sportsbet, when someone wins a $42m jackpost, the casino will use this for publicity and pass it around to media outlets. Since there is no publicity on this, it most likely isn't true. It's only at BCT and their Twitter feed. I'd assume that Sportsbet doesn't want anyone looking into it which is why they aren't spreading this to the media. [...]

It's also uploaded in their instagram and facebook [might need to log in to watch], I don't think they have a dedicated account for their platform on tiktok and youtube [the youtube is for... live league], so I think it's covered in most of the social media that they own.

[sujonali1819]

Lol, but my question is if they really cheat then why it is in a live game? Where all the players can see what's going on. And also here reputation costs much more than any of the funds on the table for sure.

I am still thinking it could be a mistake by the dealer. But if it raise more in the future then yeah ofcource something wrong is happening.

[Get-Paid.com]

This is not the first time that Eddies misconduct has been highlighted and ignored by regulators and the wider gambling community who should be boycotting Stake at this point. There have been several reports of various scams and misconducts by Stake that everyone tends to ignore...We had the VPN scandal, where Eddie encouraged players and influencers from banned jurisdictions to use a VPN to bypass the limitations. There have been several suspiciously timed phishing attacks. Not to mention account freezes and KYC issues which have either taken months to resolve, required ridiculous requirements to complete, or are simply never resolved. All of these can be found throughout the scam accusations board... And now this.....

Wish I could merit you for this post, but don't have more merits to spend, but you're spot on.

[Rating Place]

[...] For Sportsbet, when someone wins a $42m jackpost, the casino will use this for publicity and pass it around to media outlets. Since there is no publicity on this, it most likely isn't true. It's only at BCT and their Twitter feed. I'd assume that Sportsbet doesn't want anyone looking into it which is why they aren't spreading this to the media. [...]

It's also uploaded in their instagram and facebook [might need to log in to watch], I don't think they have a dedicated account for their platform on tiktok and youtube [the youtube is for... live league], so I think it's covered in most of the social media that they own.

You won't see fake jackpot claims out of BetFair, Will Hill, Paddy Power, Bet365, etc. But if someone does hit for $42m, they will be using that as a promo and it'll be out there outside of their own social media. The fake jack pots and contests are common with books in Costa Rica and Curacao.  A lot of sportsbooks such as Sportsbet run a shell corporation in Curacao with the office location elsewhere although there are some with huge offices in Costa Rica. This doesn't mean that Sportsbet is cheating players, but the $42m jackpot is tough to buy.



 

[holydarkness]

[...] For Sportsbet, when someone wins a $42m jackpost, the casino will use this for publicity and pass it around to media outlets. Since there is no publicity on this, it most likely isn't true. It's only at BCT and their Twitter feed. I'd assume that Sportsbet doesn't want anyone looking into it which is why they aren't spreading this to the media. [...]

It's also uploaded in their instagram and facebook [might need to log in to watch], I don't think they have a dedicated account for their platform on tiktok and youtube [the youtube is for... live league], so I think it's covered in most of the social media that they own.

You won't see fake jackpot claims out of BetFair, Will Hill, Paddy Power, Bet365, etc. But if someone does hit for $42m, they will be using that as a promo and it'll be out there outside of their own social media. The fake jack pots and contests are common with books in Costa Rica and Curacao.  A lot of sportsbooks such as Sportsbet run a shell corporation in Curacao with the office location elsewhere although there are some with huge offices in Costa Rica. This doesn't mean that Sportsbet is cheating players, but the $42m jackpot is tough to buy.

Ahh... now I see your point. You're arguing that if someone win USD 42M, the news will be all over the net, with "reaction video" in youtube, instagram feeds with lots of unnecessary emoji, etc. because the platform [on this case, sportsbet] will most likely use that as publication and this one is relatively silent? But wouldn't that argument also open to a possibility that they didn't hire these influencers for publication [and those influencers will not post if they're not incentivized] and thus their market growth is organic?

[notblox1]

I didnt have any bad experience with Stake so far, but I heard few people who complained how they are doing business.

The dealer cheated here, and Eddie replies on Twitter saying "Card dealers make mistakes".

Ask him if card dealers are making mistakes in favor of players?  
I dont think so.

Is there a way to verify or "provably fair" the giveaways are genuine & honest?

There is no way we can prove that, but they can post more information and be more transparent how they are picking the all the winners.
I dont want to believe that everything they are doing is fake, but I wont exclude the possibility that this is happening with some casinos.

Logan Paul cheated and scammed tons of people despite being famous and rich from Prime, how can you believe these guys are not doing the same thing?! Can these things be provably fair or not?!

More people are famous and rich there is bigger chance they are cheating.
Simple math.

[Rating Place]

[...] For Sportsbet, when someone wins a $42m jackpost, the casino will use this for publicity and pass it around to media outlets. Since there is no publicity on this, it most likely isn't true. It's only at BCT and their Twitter feed. I'd assume that Sportsbet doesn't want anyone looking into it which is why they aren't spreading this to the media. [...]

It's also uploaded in their instagram and facebook [might need to log in to watch], I don't think they have a dedicated account for their platform on tiktok and youtube [the youtube is for... live league], so I think it's covered in most of the social media that they own.

You won't see fake jackpot claims out of BetFair, Will Hill, Paddy Power, Bet365, etc. But if someone does hit for $42m, they will be using that as a promo and it'll be out there outside of their own social media. The fake jack pots and contests are common with books in Costa Rica and Curacao.  A lot of sportsbooks such as Sportsbet run a shell corporation in Curacao with the office location elsewhere although there are some with huge offices in Costa Rica. This doesn't mean that Sportsbet is cheating players, but the $42m jackpot is tough to buy.

Ahh... now I see your point. You're arguing that if someone win USD 42M, the news will be all over the net, with "reaction video" in youtube, instagram feeds with lots of unnecessary emoji, etc. because the platform [on this case, sportsbet] will most likely use that as publication and this one is relatively silent? But wouldn't that argument also open to a possibility that they didn't hire these influencers for publication [and those influencers will not post if they're not incentivized] and thus their market growth is organic?

Correct. You don't even need influencers. Many newspapers would love an article like this. Sportsbet is smart enough to get in touch with them if it were real. This is great advertising and it's cheap. For Sportsbet's sake, hopefully someone buys in to the story and it gets spread. I don't think many credible sources would publish this.

More people are famous and rich there is bigger chance they are cheating.
Simple math.

It's the same with casinos. The bigger the casino, the bigger the chance they are cheating. It's easy to get away with in Curacao and Costa Rica. No one is going to check on rigged contests, etc.