News: Supreme Court allows border agents to remove razor wire in Texas

[Hispo]

Supreme Court allows border agents to remove razor wire in Texas

Source: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/22/supreme-court-allows-border-agents-to-remove-razor-wire-in-texas-00137059

Federal border patrol agents may remove razor wire installed by Texas along the U.S.-Mexico border, the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 Monday — a major victory for the Biden administration in an ongoing immigration policy dispute with the state’s Republican governor, Greg Abbott.

The terse, one-page order followed a DOJ filing on Jan. 12 that alleged Texas had blocked Border Patrol’s access to parts of the border and asked the court to intervene.

I saw this news back a couple of days ago and I realized there was much being discussed about it in social media, specially on Twitter/X. Tucker Carlson and other Republican/Conversative personalities are implying this is proof of the invasion of the United States of America and the involvement of the Democrat party in such alleged plan. Others may argue it is about a issue of human rights, it depends whom one asks about it.
Beyond the implications of the treatment to immigrants, it certainly makes me think about the separation of powers between and the federal government is supposed to be allowed to do and the same in the case of the State government, being Greg Abott the one who tried to make the wire to stay in place where it is. I have also seen people suggesting the ruling of the Supreme court to be ignored in the State of Texas, I don't know how viable would be and even how legal it would be in the eyes of the federal government to go that way and ignore rulings.

Anyways, what do you think of this? Is this the federal government running over the state's rights ? Do you agree with the removal of those razor wires in the border? Is there a real chance the governor of Texas will simply ignore the SCOTUS. ?

[Ucy]

No need to ignore the Supreme Court. But whether he ignores it or not, what will happen will happen. He can't swim against the tide.


Money/riches is what's mostly driving those immigrants,which is not suppose to be. So they are allowed according to their wishes, in order to be punished.
The world was given an opportunity to know the truth and flee the system (matrix) and join the right one. People are currently deciding now. Some are leaving the system while most are moving deeper into it. The time of judgment is near. When it begins, no one should say he was not warned.
The system needs more slaves/immigrants, and to remove them from their natural habitat to cities or artificial/controlled ones. Then there will be choas/crisis, which will be difficult to stop. The Red King will manage to bring some sort of order. When he leaves, no one will be able to maintain the order,  a messiah (a false one) will arise and make them have his "mark" which will be use to identify and control his slaves.

[Kelward]

Immigration is a national security matter and I think that the federal government should have an upper hand in legislating who comes into the country, and as you said that the supreme court has allowed that razor wire be removed in Texas, border, I think that the state should comply and respect the rule of law. The issue of immigration is a very big concern worldwide, due to the economic hardship in many countries, their citizens are migrating in large numbers to countries with stable economies to have a better life, so these countries needs to have strong immigration laws and be strict about it, inorder not to have immigrants that will overwelm their workforce and bring criminals into their counties. I hope that the US federal and Texas state government can work together for the interest of their citizens.

I'm not an American, so I don't know if there's any political undertone to this immigration matters that keeps reoccuring, because I know that Trump, was anti immigrants, and now this is an election year.

[paxmao]

Immigration is a national security matter and I think that the federal government should have an upper hand in legislating who comes into the country, and as you said that the supreme court has allowed that razor wire be removed in Texas, border, I think that the state should comply and respect the rule of law. The issue of immigration is a very big concern worldwide, due to the economic hardship in many countries, their citizens are migrating in large numbers to countries with stable economies to have a better life, so these countries needs to have strong immigration laws and be strict about it, inorder not to have immigrants that will overwelm their workforce and bring criminals into their counties. I hope that the US federal and Texas state government can work together for the interest of their citizens.

I'm not an American, so I don't know if there's any political undertone to this immigration matters that keeps reoccuring, because I know that Trump, was anti immigrants, and now this is an election year.

Excuse me, how is immigration a national security matter? The largest part of the migrants are looking for a honest opportunity to work an have a decent life.

This is not a "security" matter, it is something that needs to be managed so that the people that are more beneficial for the economy of the host country are effectively brought in and integrate well in the economy.

[Hispo]

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Excuse me, how is immigration a national security matter? The largest part of the migrants are looking for a honest opportunity to work an have a decent life.

This is not a "security" matter, it is something that needs to be managed so that the people that are more beneficial for the economy of the host country are effectively brought in and integrate well in the economy.

It is a narrative which has been pushed lately in the political right media in the United States on the dangers which alledgely the average American people could face because of the state of the southern border with Mexico. It is not secret Trump has already stigmatized those who cross, by tagged them as criminals, terrorist in disguise and even patients from mental institutions who are being sent to the southern border of the United States. Even though it sounds ridiculous, he may be leveraging on what alledgely happened between Cuba and the United States when tensions were higher between the Havanna and Washigton, taking advantage of the prefered status of Cubans who managed to escape to Florida, the regime sent criminals there, in order to get rid of them.
I doubt Trump has learnt enough about history to even realize this comparison and use it in his favor, though.
Sadly, the reality is much of the voter base indeed sees a problem in the immigrant crisis, even in sanctuary cities, the mayors seem to be feeling the pitch of having to take care and provide human conditions to foreigners waiting for their asylum cases to be heard.

If you were somehow convinced there were thousands of "dangerous people being poured" in your country you would also allow Fox to wash your brain.

[DeathAngel]

It’s not just the US, we have it in Europe also, waves & waves of immigrants arriving on our shores. Most of them just can not adapt to our way of life. They don’t want to work, they are sexual deviants. I would be happy to see much stricter rules on immigration. It’s OK to take some women & children from war torn countries but all I see is military aged men arriving. I don’t like it, no.

[paxmao]

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Excuse me, how is immigration a national security matter? The largest part of the migrants are looking for a honest opportunity to work an have a decent life.

This is not a "security" matter, it is something that needs to be managed so that the people that are more beneficial for the economy of the host country are effectively brought in and integrate well in the economy.

It is a narrative which has been pushed lately in the political right media in the United States on the dangers which alledgely the average American people could face because of the state of the southern border with Mexico. It is not secret Trump has already stigmatized those who cross, by tagged them as criminals, terrorist in disguise and even patients from mental institutions who are being sent to the southern border of the United States. Even though it sounds ridiculous, he may be leveraging on what alledgely happened between Cuba and the United States when tensions were higher between the Havanna and Washigton, taking advantage of the prefered status of Cubans who managed to escape to Florida, the regime sent criminals there, in order to get rid of them.
I doubt Trump has learnt enough about history to even realize this comparison and use it in his favor, though.
Sadly, the reality is much of the voter base indeed sees a problem in the immigrant crisis, even in sanctuary cities, the mayors seem to be feeling the pitch of having to take care and provide human conditions to foreigners waiting for their asylum cases to be heard.

If you were somehow convinced there were thousands of "dangerous people being poured" in your country you would also allow Fox to wash your brain.

All countries in EU, US... Australia... all are getting waves of immigration, but that is no a security issue ever. However there is a problem with "pouring people" anywere even if they are not criminals or the like, since you have to find living places, services, police, schools... Is not a safety issue at all, it is a social issue and it can be a significant one.

[Hispo]

It’s not just the US, we have it in Europe also, waves & waves of immigrants arriving on our shores. Most of them just can not adapt to our way of life. They don’t want to work, they are sexual deviants. I would be happy to see much stricter rules on immigration. It’s OK to take some women & children from war torn countries but all I see is military aged men arriving. I don’t like it, no.

Are you from central or southern Europe, because of the way you say they arrive to your shores, it makes me assume your country have some connection to the Mediterranean sea. Anyways, it also catches my attention of you point out those immigrants about alledgely being sexual deviants. What do you exactly mean with that? What is a sexual deviant to you?
Because to me, a sexual deviant is someone who would dare to sexually pray on children or abuse the elderly, some sexual conduct that like is unacceptable, of course.
You do not even try to say "some" of them could be sexual deviants, instead you go into a full generalization and accuse all of them of such disgusting stuff.  

By the way, what is up with calling young adults "military aged" now? Is "young adult" a too soft term to talk about them because it does not imply they can be dangerous ?

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Excuse me, how is immigration a national security matter? The largest part of the migrants are looking for a honest opportunity to work an have a decent life.

This is not a "security" matter, it is something that needs to be managed so that the people that are more beneficial for the economy of the host country are effectively brought in and integrate well in the economy.

It is a narrative which has been pushed lately in the political right media in the United States on the dangers which alledgely the average American people could face because of the state of the southern border with Mexico. It is not secret Trump has already stigmatized those who cross, by tagged them as criminals, terrorist in disguise and even patients from mental institutions who are being sent to the southern border of the United States. Even though it sounds ridiculous, he may be leveraging on what alledgely happened between Cuba and the United States when tensions were higher between the Havanna and Washigton, taking advantage of the prefered status of Cubans who managed to escape to Florida, the regime sent criminals there, in order to get rid of them.
I doubt Trump has learnt enough about history to even realize this comparison and use it in his favor, though.
Sadly, the reality is much of the voter base indeed sees a problem in the immigrant crisis, even in sanctuary cities, the mayors seem to be feeling the pitch of having to take care and provide human conditions to foreigners waiting for their asylum cases to be heard.

If you were somehow convinced there were thousands of "dangerous people being poured" in your country you would also allow Fox to wash your brain.

All countries in EU, US... Australia... all are getting waves of immigration, but that is no a security issue ever. However there is a problem with "pouring people" anywere even if they are not criminals or the like, since you have to find living places, services, police, schools... Is not a safety issue at all, it is a social issue and it can be a significant one.

It can be a significant one, specially because the average person living in the United States or the European Union does not want to see their tax money being used to accommodate foreigners when there must be others things to solve for their own citizens first. Or at least, that is what I have read from the political right lately. I am not sure to what extent immigrants are supposed to pay taxes, but it would relieve all the charge on the shoulders of the citizens if they did, in my opinion.  No ideas whether that is legal or not.

[kentrolla]

I guess the entire Europe and west is facing the immigrant inflow issue and in the last ten years  it has increased by multifold because of so many wars and conflicts which has taken place and instead of trying to find a way to curb them it they should be welcomed and an opportunity should be provided to them because most of them has been escaping wars, terrorism, poverty and hunger in their natives. These boundaries are created to divide us let's just follow one race as humanity.

I know this sounds weird but we are just making heir life more miserable and feeding them to human trafficking gangs by creating restrictions.

[Hispo]

I guess the entire Europe and west is facing the immigrant inflow issue and in the last ten years  it has increased by multifold because of so many wars and conflicts which has taken place and instead of trying to find a way to curb them it they should be welcomed and an opportunity should be provided to them because most of them has been escaping wars, terrorism, poverty and hunger in their natives. These boundaries are created to divide us let's just follow one race as humanity.

I know this sounds weird but we are just making heir life more miserable and feeding them to human trafficking gangs by creating restrictions.

Much of the things you say are true. In the end nobody wants to leave their family, friends and country, most of those immigrants do it because of need, whether because of war or because they cannot sustain themselves in their local economies.
People would like it to be as simple as welcoming those immigrants in their countries, I think Germany tried to, but it is not as easy. Those people need food, shelter, many of them are children who need education and adults need jobs to serve the new society which has become their home, those things require investment in housing, infrastructure and staff. It is money which is seldom not available, not even in rich countries like those in the United States. There is a good reason the mayor of NY city was calling for help from the federal government to fund the relief of the immigrant crisis in his state.
It would be easy if people did not have to move from the native countries, that would mean stopping wars and fighting climate change, difficult to achieve with so many warmongers and denialism on the climate change.

[btc78]

The country is making huge efforts in keeping people out or keeping people from getting inside the country illegally there could be two ways to look at this: (a) like you said, a humanitarian issue because immigrants are still humans and they do not deserve to be hurt even if they are crossing a country illegally (b) the rules are getting looser and so will the gates immigrants were already abundant but even more so now

I can empathize with immigrants but there is a reason why the country is trying to control who goes in or go out because once you are in american soil, the American government has to serve you and you would be using services unbeknownst to the government

[Volimack]

Many wars have been fought between them so the country has generally barred them from entering to maintain national security. Many people do bad things illegally. That's why razor wire prevents immigrants who have already crossed the border into the United States from reaching border agents. Maybe the government is creating this opportunity now that everything is under control.

[Hispo]

Many of you may be aware now on how the situation with the southern border of Texas has developed in these days. Texas has continued to defy the federal ruling on the use of razor wire to keep immigrants from entering the United States, and there have been more than a dozen of States which have gotten their Governor to sign letters and express their solidarity with the goverment of Texas.
Many irresponsible people in the Right are already talking about civil war over the right Texas has to defend its borders. Some many of them pointing out the first American Civil war as also on the issue of the rights of the states over the orders issued by the federal government. Regardless of that Texas and the Federal governments decided to do, the people cannot and should not allow the narrative of civil violence to become normalized in the media, that is what the adversaries of the United States would wish the most, for the people of the USA to weaken themselves.

Also, for the people and the taxpayers not to bear all the weight on the illegal immigration, immigrants could get taxed as well, according to their income and their legal status in the country, just an idea, though I am not sure how many people would agree with it, I doubt it would pas as law in the house of representative and the Senate, even if it made sense in the eyes of the IRS and the president.