If you are paid while working for the Church , You will be Poor

[Funke]

In today's being the second day of the Glory Reign program, the general overseer of the Salvation Ministry Church, Pastor David Ibiyomie said, those who renders services in the church that are paid will never escape poverty.

-How True is This?

1 Timothy 5:18 , Luke 10: 7, Matthew 10:10 : The bible said a workman is worthy of his wages, the bible instructed that , the church should pay it elders and workers especially those that are teaching in the church.
https://www.dwellcc.org/essays/new-testament-principles-church-finance

Although pastors are humans therefore does not have the feature of infallibility but, they should make more researches to issues rather than putting their emotions into interpreting the bible.

The Winners Chapel in 2022 employed pastors on a payroll of 40,000 Nigerian Naira, does Ibiyomie mean his mentor , David Oyedepo is wrong or Jesus is wrong? Of course no and there is no such curse of poverty placed on church workers.

How does the church want a family man who is dedicated to the church work to survive to continue working in the church.

Do you think Ibiyomie is right?

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[Ever-young]

Carry religious debate go were them belong and here to be were to judge which pastor they right and which one way they wrong beside you know no if everybody nah Christian for here all or, I know no how others go view this topic but to me I see am as watin suppose belong to off topic or some kind face book debate post and no be matter to carry come forum here were serious things need to dy discussed.

[Stable090]

In today's being the second day of the Glory Reign program, the general overseer of the Salvation Ministry Church, Pastor David Ibiyomie said, those who renders services in the church that are paid will never escape poverty.

-How True is This?

1 Timothy 5:18 , Luke 10: 7, Matthew 10:10 : The bible said a workman is worthy of his wages, the bible instructed that , the church should pay it elders and workers especially those that are teaching in the church.
https://www.dwellcc.org/essays/new-testament-principles-church-finance

Although pastors are humans therefore does not have the feature of infallibility but, they should make more researches to issues rather than putting their emotions into interpreting the bible.

The Winners Chapel in 2022 employed pastors on a payroll of 40,000 Nigerian Naira, does Ibiyomie mean his mentor , David Oyedepo is wrong or Jesus is wrong? Of course no and there is no such curse of poverty placed on church workers.

How does the church want a family man who is dedicated to the church work to survive to continue working in the church.

Do you think Ibiyomie is right?

Boss dis place wey u dey no be church now, and no be because of conversation na y dem create dis local board now, you urself read Wetin you post for here, and compare am with d reason why dis forum was created, e no really go well now. Religion matter no suppose dey public place like dis forum now, seriously e no make sense at all, the best thing wey u go do now na to lock dis thread, and never create a thread like this again, and incase if you no lock am, me I don report the post give moderator, which I will encourage other members to do so, at least the thread will be taken down. Make we no use thread like dis create problem for ourselves.

[Mate2237]

Op by now you supposed know say we can't argue religion matter for here in the forum. Dis place no be to argue Bible or others but you can just ship in Bible stories in your thread as a reference Source. Like now how you want us argue shey him correct or not. E no dey possible. Him tok am for reason oh. I think other people sef e don tell you.

Na di mistake many people wey dey come dis forum dey do oh. Mostly those bible scholars. Wen dem come dem go leave weti carry dem come and preach di gospel to people to repent. Forum accept all that but you have to know when, where and how to use them.

[iBaba]

Carry religious debate go were them belong and here to be were to judge which pastor they right and which one way they wrong beside you know no if everybody nah Christian for here all or, I know no how others go view this topic but to me I see am as watin suppose belong to off topic or some kind face book debate post and no be matter to carry come forum here were serious things need to dy discussed.

I no really know why some people go they discuss these core religious subjects here when they do not truly reflect the essence why we are here especially with the subject like this.

But for the sake and spirit of contributions, I will like to mention that where you work does have really have t  anything to do with the the income you make per church. Working in the church should usually come with many arrangements as similar to the normal working environment.

[Pi-network314159]

Funke I think you should try to improve by watching what others are doing. Before was Popular Naija Short Stories in Schools  now is If you are paid while working for the Church , You will be Poor if you continue like this people will not be able to take you seriously because it's like you don't know the main purpose of coming here. Christianity matter don't need to be argued. Many people might be Christians here but bringing a particular church and G.O here is like summoning demons to come for a feast. And when it start happening you might not be able to continue the conversation. So sudjest you Lock this topic. If you don't have tangible thread to create you can comment on people's threads thank you.

[Barikui1]

Op like seriously? You really create this thread for us to start to discuss religious matter? You don ever ask yourself the reason you come here, abeg stop this thing way you dy do abeg, just as wetin @pi-network don talk already, try look at wetin others dy do, try follow people wey know road abeg, because na for ur own good, see make I tell, anytime you no get anything to post just rest, because as a human being wey we be, we dy mostly give ourselves respect base on wetin come out from our mouth and our ways of doing things, so try your possible best to show maturity by staying mute if you have nothing to say, to save urself from unnecessary criticism.

[Mayor of ogba]

Op we still dey complain about how to stop people from creating shitposts for the local board. You come still dey create your own. Ask me how this thread will help us talk about bitcoin. Make we no just create anything wey enters our mind just because say we dey find merit. If you no say your post no go dey helpful to us, just leave the post and contribute to other people's posts wey dey helpful, and you can still earn merit with other people's posts if you contribute a meaningful comment.

[jrrsparkles]

Fuck, if someone expects you to work and never get paid then it's wrong and what they are interested in the name of religion is old-age slave culture.

You can get our of poverty only if you make money, God ain't coming to save anyone and whoever says that are stupid, ignorant morons.

You can become rich even by doing crimes, that is the reality.

[Zlantann]

How does the church want a family man who is dedicated to the church work to survive to continue working in the church.

Do you think Ibiyomie is right?

Many people who claim to be religious are lazy and this has made them ignorant. Every religion has Holy Books that should be a standard for believers to follow. These Books are supposed to guide these religious followers and anything outside the inspired work shouldn't be followed. But the problem now is that these so-called religious faithful are too lazy or busy to read these books. They now depend on men to interpret the content of these Holy Books. I don't criticise or judge any religious preacher because they don't force people to believe what they say and joining a religious organisation is not by force. If you don't like what a preacher is saying, the simple thing to do is not to believe or apply it, instead of coming up with attacks or open criticism. If a man decides that he wants to work freely for a church because he believes that God will bless him through his selfless service, that is his choice. But it doesn't also mean that another man who asks for pay from a church is wrong. Both of them are right based on how they see the topic or their beliefs.      

[Dunamisx]

In today's being the second day of the Glory Reign program, the general overseer of the Salvation Ministry Church, Pastor David Ibiyomie said, those who renders services in the church that are paid will never escape poverty.

Are the pastors not being paid,were they not rendering services to the church, people try to defend some aspect and pretend they are normal while some areas they take with every seriousness, some are referring to the instrumentalist that played for the church, they will say that it's something better they left being unpaid for their service than collecting money for any service rendered, let everyone's guilty conscience keep hunting after him.

[btc78]

Are not most pastors want to serve the God and the church more instead of thinking about the profit?

Working for the church is not something to be considered if you think you can not gain any profit from it serving in the church should come as a will and not because you think you can make money from it anyway there are donations that come in to church but are still used for the development of the church and not of the pastor

[Gozie51]

Working for the church is not something to be considered if you think you can not gain any profit from it serving in the church should come as a will and not because you think you can make money from it anyway there are donations that come in to church but are still used for the development of the church and not of the pastor

Working for church and being a church worker is different. If someone has no other job and is going to labour daily in the church and working month to month, how do we expect the person to survive without being paid to take care of the family? Just like the pastor that benefits from the church including being paid salary as some churches do to full time pastors. After all some churches employee people that are not their members to do certain jobs for them like gate men and other services that they can't get members to do, don't they pay those people?

All the investment that churches have, like those that have schools, malls etc don't they pay works? Or is it only pastor that will be eating all church donations 

[Miles2006]

The Winners Chapel in 2022 employed pastors on a payroll of 40,000 Nigerian Naira, does Ibiyomie mean his mentor , David Oyedepo is wrong or Jesus is wrong? Of course no and there is no such curse of poverty placed on church workers.

No one is actually wrong here and the word pastor Ibiyomie said  is not so bad to criticize him, any pastor that finds fault in his word is Just too lazy and idle to work hard, do you know people now play drum and instruments in the church all because of money. The church is not met for making money, you made a reference using a Bible verse and same bible said in 2 Thessalonians chapter 3:10 "if a man will not work, he shall not eat (NIV). You're actually saying preaching the word is now a daily job or what?, preach the word and let people have salvation and be free from sin not by extracting money from members or the church, that's very wrong and I love pastors who always preach against this act because the Bible never said this to be honest.

[Uhwuchukwu53]

In today's being the second day of the Glory Reign program, the general overseer of the Salvation Ministry Church, Pastor David Ibiyomie said, those who renders services in the church that are paid will never escape poverty.

-How True is This?

1 Timothy 5:18 , Luke 10: 7, Matthew 10:10 : The bible said a workman is worthy of his wages, the bible instructed that , the church should pay it elders and workers especially those that are teaching in the church.
https://www.dwellcc.org/essays/new-testament-principles-church-finance

Although pastors are humans therefore does not have the feature of infallibility but, they should make more researches to issues rather than putting their emotions into interpreting the bible.

The Winners Chapel in 2022 employed pastors on a payroll of 40,000 Nigerian Naira, does Ibiyomie mean his mentor , David Oyedepo is wrong or Jesus is wrong? Of course no and there is no such curse of poverty placed on church workers.

How does the church want a family man who is dedicated to the church work to survive to continue working in the church.

Do you think Ibiyomie is right?

 this topic is a misplaced priority indisense that it doesn't belong here, we have platform for religious  matter and some time arguing on those believe may not add or subtract, because whoever that believe on something is already convinced on what he/she believed on, trying to forced yourself with your idea is like trying to take away it's right or freedom which don't always end well with such individual having such intension.but come to think of it every man know  there calling as carrier or talent which brings food to your table where your work have turn charity what else will you feed on, I think working for God should be of voluntary to avoid murmur which not scripturally accepted.

[Kelward]

Dis topic don really provoke some of our naija people Wella, unto say dem reason say religious matters like dis no belong for dis forum, but make dem no vex, na politics and society section be dis and I believe say person fit to share wetin concern dem society for dis section of di board. For di matter wey the OP talk about, I reason say e de wrong for a pastor to say person wey de work for church and collect pay go de poor, anyway dat na im personal opinion and e no get anything to do with Christianity. So na wetin dem come de take tithe and offerings de do? Maybe to enrich only dem pocket, while others wey de do church work with dem no go collect any share, very unfair. Make christians try to de research for di Bible weda wetin dem pastors de tell den na true or lie, di Bible even encourage us to de crosscheck anything wey dem tell us inside the bible, weda na so e be or not.

Apologies to members that don't understand Nigerian, pidgin English.

[passwordnow]

I'll speak based on what I think, on my own opinion about this matter. There are churches that are happy when there are volunteer workers presenting themselves to do some church jobs and they're not asking for anything in return. And this is based on how they are happy serving the church and this is how they return the goodness of the Lord to where they're attending the church service.

We've got different understanding with what the verses says. I agree about that verse on Timothy that labourers are worthy of reward. But it's a case to case basis when you have been in the church and you understand the situation of them like in financial matter and they're not that much in abundance since it's either they're small and have got few members. Whatever is given to you should be grateful whether it's in the form of food, money or any kind of reward.

It's more of appreciation that you've been remembered and your labor out of your good will has been rewarded. Being full time is a different thing and I know the struggles of them. While people think that many pastors are making themselves fat with their tithes and money from their members. Those that are real with their service, you see them that they're generous to everyone especially their members whether they're working part time and being used for church services, full time or just casual church goers.

[Ruttoshi]

Please my brothers, this is a general board discussion and I don't know why Nigerians are responding in their local language. If you want to use your local language, then you can go to your local board and not on this.

Back to the topic, if you decide to work on your own free will, then you are free not to accept payment. Also it all boils down to the kind of work that one will get paid for in the church. If you are in the administrative section, that you go there everyday to carry out your duties, you are supposed to be paid. However, it depends on you and the head of the church agreement. From what I understand all pastors heading a branch is been paid only if they don't want to accept the payment. If you voluntarily go and be cleaning the church everyday to keep it neat, your reward will be in God's hand and it will be greater than the payment anyone will give to you.

The security people should be paid, if the church has an office and the pastor is always there to counsel people, then the pastor and his secretary should be paid, and any other vital position should receive payment.

[Dunamisx]

Things like this happening are part of what other people believe that church are for buso now, we cannot even afford to render some personal sacrifices to the creator of our souls, everyone is being paid, honorarium that is being given in appreciation has now turned to rights that everyone will place demands on what he wants to be paid for rendering a service to the church.

[Zanab247]

Op, if you look around this discussion platform very well, you so purpose know that we discuss anything that related to politics and society but bring church things in this platform, it will make people not to be happy with you because, we have Christian, Muslim and other regions in this platform which everybody feel his own region is the best and, if you are bringing your region into the platform, it will make you feel bad with some kind respond you will get from people.

What are you expecting the pastor to tell his members and, if you understand the holy bible very well, you will no that serving God is not by force and if you are not comfortable with the man of God preaching you can leave the church, but don't go to church because of money if truly you are a genuine Christian.