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January 23, 2024, 10:13:29 AM
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Since mixers were banned on our forum, some users like an op who said
No!! Mixers don't work anymore, stay away from them.
have gotten the wrong idea that tumblers (mixing services) are not good or no longer exist, which I believe is incorrect. Tumblers are services created to significantly enhance the privacy of Bitcoin. With the services mixers offer, you can conceal the trace of your transaction. The process is straightforward. From the point of mining to its current location or holder, you can track every bitcoin on the blockchain. This is why tumblers exist, as they mix your old coins to provide you with enough privacy for your transaction. After the ban on these mixer services on the forum, some of them migrated to Altcoinstalk, which not every member prefers.
 
Newcomers may be confused, thinking that since they were banned here, they can no longer use them, which is not true. These services are still available, but don't promote or have anything to do with them relating to this forum, or you will face penalties. You should exercise caution, which is necessary to avoid potential issues using such services. If you choose not to use them, you might inquire about other mixing methods that can enhance the privacy of Bitcoin. These methods offer more privacy and decentralization compared to centralized mixers.
 
Some of these other means to improve privacy are
 
COINJOIN
CoinJoin is a privacy technique used in cryptocurrency transactions, particularly in Bitcoin. It literally involves combining multiple transactions from different users into a single transaction. This makes it challenging to trace the origin and destination of individual funds, enhancing privacy for users. The whole process works by participants agreeing to create a joint transaction where inputs and outputs are shuffled, making it difficult to link specific coins to specific users, and this helps break the chain of transaction history, providing a higher level of privacy and fungibility in cryptocurrencies. You might be wondering if the coinjoin isn't the same as the mixer, but it isn't. It's a type of tumbling method, but it's more decentralized. In coin join, the higher the number of participants who are available for a mix, the higher the level of privacy involved. CoinJoin implementations include JoinMarket, Wasabi Wallet,

JoinMarket is an open source platform that facilitates CoinJoin transactions on the Bitcoin network. It allows users to mix their bitcoins with others, breaking the link between input and output addresses and enhancing transaction privacy. joinMarket operates in a decentralized manner, with users acting as both liquidity providers (makers) and takers in the mixing process.
 
The Wasabi Wallet is a Bitcoin wallet that focuses on privacy, aiming to make Bitcoin transactions more anonymous. It uses a method called Chaumian CoinJoin, mixing users' transactions for increased privacy. Additionally, it works with the Tor network, adding an extra layer of privacy by hiding users' IP addresses.

XMR MONERO
Monero (XMR) is a cryptocurrency that prioritizes privacy, aiming to make transactions more anonymous. To achieve its aim, Monero employs sophisticated cryptographic techniques like ring signatures, which blend the spender's signature with others, making it difficult to pinpoint the actual sender. Also it uses stealth addresses to generate unique addresses for each transaction, ensuring the privacy of the recipient. Monero hides the transaction amount with confidential transactions. By using these features, it ensures strong privacy and fungibility, making it hard to trace transactions or link addresses. This boosts user confidentiality and safeguards against government, hacker, or public surveillance. Monero's dedication to privacy has made it a favored option for those wanting highly anonymous financial transactions.
 
For a user who wishes to increase privacy by using a mixing method, you can try using some of the above methods. Mixers services are centralized, and as a user who wants to increase privacy, you are entrusting your funds to them in the hope that you might get them back. A lot of issues with previous mixing services on the forum have shown that mixing services cannot be trusted as they are centralized, and most of them may be scams or involved in fraudulent acts. When you consider using such a service, you should be cautious. It would be much better to go for the above mentioned mixing method, as it's more decentralized and has increased privacy compared to centralized mixers.

You may want to read more on this:

CoinJoin: Bitcoin privacy for the real world
Monero (XME) Cryptocurrency: Definition,
Beginner's Guide to CoinJoin
[Guide] Decent mixing methods

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January 23, 2024, 10:34:48 AM
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Samourai wallet and Wasabi wallet came from a same team in the past but they separated in developments. After that development team fork, there are two different wallets developed by two different teams.

Samourai wallet is a good one to use for privacy.

Enhanced privacy with Wasabi & Samourai wallets. I wrote it in 2019 and you knew there are many changes with Wasabi wallet recent years.

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January 23, 2024, 10:40:57 AM
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If you choose not to use them, you might inquire about other mixing methods that can enhance the privacy of Bitcoin.
But just like you meant, banning them on this forum does not mean mixers are bad or not trustworthy. People can continue to use them. To find reputed mixers, this would be helpful:

2023 List Bitcoin Mixers Bitcoin Tumblers Websites

On Altcoinstalks, you can see the forum ads and signature ads of many of some reputed mixers like Mixers and Thormixer there.

Recommended Coinjoin are: Whirlpool of Sparrow and Samourai wallet, and the Coinjoin of Jointmarket.

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January 23, 2024, 11:36:34 AM
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Since mixers were banned on our forum, some users like an op who said
No!! Mixers don't work anymore, stay away from them.
This is simply not true. Mixers are banned only from this forum. they are not allowed to promote their services or post-announcement threads here. but that doesn't mean that Mixers don't work anymore. Mixers are fully functional and still provide services to thousands of people out there.
they are now Using AltcoinsTalk forum for their promotions and signatures campaigns..

Mixers services are centralized, and as a user who wants to increase privacy, you are entrusting your funds to them in the hope that you might get them back. A lot of issues with previous mixing services on the forum have shown that mixing services cannot be trusted as they are centralized, and most of them may be scams or involved in fraudulent acts.
this can be true. but still a lot of people prefer to use mixers because their privacy is so important to them.
but I think there are some decentralized mixers also available.









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Last edit: January 23, 2024, 12:10:51 PM by BlackHatCoiner
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This topic is a duplicate to an old of mine, where I make an efficiency and price comparison between coinjoin, XMR and mixers. Have a look.

The most efficient mixer is Monero, there is no doubt. What matters is how you exchange your bitcoin for it. If you prioritize self-custody, then I'd recommend you to trade in Bisq. If you prioritize comfort (and pricing sometimes?), maybe you should check an exchanger like eXch.

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January 23, 2024, 01:18:37 PM
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Samourai wallet and Wasabi wallet came from a same team in the past but they separated in developments. After that development team fork, there are two different wallets developed by two different teams.

Samourai wallet is a good one to use for privacy.

Enhanced privacy with Wasabi & Samourai wallets. I wrote it in 2019 and you knew there are many changes with Wasabi wallet recent years.

Is privacy on bitcoin really privacy? Are they completely privacy? I am just asking because Bitcoin isn't a privacy coin from ground up, I don't see how privacy is a thing here, comparing Bitcoin to Monero in terms of privacy is night and day, Monero was solely built with privacy in mind and that makes it a better privacy coin, Bitcoin isn't created to be one, so I don't expect all these wallets to make Bitcoin a real privacy coin that's not.

it's not really my thing to hide bitcoin transactions, but why buy Bitcoin for privacy transactions in the first place when you can just exchange to Monero and start your privacy journey easily? You can't use a drug for infection to threat headache.
 
You need privacy? Use Monero or others with privacy in-built, you need a digital currency built with decentralization in mind? Trust and use Bitcoin.

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The most efficient mixer is Monero, there is no doubt. What matters is how you exchange your bitcoin for it. If you prioritize self-custody, then I'd recommend you to trade in Bisq. If you prioritize comfort (and pricing sometimes?), maybe you should check an exchanger like eXch.
It is worth knowing that https://bisq.network/ has Tor in-built but https://exch.cx/ does not have that. Or is that wrong? If https://exch.cx/ is not having in-built Tor, it is better to use Tor for it. You can easily access it on Tor on both desktop and mobile devices. Its an instant exchanges and conversion from bitcoin to monero and back to bitcoin will be faster.

If someone can go for the fee of 1.6%, [banned mixer] advance mixing is also recommended if you want to mix using monero.

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The most efficient mixer is Monero, there is no doubt. What matters is how you exchange your bitcoin for it. If you prioritize self-custody, then I'd recommend you to trade in Bisq. If you prioritize comfort (and pricing sometimes?), maybe you should check an exchanger like eXch.
This has always been one of my favorite option to swap and increase coin privacy in the past and even now if I even have need for that, it requires little to no experience to exchange your bitcoin to Monero but one thing which I think always discourage other from using the option is finding a suitable Per on the P2P sometimes if I create an order in exchange like it takes almost more than 2hrs to fine a suitable dealer.

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Using mixer is not that bad for the privacy we want, just that the government are the ones giving them tough times which is affecting their way of operation, not that using them is unsafe for us, but considering alternatives for using them, we can make use of the gambling platforms easily to serve for these purpose, the other option given above by OP is not a bad idea as well, we can make use of any just to ensure running after our privacy while using crypto.

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Regardless of how you want to achieve privacy, always keep in mind that privacy is something you cannot take for granted and that you must always keep in mind that mixers and all other methods are not completely resistant to various blockchain analysis methods in which a lot of money has been invested and which have been developing for at least the past ten years.

The key thing is that the average user should know that if he uses any "mixing" method, he may have problems in the further use of those coins, considering that centralized services may mark them as tainted and therefore reject or confiscate them. Therefore, always make sure that such actions do not come back to you like a boomerang, especially if you have no reason to hide anything from anyone.

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Some of these other means to improve privacy are
Another way to sort of improve privacy with Bitcoin is by using Lightning Network and second layers solutions like Liquid Network that has confidential transactions.
This is not perfect privacy and you do have to peg-in and peg-out or swap back onchain at certain point, but it is much better for using with smaller transactions, especially when transaction fees are higher.
I am sure we are going to see more solutions like this in near future that are backed by bitcoin, and combining them with other tools will give much better results.
Good wallets supporting Liquid assets (L-BTC, L-USDT, etc) are Aqua wallet, Green wallet, Specter wallet and Jade HW.





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Another way to sort of improve privacy with Bitcoin is by using Lightning Network and second 

On creating this op, I also taught of adding the zcash as another cryptocurrency that can increase privacy. But Zcash is known for its advanced privacy features, utilizing zero knowledge proofs to enable private transactions. It also can be a good alternative for those seeking enhanced privacy in cryptocurrency transactions. But what I think disqualified it is it concerns about adoption, regulatory scrutiny, and the complexity of its privacy features, which may deter some users or businesses.
From this we can conclude that there many other ways to increase your privacy it now depends more on the users choice of preferences.

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January 24, 2024, 02:35:00 AM
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Another way to sort of improve privacy with Bitcoin is by using Lightning Network and second 

On creating this op, I also taught of adding the zcash as another cryptocurrency that can increase privacy. But Zcash is known for its advanced privacy features, utilizing zero knowledge proofs to enable private transactions. It also can be a good alternative for those seeking enhanced privacy in cryptocurrency transactions. But what I think disqualified it is it concerns about adoption, regulatory scrutiny, and the complexity of its privacy features, which may deter some users or businesses.
From this we can conclude that there many other ways to increase your privacy it now depends more on the users choice of preferences.
Indeed there are,  especially in relation to moving one's coin.
But whats the essence of all this when some don't even try to use browser or apps that don't implicitly collect their data
or individuals that share their personal details on social media.
They try to hide their transactions but not their datas
Sigh that's hypocritic to me.
Thanks for the thread
Been a fan of protecting privacy/ personal data as of late.  Smiley

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It is true that using Monero breaks the connection between input and output addresses and enhances privacy, but it is not considered a mixer because if your address is added to the blacklist, you are pushing the problem from your address to someone else's address, who if he decides to deposit, that address will be frozen or blocked. If you decide to reverse transfer from Monero to Bitcoin, there is a possibility that you will recover the same currencies and you will lose exchange fees.

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