Allow to make thread self-moderated even after posting

[libert19]

I didn't make this thread self-moderated when I posted and now I want to as I feel there are few comments that shouldn't be there. Should op be allowed to make thread self-moderated after posting? I.e, able to edit thread later on to make it self-moderated, what do you think?

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It will not be good for a thread that was not self-moderated before to be changed to self-moderated by the OP. People will later abuse it. You will see newbies and other people change a thread to self-moderated and delete the posts that they wishes at anytime which good members will not support on this forum.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Not a good idea. Imagine I create a topic today and then after 4 months I turn it into a self-moderated topic and delete all the posts of those who replied there. 
Scammers would love that so much. Trolls a like.

And this has been discussed several times before, read through the replies
1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5442602
2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4963548.

Just lock that thread and create a new self-moderated topic with a link of the old thread.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Not a good idea. Imagine I create a topic today and then after 4 months I turn it into a self-moderated topic and delete all the posts of those who replied there. 
Scammers would love that so much. Trolls a like.

And then everyone who cares so much about their total post count would be in an uproar, which would then light Meta on fire for at least a month with complaints. 

Don't get me wrong, there have been times when I've created a thread and then after reading some of the standard bitcointalk idiocy wished I could have switched it to a self-moderated one, but the idea of implementing the ability for members to do that would just be bad all around.  Theymos no doubt realizes this and isn't likely to even consider it--kind of like many of the good suggestions that get brought up now and again. (just busting your iron balls, boss man)

[Hispo]

I do not think it would be a necessary feature for the forum, in my opinion. Besides of the arguments already explained how it could be easily abused by spammers, shillers and scammers to get rid of the posts from people trying to call them out, I believe most of the people know exactly when and whether their thread is supposed to be moderated or not, because of the implications and possibly inappropriate replies such thread will prompt from a percentage of the people who decided to read it.

For example, If I decided to open a thread about Bitcoin in Venezuela, I would not have any reason to believe such thread would be better if I moderated it by myself. On the other hand, if I wanted to open a thread about the politics behind the conflict in Gaza or the conflict in Ukraine, it would be very likely some trolls and propaganda spammers would try to derail and flame into the thread, I would make it self moderated as soon as I started to type the body of the thread in question.

If your common sense changed of mind concerning that thread your opened, it would be better you just posted a message in it directing people to find a new self moderated thread about the same topic in the section and lock it.

[hd49728]

I didn't make this thread self-moderated when I posted and now I want to as I feel there are few comments that shouldn't be there. Should op be allowed to make thread self-moderated after posting? I.e, able to edit thread later on to make it self-moderated, what do you think?

If forum allows to change a normal (not self-moderated) thread to a self-moderated thread, scammers will abuse it a lot.

They can start a scam project and manage a thread normally until forum community start to point out some vagueness and scam signals of the project. The team will surely start to turn it to self-moderated to censor scam reports against their scam project.

Your proposal can be good for non scammers but it will be abused by scammers so generally it's not good idea.

In some boards, like Meta, you can not create a self-moderated thread. If you already have a thread in like Reputation board, as a self-moderated one, and you move it to Meta, it will automatically turn to not self moderated thread. You can not move it back to Reputation and reclaim a self-moderated feature.

[Majestic-milf]

 There are some features that will look nice for implementing in the forum like this one you suggested, Op, but judging from the above answers, it's obvious it's a bad idea or a disaster waiting to happen once that access gets into the wrong hands. It's true that some users here will want to use it for good intentions and try to limit as much spam but mostly, those who scam or spammers will see this as an opportunity to spread their misleading informations and not get checked or called out for it simply because they can easily remove any reply that doesn't fit their 'standard' or seems like it's opposing or challenging their claims.

[Yamane_Keto]

Scammers will abuse this feature as they can delete any bad responses to their services and keep the positive one and then all the reviews on the forum will be useless because they are biased. We can reach a compromise, which is to have a warning that this topic could become self-moderated in the future, but then it is better to be self-moderated from the beginning.

[alastantiger]

There would always be comments from trolls, users who comments just to add to their post quota, and the users who make meaningful comments. These are the categories that we can group replies on a thread into. It is therefore important that the OP have this mind before creating a thread. To sieve out the type of comments you want, start the thread by making it self-moderated. I don't know how possible this could be but you can report comments on your thread to the moderators if you think it makes no sense and it comes from trolls or the second category of people I mentioned instead of trying to change it to a self-moderated thread.

[Vod]

This would introduce more problems, esp in the politics of the forum.

If you make a thread self moderated after the fact, you will be accused of censorship.
If you don't make a thread self moderated after you see poor content, you will be accused of favoritism.

[Despairo]

I'm surprised to see no one replied "use report to moderator" when this is actually the alternative answer when the thread isn't self moderated.

I assume the "few comments that shouldn't be there" are shitposts, off topic, pointless etc, so @OP have you report these posts to be deleted?

[lovesmayfamilis]

You always have the opportunity if the answers do not follow the topic, or if you see any trolling, to report it to the moderators.
This will encourage users to follow the topic and not deviate from it.
By doing self-moderation, we, on the contrary, motivate the user to engage in arbitrariness, since not always the one who creates topics, especially in the reputation section, will read the answers that he would like to see.

[AB de Royse777]

I.e, able to edit thread later on to make it self-moderated, what do you think?

The implementation will be good but I don't think it's going to bring any positive impact. You want it self-moderated or not - should be decided when you are creating the topic, changing it after is giving the others to be scared of your moderation even when they made the response knowing it's not going to be moderated.

The worse thing you do it that the mistake of not checking the self-moderated option. I had this experience many times. I usually create another thread and request the moderator to remove the first thread.

[PX-Z]

I'm not a fan of self-moderated thread, i didn't even created one yet. As for the suggestion, if the main reason is you "forgot" to set it to self-moderated thread, and the number of reply is just say 5 or even lower (depends on the admin) i guess it's reasonable. More than that won't be possible.

[aioc]

It's the forum protection against potential scammers, we think twice when posting on moderated threads because if the post is not desirable for the creator he can easily delete the post, so if we have this feature many scammers or potential scammers in the Altcoin section will abuse this feature, we can request post that you think do not deserve to be in your thread to be deleted by the moderators as stated by Despairo.
If ever this feature is to be allowed only highly trusted members should be allowed to use this feature and should not be available to lower-ranked members like newbies selling stuff here.

[Upgrade00]

if the main reason is you "forgot" to set it to self-moderated thread, and the number of reply is just say 5 or even lower (depends on the admin) i guess it's reasonable. More than that won't be possible.

Those "5" or less users did not subscribe to be moderated by you.

Self moderated threads have a warning there telling other users to avoid posting if they don't want to be moderated by the OP, changing it after a user already posted means they get to be subject to something they may have not wanted.

What would make it acceptable is if you can only moderate the thread from the point you changed it to self mod and previous post stays the same.

[BITCOIN4X]

I didn't make this thread self-moderated when I posted and now I want to as I feel there are few comments that shouldn't be there. Should op be allowed to make thread self-moderated after posting? I.e, able to edit thread later on to make it self-moderated, what do you think?

If you think a post needs to be reviewed and removed due to spam or other reasons that break the rules, then just report it to a moderator instead of hoping the admin gives you the right to convert an old thread to self-moderation. You may not think about what the consequences would be if admin gave users that ability, it would just cause a lot of problem.

what do you think?

Don't agree.

[robelneo]

I didn't make this thread self-moderated when I posted and now I want to as I feel there are few comments that shouldn't be there. Should op be allowed to make thread self-moderated after posting? I.e, able to edit thread later on to make it self-moderated, what do you think?

You have a good intention but like all the others are saying on your thread, it will be subject to abuse, honestly, I have created several threads that are unmoderated but wished that I should have moderated them.

If your request would be considered, it should be by request and approved by the moderators so you can clean all the spam on your thread, I don't know if there is a modification software for this.
Once you create an unmoderated thread, especially on a section where posters need to reach their quota the discussion is bound to have spam and posts redundant.

[Husires]

This feature will make some accounts hesitate before posting any ideas, as the creator of the topic may be a troll and delete the posts. Instead of wasting time on a post that can be deleted, it is better to discuss the posts of people who are known to not randomly delete replies. This feature will increase drama between the members.

[uchegod-21]

I didn't make this thread self-moderated when I posted and now I want to as I feel there are few comments that shouldn't be there. Should op be allowed to make thread self-moderated after posting? I.e, able to edit thread later on to make it self-moderated, what do you think?

I have seen such a request here on meta for some time ago. In as much as there is a great advantage if this is implemented but I think the disadvantages overweighs the advantages.

If you already made the post non self moderated and later realises that it ought to be self moderated, simply lock the thread and re-start a self moderated one and that solves it.