I wonder if the forum would be much better without signatue campaigns

[BabyBandit]

I think without the possibility to earning money from posting, this forum would be at least a little bit better but also much less traffic, but maybe the traffic would be much better!?
Money is not everything in life and this way of earning money can make you easily blind even tho it's such small amounts we talking about and I understand and respect that maybe not for some people is this the case so in that cases I am happy the sign campaign exists so people get a chance to get a income and can live a normal life.🙏 So maybe I am a bit hypocrite here? But that's fine I can take that for putting this on the table.

An example: The "Lending board" section when all "newbies" posting for a loan, it's like 10-15 people posting nonsense shit every time "No collateral" "You wont get a loan" "Get the fuck out of here".
And I am sure if everyone just ignored those threads instead they would stop exist because the fun would disappear for the trolls/newbies. That's was like the first thing we learned us as kids, ignorance is gold.
And many people that are in a Signature campaign seems to be so desperate to post so they answer to absolutely everything, even things that is so clearly better ignore then answer and also things they don't have a clue about I have seen that in the "Trading section" when many people giving advice's about trading but the post they make says more about how much of a "newbie" themself are then the OP.
So I see it as the only reason they respond is to earn a buck or two, not to help the OP or the forum and yes maybe I am totally wrong and you think I am a dickhead and that totally fine by me.
But what do you guys and girls think? Of course it's hard to be neutral here since it's money involved, but at least give it a try. What would be best for the forum no signature campaigns or signature campaigns?
And I hope nobody take this personal because it's not directed to anyone specific!

And I don't mean to step on anyone's toes or saying being in a signature campaign is bad because I don't think so! But clearly many people taking advance of it in a way that only making the forum look worse IMO.

Now with this said, I don't want signature campaigns to be banned or removed whatsoever, I just want to hear other opinions about this subject.
And I will probably join one myself if I get a chance one day and I find something I can back up and ofc if they want me, but it would not make me start to post nonsense for just reach that goal to earn as much money as possible, it like destroying the charm of a forum in a way.

For last I hope everyone here will have their best year so far in life this 2024 now with Bitcoin Halving around the corner we all can make good success. I believe in you all!

Best regards / BabyBandit ❤️

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[Upgrade00]

As it stands, we are at a fine balance on allowing signature campaigns and controlling spam on the forum.
If we're to swing ay way, I'll suggest we go towards more regulation for spam and this is a community exercise, meaning if you report posts that are off topic or redundant, it will help the mods to find and delete them.

I personally think the forum is better off with signatures, sure it is an incentive to post and some of those posts might be forced or repetitive, but a huge chunk of them are educative and helpful. Most of what I have learnt from the forum were from users who were wearing signatures. Removing signatures will also cut down on educative posts as well as spam replies.

[Ultegra134]

As it stands, we are at a fine balance on allowing signature campaigns and controlling spam on the forum.
If we're to swing ay way, I'll suggest we go towards more regulation for spam and this is a community exercise, meaning if you report posts that are off topic or redundant, it will help the mods to find and delete them.

I personally think the forum is better off with signatures, sure it is an incentive to post and some of those posts might be forced or repetitive, but a huge chunk of them are educative and helpful. Most of what I have learnt from the forum were from users who were wearing signatures. Removing signatures will also cut down on educative posts as well as spam replies.

I agree; although I understand the OP's concern, regulating spam and removing users that repeatedly ignore the rules is what's best here. I was here before the merit system was introduced; you should have seen how much spam there was. Everyone could simply rank up with the only requirement of being active and posting; it didn't matter what; just post whatever comes to mind. You could even become a Hero member in 1.5 to 2 years by posting in the off-topic section. A large number of those users have now quit because they weren't able to participate in signature campaigns, while the merit system discourages spamming newbies who're simply after signature campaigns because they have no chances of ever ranking up.

[robelneo]

.. I was here before the merit system was introduced; you should have seen how much spam there was. Everyone could simply rank up with the only requirement of being active and posting; it didn't matter what; just post whatever comes to mind. You could even become a Hero member in 1.5 to 2 years by posting in the off-topic section. A large number of those users have now quit because they weren't able to participate in signature campaigns, while the merit system discourages spamming newbies who're simply after signature campaigns because they have no chances of ever ranking up.

I'm also here when there are a few signature campaigns and so much spam, people are very more interested in airdrops and bounty campaigns you'll see members with legendary accounts where all their posts are bounty reports, the merit system stops this ranking abuse, you have to be a good contributor if you want to be in a signature campaign, those who get in the signature campaign are privileged because they earned it.
They make the forum rich in content, other forum members contributed without a signature but it's their choice not to be part of a signature campaign.

[LoyceV]

If you want a forum without the freedom to advertise in your signature, you can literally choose from thousands of other forums. Go there, and see if it's better than Bitcointalk. If it is, you've found your new place to discuss online. If it isn't, you'll be back.

All we need here is enforcing the Signature Campaign Guidelines. I expect that would end all campaigns that pay useless tokens, some campaigns that pay in Bitcoin but at very low rates (I can think of 2 old online casinos) and it would end the biggest Bitcoin paying spam campaign Stake (check the top 20 posters and see who pays most of them).

[hugeblack]

sooner or later, gambling campaigns will disappear due to more regulatory restrictions, which will force them to participate in signature the campaign to be KYCed members, which is something that will not happen here. If we remove gambling signature campaigns the signature campaigns in the forum will be limited, and perhaps there are only 4-5 campaigns that can continue.
Therefore, the future of paid posting here is not prosperous, as in the past there were altcoin, ICO, IEO, mixers, and most of these campaigns have disappeared now, and you will notice that in the number of posts (spam) for the coming months.

Finally, the problem of spam is not the paid signature campaigns, but rather the failure to inform us about these posts and the laziness of some campaign managers.

[Solosanz]

The forum won't be better if signature campaign get banned, why?

No one cares with reputation, most of users scared of getting negative feedback, it will make them not qualified to join a campaign. So I won't be surprised to see every users will have negative feedback due to disagreement or not being nice.

You will see merit abuse, trust list abuse, trolling etc in everywhere.

And I will probably join one myself if I get a chance one day

you didn't even apply a campaign.

There are two campaigns that accept Member rank and still open for new participants.

[BabyBandit]

The forum won't be better if signature campaign get banned, why?

No one cares with reputation, most of users scared of getting negative feedback, it will make them not qualified to join a campaign. So I won't be surprised to see every users will have negative feedback due to disagreement or not being nice.

You will see merit abuse, trust list abuse, trolling etc in everywhere.

And I will probably join one myself if I get a chance one day

you didn't even apply a campaign.

There are two campaigns that accept Member rank and still open for new participants.

Thanks for informing me about this but I am in no rush to join a signature campaign, and if I gonna apply it should be something I can back up proudly and of course the campaign also need to want me to using them.
But for now I am happy at it is. 

Best regards
/ BabyBandit

[SamReomo]

The forum won't be any better without signature campaigns. Most of the users who are in the signature campaigns try their best to make good and useful posts. The signature campaigns are one of the ways to improve someone's performance and at the same time earn him some money. Let's say if the forum disable all signature campaigns together, then only a few people will be interested to write useful content.

[Learn Bitcoin]

If you want a forum without the freedom to advertise in your signature, you can literally choose from thousands of other forums. Go there, and see if it's better than Bitcointalk. If it is, you've found your new place to discuss online. If it isn't, you'll be back.

I agree with that. Bitcointalk allows you to make money while you are engaging in a genuine conversation. If someone generates spam and the campaign pays for that, it is the failure of that specific project. But, the the Signature campaign also has a good effect on the forum postings. People want to generate better content to earn merits, which helps them to reach ranks.

I expect that would end all campaigns that pay useless tokens, some campaigns that pay in Bitcoin but at very low rates (I can think of 2 old online casinos) and it would end the biggest Bitcoin paying spam campaign Stake (check the top 20 posters and see who pays most of them).

I guess the other one is bitvest. Stake has been doing it for ages now. I have seen an old thread where it was discussed before. The thing is, they do not have any merit requirements and they do not care if those members adding any value or not.

[Synchronice]

Spammer is a spammer, whether you pay them or not. You'll see endless number of people who wear paid signatures and post very high quality posts and you'll also see people who don't wear signature but post lots of spam posts.
I think that high-paying signature campaigns motivate some people to share their knowledge on this forum and also it helps the forum to retain good members and maintain an active community.

sooner or later, gambling campaigns will disappear due to more regulatory restrictions, which will force them to participate in signature the campaign to be KYCed members, which is something that will not happen here.

People who were in mixer signature campaigns, were sending received payment on Binance address and are you really sure that most of them avoid being KYCed in order to participate in campaign? This will only drop the quality but not the quantity.

[Ultegra134]

If you want a forum without the freedom to advertise in your signature, you can literally choose from thousands of other forums. Go there, and see if it's better than Bitcointalk. If it is, you've found your new place to discuss online. If it isn't, you'll be back.

All we need here is enforcing the Signature Campaign Guidelines. I expect that would end all campaigns that pay useless tokens, some campaigns that pay in Bitcoin but at very low rates (I can think of 2 old online casinos) and it would end the biggest Bitcoin paying spam campaign Stake (check the top 20 posters and see who pays most of them).

That's true; 14 out of 20 posters are from Stake. I've noticed that participants in some specific signature campaigns, which I'm not going to name, are generating spam content; generally, it's those that have a high maximum post count. They're often paired with a large number of participants with low payment rates or feature scammy services that attract users other campaigns wouldn't hire, such as 1xbit approximately a year ago.

I'm personally against offering such a high post count, I'd rather make 20 or 30 constructive posts at most, than make 50 or 60 just to earn a few more dollars per week, it isn't worth it, at least for myself.

I'm also here when there are a few signature campaigns and so much spam, people are very more interested in airdrops and bounty campaigns you'll see members with legendary accounts where all their posts are bounty reports, the merit system stops this ranking abuse, you have to be a good contributor if you want to be in a signature campaign, those who get in the signature campaign are privileged because they earned it.
They make the forum rich in content, other forum members contributed without a signature but it's their choice not to be part of a signature campaign.

That's what I'm referring to, some managed to rank-up to Legendary just by posting on bounties, the introduction of the merit system was extremely justified.

[Mia Chloe]

If you want a forum without the freedom to advertise in your signature, you can literally choose from thousands of other forums. Go there, and see if it's better than Bitcointalk. If it is, you've found your new place to discuss online. If it isn't, you'll be back.

Exactly where then is the internet freedom?
Funny how after op makes this post he would rush into applying for a signature campaign before or immediately he is able to hit the full member rank.
People here say a whole lot of things they don't really mean just to please others.

[BabyBandit]

If you want a forum without the freedom to advertise in your signature, you can literally choose from thousands of other forums. Go there, and see if it's better than Bitcointalk. If it is, you've found your new place to discuss online. If it isn't, you'll be back.

Exactly where then is the internet freedom?
Funny how after op makes this post he would rush into applying for a signature campaign before or immediately he is able to hit the full member rank.
People here say a whole lot of things they don't really mean just to please others.

Don't talk like you know me or what I gonna do or not. I understand that this was something you did, but it's nothing I gonna do and I got something you don't and it's called self-respect and I would never promote a shitty casino.

People here say a whole lot of things they don't really mean just to please others.

Yeah. Exactly what you did now. 🍑👅🍭 And the only funny thing here is you that trying to please others and think that you know me and what I gonna do.
Good luck with your life and hope you're 2024 will be great.

The forum won't be any better without signature campaigns. Most of the users who are in the signature campaigns try their best to make good and useful posts. The signature campaigns are one of the ways to improve someone's performance and at the same time earn him some money. Let's say if the forum disabled all signature campaigns together, then only a few people will be interested to write useful content.

A good point of view and thanks for sharing it!

As it stands, we are at a fine balance on allowing signature campaigns and controlling spam on the forum.
If we're to swing ay way, I'll suggest we go towards more regulation for spam and this is a community exercise, meaning if you report posts that are off topic or redundant, it will help the mods to find and delete them.

I personally think the forum is better off with signatures, sure it is an incentive to post and some of those posts might be forced or repetitive, but a huge chunk of them are educative and helpful. Most of what I have learnt from the forum were from users who were wearing signatures. Removing signatures will also cut down on educative posts as well as spam replies.

Yeah, it's good and bad everywhere in the world also on the internet. I never said signature campaigns is a bad thing, I only wonder if the forum would be better without them, but as you see many users took it personal.  
Have a nice weekend mate.

[dkbit98]

I expect that would end all campaigns that pay useless tokens, some campaigns that pay in Bitcoin but at very low rates (I can think of 2 old online casinos) and it would end the biggest Bitcoin paying spam campaign Stake (check the top 20 posters and see who pays most of them).

I think there are worse spam campaigns here, for example Bitvest, but are you trying to create new/old enemy?
Don't you know who is wearing that stake signature all the time, and you are telling us that ego-nasty is biggest oldest spammer in forum now
Don't throw away ''your reputation so recklessly''...

[Rikafip]

I think without the possibility to earning money from posting, this forum would be at least a little bit better but also much less traffic, but maybe the traffic would be much better!?

Remove the signature campaigns and you will remove 90%+ of the forum traffic. Sure, overall post quality in that case would be better as people would only post when they actually have to add something meaningful, but at the same time forum would become completely irrelevant so in the end signature campaigns are necessary to keep this forum alive.

Bitcointalk allows you to make money while you are engaging in a genuine conversation.

Not really. You can be a mindless shitposter and still make a decent income thanks to the fact that there are more spots in signature campaigns than there are quality members.

[Poker Player]

Remove the signature campaigns and you will remove 90%+ of the forum traffic.

I believe it would be 99%+.

Just look at the increase in traffic to the shitcoinstalk forum with the mixer ban here. What has happened is that the mixers have gone to advertise elsewhere and with it many forum members who mostly now write on both forums, but if paid campaigns were banned here what would happen is that virtually everyone who writes here would go to write about the same topics to shitcoinstalk, which also has a Bitcoin section, increasingly active.

[NotATether]

If you want a forum without the freedom to advertise in your signature, you can literally choose from thousands of other forums. Go there, and see if it's better than Bitcointalk. If it is, you've found your new place to discuss online. If it isn't, you'll be back.

It's called Reddit.

[OgNasty]

The forum would be 100% better without signature campaigns.  If signature campaigns were to continue, the right way to do it would be for the forum to allow everyone to advertise and receive equal pay through the forum.

Without signature campaigns, we'd see the useless members here that go around starting drama because they need to post something, disappear.  Builders could build without being harassed just so some useless member can start drama to make a couple bucks posting.  Those who are here only for money would go broke and disappear...  Scammers would get tired of hanging around here and not getting paid to post on alts causing them to disappear...  Obsessing over control of the trust network would also disappear, as these people would have no payback for their time spent trying to get control.  We might even see actual productive members return, and professional forum users find another place to post nonsense. 

[digaran]

After giving it a few minutes, I realized, for real if there were no signature campaigns, what would people like JG do around here? Because I can't think of anything really. You have to consider, what made this forum good enough for businesses to think about advertising here? I'm certain it wasn't the presence of people like PP and JG.