REJECTING FOR WHITELISTING WITHOUT ANY NOTIFICATION

[Shenanigan]

Dear proxybanned applicants, who was rejected for whitelisting by LoyceV, SFR10, Welsh, hugeblack and Upgrade00
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5350260

You can complain here. If you have friends on the forum, you can ask them to report it here

Also I have a question

From now on, I'll stop responding to rejected emails. If you haven't received an email telling you you're whitelisted after a few days, that means I've rejected you. I've sent the same email hundreds of times by now, and want to save some time.

Is such behaviour allowed? Otherwise, it seems that LoyceV did not rejecting the applicants, but is simply sleeping and not performing his functions. A convenient cover for not fulfilling one's duties. I consider that every applicant should receive a letter confirming the rejection of their application.

How can one generally determine whether a person is fulfilling his whitelisting function or not? If there are no statistics on rejected users?

He may be doing everything at random. No control over LoyceV
With the same success, I can add everyone to the whitelists at random and then report here that the work is done

User LoyceV should be punished. His rights of whitelisting should be revoked due negligence

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[tranthidung]

Dear proxybanned apllicants who was rejected for whitelisting by LoyceV, SFR10, Welsh, hugeblack and Upgrade00
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5350260

First why this thread is self-moderated?

Second, not only those members, but forum staffs can whitelist too.

You can complain here. If you have friends on the forum, you can ask them to report it here

You can make it easy by buying the Copper membership that includes whitelisting (automatically). With Copper membership, you will never be rejected and never have to complain anything.

With manual whitelisting, theymos expected majority requests will be rejected.

Only abused IP ranges have to pay a fee. The fee is an anti-abuse measure, and it is not meant to be (and isn't) much of a source of revenue.

If any very-veteran members want to volunteer, I can give you the ability to whitelist users. (All Staff can already whitelist users, as well.) Perhaps then someone could create a topic like "List of email addresses for people who can whitelist you for free", which I could link-to on the evil fee page. However, these IPs have evil for a reason. If it was sufficient for them to just solve a captcha or something, I'd have them do that. Before whitelisting someone, you have to do something to be pretty sure that they're not evading a ban and just going to get banned again. You may get the impression from complaints on the forum that everyone hits the fee and it's never warranted, but this is selection bias: the fee is more rare, and the vast majority of accounts that hit it should not be whitelisted.

[LoyceV]

I've been called "Switzerland" for being neutral and subtle. In your case, I'll make an exception. You, sir, are an idiot for opening 2 topics about me instead of posting in my reputation thread

If you want forum changes, post in Meta. If you want to attack me for whatever reason you made up: knock yourself out
Why don't you complain about all Staff members that have the ability to whitelist users? Or hey, complain about theymos who blocked spammers.

You may get the impression from complaints on the forum that everyone hits the fee and it's never warranted, but this is selection bias: the fee is more rare, and the vast majority of accounts that hit it should not be whitelisted.

But hey, by all means, keep complaining instead of contributing.
Here's what matters: I've whitelisted 294 users, they earned 11699 Merit in total, and only 6 of them got banned. The system isn't perfect, spammers are the reason we can't have nice things.

[Shenanigan]

I've been called "Switzerland" for being neutral and subtle.

You are not neutral, you "don't-give-a-f*ck" man

Stop dodging and answer the questions.

I'll post all whitelisted users in this topic. They can expect scrutiny. If you're a real user and don't deserve the "evil" label, this scrutiny can lead to earning some Merit.

How do you determine whether he is a spammer or not? By the degree of tearfulness in the letters? Or maybe you after all have access to the IP addresses at which your reconciliation the profiles?

What privileges does LoyceV have?

I'm happily married and have healthy kids

LOL. neitral troll is trolling

[LoyceV]

How can one generally determine whether a person is fulfilling his whitelisting function or not?

Read:

Now the tricky part: apart from including your Bitcointalk username, you'll need to convince me you deserve it. I know this sucks, and I hate jumping through hoops too. But it's the best I can do to help new Bitcointalk users without giving spammers a free pass.

If there are no statistics on rejected users?

If I'd provide those statistics, you'd say you can't verify them. I can give you an estimate: I must have rejected about 1000 requests. About 20% of them didn't even send me their username.

Consider this the last time I'm feeding this troll.

[Shenanigan]

Consider this the last time I'm feeding this...

This topic is not for you and your neutral rubbish feedings. Say thank you that I even allow you to be here

This topic for complaints of applicants who was rejected for whitelisting

First why this thread is self-moderated?

All stupid questions - it's to the Thermos. I don't know why he allows self-moderated topics to be created in this section.

I’m also not going to feed the DT system trolls - that’s why I made the topic self-moderating.

[hugeblack]

Can you provide me with a screenshot of the emails you are referring to? I will review it. the last email I received was on January 11, and since the beginning of this year I have only received 3 emails.

In the past, I approved some accounts that were rejected by @LoyceV, so if you contacted @LoyceV, SFR10, Welsh, and Upgrade00 and they were all rejected, then the problem must be related to you.

In general, I have no objection to creating a topic about anyone whose request to be included in the whitelist was rejected for no reason. Just make it a non self-moderated topic.

[Shenanigan]

Can you provide me with a screenshot of the emails you are referring to? I will review it. the last email I received was on January 11, and since the beginning of this year I have only received 3 emails.

LoyceV claims his mailbox is full of requests. A HUNDRED OF TIMES

I've sent the same email hundreds of times by now, and want to save some time.

[hugeblack]

LoyceV claims his mailbox is full of requests. A HUNDRED OF TIMES

That's right, we're talking about ----> LoyceVswitzerland@protonmail.com and not --->  hugeblack_whitelist@protonmail.com.

and I mentioned a specific period, which is December 31 to January 15.

So you don't have a list of screenshots?

[Shenanigan]

LoyceV claims his mailbox is full of requests. A HUNDRED OF TIMES

That's right, we're talking about ----> LoyceVswitzerland@protonmail.com and not --->  hugeblack_whitelist@protonmail.com.

We're talking about LoyceV to a greater extent because he receives the most requests from applicants due to the fact that he is more famous on the forum than you

So you don't have a list of screenshots?

It's to the LoyceV. I dont have access to the LoyceVswitzerland@protonmail.com

If you want a fresh proofs about LoyceV lazyness & negligence, there is a recent:

Well, last year I asked him to whitelist my account, he ignored it

[Upgrade00]

Is such behaviour allowed? Otherwise, it seems that LoyceV did not rejecting the applicants, but is simply sleeping and not performing his functions.

No explicit rules were mentioned besides trying to make sure the users whitelisted are not ban evaders. And most users keep sending emails after a rejection mail has been sent to them, so I can understand LoyceV's position here.

You're free to make a thread and other users are proxybanned users are free to reach out to other users and complain here. But that wouldn't make the process more efficient.

[Shenanigan]

You can make it easy by buying the Copper membership that includes whitelisting (automatically). With Copper membership, you will never be rejected and never have to complain anything.

What makes you think that I need this advice? Address your advice to those who need it.

In the past, I approved some accounts that were rejected by @LoyceV, so if you contacted @LoyceV, SFR10, Welsh, and Upgrade00 and they were all rejected, then the problem must be related to you.

What makes you think that I have some kind of problem? I created this topic for volunteer purposes specifically for those who have this problem. For those people who cannot complain here about dishonest behavior of whitelist-managers.

I wouldn't exactly call the capability to whitelist IP addresses from evil fee as a privilege.

It's volunteer work.

Wow. This is great.
LoyceV is a volunteer and I am also a volunteer.

So you don't have a list of screenshots?

What nonsense are you talking about? These screenshots should be posted here by those who suffered from your actions. Applicants write to you from their emails, risking their privacy, and you stupidly ignore them

In fact, you collect and record these email addresses of applicants, which can then be used for the purposes of blackmail and manipulation. And in return you don't even consider their applications.

In fact, you ignore their requests for whitelisting, but while adding their email addresses to your database

You get everything. They get nothing.

Now the tricky part: apart from including your Bitcointalk username, you'll need to convince me you deserve it. I know this sucks, and I hate jumping through hoops too. But it's the best I can do to help new Bitcointalk users without giving spammers a free pass.

BULLSHIT
It seems to me that you specifically received this position to satisfy your pervert inclinations. This LoyceV seems to love it when people humiliate themselves in front of him. If your letter is not tearful enough, you will not be added to the whitelists. Everybody should know this

[Shishir99]

Consider this the last time I'm feeding this troll.

I thought you were a Thick-Skinned Gang Leader 
You knew the purpose of this thread from the beginning.
To Shenanigan, who pays for this job? What if LoyceV chooses not to respond to anyone and what if never whitelists anyone? Who could create some pressure? theymos? I don't think so. Who are you to question about his responsibility? He is doing it voluntarily and whenever he is free. Why a self-moderated thread? Are you afraid of being criticized? 

[Shenanigan]

Why a self-moderated thread?

Probably to delete your post, which is an offtopic

Thick-Skinned Gangs and assumptions about who pays whom are not discussed upon here. This is an offtopic here

Here we discuss the actions of dishonest whitelist-managers who ignore applicants

[examplens]

Dear proxybanned applicants, who was rejected for whitelisting by LoyceV, SFR10, Welsh, hugeblack and Upgrade00
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5350260

You can complain here. If you have friends on the forum, you can ask them to report it here

Wait, what have I missed here? Do you expect the proxy-banned users to come here and express their complaints? Can they write any post, anywhere on the forum, how will they write anything if they are waiting for approval to access the forum?

[Shenanigan]

Dear proxybanned applicants, who was rejected for whitelisting by LoyceV, SFR10, Welsh, hugeblack and Upgrade00
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5350260

You can complain here. If you have friends on the forum, you can ask them to report it here

Wait, what have I missed here? Do you expect the proxy-banned users to come here and express their complaints? Can they write any post, anywhere on the forum, how will they write anything if they are waiting for approval to access the forum?

They can complain here through their friends on the bitcointalk.org.

Example

Proxybanned user <Somebody> said that he send application to the LoyceVswitzerland@protonmail.com for whitelisting, but LoyceV was ignored him without any notice

Proof: <screen from facebook messenger, imessage, signal etc>

Or they can complain here directly like this user (Rule number 18 allows this):

Well, last year I asked him to whitelist my account, he ignored it

I thought you were a Thick-Skinned Gang Leader  
You knew the purpose of this thread from the beginning.

LOL. Are you sure?  

Consider this the last time I'm feeding this troll.

"When there are no arguments to justify yourself". That's what it's called

[Vod]

The forum must stop paying LoyceV right away!   

[Upgrade00]

Or they can complain here directly like this user (Rule number 18 allows this):

So they should pay the evil fee to remove the restrictions on an alt account only to complain about not being whitelisted when they requested and not getting a rejection email?
That seems like a whole lot of trouble for very little reward.

I'll kindly request other users quoting the OP exclude my name to avoid the repetitive notifications from telegram about this topic.

[Shenanigan]

Or they can complain here directly like this user (Rule number 18 allows this):

So they should pay the evil fee to remove the restrictions on an alt account only to complain about not being whitelisted when they requested and not getting a rejection email?
That seems like a whole lot of trouble for very little reward.

You must be kidding.
Name at least one service that supports such microscopic microtransactions the size of that "evil fees"?

It should to remove LoyceV - and bring back Grin MimbleWimble (or implement something similar)

[Alpha Marine]

You are not neutral, you "don't-give-a-f*ck" man

Not giving a fuck to an extent is a trait I feel everybody should have. There are things people should give a fuck about, but it's certainly not something like what you accuse him of.
The aim is to reduce spammers are much as possible, you don't possibly think that's an easy task.

As he already said, the system is not perfect, but it's better. If he and other staff who have the power to whitelist have whitelisted a few spammers without knowing, best believe they have also rejected a few genuine people without knowing.