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February 05, 2024, 12:38:09 AM |
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I'm quite confident that these Logan Paul matches are fixed as well. I mean I know the guy isn't fighting real fighters. It's always either a guy from the UFC who's putting on boxing gloves, or some old fighter or whatever. His new bout is against some fighter that I read hasn't fought it over 6 years.
I appreciate you pointing out the bs though with fixed matches in general!
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February 05, 2024, 01:04:42 AM |
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This is one of the easiest scams to be executed, as little creative is needed from scammers, besides zero costs, therefore it's not a surprise they are so popular and are targeting lots of people who watch sports matches and want to make some easy and fast money.
Anyone can predict any matches' results as they wish and tell everyone else they had access to inside informations, so their predictions are accurate and guaranteed for that reason. If the predictions are made over minor leagues' matches, then the scam looks even more legit, because such leagues are well known for fixed results and inconsistent results.
In my opinion the best way to avoid being scammed is to avoid fixed matches. Don't try being clever to take advantage of a scam (the hypothetical fixed game itself), because you might be the one who will end being scammed after all...
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February 05, 2024, 04:49:37 AM Last edit: February 07, 2024, 07:07:13 AM by TravelMug |
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It is alarming that this kind of fraud targets sports fans on social media sites like Facebook and Instagram. To trick people into falling for their scams, con artists frequently take advantage of the popularity of sports and athletes. In order for victims of the fraud to join Telegram communities or use suggested bookies, insider knowledge regarding manipulated matches is promised. The matches that are mentioned could not even exist, and the information supplied is frequently fake. The victims deposit money into bookmakers that are recommended to them, only to discover that they are unable to withdraw it. It's critical that people exercise caution while falling for these types of frauds and stay away from dubious offers or adverts that promise winnings in sports betting. It is possible to guard against falling for these clever methods by remaining sceptical and informed.
Just to be fair though, everything is being targeted by scammers, as they are everywhere. And they are smart, they know that there are a lot of money to be made in this sports betting as people are willing to bet hundreds and hundreds. And so they created this Telegram communities to look for victims. Unfortunately, there are still gullible sports bettors who still fell for it as they just randomly believed that it's genuine and this scammers can fixed games in order to make a lot of money. So extreme caution is needed from us and maybe we can report it to Telegram and hopefully they can take actions and ban those accounts in their platform and to stop gamblers losing their money to this criminals. Just put a bet on legitimate crypto of fiat websites and we will all be good.
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February 05, 2024, 05:06:25 AM |
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In my opinion the best way to avoid being scammed is to avoid fixed matches. Don't try being clever to take advantage of a scam (the hypothetical fixed game itself), because you might be the one who will end being scammed after all...
This is a good advice. As it is said, a word is enough for the wise. Most gamblers out of frustration go online to search for sites that can offer fixed matches without knowing that they are giving themselves out to be easily scammed. Searching for fixed matches creates more problems for the gambler than it solves. I have always advised gamblers around me that there is nothing like a fixed match. Even though it exists, you cannot have access to it. Fixed matches are not open to the public because of the sanctions the team or players involved get. It is done with utmost secrecy and with few persons. Sometimes, when a particular match is widely staked by so many gamblers and it won, the game is been investigated to know if it was fixed. So, when we look at the check involved in match-fixing, it becomes clearer why we shouldn`t hope to get fixed matches. We don`t need fixed matches to make money through gambling. What matters is strategy. Even though no strategy can guarantee 100% winning with a good strategy losses can be controlled. Only ignorance and greed will make a gambler feel that he will win all the time because the nature of gambling speaks volumes already on the impossible of always winning.
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February 05, 2024, 05:38:10 AM |
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I am pretty sure if someone knew a match was fixed, he wouldn't make it public information. Why would he do it at all? He could just gamble and win millions without getting caught. But as we all know, fixed matches are mostly fake. Some people especially on Facebook, posts different results of future matches - but makes posts private. After results come, they make winning bet visible/public. Those are all baits to pull people to telegram channels and scam more.
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February 05, 2024, 07:06:03 AM |
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When it comes to promoting fixed matches, 99.99% are scams. I'm saving a very limit percentage only because we actually are not entirely aware of negotiations under the table between promotions, players, and teams. And there were in fact times when post-game investigations found out that the games indeed were fixed. But that isn't the case with all these social media promotions of fixed matches. They're all fake. If a game is fixed, the word wouldn't spread out in the open. Nobody should take these offers seriously.
Definitely, there's no way that they're going to let in some poor stranger in on such a big scheme because most match fixing are mostly created by a group of people that are supposed to be secret because they can be sanctioned or worse, penalized and they can't really risk telling that to an outsider because most of the time, the investigations in match fixing is pretty much successful and they're really good at uprooting the people behind the scandal. Totally with you that no one should take the offer seriously because they're most likely going to be a scam and it's going to be extra hurtful to get scammed with this one because you're thinking that you're going to get a big win but then you got hoodwinked.
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February 05, 2024, 07:50:56 AM |
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Is there an option to report Ads on Facebook and Instagram? I'm asking this because I've deleted my Facebook and Instagram Ads several years ago. I'm sure that there must be an option to report ads, that are promoting sketchy products and services. Gambling ads shouldn't be allowed on big social media platforms. Why would anyone deposit money on a shady, obscure sports betting platform, without checking the reviews and feedback about that platform? Such scams will continue to exist, as long as there are greedy and gullible people, who are falling for this sh&t.
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February 05, 2024, 08:14:02 AM |
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Anyone can predict any matches' results as they wish and tell everyone else they had access to inside informations, so their predictions are accurate and guaranteed for that reason. If the predictions are made over minor leagues' matches, then the scam looks even more legit, because such leagues are well known for fixed results and inconsistent results.
In my opinion the best way to avoid being scammed is to avoid fixed matches. Don't try being clever to take advantage of a scam (the hypothetical fixed game itself), because you might be the one who will end being scammed after all...
The people who are deceived by fixed matches are those who want to get rich from gambling. That's logical. Because when the person feels he knows the final result of the match, he will bet a lot of money to get double profits. And that's the kind of psychology that scammers take advantage of. They rely on their creativity to trap and convince people that they have leaked information from trusted sources. I think rich people or people who don't want to make gambling a source of income will not be affected by it because what is important for them is to feel the adrenaline rush of betting something on a team's victory.
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February 05, 2024, 10:43:04 AM |
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When it comes to promoting fixed matches, 99.99% are scams. I'm saving a very limit percentage only because we actually are not entirely aware of negotiations under the table between promotions, players, and teams. And there were in fact times when post-game investigations found out that the games indeed were fixed. But that isn't the case with all these social media promotions of fixed matches. They're all fake. If a game is fixed, the word wouldn't spread out in the open. Nobody should take these offers seriously.
Definitely, there's no way that they're going to let in some poor stranger in on such a big scheme because most match fixing are mostly created by a group of people that are supposed to be secret because they can be sanctioned or worse, penalized and they can't really risk telling that to an outsider because most of the time, the investigations in match fixing is pretty much successful and they're really good at uprooting the people behind the scandal. Totally with you that no one should take the offer seriously because they're most likely going to be a scam and it's going to be extra hurtful to get scammed with this one because you're thinking that you're going to get a big win but then you got hoodwinked. You are right, if it's a real match fixing the amount of money that will be in stake is very huge those who are facilatating those kind of event will never reveal what's going to happen, they will not share that knowing that it can be ruined or like what you said they might be caught and for sure sanctioned will be serve. Those who are offering a fixed match will just scam you, if by chance they find some luck that the pick will win it doesn'e mean that they will continue that winning streak time will come and you'll be busted and you'll find yourself regretting that you believe and follow those kind of offers.
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February 05, 2024, 11:12:48 AM |
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When it comes to promoting fixed matches, 99.99% are scams. I'm saving a very limit percentage only because we actually are not entirely aware of negotiations under the table between promotions, players, and teams. And there were in fact times when post-game investigations found out that the games indeed were fixed. But that isn't the case with all these social media promotions of fixed matches. They're all fake. If a game is fixed, the word wouldn't spread out in the open. Nobody should take these offers seriously.
Definitely, there's no way that they're going to let in some poor stranger in on such a big scheme because most match fixing are mostly created by a group of people that are supposed to be secret because they can be sanctioned or worse, penalized and they can't really risk telling that to an outsider because most of the time, the investigations in match fixing is pretty much successful and they're really good at uprooting the people behind the scandal. Totally with you that no one should take the offer seriously because they're most likely going to be a scam and it's going to be extra hurtful to get scammed with this one because you're thinking that you're going to get a big win but then you got hoodwinked. You are right, if it's a real match fixing the amount of money that will be in stake is very huge those who are facilatating those kind of event will never reveal what's going to happen, they will not share that knowing that it can be ruined or like what you said they might be caught and for sure sanctioned will be serve. Those who are offering a fixed match will just scam you, if by chance they find some luck that the pick will win it doesn'e mean that they will continue that winning streak time will come and you'll be busted and you'll find yourself regretting that you believe and follow those kind of offers. One of many reason why its hard to believe those people claiming something that they can do such fix matching on certain leagues and we know how to organize this one since it need a lot of money to spend before they could make this to happen and I believe no teams will risk their reputation for small amount of money that's why I always believe thay someone claiming they can do it and ask money for tips they give for sure this is obviously a scam. We should start to ignore these crazy claims told by people who want to take advantage on the situation and we should know how we can determine on who are the team have good chance to win. Research is important and we don't need any predictions of other people here.
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February 05, 2024, 01:17:54 PM |
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Anyone can predict any matches' results as they wish and tell everyone else they had access to inside informations, so their predictions are accurate and guaranteed for that reason. If the predictions are made over minor leagues' matches, then the scam looks even more legit, because such leagues are well known for fixed results and inconsistent results.
In my opinion the best way to avoid being scammed is to avoid fixed matches. Don't try being clever to take advantage of a scam (the hypothetical fixed game itself), because you might be the one who will end being scammed after all...
The people who are deceived by fixed matches are those who want to get rich from gambling. That's logical. Because when the person feels he knows the final result of the match, he will bet a lot of money to get double profits. And that's the kind of psychology that scammers take advantage of. They rely on their creativity to trap and convince people that they have leaked information from trusted sources. Victims are most of the time those who are seeking for a shortcut to being rich and gambling does not work that way. Well, you could have advantage over other players such as with fixed matches or having access with such feat. However, would it be that easy? Most of the time, those people or gamblers who are inside a match fixing groups are rich ones already or simply with exclusivity. Now if you are a norma gambler and you dream of such privilege, then establish yourself first and do not settle with small match signal groups 'coz there's a higher risk that they will just take advantage of your eagerness to 'easily' win. Just gamble as you should be, if you want assured or less risky profit, engage with businesses and investments rather. I don't want to access such feat in this industry. Eversince I got here, I am aware that losing will always be a part of the game and it makes gambling a beautiful activity, like the 'art' itself in the concept. You are not really taking a gamble if you are haing such advantage over other bettors 'coz you are simply just cheating. Imagine how many people have lost huge amount of money and still ended up with nothing. Have at lest some respect to their effort of being fair and just testing their luck. Cheating will never be validated by anything even if it is money. If you are not gambling, then you are cheating. If you are cheating, then you are being unfair. If you are being unfair, then what's the point of doing so?
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Is there an option to report Ads on Facebook and Instagram? I'm asking this because I've deleted my Facebook and Instagram Ads several years ago. I'm sure that there must be an option to report ads, that are promoting sketchy products and services. Gambling ads shouldn't be allowed on big social media platforms. Why would anyone deposit money on a shady, obscure sports betting platform, without checking the reviews and feedback about that platform? Such scams will continue to exist, as long as there are greedy and gullible people, who are falling for this sh&t.
Yes. 1. https://support.google.com/ads/troubleshooter/45785072. https://web.facebook.com/business/help/487269218011981Actually Meta allows gambling ads, as long as the casino is regulated and it's promoted on a country where gambling is legal. However even they can take down many gambling ads, there are still a lot users will advertise gambling because they can run a bot or using other way to stay undetected.
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Before falling prey to such scams we need to know everything well. Match fixing scams are more often they lure you with various types of information from different sites then you should understand that these are scams. A good site does not require match fixing to play safely. Match fixing can't keep it up for long and will be leaked so try to assess your losses. Avoid investing money in any such site after knowing the scam.
We may not know whether the match has been arranged or is running normally because we are just watching or only placing bets on that match. Trusted casino sites will not fix matches, and they will always provide the best for their gamblers to get the best experience when they gamble on the site. To avoid scam casino sites, you don't need to try to deposit money on a gambling site directed by someone you don't know, even if he is a streamer who has many followers. You can search for sports betting sites yourself, even from this forum, you can find many trusted sports betting sites so you can place bets on these sites. Well I don't know how reliable it is when it come to the information of fixed games because the last time I can remember these games are not played by controlled robots which could be said of them that they were programed to produce such results at such times so I really do find it difficult to believe in fixed matches since humans are the once playing such games. If one understands sports games so we'll then the issues of fixed game will be something then we wouldn't be brotherd so much about and think of placing our money on such to the point you get scammed, I also wonder why would you want to get involved with a third part to able to fund your gambling wallet as it doesn't sound reasonable to me because why wouldn't you just go ahead on the site and explore various funding options and pick that which suits you and fund your wallet then go ahead and bet rather than involving a third-party that can get you scammed, that's too risky. Even if it's a streamer, always make sure to fund on the site directly.
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Oh yeah, fake fixed matches. I've never been scammed like this but I hear that this has been going around, but what would you expect? My father got a call once from a guy who claimed to be a police officer and he told him that his house is being targeted by burglars and that he should take all the cash he has at home and take it to a bank. The fake police man was most likely hiding somewhere along the street, watching the house with his friends, waiting for my father to walk out with the money. He didn't fall for it, but I've read that some woman in my town did. Watch out for scammers guys. It's much easier to sell a fake fixed match than really fix it and the amount of scammers and thieves in the last few years has increased, probably due to inflation and financial problems people are facing.
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February 05, 2024, 03:15:15 PM |
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This is a good advice. As it is said, a word is enough for the wise. Most gamblers out of frustration go online to search for sites that can offer fixed matches without knowing that they are giving themselves out to be easily scammed. Searching for fixed matches creates more problems for the gambler than it solves. I have always advised gamblers around me that there is nothing like a fixed match. Even though it exists, you cannot have access to it. Fixed matches are not open to the public because of the sanctions the team or players involved get. It is done with utmost secrecy and with few persons. Sometimes, when a particular match is widely staked by so many gamblers and it won, the game is been investigated to know if it was fixed.
The fixed matches is the trick used by the hosting people,because they spread about the fake fixing matches in the society.So the people who want to make money will believe their words,when the trust was made.The gamblers use to bet the maximum amount of dollars based on the potential,but the fake fixed matches will get all in from the gamblers.Many fake match fixing bookies do this fake spread about the matches.We should bet based on our knowledge in the game,because the knowledge is only key to get escape from the fake match fixing in the society.The fake match fixing was the scam one but the real match fixing will give us the huge money.
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February 05, 2024, 03:24:33 PM |
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~ What's the catch? Well... This match doesn't exist. Perhaps the teams will sound a little plausible, but then they will say [U23], which means that you can't bet on such a match anywhere. The whole allure of this scam is to actually put your money in THEIR recommended bookmaker because it's going to be the only one accepting bets on this otherwise fictional match. And then you'll be met with the harsh reality that this bookmaker only actually takes deposits, no withdrawals! ~
I can't help but admit that this is a very clever scam. This reminded me of a story where a couple of years ago someone created a fake cricket league in India where actors played the roles of players, and scammers collected bets on the outcomes of such staged games. In such stories, besides the ingenuity of the scammers, what also surprises me is that there are always people who fall for such nonsense, although minimal research should have turned them away from interacting with such shady companies.
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~ What's the catch? Well... This match doesn't exist. Perhaps the teams will sound a little plausible, but then they will say [U23], which means that you can't bet on such a match anywhere. The whole allure of this scam is to actually put your money in THEIR recommended bookmaker because it's going to be the only one accepting bets on this otherwise fictional match. And then you'll be met with the harsh reality that this bookmaker only actually takes deposits, no withdrawals! ~
I can't help but admit that this is a very clever scam. This reminded me of a story where a couple of years ago someone created a fake cricket league in India where actors played the roles of players, and scammers collected bets on the outcomes of such staged games. In such stories, besides the ingenuity of the scammers, what also surprises me is that there are always people who fall for such nonsense, although minimal research should have turned them away from interacting with such shady companies. a simple search will give you idea if the match really exists or not. so if the user will fall on this scam, it means, the user failed to do a simple search over the net and just believe what the scammers are telling him, which is clearly ignorance of the user. if you don't want to be a victim of this scam, why not - > at least do your part of searching those matches over the net > search the bookie if it exists, because one hit of search button will give you tons of list > do yourself a favour, the use of search button is free and will save you from headache > did i just say, hit the search button? i guess, those who will be a victim on this clear scam act are those bettors who don't even know the sports they are betting with. how can you so gullible on this, if you just basically believe for what the stranger is telling you to do so?
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Truly that fixed matches scam is very common among telegram users, I can't imagine how people fell to this simple trick of scam, how can I get some fictitious scores from anonymous individuals telling me to pay some money for some fixed matches honestly that is a red flag to me I can never subscribe to that type of channel because I knew from onset is a scam infact majority of the telegram fixed matches providers do ask for upfront payment before they release those fixtures I believe that is blatant lie of course some of after receiving payment they consequently blocked their subscribers or release a fake fixture saying it's a sure one.
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February 05, 2024, 04:51:12 PM |
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Truly that fixed matches scam is very common among telegram users, I can't imagine how people fell to this simple trick of scam, how can I get some fictitious scores from anonymous individuals telling me to pay some money for some fixed matches honestly that is a red flag to me I can never subscribe to that type of channel because I knew from onset is a scam infact majority of the telegram fixed matches providers do ask for upfront payment before they release those fixtures I believe that is blatant lie of course some of after receiving payment they consequently blocked their subscribers or release a fake fixture saying it's a sure one.
Sure, that is the most common and simple scheme, the one you described there. But even if there are some red flaga to be cautious about one must be aware about the existence of even more complex waits to scam people looking for information about alledged fixed matches. For example, the scammers could try to create two betting groups at the same time with as much people as possible. They would claim to be experts at predicting matches and will offer their first prediction to be free and the next one to be for those who pay. When all it is settled they select a match and give a prediction in one of the groups and a different one in the other one, regardless of the result in the match, people in one of those Telegram groups will be convinced about the grade of professionalism and skill the moderators have to make money off sport bets, all it is left for the scammers is to collect the money and then disappear. In this example, since they already provided alledged proof of their accuracy of their predictions, they are more likely to scam more money off their victims, since more of them will fall for their own greed.
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Sounds a bit like phishing, most emails will find even me believing it plausible if you catch me at midnight half asleep reading it. With gambling always start off playing to see the result, you put down a token and you observe the outcome your involvement is to learn and gain experience and so this light playing is always going to be a genuine win as you will build yourself up for future full betting. Don't start off with full betting, don't dive into the deep end & remember its a game and every game you must learn all the rules written and unwritten. The no withdrawal problem is not so rare, again start cautious and be careful. Bet, win or lose and then withdraw only when you've done this a while can you be more sure that the money isnt one way. I'm not a giant bettor and I've seen the withdrawal problem or quite deliberate scam occur, you have to presume you will encounter it in your 'career'. There is a worth to the long term betting houses, they got reputations to uphold so anyone new should be biased to the oldest companies imo as it has a worth in degree of long term operation and security that has been part of the scene for years.
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